From jayf401 at gmail.com  Sun May  1 13:47:42 2022
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 13:47:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Headstay Dimension
Message-ID: <09057088-BF0A-4F4F-9C32-4BFD14AF5033@gmail.com>

Folks,
I needed to replace my headstay but neglected to get even an approximate pin to pin dimension from the pieces. Mine is the IMF w/ CDI furler (FF2). I?ve seen various measurements from 26.98? to 27? 10-1/4?, and I may have missed something more definitive. Watched Peter?s video but no mention of pin to pin dim.

Any assistance along these lines would be very helpful. 

Thanks,
Jay Friedland
S/V Wanderlust, ?97



From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Sun May  1 19:27:20 2022
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 16:27:20 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Headstay Dimension
In-Reply-To: <09057088-BF0A-4F4F-9C32-4BFD14AF5033@gmail.com>
References: <09057088-BF0A-4F4F-9C32-4BFD14AF5033@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuMc97NaS_mC5q=CHG9c3dTHH4aHfOu-UaADAoFF0AmDVg@mail.gmail.com>

Is pin to pin dim same for IMF with GB fuller? Roger gave measurement for
GB fuller w/o IMF some time ago I believe.

Cheers,

Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo

On Sun, May 1, 2022, 10:47 AM Jay Friedland <jayf401 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks,
> I needed to replace my headstay but neglected to get even an approximate
> pin to pin dimension from the pieces. Mine is the IMF w/ CDI furler (FF2).
> I?ve seen various measurements from 26.98? to 27? 10-1/4?, and I may have
> missed something more definitive. Watched Peter?s video but no mention of
> pin to pin dim.
>
> Any assistance along these lines would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> Jay Friedland
> S/V Wanderlust, ?97
>
>
>

From jayf401 at gmail.com  Sun May  1 19:58:39 2022
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 19:58:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Headstay Dimension
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuMc97NaS_mC5q=CHG9c3dTHH4aHfOu-UaADAoFF0AmDVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <09057088-BF0A-4F4F-9C32-4BFD14AF5033@gmail.com>
 <CAMzGxuMc97NaS_mC5q=CHG9c3dTHH4aHfOu-UaADAoFF0AmDVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6C0B36C7-A0E6-49CA-9250-EC6DBEE10B9C@gmail.com>

Shawn,
I believe there are differences with the standard rigging & the IMF, and even which furler system is used. Roger had 27? 9-5/8? w/ the Harken furler, and he didn?t seem sure of what the diff. would be. I?ll see what response I get back for the IMF.

Thanks,
Jay 
S/V Wanderlust               

> On May 1, 2022, at 7:27 PM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is pin to pin dim same for IMF with GB fuller? Roger gave measurement for
> GB fuller w/o IMF some time ago I believe.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
> 
> On Sun, May 1, 2022, 10:47 AM Jay Friedland <jayf401 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Folks,
>> I needed to replace my headstay but neglected to get even an approximate
>> pin to pin dimension from the pieces. Mine is the IMF w/ CDI furler (FF2).
>> I?ve seen various measurements from 26.98? to 27? 10-1/4?, and I may have
>> missed something more definitive. Watched Peter?s video but no mention of
>> pin to pin dim.
>> 
>> Any assistance along these lines would be very helpful.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jay Friedland
>> S/V Wanderlust, ?97
>> 
>> 
>> 


From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Sun May  1 19:59:06 2022
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 18:59:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
Message-ID: <CANbEFCu3OtEGLuaAaOu4UUHLnCAWSTbLxsO4OD_vkgm+MLm0EA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the list, but
are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning them?and getting
them back on again?

Many thanks,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake

From rweiss at siu.edu  Sun May  1 20:03:37 2022
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 00:03:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCu3OtEGLuaAaOu4UUHLnCAWSTbLxsO4OD_vkgm+MLm0EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCu3OtEGLuaAaOu4UUHLnCAWSTbLxsO4OD_vkgm+MLm0EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH0PR07MB837879821541824F19C8D229C6C19@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?  I just removed the covers on my cabin cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They were challenging to get back on, but not impossible.  My cockpit cushions I just scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.

Bob
Beach Spring

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
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Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions

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Hello everyone,

Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the list, but
are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning them?and getting
them back on again?

Many thanks,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Sun May  1 21:41:37 2022
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 20:41:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB837879821541824F19C8D229C6C19@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CANbEFCu3OtEGLuaAaOu4UUHLnCAWSTbLxsO4OD_vkgm+MLm0EA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CH0PR07MB837879821541824F19C8D229C6C19@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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The cockpit cushions.  There are some stains that normal scrubbing.  Has
anyone taken the cockpit cushions out and wash the covers?

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:03 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?  I just removed the covers on my cabin
> cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They were
> challenging to get back on, but not impossible.  My cockpit cushions I just
> scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.
>
> Bob
> Beach Spring
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the list, but
> are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning them?and getting
> them back on again?
>
> Many thanks,
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower II
> White Bear Lake
>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun May  1 21:59:59 2022
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 21:59:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCvpX1zDzFibDNuKWKvCUaRFVuKtkQ5Cmbq6B0JmgT17cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCu3OtEGLuaAaOu4UUHLnCAWSTbLxsO4OD_vkgm+MLm0EA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CH0PR07MB837879821541824F19C8D229C6C19@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CANbEFCvpX1zDzFibDNuKWKvCUaRFVuKtkQ5Cmbq6B0JmgT17cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0729c11-9d1f-20f3-fc85-cb5171f55cc2@atlanticbb.net>

If they are the original cockpit cushions they are most likely Phifertex 
over closed cell foam. The cushions should be zippered so you can get 
the covers off.

You could try mild soap and water and a soft scrub brush. If that 
doesn't work, I seem to remember Rose Spitzer cleaning cushion covers 
with a bleach mixture and a garden hose.

I found a couple of items with a Google search that might help.
https://www.trivantage.com/itemfiles/pdfs/cleaning/AwnTex_Cleaning.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpUZhodOiw

Don't leave any cleaner on the vinyl meash for a long period of time and 
try not to use any petroleum product. You don't want to soften the vinyl.

Best of luck,
Mary Lou




On 5/1/2022 9:41 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> The cockpit cushions.  There are some stains that normal scrubbing.  Has
> anyone taken the cockpit cushions out and wash the covers?
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:03 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?  I just removed the covers on my cabin
>> cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They were
>> challenging to get back on, but not impossible.  My cockpit cushions I just
>> scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.
>>
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>>
>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>> Director of Music
>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
>>
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the list, but
>> are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning them?and getting
>> them back on again?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower II
>> White Bear Lake
>>


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From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Sun May  1 22:11:17 2022
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 21:11:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
In-Reply-To: <d0729c11-9d1f-20f3-fc85-cb5171f55cc2@atlanticbb.net>
References: <CANbEFCu3OtEGLuaAaOu4UUHLnCAWSTbLxsO4OD_vkgm+MLm0EA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CH0PR07MB837879821541824F19C8D229C6C19@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CANbEFCvpX1zDzFibDNuKWKvCUaRFVuKtkQ5Cmbq6B0JmgT17cw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d0729c11-9d1f-20f3-fc85-cb5171f55cc2@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <CANbEFCv-R=_98K7pDiVtb5x3NQnQsyYBYp861HQEg18jtizNMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mary Lou, do you have any trouble getting them back on once they?ve
dried?

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 9:00 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> If they are the original cockpit cushions they are most likely Phifertex
> over closed cell foam. The cushions should be zippered so you can get
> the covers off.
>
> You could try mild soap and water and a soft scrub brush. If that
> doesn't work, I seem to remember Rose Spitzer cleaning cushion covers
> with a bleach mixture and a garden hose.
>
> I found a couple of items with a Google search that might help.
> https://www.trivantage.com/itemfiles/pdfs/cleaning/AwnTex_Cleaning.pdf
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpUZhodOiw
>
> Don't leave any cleaner on the vinyl meash for a long period of time and
> try not to use any petroleum product. You don't want to soften the vinyl.
>
> Best of luck,
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
>
> On 5/1/2022 9:41 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > The cockpit cushions.  There are some stains that normal scrubbing.  Has
> > anyone taken the cockpit cushions out and wash the covers?
> >
> > On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:03 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?  I just removed the covers on my cabin
> >> cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They were
> >> challenging to get back on, but not impossible.  My cockpit cushions I
> just
> >> scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >> Beach Spring
> >>
> >> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> >> Director of Music
> >> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> >> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
> >>
> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or
> attachments.
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the list,
> but
> >> are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning them?and
> getting
> >> them back on again?
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> Matt Wilson
> >> Hornblower II
> >> White Bear Lake
> >>
>
>
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun May  1 22:46:27 2022
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 22:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCv-R=_98K7pDiVtb5x3NQnQsyYBYp861HQEg18jtizNMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCu3OtEGLuaAaOu4UUHLnCAWSTbLxsO4OD_vkgm+MLm0EA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CH0PR07MB837879821541824F19C8D229C6C19@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CANbEFCvpX1zDzFibDNuKWKvCUaRFVuKtkQ5Cmbq6B0JmgT17cw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d0729c11-9d1f-20f3-fc85-cb5171f55cc2@atlanticbb.net>
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Message-ID: <c6f9d1d7-eff5-a798-3dd4-39d87ab4c31e@atlanticbb.net>

Ours were a bright blue and I'm not sure we ever had the covers off - 
mostly just rinsed them when needed. I vaguely remember and incident 
with a glass of red wine that required removing a cover. I don't recall 
any difficulty getting it back on. They don't stretch of shrink.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF 246



On 5/1/2022 10:11 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> Thanks Mary Lou, do you have any trouble getting them back on once they?ve
> dried?
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 9:00 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>
>> If they are the original cockpit cushions they are most likely Phifertex
>> over closed cell foam. The cushions should be zippered so you can get
>> the covers off.
>>
>> You could try mild soap and water and a soft scrub brush. If that
>> doesn't work, I seem to remember Rose Spitzer cleaning cushion covers
>> with a bleach mixture and a garden hose.
>>
>> I found a couple of items with a Google search that might help.
>> https://www.trivantage.com/itemfiles/pdfs/cleaning/AwnTex_Cleaning.pdf
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpUZhodOiw
>>
>> Don't leave any cleaner on the vinyl meash for a long period of time and
>> try not to use any petroleum product. You don't want to soften the vinyl.
>>
>> Best of luck,
>> Mary Lou
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/1/2022 9:41 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
>>> The cockpit cushions.  There are some stains that normal scrubbing.  Has
>>> anyone taken the cockpit cushions out and wash the covers?
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:03 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?  I just removed the covers on my cabin
>>>> cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They were
>>>> challenging to get back on, but not impossible.  My cockpit cushions I
>> just
>>>> scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>> Beach Spring
>>>>
>>>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>>>> Director of Music
>>>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
>>>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
>>>>
>>>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or
>> attachments.
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the list,
>> but
>>>> are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning them?and
>> getting
>>>> them back on again?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>> Hornblower II
>>>> White Bear Lake
>>>>
>>
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Mon May  2 05:53:01 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 05:53:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing Cockpit Cushions
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmk9u4A1NFWJBHvtbty0E_+KFmSsz7W5fbiW4K0DONmjPQ@mail.gmail.com>

My cushions are a mesh over closed cell foam which was stained in places. I
used Fantastic with bleach and scrubbed them with a deck brush., allowed to
sit for half an hour and then rinsed with a garden hose. Stains gone and no
harm to cushions.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon May  2 11:44:56 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 15:44:56 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmmyENYjVXUc65VkDjHsMLrAHuS8_ggGEatP-3+DMFZhjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmyENYjVXUc65VkDjHsMLrAHuS8_ggGEatP-3+DMFZhjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB69858EB16FE92A05539F5726C1C19@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Jeff,
How did you find those parts on Dwyer's web site?  I looked and I can find any of those listed. 

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jeff Smith Photo
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2022 1:33 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure

The always helpful Peter Nyberg has an excellent either video or post about ordering beefed up gooseneck parts from Dwyer Masts. I installed them last Fall and what a difference. Here is my order:
DH 3143  - U-Bracket
2 Ordered @     $7.42/ea
Item Total - $14.84

CR1      - Rigging ring, 3/4"
2 Ordered @     $0.50/ea
Item Total - $1.00

CLP-4-0.984      - Clevis Pin
2 Ordered @     $2.72/ea
Item Total - $5.44

DH 334   - Heavy Duty Universal
1 Ordered @     $14.42/ea
Item Total - $14.42
The clevis pins were mislabeled in their catalog and proved to be 1/8"
short.  Dwyer promptly sent the correct length.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu%7Ce9c8419309484d66fd2808da2acf8b6f%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C637869369929227476%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Q0Z3O3tYuwK58pn1Itn9nR631TQvoSvVsj3FBU60j%2B4%3D&amp;reserved=0
732-236-1368

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon May  2 13:28:45 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 13:28:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCu3OtEGLuaAaOu4UUHLnCAWSTbLxsO4OD_vkgm+MLm0EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCu3OtEGLuaAaOu4UUHLnCAWSTbLxsO4OD_vkgm+MLm0EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Zzc8xTJ2o-Wf=i6yOn5vPPFxPU-t+5kq7FrSXutrbtdA@mail.gmail.com>

I use a power washer while I'm doing the topsides of the boat.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:59 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the list, but
> are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning them?and getting
> them back on again?
>
> Many thanks,
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower II
> White Bear Lake
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon May  2 13:34:53 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 13:34:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
In-Reply-To: <d0729c11-9d1f-20f3-fc85-cb5171f55cc2@atlanticbb.net>
References: <CANbEFCu3OtEGLuaAaOu4UUHLnCAWSTbLxsO4OD_vkgm+MLm0EA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CANbEFCvpX1zDzFibDNuKWKvCUaRFVuKtkQ5Cmbq6B0JmgT17cw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d0729c11-9d1f-20f3-fc85-cb5171f55cc2@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <002001d85e4a$efcf7110$cf6e5330$@ebsmed.com>

I've washed my cockpit cushions with various cleansers but the best cleaning resulted from letting them float in my chlorinated swimming pool for a day or two. Flip them over once in a while. Use them as floats while in the pool.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 10:00 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions

If they are the original cockpit cushions they are most likely Phifertex over closed cell foam. The cushions should be zippered so you can get the covers off.

You could try mild soap and water and a soft scrub brush. If that doesn't work, I seem to remember Rose Spitzer cleaning cushion covers with a bleach mixture and a garden hose.

I found a couple of items with a Google search that might help.
https://www.trivantage.com/itemfiles/pdfs/cleaning/AwnTex_Cleaning.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpUZhodOiw

Don't leave any cleaner on the vinyl meash for a long period of time and try not to use any petroleum product. You don't want to soften the vinyl.

Best of luck,
Mary Lou




On 5/1/2022 9:41 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> The cockpit cushions.  There are some stains that normal scrubbing.  
> Has anyone taken the cockpit cushions out and wash the covers?
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:03 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list < 
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?  I just removed the covers on my 
>> cabin cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They 
>> were challenging to get back on, but not impossible.  My cockpit 
>> cushions I just scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.
>>
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>>
>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>> Director of Music
>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of 
>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
>>
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the 
>> list, but are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning 
>> them?and getting them back on again?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower II
>> White Bear Lake
>>


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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Mon May  2 13:43:34 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 13:43:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmo7hs1ksPEQPmUKYTEidvfqjpyhrPMMt4bA=vyoUi47g@mail.gmail.com>

Here is Carson of Dwyer Masts when I sent him a pick of my twisted
gooseneck.

Oh Man, that's pretty buggered up. You'll need to U Brackets. What are the
bolt sizes going into mast and boom? You'll also need a gooseneck universal
DH316. Two ring dings, like CR2 and Two clevis pins CLP-4-111.



Thank you for your interest in Dwyer Mast and Rigging.



Regards,
Carson

The Dwyer Team

Dwyer Mast & Rigging

33 Broadcommon Rd Unit 1

Bristol RI, 02809
P - 203-484-0419
F - 203-484-2014

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon May  2 14:54:30 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 02 May 2022 11:54:30 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure
Message-ID: <E1nlbBm-00CKgk-33@s152.servername.online>

Rob,

Here's how to find the gooseneck parts I used for my repair:

1) go to www.dwyermast.com

2) click on 'Boom Extrusions and Fittings'

3) click on 'DM-275 Boom'

4) click on the image for 'DH 355-FHD Heavy Duty Fixed Gooseneck'

5) You should get a pop-up window with an exploded parts diagram with a parts list below it.  You may need to resize the window to see everything. You can use this window to create an order by filling in quantities.

The parts I used were:

    DH 3143 - U Bracket (2)
    CLP-4-111 - Clevis Pin (2)
    DH 334 - Heavy Duty Universal (1)

Other parts I sourced from McMaster-Carr.

These parts are more heavy duty than the ones that came with my boat.

All this and more is also in my video: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) 

 
> On 2022-05-02, at 11:44:56 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> How did you find those parts on Dwyer's web site?  I looked and I can find any 
> of those listed. 
> 
> Rob
> 
> 


From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon May  2 15:56:47 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 19:56:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmmo7hs1ksPEQPmUKYTEidvfqjpyhrPMMt4bA=vyoUi47g@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank for the info.  I wonder why they don't list them on the goosenecks page?

https://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=40&cat1Name=Hardware&familyID=17&familyName=Goosenecks

Guess it shows you need to contact the company directly for help sometimes.  

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jeff Smith Photo
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 1:44 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck

Here is Carson of Dwyer Masts when I sent him a pick of my twisted gooseneck.

Oh Man, that's pretty buggered up. You'll need to U Brackets. What are the bolt sizes going into mast and boom? You'll also need a gooseneck universal DH316. Two ring dings, like CR2 and Two clevis pins CLP-4-111.



Thank you for your interest in Dwyer Mast and Rigging.



Regards,
Carson

The Dwyer Team

Dwyer Mast & Rigging

33 Broadcommon Rd Unit 1

Bristol RI, 02809
P - 203-484-0419
F - 203-484-2014

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Mon May  2 16:02:10 2022
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 15:02:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
In-Reply-To: <002001d85e4a$efcf7110$cf6e5330$@ebsmed.com>
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Nice idea Mike...  Spring cushion party at your pool?

On Mon, May 2, 2022, 12:35 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> I've washed my cockpit cushions with various cleansers but the best
> cleaning resulted from letting them float in my chlorinated swimming pool
> for a day or two. Flip them over once in a while. Use them as floats while
> in the pool.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 10:00 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
>
> If they are the original cockpit cushions they are most likely Phifertex
> over closed cell foam. The cushions should be zippered so you can get the
> covers off.
>
> You could try mild soap and water and a soft scrub brush. If that doesn't
> work, I seem to remember Rose Spitzer cleaning cushion covers with a bleach
> mixture and a garden hose.
>
> I found a couple of items with a Google search that might help.
> https://www.trivantage.com/itemfiles/pdfs/cleaning/AwnTex_Cleaning.pdf
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpUZhodOiw
>
> Don't leave any cleaner on the vinyl meash for a long period of time and
> try not to use any petroleum product. You don't want to soften the vinyl.
>
> Best of luck,
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
>
> On 5/1/2022 9:41 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > The cockpit cushions.  There are some stains that normal scrubbing.
> > Has anyone taken the cockpit cushions out and wash the covers?
> >
> > On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:03 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?  I just removed the covers on my
> >> cabin cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They
> >> were challenging to get back on, but not impossible.  My cockpit
> >> cushions I just scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >> Beach Spring
> >>
> >> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> >> Director of Music
> >> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
> >>
> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or
> attachments.
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the
> >> list, but are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning
> >> them?and getting them back on again?
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> Matt Wilson
> >> Hornblower II
> >> White Bear Lake
> >>
>
>
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From chcarreon at cox.net  Fri May 13 16:10:15 2022
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 16:10:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hole size
In-Reply-To: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <825253715.820075.1652472615957@myemail.cox.net>

Hi All,
 Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair covered the original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does anyone have the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard? 

Thanks,
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath'86

From snstaum at gmail.com  Fri May 13 16:25:32 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 16:25:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hole size
In-Reply-To: <825253715.820075.1652472615957@myemail.cox.net>
References: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
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Are you talking about your rudder or centerboard?  I am confused about:
"rudder hole on a centerboard".

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:10 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
>  Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair covered the
> original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does anyone have
> the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard?
>
> Thanks,
> Chuy Carreon
> S/V AfterMath'86
>

From chcarreon at cox.net  Fri May 13 18:04:01 2022
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 18:04:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjfCwRrsk0_PT5m-nsFDr6mJqVo5pHQMDuwTUpLByy_PFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1239660225.828755.1652479441426@myemail.cox.net>

Sorry about previous email. Size of the Hole in the centerboard was my question. Thanks Stephen for noticing my error.

 Thanks,
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath'86


> On May 13, 2022 at 4:25 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Are you talking about your rudder or centerboard?  I am confused about:
> "rudder hole on a centerboard".
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:10 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> >  Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair covered the
> > original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does anyone have
> > the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chuy Carreon
> > S/V AfterMath'86
> >

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri May 13 22:08:34 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 22:08:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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Message-ID: <00d301d86737$84828c80$8d87a580$@ca>

Chy:

Are you referring to the hole for the pivot pin or the hole for the line? The hole for the pivot pin is determined by the pin - it should be very snug - while the hole for the line is just sufficient for the the line you are usng. I think some ket bit of information is missing. Perhaps a photo would help.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of chuy carreon
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 6:04 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Sorry about previous email. Size of the Hole in the centerboard was my question. Thanks Stephen for noticing my error.

 Thanks,
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath'86


> On May 13, 2022 at 4:25 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Are you talking about your rudder or centerboard?  I am confused about:
> "rudder hole on a centerboard".
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:10 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> >  Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair covered the
> > original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does anyone have
> > the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chuy Carreon
> > S/V AfterMath'86
> >


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri May 13 22:25:59 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 22:25:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
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For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.

While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I have attached a picture. 

The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many, not all,  of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario






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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri May 13 23:18:45 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 22:18:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
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Great job as usual, Graham.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 9:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the
> arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.
>
> While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned
> out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I
> have attached a picture.
>
> The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up
> easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many, not
> all,  of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat May 14 09:32:08 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 13:32:08 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard.  There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on.  Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant.  On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat May 14 10:54:38 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 14:54:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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Hi Graham,

Interesting windows on your dog house.  I?ve never seen a Rhodes 22 that didn?t have 3 separate ports.

My friend with the 42 ft LOA catamaran has a conventional mainsail with lazy jacks.  They work OK; but, you have to watch that the battens don?t get fouled going up or down.  I sailed the same boat before we installed the lazy jacks and that huge mainsail was a real bear to handle! The self flaking and self storing features of the lazy jacks are nice.  It helps if the helmsman can keep the boat pointed right into the eye of the wind.  The extra work associated with rigging/unrigging the lazy jacks is also a bit of a PITA.  My friend leaves his boat in the water all spring, summer, and fall.  In the winter, the mast stay up; but, the sails, boom, and lazy jacks all come down.  We?ve got rigging/unrigging it down to a system; but, it probably adds an extra 45 minutes each time.  Often, my Boy Scout Troop helps and they love it!

Do you trailer your Rhodes 22 much?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone
> On May 14, 2022, at 8:32 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard.  There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on.  Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant.  On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi

From chcarreon at cox.net  Sat May 14 12:02:16 2022
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 12:02:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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Thanks Roger. The pivot hole was the hole that I was referring to.

Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath

> On May 14, 2022 at 9:32 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard. There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on. Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant. On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
> 
>     Roger Pihlaja
>     S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
>         > > On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > wrote:
> > 
> >         Hi
> > 
> >     > 

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat May 14 12:12:04 2022
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 12:12:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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Chuy, and others,

The pivot pin hole as others have said should be a snug fit. It must be
pulled and measured as it has changed over the years. Earlier boats made in
the late 1970's like Roger's boat, and my first two Rhodes 22s had a half
inch diameter pin or bolt.
Newer boats had a much larger diameter pin. I have never measured the pin
in my present boat (a 1984) but it's much larger...closer to an inch or
more.
There is at least one Rhodie that should know because he machined a new one
on his machinists lathe, but I can't remember who or when.

You'll have to remove the center board, repair the holes if necessary sized
to any new pin you make.
I can search my picture files tonight to see if I can find that picture and
see if the date it was created is in the file's properties. At least that
will give a good starting date for searching the archives.

Todd T.


On Fri, May 13, 2022, 6:04 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Sorry about previous email. Size of the Hole in the centerboard was my
> question. Thanks Stephen for noticing my error.
>
>  Thanks,
> Chuy Carreon
> S/V AfterMath'86
>
>
> > On May 13, 2022 at 4:25 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Are you talking about your rudder or centerboard?  I am confused about:
> > "rudder hole on a centerboard".
> >
> > *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Pinafore*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:10 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >  Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair covered
> the
> > > original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does anyone
> have
> > > the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Chuy Carreon
> > > S/V AfterMath'86
> > >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat May 14 12:35:42 2022
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 12:35:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
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Graham,

Any info on this? Was it custom made or was it an off the shelf item you
purchased?

Todd T

On Fri, May 13, 2022, 10:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the
> arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.
>
> While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned
> out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I
> have attached a picture.
>
> The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up
> easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many, not
> all,  of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat May 14 17:19:21 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 17:19:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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There are numerous posts in the Archives. It appears that the earlier Rhodes had a 1/2" pivot pin. The later Rhodes use a 1" stainless steel pin. See photo. Respite is a 1989/2005 and has a 1" pivot pin. There are good instructions on CB removal and repair.

Joe Dempsey
SV Respite
Deltaville, VA

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:12 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Chuy, and others,

The pivot pin hole as others have said should be a snug fit. It must be pulled and measured as it has changed over the years. Earlier boats made in the late 1970's like Roger's boat, and my first two Rhodes 22s had a half inch diameter pin or bolt.
Newer boats had a much larger diameter pin. I have never measured the pin in my present boat (a 1984) but it's much larger...closer to an inch or more.
There is at least one Rhodie that should know because he machined a new one on his machinists lathe, but I can't remember who or when.

You'll have to remove the center board, repair the holes if necessary sized to any new pin you make.
I can search my picture files tonight to see if I can find that picture and see if the date it was created is in the file's properties. At least that will give a good starting date for searching the archives.

Todd T.


On Fri, May 13, 2022, 6:04 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Sorry about previous email. Size of the Hole in the centerboard was my 
> question. Thanks Stephen for noticing my error.
>
>  Thanks,
> Chuy Carreon
> S/V AfterMath'86
>
>
> > On May 13, 2022 at 4:25 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Are you talking about your rudder or centerboard?  I am confused about:
> > "rudder hole on a centerboard".
> >
> > *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Pinafore*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:10 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >  Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair 
> > > covered
> the
> > > original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does 
> > > anyone
> have
> > > the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Chuy Carreon
> > > S/V AfterMath'86
> > >
>


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat May 14 17:21:35 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 17:21:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Burgees
Message-ID: <00a701d867d8$9b8e70f0$d2ab52d0$@gmail.com>

For those of you new to The List, there is an official Rhodes 22 fleet
burgee (see Community news for ordering information). For further
information, contact Cindy. She has burgees in inventory. 

 

Joe Dempsey

SV Respite

Deltaville, VA

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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat May 14 17:24:06 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 17:24:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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Photos I left off earlier post!


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of chuy carreon
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Thanks Roger. The pivot hole was the hole that I was referring to.

Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath

> On May 14, 2022 at 9:32 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard. There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on. Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant. On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
> 
>     Roger Pihlaja
>     S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
>         > > On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > wrote:
> > 
> >         Hi
> > 
> >     > 
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From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Sat May 14 17:37:30 2022
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 17:37:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
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Hey Graham, do you have to have sail slugs for that to work?

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 10:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the
> arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.
>
> While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned
> out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I
> have attached a picture.
>
> The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up
> easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many, not
> all,  of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From gauthi06 at yahoo.ca  Sat May 14 17:40:03 2022
From: gauthi06 at yahoo.ca (Philip Gauthier)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 21:40:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing cockpit cussions
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 I've had Raven for over 10 years and I wash them every spring.Fortunately they are white so it makes things easy. I just throwthem into a garbage pale with water and bleack for an hr or so.Then I take them out of there and throw them in the washingmachine. Hang them to dry. Haven't had any problems with doingthat whatsoever......
PhilRaven
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Today's Topics:

? 1. Re: Washing the Cockpit Cushions (Matt Wilson)
? 2. Re: Washing the Cockpit Cushions (Mary Lou Troy)
? 3. Washing Cockpit Cushions (Jeff Smith Photo)
? 4. Re: Gooseneck Failure (Lowe, Rob)
? 5. Re: Washing the Cockpit Cushions (Rick Lange)
? 6. Re: Washing the Cockpit Cushions (Michael D. Weisner)
? 7. Gooseneck (Jeff Smith Photo)
? 8. Re: Gooseneck Failure (Peter Nyberg)
? 9. Re: Gooseneck (Lowe, Rob)
? 10. Re: Washing the Cockpit Cushions (Tom Van Heule)
? 11. Rudder hole size (chuy carreon)
? 12. Re: Rudder hole size (Stephen Staum)
? 13. Size of Centerboard hole (chuy carreon)
? 14. Re: Size of Centerboard hole (Graham Stewart)
? 15. Lasy jacks (Graham Stewart)
? 16. Re: Lasy jacks (Chris Geankoplis)
? 17. Re: Size of Centerboard hole (ROGER PIHLAJA)
? 18. Re: Size of Centerboard hole (ROGER PIHLAJA)
? 19. Re: Size of Centerboard hole (chuy carreon)
? 20. Re: Size of Centerboard hole (Todd Tavares)
? 21. Re: Lasy jacks (Todd Tavares)
? 22. Re: Size of Centerboard hole (Joe Dempsey)
? 23. R22 Burgees (Joe Dempsey)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 21:11:17 -0500
From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
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Thanks Mary Lou, do you have any trouble getting them back on once they?ve
dried?

On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 9:00 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> If they are the original cockpit cushions they are most likely Phifertex
> over closed cell foam. The cushions should be zippered so you can get
> the covers off.
>
> You could try mild soap and water and a soft scrub brush. If that
> doesn't work, I seem to remember Rose Spitzer cleaning cushion covers
> with a bleach mixture and a garden hose.
>
> I found a couple of items with a Google search that might help.
> https://www.trivantage.com/itemfiles/pdfs/cleaning/AwnTex_Cleaning.pdf
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpUZhodOiw
>
> Don't leave any cleaner on the vinyl meash for a long period of time and
> try not to use any petroleum product. You don't want to soften the vinyl.
>
> Best of luck,
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
>
> On 5/1/2022 9:41 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > The cockpit cushions.? There are some stains that normal scrubbing.? Has
> > anyone taken the cockpit cushions out and wash the covers?
> >
> > On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:03 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?? I just removed the covers on my cabin
> >> cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They were
> >> challenging to get back on, but not impossible.? My cockpit cushions I
> just
> >> scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >> Beach Spring
> >>
> >> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> >> Director of Music
> >> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> >> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
> >>
> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or
> attachments.
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the list,
> but
> >> are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning them?and
> getting
> >> them back on again?
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> Matt Wilson
> >> Hornblower II
> >> White Bear Lake
> >>
>
>
> --
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 22:46:27 -0400
From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
Message-ID: <c6f9d1d7-eff5-a798-3dd4-39d87ab4c31e at atlanticbb.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Ours were a bright blue and I'm not sure we ever had the covers off - 
mostly just rinsed them when needed. I vaguely remember and incident 
with a glass of red wine that required removing a cover. I don't recall 
any difficulty getting it back on. They don't stretch of shrink.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF 246



On 5/1/2022 10:11 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> Thanks Mary Lou, do you have any trouble getting them back on once they?ve
> dried?
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 9:00 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>
>> If they are the original cockpit cushions they are most likely Phifertex
>> over closed cell foam. The cushions should be zippered so you can get
>> the covers off.
>>
>> You could try mild soap and water and a soft scrub brush. If that
>> doesn't work, I seem to remember Rose Spitzer cleaning cushion covers
>> with a bleach mixture and a garden hose.
>>
>> I found a couple of items with a Google search that might help.
>> https://www.trivantage.com/itemfiles/pdfs/cleaning/AwnTex_Cleaning.pdf
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpUZhodOiw
>>
>> Don't leave any cleaner on the vinyl meash for a long period of time and
>> try not to use any petroleum product. You don't want to soften the vinyl.
>>
>> Best of luck,
>> Mary Lou
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/1/2022 9:41 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
>>> The cockpit cushions.? There are some stains that normal scrubbing.? Has
>>> anyone taken the cockpit cushions out and wash the covers?
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:03 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?? I just removed the covers on my cabin
>>>> cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They were
>>>> challenging to get back on, but not impossible.? My cockpit cushions I
>> just
>>>> scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>> Beach Spring
>>>>
>>>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>>>> Director of Music
>>>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
>>>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
>>>>
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>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the list,
>> but
>>>> are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning them?and
>> getting
>>>> them back on again?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>> Hornblower II
>>>> White Bear Lake
>>>>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 05:53:01 -0400
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing Cockpit Cushions
Message-ID:
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My cushions are a mesh over closed cell foam which was stained in places. I
used Fantastic with bleach and scrubbed them with a deck brush., allowed to
sit for half an hour and then rinsed with a garden hose. Stains gone and no
harm to cushions.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 15:44:56 +0000
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure
Message-ID:
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Jeff,
How did you find those parts on Dwyer's web site?? I looked and I can find any of those listed. 

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jeff Smith Photo
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2022 1:33 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure

The always helpful Peter Nyberg has an excellent either video or post about ordering beefed up gooseneck parts from Dwyer Masts. I installed them last Fall and what a difference. Here is my order:
DH 3143? - U-Bracket
2 Ordered @? ? $7.42/ea
Item Total - $14.84

CR1? ? ? - Rigging ring, 3/4"
2 Ordered @? ? $0.50/ea
Item Total - $1.00

CLP-4-0.984? ? ? - Clevis Pin
2 Ordered @? ? $2.72/ea
Item Total - $5.44

DH 334? - Heavy Duty Universal
1 Ordered @? ? $14.42/ea
Item Total - $14.42
The clevis pins were mislabeled in their catalog and proved to be 1/8"
short.? Dwyer promptly sent the correct length.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 13:28:45 -0400
From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
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I use a power washer while I'm doing the topsides of the boat.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:59 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the list, but
> are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning them?and getting
> them back on again?
>
> Many thanks,
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower II
> White Bear Lake
>

------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 13:34:53 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
Message-ID: <002001d85e4a$efcf7110$cf6e5330$@ebsmed.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="utf-8"

I've washed my cockpit cushions with various cleansers but the best cleaning resulted from letting them float in my chlorinated swimming pool for a day or two. Flip them over once in a while. Use them as floats while in the pool.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 10:00 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions

If they are the original cockpit cushions they are most likely Phifertex over closed cell foam. The cushions should be zippered so you can get the covers off.

You could try mild soap and water and a soft scrub brush. If that doesn't work, I seem to remember Rose Spitzer cleaning cushion covers with a bleach mixture and a garden hose.

I found a couple of items with a Google search that might help.
https://www.trivantage.com/itemfiles/pdfs/cleaning/AwnTex_Cleaning.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpUZhodOiw

Don't leave any cleaner on the vinyl meash for a long period of time and try not to use any petroleum product. You don't want to soften the vinyl.

Best of luck,
Mary Lou




On 5/1/2022 9:41 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> The cockpit cushions.? There are some stains that normal scrubbing.? 
> Has anyone taken the cockpit cushions out and wash the covers?
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:03 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list < 
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?? I just removed the covers on my 
>> cabin cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They 
>> were challenging to get back on, but not impossible.? My cockpit 
>> cushions I just scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.
>>
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>>
>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>> Director of Music
>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of 
>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
>>
>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the 
>> list, but are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning 
>> them?and getting them back on again?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower II
>> White Bear Lake
>>


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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 13:43:34 -0400
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Here is Carson of Dwyer Masts when I sent him a pick of my twisted
gooseneck.

Oh Man, that's pretty buggered up. You'll need to U Brackets. What are the
bolt sizes going into mast and boom? You'll also need a gooseneck universal
DH316. Two ring dings, like CR2 and Two clevis pins CLP-4-111.



Thank you for your interest in Dwyer Mast and Rigging.



Regards,
Carson

The Dwyer Team

Dwyer Mast & Rigging

33 Broadcommon Rd Unit 1

Bristol RI, 02809
P - 203-484-0419
F - 203-484-2014

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 02 May 2022 11:54:30 -0700
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure
Message-ID: <E1nlbBm-00CKgk-33 at s152.servername.online>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Rob,

Here's how to find the gooseneck parts I used for my repair:

1) go to www.dwyermast.com

2) click on 'Boom Extrusions and Fittings'

3) click on 'DM-275 Boom'

4) click on the image for 'DH 355-FHD Heavy Duty Fixed Gooseneck'

5) You should get a pop-up window with an exploded parts diagram with a parts list below it.? You may need to resize the window to see everything. You can use this window to create an order by filling in quantities.

The parts I used were:

? ? DH 3143 - U Bracket (2)
? ? CLP-4-111 - Clevis Pin (2)
? ? DH 334 - Heavy Duty Universal (1)

Other parts I sourced from McMaster-Carr.

These parts are more heavy duty than the ones that came with my boat.

All this and more is also in my video: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) 

 
> On 2022-05-02, at 11:44:56 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> How did you find those parts on Dwyer's web site?? I looked and I can find any 
> of those listed. 
> 
> Rob
> 
> 



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 19:56:47 +0000
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck
Message-ID:
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Thank for the info.? I wonder why they don't list them on the goosenecks page?

https://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=40&cat1Name=Hardware&familyID=17&familyName=Goosenecks

Guess it shows you need to contact the company directly for help sometimes.? 

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jeff Smith Photo
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2022 1:44 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck

Here is Carson of Dwyer Masts when I sent him a pick of my twisted gooseneck.

Oh Man, that's pretty buggered up. You'll need to U Brackets. What are the bolt sizes going into mast and boom? You'll also need a gooseneck universal DH316. Two ring dings, like CR2 and Two clevis pins CLP-4-111.



Thank you for your interest in Dwyer Mast and Rigging.



Regards,
Carson

The Dwyer Team

Dwyer Mast & Rigging

33 Broadcommon Rd Unit 1

Bristol RI, 02809
P - 203-484-0419
F - 203-484-2014

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 15:02:10 -0500
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Nice idea Mike...? Spring cushion party at your pool?

On Mon, May 2, 2022, 12:35 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> I've washed my cockpit cushions with various cleansers but the best
> cleaning resulted from letting them float in my chlorinated swimming pool
> for a day or two. Flip them over once in a while. Use them as floats while
> in the pool.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 10:00 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
>
> If they are the original cockpit cushions they are most likely Phifertex
> over closed cell foam. The cushions should be zippered so you can get the
> covers off.
>
> You could try mild soap and water and a soft scrub brush. If that doesn't
> work, I seem to remember Rose Spitzer cleaning cushion covers with a bleach
> mixture and a garden hose.
>
> I found a couple of items with a Google search that might help.
> https://www.trivantage.com/itemfiles/pdfs/cleaning/AwnTex_Cleaning.pdf
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpUZhodOiw
>
> Don't leave any cleaner on the vinyl meash for a long period of time and
> try not to use any petroleum product. You don't want to soften the vinyl.
>
> Best of luck,
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
>
> On 5/1/2022 9:41 PM, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > The cockpit cushions.? There are some stains that normal scrubbing.
> > Has anyone taken the cockpit cushions out and wash the covers?
> >
> > On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 7:03 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Which cushions? Cockpit or cabin?? I just removed the covers on my
> >> cabin cushions this past winter and took them to a dry cleaner. They
> >> were challenging to get back on, but not impossible.? My cockpit
> >> cushions I just scrub with a good cleaner and then rinse them.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >> Beach Spring
> >>
> >> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> >> Director of Music
> >> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2022 6:59 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Washing the Cockpit Cushions
> >>
> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or
> attachments.
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> Sorry to ask something so mundane of all you experts here on the
> >> list, but are there an tips in removing the cushion covers, cleaning
> >> them?and getting them back on again?
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> Matt Wilson
> >> Hornblower II
> >> White Bear Lake
> >>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 16:10:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hole size
Message-ID: <825253715.820075.1652472615957 at myemail.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi All,
 Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair covered the original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does anyone have the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard? 

Thanks,
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath'86


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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 16:25:32 -0400
From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hole size
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Are you talking about your rudder or centerboard?? I am confused about:
"rudder hole on a centerboard".

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:10 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
>? Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair covered the
> original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does anyone have
> the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard?
>
> Thanks,
> Chuy Carreon
> S/V AfterMath'86
>

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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 18:04:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Message-ID: <1239660225.828755.1652479441426 at myemail.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Sorry about previous email. Size of the Hole in the centerboard was my question. Thanks Stephen for noticing my error.

 Thanks,
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath'86


> On May 13, 2022 at 4:25 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Are you talking about your rudder or centerboard?? I am confused about:
> "rudder hole on a centerboard".
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:10 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> >? Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair covered the
> > original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does anyone have
> > the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chuy Carreon
> > S/V AfterMath'86
> >


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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 22:08:34 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Message-ID: <00d301d86737$84828c80$8d87a580$@ca>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="UTF-8"

Chy:

Are you referring to the hole for the pivot pin or the hole for the line? The hole for the pivot pin is determined by the pin - it should be very snug - while the hole for the line is just sufficient for the the line you are usng. I think some ket bit of information is missing. Perhaps a photo would help.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of chuy carreon
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 6:04 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Sorry about previous email. Size of the Hole in the centerboard was my question. Thanks Stephen for noticing my error.

 Thanks,
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath'86


> On May 13, 2022 at 4:25 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Are you talking about your rudder or centerboard?? I am confused about:
> "rudder hole on a centerboard".
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:10 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> >? Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair covered the
> > original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does anyone have
> > the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chuy Carreon
> > S/V AfterMath'86
> >



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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 22:25:59 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
Message-ID: <00d401d86739$f33715e0$d9a541a0$@ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.

While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I have attached a picture. 

The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many, not all,? of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario






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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 22:18:45 -0500
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
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Great job as usual, Graham.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 9:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the
> arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.
>
> While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned
> out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I
> have attached a picture.
>
> The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up
> easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many, not
> all,? of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 13:32:08 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard.? There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on.? Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant.? On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi

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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 14:54:38 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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Hi Graham,

Interesting windows on your dog house.? I?ve never seen a Rhodes 22 that didn?t have 3 separate ports.

My friend with the 42 ft LOA catamaran has a conventional mainsail with lazy jacks.? They work OK; but, you have to watch that the battens don?t get fouled going up or down.? I sailed the same boat before we installed the lazy jacks and that huge mainsail was a real bear to handle! The self flaking and self storing features of the lazy jacks are nice.? It helps if the helmsman can keep the boat pointed right into the eye of the wind.? The extra work associated with rigging/unrigging the lazy jacks is also a bit of a PITA.? My friend leaves his boat in the water all spring, summer, and fall.? In the winter, the mast stay up; but, the sails, boom, and lazy jacks all come down.? We?ve got rigging/unrigging it down to a system; but, it probably adds an extra 45 minutes each time.? Often, my Boy Scout Troop helps and they love it!

Do you trailer your Rhodes 22 much?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone
> On May 14, 2022, at 8:32 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard.? There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on.? Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant.? On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi

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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 12:02:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, ROGER
??? PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Message-ID: <2001589962.837700.1652544136904 at myemail.cox.net>
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Thanks Roger. The pivot hole was the hole that I was referring to.

Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath

> On May 14, 2022 at 9:32 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>? ? Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard. There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on. Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant. On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
> 
>? ? Roger Pihlaja
>? ? S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
>? ? Sent from my iPhone
> 
>? ? ? ? > > On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > wrote:
> > 
> >? ? ? ? Hi
> > 
> >? ? > 

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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 12:12:04 -0400
From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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Chuy, and others,

The pivot pin hole as others have said should be a snug fit. It must be
pulled and measured as it has changed over the years. Earlier boats made in
the late 1970's like Roger's boat, and my first two Rhodes 22s had a half
inch diameter pin or bolt.
Newer boats had a much larger diameter pin. I have never measured the pin
in my present boat (a 1984) but it's much larger...closer to an inch or
more.
There is at least one Rhodie that should know because he machined a new one
on his machinists lathe, but I can't remember who or when.

You'll have to remove the center board, repair the holes if necessary sized
to any new pin you make.
I can search my picture files tonight to see if I can find that picture and
see if the date it was created is in the file's properties. At least that
will give a good starting date for searching the archives.

Todd T.


On Fri, May 13, 2022, 6:04 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Sorry about previous email. Size of the Hole in the centerboard was my
> question. Thanks Stephen for noticing my error.
>
>? Thanks,
> Chuy Carreon
> S/V AfterMath'86
>
>
> > On May 13, 2022 at 4:25 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Are you talking about your rudder or centerboard?? I am confused about:
> > "rudder hole on a centerboard".
> >
> > *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Pinafore*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:10 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >? Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair covered
> the
> > > original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does anyone
> have
> > > the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Chuy Carreon
> > > S/V AfterMath'86
> > >
>

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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 12:35:42 -0400
From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
Message-ID:
??? <CAB-twMOcn7v0OUoLTbMBJg0Vth77DmkrgCfoUjzgsDy702r8oA at mail.gmail.com>
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Graham,

Any info on this? Was it custom made or was it an off the shelf item you
purchased?

Todd T

On Fri, May 13, 2022, 10:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the
> arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.
>
> While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned
> out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I
> have attached a picture.
>
> The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up
> easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many, not
> all,? of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 17:19:21 -0400
From: "Joe Dempsey" <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
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There are numerous posts in the Archives. It appears that the earlier Rhodes had a 1/2" pivot pin. The later Rhodes use a 1" stainless steel pin. See photo. Respite is a 1989/2005 and has a 1" pivot pin. There are good instructions on CB removal and repair.

Joe Dempsey
SV Respite
Deltaville, VA

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:12 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Chuy, and others,

The pivot pin hole as others have said should be a snug fit. It must be pulled and measured as it has changed over the years. Earlier boats made in the late 1970's like Roger's boat, and my first two Rhodes 22s had a half inch diameter pin or bolt.
Newer boats had a much larger diameter pin. I have never measured the pin in my present boat (a 1984) but it's much larger...closer to an inch or more.
There is at least one Rhodie that should know because he machined a new one on his machinists lathe, but I can't remember who or when.

You'll have to remove the center board, repair the holes if necessary sized to any new pin you make.
I can search my picture files tonight to see if I can find that picture and see if the date it was created is in the file's properties. At least that will give a good starting date for searching the archives.

Todd T.


On Fri, May 13, 2022, 6:04 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:

> Sorry about previous email. Size of the Hole in the centerboard was my 
> question. Thanks Stephen for noticing my error.
>
>? Thanks,
> Chuy Carreon
> S/V AfterMath'86
>
>
> > On May 13, 2022 at 4:25 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Are you talking about your rudder or centerboard?? I am confused about:
> > "rudder hole on a centerboard".
> >
> > *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Pinafore*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 4:10 PM chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >? Had rudder repaired but did not measure rudder hole. Repair 
> > > covered
> the
> > > original hole, but I do have location of original hole. Does 
> > > anyone
> have
> > > the size of the rudder hole on a centerboard?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Chuy Carreon
> > > S/V AfterMath'86
> > >
>



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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 17:21:35 -0400
From: "Joe Dempsey" <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Burgees
Message-ID: <00a701d867d8$9b8e70f0$d2ab52d0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

For those of you new to The List, there is an official Rhodes 22 fleet
burgee (see Community news for ordering information). For further
information, contact Cindy. She has burgees in inventory. 

 

Joe Dempsey

SV Respite

Deltaville, VA

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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat May 14 17:39:58 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 17:39:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
In-Reply-To: <00b801d867d8$f6a7f970$e3f7ec50$@gmail.com>
References: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
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By the way, when it comes to replacing the cap and gasket, Stan has very specific instructions. There are 50+ 316 SS Machine screws and fender washers  and backing nuts securing the rubber gasket. It does not require sealant. If properly fastened and the machine screws carefully tightened, it will remain water tight. Do not over tighten! If you cannot find Stan's instructions, let me know and I will post them.

Joe Dempsey
SV Respite
Deltaville, VA

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:24 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Photos I left off earlier post!


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of chuy carreon
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Thanks Roger. The pivot hole was the hole that I was referring to.

Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath

> On May 14, 2022 at 9:32 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard. There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on. Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant. On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
> 
>     Roger Pihlaja
>     S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
>         > > On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > wrote:
> > 
> >         Hi
> > 
> >     > 
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Sat May 14 18:41:27 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 18:41:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
In-Reply-To: <CAFTyJNXPGe4D3XtgWiCuvbt=XTNt4i4+1Fa-SaFsAitYovodGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
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Doyle makes custom units like that. It is called a stack pack. Works great.


Stephen Staum
s/v Pinafore
Needham, MA

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 5:37 PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Graham, do you have to have sail slugs for that to work?
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 10:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the
> > arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.
> >
> > While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned
> > out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I
> > have attached a picture.
> >
> > The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up
> > easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many,
> not
> > all,  of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > >
> >
>
-- 
Thanks and Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From chcarreon at cox.net  Sat May 14 20:05:27 2022
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 20:05:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
In-Reply-To: <00b801d867d8$f6a7f970$e3f7ec50$@gmail.com>
References: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
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Thanks for great pictures. Does your pin rotate? What was the white compound on the pin?

Thanks,
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath

> On May 14, 2022 at 5:24 PM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com mailto:jpd9668 at gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Photos I left off earlier post!
> 
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > On Behalf Of chuy carreon
>     Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:02 PM
>     To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >; ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com >
>     Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
> 
>     Thanks Roger. The pivot hole was the hole that I was referring to.
> 
>     Chuy Carreon
>     S/V AfterMath
> 
>         > > On May 14, 2022 at 9:32 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >         Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard. There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on. Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant. On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
> > 
> >         Roger Pihlaja
> >         S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 
> > 
> >         Sent from my iPhone
> >         > > On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > > Hi
> > >             >
> > > 
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From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Sat May 14 20:46:19 2022
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 00:46:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] MJ Bertsch | Seadation | New Bern, NC
Message-ID: <BN9PR03MB615609062111F6A73E3C122AAECC9@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hello all - I'm looking to connect with MJ Bertsch.
Seadation is still listed on the Rhodes22 Owner Map.

I'm traveling to the area in June and would love to talk about our boats.
Bob

ORION
Sunapee, NH




From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sun May 15 12:09:38 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 12:09:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Burgees
In-Reply-To: <00a701d867d8$9b8e70f0$d2ab52d0$@gmail.com>
References: <00a701d867d8$9b8e70f0$d2ab52d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBBPnmahQv708xhT4v5eSw2UbBWAv+pK2fxvJFyv_KRt4g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Joe.
What would it cost to make a two-sided
Burgee?
Right now it seems like the current burgee is more appropriate for mounting
on a wall or plaque.
Bob
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 5:21 PM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those of you new to The List, there is an official Rhodes 22 fleet
> burgee (see Community news for ordering information). For further
> information, contact Cindy. She has burgees in inventory.
>
>
>
> Joe Dempsey
>
> SV Respite
>
> Deltaville, VA
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun May 15 12:30:45 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 16:30:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Burgees
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References: <00a701d867d8$9b8e70f0$d2ab52d0$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920B430C56E78B5BE18CE9F80CC9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Bob,

I purchased two of the current burgees, unstitched the design from one of them, restitched the design backwards on the back of the same burgee, and then stitched the two burgees together, back to back.  The resulting double thickness burgee is stiff enough to not need any wind to fly.  But, it?s readable from both sides, so you can actually use it on the boat without everyone asking why your burgee is only 1-sided.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 12:09 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Burgees

Hi Joe.
What would it cost to make a two-sided
Burgee?
Right now it seems like the current burgee is more appropriate for mounting
on a wall or plaque.
Bob
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 5:21 PM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those of you new to The List, there is an official Rhodes 22 fleet
> burgee (see Community news for ordering information). For further
> information, contact Cindy. She has burgees in inventory.
>
>
>
> Joe Dempsey
>
> SV Respite
>
> Deltaville, VA
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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sun May 15 12:34:26 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 12:34:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Burgees
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920B430C56E78B5BE18CE9F80CC9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <00a701d867d8$9b8e70f0$d2ab52d0$@gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBBPnmahQv708xhT4v5eSw2UbBWAv+pK2fxvJFyv_KRt4g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPi3tBDuJx39K=WDXNO17Y++kvDyP5RR6++fvYAtCcQaKGBGdg@mail.gmail.com>

Roger
Great suggestion
Thanks

On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 12:30 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Hi Bob,
>
> I purchased two of the current burgees, unstitched the design from one of
> them, restitched the design backwards on the back of the same burgee, and
> then stitched the two burgees together, back to back.  The resulting double
> thickness burgee is stiff enough to not need any wind to fly.  But, it?s
> readable from both sides, so you can actually use it on the boat without
> everyone asking why your burgee is only 1-sided.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Bob Garrant<mailto:bgarrant at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 12:09 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Burgees
>
> Hi Joe.
> What would it cost to make a two-sided
> Burgee?
> Right now it seems like the current burgee is more appropriate for mounting
> on a wall or plaque.
> Bob
> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 5:21 PM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For those of you new to The List, there is an official Rhodes 22 fleet
> > burgee (see Community news for ordering information). For further
> > information, contact Cindy. She has burgees in inventory.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Dempsey
> >
> > SV Respite
> >
> > Deltaville, VA
> >
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From rob.o.baldi at gmail.com  Sun May 15 12:47:24 2022
From: rob.o.baldi at gmail.com (Robert Baldi)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 12:47:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace Furling line
Message-ID: <CACJaSPL0cyoXJ97LCQzJSHO3CvGuFswgGa07RnAeSviz+SkB5A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear friends
I cannot remember ever replacing my furling line ?.. but it is old and
should be replaced. I noticed that after Jay Friedland and I raised my mast
on my circa 2000 Rhde 22. It has the GB basic furler ??open and easy to
use. It appears to have the final end enter the spool. Probably has a
stopper knot on the inside. But I am on the outside looking at it. Do I
have to have the forestry disconnected from the deck to replace the furling
line? Do I have to wait until fall when I lower the mast again.  Shall I
just wait until a big gust of wind blows out the line ???or a simple short
question???. How do I attach a new line?

Thanks for taking the time to read my lament.

rob
Robert Baldi.  Formerly moses2u
-- 
rob

From my IPad
Robert O. Baldi

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun May 15 12:51:03 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 12:51:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Burgees
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBBPnmahQv708xhT4v5eSw2UbBWAv+pK2fxvJFyv_KRt4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a701d867d8$9b8e70f0$d2ab52d0$@gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBBPnmahQv708xhT4v5eSw2UbBWAv+pK2fxvJFyv_KRt4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012701d8687b$f9730340$ec5909c0$@gmail.com>

Bob,
The I believe the cost is about double because it requires two burgees sewn together. You can inquire with Cindy at the address on the R22 website. I agree with you about the appearance, however I must say that it is not that noticeable when it is displayed from the peak of the mast or from a spreader halyard.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Bob Garrant
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 12:10 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Burgees

Hi Joe.
What would it cost to make a two-sided
Burgee?
Right now it seems like the current burgee is more appropriate for mounting on a wall or plaque.
Bob
On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 5:21 PM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> For those of you new to The List, there is an official Rhodes 22 fleet 
> burgee (see Community news for ordering information). For further 
> information, contact Cindy. She has burgees in inventory.
>
>
>
> Joe Dempsey
>
> SV Respite
>
> Deltaville, VA
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From stevenalm at gmail.com  Sun May 15 14:34:35 2022
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 13:34:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
Message-ID: <CANtNeFAD3ff7SXJmnEKsM7b3Kp_E=XswDkukvPHu2vkLYNZtDA@mail.gmail.com>

I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They
got up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it out
on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as
best we could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though
so I took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom
paint, counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was
mostly unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I
did get three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to,
hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit
for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and lowered
it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve the
problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!

Slim
Fandango
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From forg3d at gmail.com  Sun May 15 17:19:19 2022
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 16:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFAD3ff7SXJmnEKsM7b3Kp_E=XswDkukvPHu2vkLYNZtDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFAD3ff7SXJmnEKsM7b3Kp_E=XswDkukvPHu2vkLYNZtDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A75DBA6-8728-488D-8CCE-BAD039FA39FE@gmail.com>

Very nice. Stealing that design!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2022, at 1:35 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
> Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They
> got up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
> hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it out
> on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as
> best we could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though
> so I took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom
> paint, counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was
> mostly unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I
> did get three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
> The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to,
> hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit
> for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and lowered
> it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve the
> problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!
> 
> Slim
> Fandango
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun May 15 19:52:31 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 18:52:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] update on bottom paint, battery setup,
	and bimini mount
Message-ID: <CAMc-3for4WbADVtoR4EUdhKSdRT=Rd1_j0jTvqbc6pk2fuCTeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Here are a few updates on posts I had made earlier in the spring.

I concluded that the existing bottom paint was ablative, and we ended up
going with Seahawk Red Ablative AF 33 for the new paint.  It looks like it
went on well so we'll see how it holds up.

Regarding electrical updates, I added a sealed flooded lead acid group 51R
battery that's wired to my electric start outboard and motor lift on a
separate circuit from the house battery.  For a variety of reasons, the
consensus is that it's best to use a lead acid battery to connect with the
alternator.  I've got the two original 10 watt solar panels wired to the
starter battery, and the new 30 watt panel on the small arch over the stern
rail is wired to the LiFEOP4 house battery.  Everything seems to be working
well with both batteries staying topped up between usage.  Both batteries
are less than 30 lbs so they will be easy to manage when it comes time to
remove them in the off season.

The Group 51R battery is notably smaller (roughly 9"x5"x9") and lighter
than a Group 27.  I cut down one of the old battery boxes and used some
other materials to make a battery box for the 51R battery.  I mounted this
under the port settee just aft of the bulkhead for the v-berth. It fits
just between the fiberglass stringer and the raised floor.  I didn't use
that area for storage anyway since it was a bit hard to get to.  I removed
a wood piece that partially covered that area and replaced it with a PVC
board mounted on hinges and secured with barrel bolts.  The battery is a
snug fit in the battery box, but I tied the battery down as well to keep it
secure.  I wired a simple voltage reader to this battery so I can easily
keep an eye on the voltage level.

Per usual, I've probably overdone things and have more battery capacity
than I would ever practically need.  I learned a lot with the electrical
projects and now I can easily monitor battery usage with the monitors in
place.

The bimini mount that I added to the stern rail keeps the bimini from
covering up the 10 watt solar panels.  It's also easier to get on and off
the boat from the dock with the bimini stowed in the aft position.
However, when it's time to take the boat out for a sail, I find it easier
to move the bimini to the forward position resting on the cabin so the aft
portion of the cockpit is clear and I can sit on the coaming for a good
view forward.  The bimini mounts fold down into clips, and it's easy to
switch stowage position with the quick pins.  The mounting pieces were made
to have a threaded bolt for attachment so I had to drill those out for use
with the quick pins.

I attached a few photos for reference.  It's great to be back in the water
and sailing again!

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun May 15 19:53:38 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 18:53:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFAD3ff7SXJmnEKsM7b3Kp_E=XswDkukvPHu2vkLYNZtDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFAD3ff7SXJmnEKsM7b3Kp_E=XswDkukvPHu2vkLYNZtDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3foBbnGm9Szbc0GmFPwQL7=53QDaK_=aGoqGgrPsHe9Oig@mail.gmail.com>

Nice work and slick setup with the hoist.  Thanks for sharing.
Unfortunately, Zebra mussels are something that we all may have to deal
with eventually.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 1:35 PM Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

> I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
> Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They
> got up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
> hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it out
> on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as
> best we could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though
> so I took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom
> paint, counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was
> mostly unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I
> did get three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
> The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to,
> hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit
> for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and lowered
> it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve the
> problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!
>
> Slim
> Fandango
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun May 15 19:54:37 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 18:54:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
In-Reply-To: <00d401d86739$f33715e0$d9a541a0$@ca>
References: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
 <825253715.820075.1652472615957@myemail.cox.net>
 <CAOo_FjfCwRrsk0_PT5m-nsFDr6mJqVo5pHQMDuwTUpLByy_PFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1239660225.828755.1652479441426@myemail.cox.net>
 <00d401d86739$f33715e0$d9a541a0$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqW2SjA91YnHBR-ZM_MzStyWOjiXr9JpnM59UAt37JoKg@mail.gmail.com>

That looks like a nice setup Graham, thanks for sharing.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 9:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the
> arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.
>
> While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned
> out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I
> have attached a picture.
>
> The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up
> easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many, not
> all,  of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun May 15 21:50:48 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 20:50:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] update on bottom paint, battery setup,
	and bimini mount
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3for4WbADVtoR4EUdhKSdRT=Rd1_j0jTvqbc6pk2fuCTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3for4WbADVtoR4EUdhKSdRT=Rd1_j0jTvqbc6pk2fuCTeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiX-qOH-s3G9ZKo6Q9CRO_DAj9Cj-UJg9HbTUvdQOgW3xg@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent!

On Sun, May 15, 2022 at 6:52 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Here are a few updates on posts I had made earlier in the spring.
>
> I concluded that the existing bottom paint was ablative, and we ended up
> going with Seahawk Red Ablative AF 33 for the new paint.  It looks like it
> went on well so we'll see how it holds up.
>
> Regarding electrical updates, I added a sealed flooded lead acid group 51R
> battery that's wired to my electric start outboard and motor lift on a
> separate circuit from the house battery.  For a variety of reasons, the
> consensus is that it's best to use a lead acid battery to connect with the
> alternator.  I've got the two original 10 watt solar panels wired to the
> starter battery, and the new 30 watt panel on the small arch over the stern
> rail is wired to the LiFEOP4 house battery.  Everything seems to be working
> well with both batteries staying topped up between usage.  Both batteries
> are less than 30 lbs so they will be easy to manage when it comes time to
> remove them in the off season.
>
> The Group 51R battery is notably smaller (roughly 9"x5"x9") and lighter
> than a Group 27.  I cut down one of the old battery boxes and used some
> other materials to make a battery box for the 51R battery.  I mounted this
> under the port settee just aft of the bulkhead for the v-berth. It fits
> just between the fiberglass stringer and the raised floor.  I didn't use
> that area for storage anyway since it was a bit hard to get to.  I removed
> a wood piece that partially covered that area and replaced it with a PVC
> board mounted on hinges and secured with barrel bolts.  The battery is a
> snug fit in the battery box, but I tied the battery down as well to keep it
> secure.  I wired a simple voltage reader to this battery so I can easily
> keep an eye on the voltage level.
>
> Per usual, I've probably overdone things and have more battery capacity
> than I would ever practically need.  I learned a lot with the electrical
> projects and now I can easily monitor battery usage with the monitors in
> place.
>
> The bimini mount that I added to the stern rail keeps the bimini from
> covering up the 10 watt solar panels.  It's also easier to get on and off
> the boat from the dock with the bimini stowed in the aft position.
> However, when it's time to take the boat out for a sail, I find it easier
> to move the bimini to the forward position resting on the cabin so the aft
> portion of the cockpit is clear and I can sit on the coaming for a good
> view forward.  The bimini mounts fold down into clips, and it's easy to
> switch stowage position with the quick pins.  The mounting pieces were made
> to have a threaded bolt for attachment so I had to drill those out for use
> with the quick pins.
>
> I attached a few photos for reference.  It's great to be back in the water
> and sailing again!
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
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From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Mon May 16 10:21:37 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 10:21:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
Message-ID: <D6C0D6D2-BD8B-4177-8E67-6BD67DFE07EF@gmail.com>

I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24? high, custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking in the rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away

Cheers, 
Chi Tak

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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon May 16 10:42:21 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 09:42:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <D6C0D6D2-BD8B-4177-8E67-6BD67DFE07EF@gmail.com>
References: <D6C0D6D2-BD8B-4177-8E67-6BD67DFE07EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUqt1=WeR-1wKaxw-hOfG_a00Oa-ef965+ZX6j+6p3PVg@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, that is nice.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24? high,
> custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking in the
> rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away
>
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> Chi Tak
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon May 16 10:54:24 2022
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 10:54:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUqt1=WeR-1wKaxw-hOfG_a00Oa-ef965+ZX6j+6p3PVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D6C0D6D2-BD8B-4177-8E67-6BD67DFE07EF@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMNyFe5AASNxG5DxHuruQg3XE3feUuAr-922p_72kt7pBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Can we see some more pics? I'm very curious now. Is it permanent? It looks
like it may be removable.

Todd T

On Mon, May 16, 2022, 10:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Wow, that is nice.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24? high,
> > custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking in the
> > rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chi Tak
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From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Mon May 16 11:32:58 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:32:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMNyFe5AASNxG5DxHuruQg3XE3feUuAr-922p_72kt7pBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMNyFe5AASNxG5DxHuruQg3XE3feUuAr-922p_72kt7pBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE911B3F-5419-4D8C-9383-3A2C0A07A46B@gmail.com>

Push top up to designed position, lift the front panel 1 inch to separate everything. Now find a place to store them.
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> On May 16, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Can we see some more pics? I'm very curious now. Is it permanent? It looks
> like it may be removable.
> 
> Todd T
> 
>> On Mon, May 16, 2022, 10:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that is nice.
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> Enosis
>> 
>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24? high,
>>> custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking in the
>>> rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chi Tak
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon May 16 11:40:49 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:40:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <FE911B3F-5419-4D8C-9383-3A2C0A07A46B@gmail.com>
References: <CAB-twMNyFe5AASNxG5DxHuruQg3XE3feUuAr-922p_72kt7pBQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <FE911B3F-5419-4D8C-9383-3A2C0A07A46B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDC4134D-29E4-44EA-880F-490F2F1B9813@stottarchitecture.com>

That looks pretty cool Patrick
If I built that, my wife would probably not stop complaining, but it might reduce the amplitude a bit. 
When you can - will you please send a pic of the installation that shows the whole assembly from the outside? 
Thank you for sharing your custom work - it looks great. 
Ric 
sv Dadventure 
Hampton Bays, NY 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On May 16, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On May 16, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Can we see some more pics? I'm very curious now. Is it permanent? It looks
>> like it may be removable.
>> 
>> Todd T
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022, 10:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that is nice.
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> Enosis
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24? high,
>>>> custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking in the
>>>> rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Chi Tak
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon May 16 11:44:22 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:44:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <FE911B3F-5419-4D8C-9383-3A2C0A07A46B@gmail.com>
References: <FE911B3F-5419-4D8C-9383-3A2C0A07A46B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DD4CDB6-6BC7-42F5-98CF-DFFE02B24ADB@gmail.com>

This is a very neat idea, but it does raise the issue of where to store the parts.  A soft Sunbrella enclosure with a similar design (like the upper part of the full pop top enclosure) would be easier to store.  

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2022, at 11:33 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On May 16, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Can we see some more pics? I'm very curious now. Is it permanent? It looks
>> like it may be removable.
>> 
>> Todd T
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022, 10:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, that is nice.
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> Enosis
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24? high,
>>>> custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking in the
>>>> rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Chi Tak
>>>> 
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon May 16 12:06:12 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 16:06:12 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFAD3ff7SXJmnEKsM7b3Kp_E=XswDkukvPHu2vkLYNZtDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFAD3ff7SXJmnEKsM7b3Kp_E=XswDkukvPHu2vkLYNZtDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB6985A06E557D8B3FA7E687B0C1CF9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Slim,
Pretty interesting.  First time I can think of someone setting up a rig for removing the centerboard.  How much does that thing weigh?  I wasn't sure if you could man handle it or not.  I hope your solution to the zebra mussels works.  I'm thankful we don't have to deal with them (yet) where we sail.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Steven Alm
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 2:35 PM
To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation

I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They got up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it out on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as best we could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though so I took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom paint, counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was mostly unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I did get three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to, hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and lowered it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve the problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!

Slim
Fandango
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From forg3d at gmail.com  Mon May 16 12:40:53 2022
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <EDC4134D-29E4-44EA-880F-490F2F1B9813@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <EDC4134D-29E4-44EA-880F-490F2F1B9813@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <DDA46756-5373-4C5A-9356-3FE79CCA03A5@gmail.com>

Me too!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> ?That looks pretty cool Patrick
> If I built that, my wife would probably not stop complaining, but it might reduce the amplitude a bit. 
> When you can - will you please send a pic of the installation that shows the whole assembly from the outside? 
> Thank you for sharing your custom work - it looks great. 
> Ric 
> sv Dadventure 
> Hampton Bays, NY 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 16, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
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>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Can we see some more pics? I'm very curious now. Is it permanent? It looks
>>> like it may be removable.
>>> 
>>> Todd T
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022, 10:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Wow, that is nice.
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> Enosis
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24? high,
>>>>> custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking in the
>>>>> rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Chi Tak
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon May 16 14:09:04 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 14:09:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB6985A06E557D8B3FA7E687B0C1CF9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CANtNeFAD3ff7SXJmnEKsM7b3Kp_E=XswDkukvPHu2vkLYNZtDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR05MB6985A06E557D8B3FA7E687B0C1CF9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000501d86950$072e61d0$158b2570$@ca>

I think mine weighs 80 lbs so it is a struggle to lift and carry off the
boat. I have never removed the centerboard when the mast was up. Neat
design.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 12:06 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation

Slim,
Pretty interesting.  First time I can think of someone setting up a rig for
removing the centerboard.  How much does that thing weigh?  I wasn't sure if
you could man handle it or not.  I hope your solution to the zebra mussels
works.  I'm thankful we don't have to deal with them (yet) where we sail.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Steven
Alm
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 2:35 PM
To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation

I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They got
up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it out
on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as best we
could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though so I
took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom paint,
counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was mostly
unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I did get
three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to,
hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit
for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and lowered
it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve the
problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!

Slim
Fandango
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon May 16 14:17:16 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 14:17:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ports
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Roger:

I changed the subject line to reflect the contents:

The window treatment on my boat was my own modification. The acrylic windows are a single piece and are held in place with adhesive alone. So far, 3+ years, they have remained in place.
I posted details of the work and material at the time I did it so it should be in the archives - I can never seem to find things there. If you, or anyone else are interested in the details and can't find it in the archives I can post it again.

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:55 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Hi Graham,

Interesting windows on your dog house.  I?ve never seen a Rhodes 22 that didn?t have 3 separate ports.

My friend with the 42 ft LOA catamaran has a conventional mainsail with lazy jacks.  They work OK; but, you have to watch that the battens don?t get fouled going up or down.  I sailed the same boat before we installed the lazy jacks and that huge mainsail was a real bear to handle! The self flaking and self storing features of the lazy jacks are nice.  It helps if the helmsman can keep the boat pointed right into the eye of the wind.  The extra work associated with rigging/unrigging the lazy jacks is also a bit of a PITA.  My friend leaves his boat in the water all spring, summer, and fall.  In the winter, the mast stay up; but, the sails, boom, and lazy jacks all come down.  We?ve got rigging/unrigging it down to a system; but, it probably adds an extra 45 minutes each time.  Often, my Boy Scout Troop helps and they love it!

Do you trailer your Rhodes 22 much?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone
> On May 14, 2022, at 8:32 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard.  There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on.  Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant.  On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon May 16 15:21:59 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 15:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ports
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I believe that the write-up started at:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2015-June/077866.html

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 2:17 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ports

Roger:

I changed the subject line to reflect the contents:

The window treatment on my boat was my own modification. The acrylic windows are a single piece and are held in place with adhesive alone. So far, 3+ years, they have remained in place.
I posted details of the work and material at the time I did it so it should be in the archives - I can never seem to find things there. If you, or anyone else are interested in the details and can't find it in the archives I can post it again.

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:55 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Hi Graham,

Interesting windows on your dog house.  I?ve never seen a Rhodes 22 that didn?t have 3 separate ports.

My friend with the 42 ft LOA catamaran has a conventional mainsail with lazy jacks.  They work OK; but, you have to watch that the battens don?t get fouled going up or down.  I sailed the same boat before we installed the lazy jacks and that huge mainsail was a real bear to handle! The self flaking and self storing features of the lazy jacks are nice.  It helps if the helmsman can keep the boat pointed right into the eye of the wind.  The extra work associated with rigging/unrigging the lazy jacks is also a bit of a PITA.  My friend leaves his boat in the water all spring, summer, and fall.  In the winter, the mast stay up; but, the sails, boom, and lazy jacks all come down.  We?ve got rigging/unrigging it down to a system; but, it probably adds an extra 45 minutes each time.  Often, my Boy Scout Troop helps and they love it!

Do you trailer your Rhodes 22 much?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone
> On May 14, 2022, at 8:32 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard.  There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on.  Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant.  On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon May 16 15:24:12 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 15:24:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
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Slim:
Lake Ontario became infested with zebra mussels about 20 years ago. During
the first few years the infestation was severe but over time it has
moderated. Antifouling works very well. I painted the centerboard housing
and have found that the paint lasts virtually indefinitely. It certainly
does not require reapplication as is the case with the hull where the paint
gradually wears off.


Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 12:06 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation

Slim,
Pretty interesting.  First time I can think of someone setting up a rig for
removing the centerboard.  How much does that thing weigh?  I wasn't sure if
you could man handle it or not.  I hope your solution to the zebra mussels
works.  I'm thankful we don't have to deal with them (yet) where we sail.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Steven
Alm
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 2:35 PM
To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation

I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They got
up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it out
on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as best we
could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though so I
took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom paint,
counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was mostly
unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I did get
three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to,
hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit
for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and lowered
it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve the
problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!

Slim
Fandango
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From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Mon May 16 15:38:44 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 14:38:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pictures of a loose footed main on a non IMF
	gooseneck?
Message-ID: <63FBAC76-193D-4331-9230-05E4FA02D12A@gmail.com>

Hello one and all.  I was wondering if anyone with a conventional mast set up is running a loose footed main? If so could you share a pic of the goose neck & tack? 

Thanks a ton,

Rodney 

From stevenalm at gmail.com  Mon May 16 15:52:27 2022
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 14:52:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
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The last time I had the board out 7 or 8 years ago to change out the
control line I did it with the mast down and couldn't fit the settee board
out the companionway. It made for some pretty cramped quarters to do the
work with it in the cabin. So this time I raised the mast and was able to
get everything out of my way to do this job which is already quite a bear.
without having all that stuff in the way. And yes, I could have wrestled
the board out myself without all that rigmarole and put up with a sore back
or been simpler to get a buddy to help but I like dreaming up ways to do
things "the easy way" even though the setup takes longer than anything.
Lol! By the way, the first time I did this I found the 60 or so fasteners
around the cap were Phillips head and I must have cursed Stan's name a
thousand times struggling to get those off. Of course I changed them out to
hex head and even though it's still a pretty tedious job, I'm happy as can
be to use a socket wrench this time.

Slim
Fandango

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> I think mine weighs 80 lbs so it is a struggle to lift and carry off the
> boat. I have never removed the centerboard when the mast was up. Neat
> design.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 12:06 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
>
> Slim,
> Pretty interesting.  First time I can think of someone setting up a rig for
> removing the centerboard.  How much does that thing weigh?  I wasn't sure
> if
> you could man handle it or not.  I hope your solution to the zebra mussels
> works.  I'm thankful we don't have to deal with them (yet) where we sail.
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Steven
> Alm
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 2:35 PM
> To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
>
> I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
> Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They
> got
> up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
> hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it out
> on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as best
> we
> could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though so I
> took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom paint,
> counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was mostly
> unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I did
> get
> three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
> The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to,
> hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit
> for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and lowered
> it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve the
> problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!
>
> Slim
> Fandango
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon May 16 15:55:32 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 19:55:32 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pictures of a loose footed main on a non
	IMF	gooseneck?
In-Reply-To: <63FBAC76-193D-4331-9230-05E4FA02D12A@gmail.com>
References: <63FBAC76-193D-4331-9230-05E4FA02D12A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB69854BFA5031C162BC13A162C1CF9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I've got these photos of the goose neck from my old '76.  These help at all? - Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of RODNEY BROWN
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 3:39 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pictures of a loose footed main on a non IMF gooseneck?

Hello one and all.  I was wondering if anyone with a conventional mast set up is running a loose footed main? If so could you share a pic of the goose neck & tack? 

Thanks a ton,

Rodney 
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From stevenalm at gmail.com  Mon May 16 16:01:44 2022
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 15:01:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFCTsQ3-0=8Y41Aw-Q5q9POaBwonCr1VvcURRRmmVkwHrw@mail.gmail.com>
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Graham, yes, The Great Lakes are badly infested esp. Lake Michigan. I read
the entire lake bottom is 6' deep with mussel shells. It has actually
changed the color of the lake which I saw for myself a few summers ago when
I crewed on Pride of Baltimore II.  Good to know the paint job should hold
up! That's very reassuring. Thanks for mentioning.

Slim
Fandango

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:52 PM Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

> The last time I had the board out 7 or 8 years ago to change out the
> control line I did it with the mast down and couldn't fit the settee board
> out the companionway. It made for some pretty cramped quarters to do the
> work with it in the cabin. So this time I raised the mast and was able to
> get everything out of my way to do this job which is already quite a bear.
> without having all that stuff in the way. And yes, I could have wrestled
> the board out myself without all that rigmarole and put up with a sore back
> or been simpler to get a buddy to help but I like dreaming up ways to do
> things "the easy way" even though the setup takes longer than anything.
> Lol! By the way, the first time I did this I found the 60 or so fasteners
> around the cap were Phillips head and I must have cursed Stan's name a
> thousand times struggling to get those off. Of course I changed them out to
> hex head and even though it's still a pretty tedious job, I'm happy as can
> be to use a socket wrench this time.
>
> Slim
> Fandango
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> I think mine weighs 80 lbs so it is a struggle to lift and carry off the
>> boat. I have never removed the centerboard when the mast was up. Neat
>> design.
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Lowe, Rob
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 12:06 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
>>
>> Slim,
>> Pretty interesting.  First time I can think of someone setting up a rig
>> for
>> removing the centerboard.  How much does that thing weigh?  I wasn't sure
>> if
>> you could man handle it or not.  I hope your solution to the zebra mussels
>> works.  I'm thankful we don't have to deal with them (yet) where we sail.
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Steven
>> Alm
>> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 2:35 PM
>> To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
>>
>> I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
>> Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They
>> got
>> up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
>> hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it out
>> on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as best
>> we
>> could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though so I
>> took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom paint,
>> counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was mostly
>> unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I did
>> get
>> three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
>> The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to,
>> hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit
>> for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and lowered
>> it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve
>> the
>> problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!
>>
>> Slim
>> Fandango
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon May 16 16:23:16 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 16:23:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Attaching the centerboard housing cap
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFCTsQ3-0=8Y41Aw-Q5q9POaBwonCr1VvcURRRmmVkwHrw@mail.gmail.com>
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Here is a simple suggestion that makes installing the housing cap bolts easier.

After installing the cap repeatedly, I found that if I used hex head bolts and inserted them from below with the nuts on the top I could hold the  head easily with a box head wrench and then use an electric drill with a torque adjustment to install the nuts. The torque adjustment can be set to the level you need and then will tighten all of the nuts evenly and in seconds. I would NOT use an impact driver as that might tighten the nuts too much. Installing the bolts upside down was much easier than trying to reach under the flange to thread the nuts on and then having very limited room for the wrench to swing. Repeating that process 55 times can be a tad frustrating to say the least. Just make sure that the bolts are not so long that they hit the underside of the floor boards. 

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steven Alm
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 3:52 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation

The last time I had the board out 7 or 8 years ago to change out the
control line I did it with the mast down and couldn't fit the settee board
out the companionway. It made for some pretty cramped quarters to do the
work with it in the cabin. So this time I raised the mast and was able to
get everything out of my way to do this job which is already quite a bear.
without having all that stuff in the way. And yes, I could have wrestled
the board out myself without all that rigmarole and put up with a sore back
or been simpler to get a buddy to help but I like dreaming up ways to do
things "the easy way" even though the setup takes longer than anything.
Lol! By the way, the first time I did this I found the 60 or so fasteners
around the cap were Phillips head and I must have cursed Stan's name a
thousand times struggling to get those off. Of course I changed them out to
hex head and even though it's still a pretty tedious job, I'm happy as can
be to use a socket wrench this time.

Slim
Fandango

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> I think mine weighs 80 lbs so it is a struggle to lift and carry off the
> boat. I have never removed the centerboard when the mast was up. Neat
> design.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 12:06 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
>
> Slim,
> Pretty interesting.  First time I can think of someone setting up a rig for
> removing the centerboard.  How much does that thing weigh?  I wasn't sure
> if
> you could man handle it or not.  I hope your solution to the zebra mussels
> works.  I'm thankful we don't have to deal with them (yet) where we sail.
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Steven
> Alm
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 2:35 PM
> To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
>
> I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
> Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They
> got
> up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
> hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it out
> on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as best
> we
> could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though so I
> took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom paint,
> counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was mostly
> unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I did
> get
> three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
> The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to,
> hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit
> for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and lowered
> it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve the
> problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!
>
> Slim
> Fandango
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From stevenalm at gmail.com  Mon May 16 18:02:04 2022
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 17:02:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Attaching the centerboard housing cap
In-Reply-To: <002001d86962$c6d41950$547c4bf0$@ca>
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Graham, thanks for the tip but the holes in my gasket are just snug enough
so that I have to screw the bolts in. They won't just push through, so I
don't think I could get them in from below. If I thought I'd be doing this
much more I'd drill out the gasket holes a bit and then I could use
your method for sure. It certainly is a challenge to get the washer on and
then thread the nut on, especially on the ones at the back. And I'm using
nylock nuts so you can only finger-tighten them a few turns. Then I get a
box wrench on the nut below and use the ratchet on top. I haven't tried the
drill torque clutch because some of them require more torque because of
some of the gasket holes being so tight that it messes with the needed
torque ? and I want to be careful not to over tighten them so I baby each
one carefully by hand. Definitely not something I want to do every day!!

Slim
Fandango

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 3:23 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Here is a simple suggestion that makes installing the housing cap bolts
> easier.
>
> After installing the cap repeatedly, I found that if I used hex head bolts
> and inserted them from below with the nuts on the top I could hold the
> head easily with a box head wrench and then use an electric drill with a
> torque adjustment to install the nuts. The torque adjustment can be set to
> the level you need and then will tighten all of the nuts evenly and in
> seconds. I would NOT use an impact driver as that might tighten the nuts
> too much. Installing the bolts upside down was much easier than trying to
> reach under the flange to thread the nuts on and then having very limited
> room for the wrench to swing. Repeating that process 55 times can be a tad
> frustrating to say the least. Just make sure that the bolts are not so long
> that they hit the underside of the floor boards.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Alm
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 3:52 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
>
> The last time I had the board out 7 or 8 years ago to change out the
> control line I did it with the mast down and couldn't fit the settee board
> out the companionway. It made for some pretty cramped quarters to do the
> work with it in the cabin. So this time I raised the mast and was able to
> get everything out of my way to do this job which is already quite a bear.
> without having all that stuff in the way. And yes, I could have wrestled
> the board out myself without all that rigmarole and put up with a sore back
> or been simpler to get a buddy to help but I like dreaming up ways to do
> things "the easy way" even though the setup takes longer than anything.
> Lol! By the way, the first time I did this I found the 60 or so fasteners
> around the cap were Phillips head and I must have cursed Stan's name a
> thousand times struggling to get those off. Of course I changed them out to
> hex head and even though it's still a pretty tedious job, I'm happy as can
> be to use a socket wrench this time.
>
> Slim
> Fandango
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I think mine weighs 80 lbs so it is a struggle to lift and carry off the
> > boat. I have never removed the centerboard when the mast was up. Neat
> > design.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > Lowe, Rob
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 12:06 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
> >
> > Slim,
> > Pretty interesting.  First time I can think of someone setting up a rig
> for
> > removing the centerboard.  How much does that thing weigh?  I wasn't sure
> > if
> > you could man handle it or not.  I hope your solution to the zebra
> mussels
> > works.  I'm thankful we don't have to deal with them (yet) where we sail.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Steven
> > Alm
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 2:35 PM
> > To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
> >
> > I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
> > Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They
> > got
> > up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
> > hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it
> out
> > on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as best
> > we
> > could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though so I
> > took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom
> paint,
> > counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was mostly
> > unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I did
> > get
> > three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
> > The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to,
> > hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit
> > for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and
> lowered
> > it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve
> the
> > problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!
> >
> > Slim
> > Fandango
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From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Mon May 16 20:25:08 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:25:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <DDA46756-5373-4C5A-9356-3FE79CCA03A5@gmail.com>
References: <DDA46756-5373-4C5A-9356-3FE79CCA03A5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <894A8C52-6C96-414D-BE2C-8E2F23729209@gmail.com>

1. Push up the pop top aft, until you hear two clicks.
2. Push up the pop top forward, one click.
3. Lift the front panel upward, 1 inch.
4. Stow away.


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> On May 16, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Me too!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?That looks pretty cool Patrick
>> If I built that, my wife would probably not stop complaining, but it might reduce the amplitude a bit. 
>> When you can - will you please send a pic of the installation that shows the whole assembly from the outside? 
>> Thank you for sharing your custom work - it looks great. 
>> Ric 
>> sv Dadventure 
>> Hampton Bays, NY 
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Push top up to designed position, lift the front panel 1 inch to separate everything. Now find a place to store them.
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>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Can we see some more pics? I'm very curious now. Is it permanent? It looks
>>>> like it may be removable.
>>>> 
>>>> Todd T
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022, 10:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow, that is nice.
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> Enosis
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24? high,
>>>>>> custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking in the
>>>>>> rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Chi Tak
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From canusmajor54 at gmail.com  Mon May 16 20:51:22 2022
From: canusmajor54 at gmail.com (Jeff Kantor)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:51:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <894A8C52-6C96-414D-BE2C-8E2F23729209@gmail.com>
References: <DDA46756-5373-4C5A-9356-3FE79CCA03A5@gmail.com>
 <894A8C52-6C96-414D-BE2C-8E2F23729209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+qybHEkeA_dojDf-WJYqN5Geup-XY+SQKy0Ei5UK2FMcXm6uw@mail.gmail.com>

What provides the weather seal at the deck?

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:25 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
wrote:

> 1. Push up the pop top aft, until you hear two clicks.
> 2. Push up the pop top forward, one click.
> 3. Lift the front panel upward, 1 inch.
> 4. Stow away.
>
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> > On May 16, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Me too!!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 16, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?That looks pretty cool Patrick
> >> If I built that, my wife would probably not stop complaining, but it
> might reduce the amplitude a bit.
> >> When you can - will you please send a pic of the installation that
> shows the whole assembly from the outside?
> >> Thank you for sharing your custom work - it looks great.
> >> Ric
> >> sv Dadventure
> >> Hampton Bays, NY
> >>
> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >> O -631-283-1777
> >> C- 516-965-3164
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On May 16, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Push top up to designed position, lift the front panel 1 inch to
> separate everything. Now find a place to store them.
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Can we see some more pics? I'm very curious now. Is it permanent? It
> looks
> >>>> like it may be removable.
> >>>>
> >>>> Todd T
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022, 10:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wow, that is nice.
> >>>>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>>>> Enosis
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Patrick Cheung <
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24?
> high,
> >>>>>> custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking
> in the
> >>>>>> rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Chi Tak
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
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> >>
>
-- 


Jeff Kantor
917.825.5380

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon May 16 21:09:06 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 18:09:06 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
Message-ID: <E1nqlhy-00Fee3-Jl@s152.servername.online>

I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.

--Peter

> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>
> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> 
> 


From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Mon May 16 21:13:45 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 21:13:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <E1nqlhy-00Fee3-Jl@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nqlhy-00Fee3-Jl@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <8897E4E5-5296-46FF-828B-B640E8182263@gmail.com>

White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.

Patrick

> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>> 
>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>> 
>> 
> 

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon May 16 21:15:18 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:15:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <894A8C52-6C96-414D-BE2C-8E2F23729209@gmail.com>
References: <DDA46756-5373-4C5A-9356-3FE79CCA03A5@gmail.com>
 <894A8C52-6C96-414D-BE2C-8E2F23729209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fo0WVGL1JPmHhvfUXHscwXUFizyvVVD5SAu=jLi6cdeXg@mail.gmail.com>

Nice fabrication work, thanks for sharing!

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 7:25 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
wrote:

> 1. Push up the pop top aft, until you hear two clicks.
> 2. Push up the pop top forward, one click.
> 3. Lift the front panel upward, 1 inch.
> 4. Stow away.
>
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> > On May 16, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Me too!!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 16, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?That looks pretty cool Patrick
> >> If I built that, my wife would probably not stop complaining, but it
> might reduce the amplitude a bit.
> >> When you can - will you please send a pic of the installation that
> shows the whole assembly from the outside?
> >> Thank you for sharing your custom work - it looks great.
> >> Ric
> >> sv Dadventure
> >> Hampton Bays, NY
> >>
> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >> O -631-283-1777
> >> C- 516-965-3164
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On May 16, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Push top up to designed position, lift the front panel 1 inch to
> separate everything. Now find a place to store them.
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> >>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Can we see some more pics? I'm very curious now. Is it permanent? It
> looks
> >>>> like it may be removable.
> >>>>
> >>>> Todd T
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022, 10:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wow, that is nice.
> >>>>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>>>> Enosis
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Patrick Cheung <
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24?
> high,
> >>>>>> custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking
> in the
> >>>>>> rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Chi Tak
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon May 16 23:12:04 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 23:12:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <894A8C52-6C96-414D-BE2C-8E2F23729209@gmail.com>
References: <DDA46756-5373-4C5A-9356-3FE79CCA03A5@gmail.com>
 <894A8C52-6C96-414D-BE2C-8E2F23729209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01d8699b$e2d35e20$a87a1a60$@ca>

Very impressive design and execution. Where do you store the boards when not
in use?

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Patrick Cheung
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 8:25 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure

1. Push up the pop top aft, until you hear two clicks.
2. Push up the pop top forward, one click.
3. Lift the front panel upward, 1 inch.
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> On May 16, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Me too!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:
>> 
>> ?That looks pretty cool Patrick
>> If I built that, my wife would probably not stop complaining, but it
might reduce the amplitude a bit. 
>> When you can - will you please send a pic of the installation that shows
the whole assembly from the outside? 
>> Thank you for sharing your custom work - it looks great. 
>> Ric 
>> sv Dadventure 
>> Hampton Bays, NY 
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Push top up to designed position, lift the front panel 1 inch to
separate everything. Now find a place to store them.
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>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Can we see some more pics? I'm very curious now. Is it permanent? It
looks
>>>> like it may be removable.
>>>> 
>>>> Todd T
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022, 10:42 AM Chris Geankoplis
<chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow, that is nice.
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> Enosis
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:21 AM Patrick Cheung
<chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I built this 3 sided enclosure with 1/2? exterior ply, about 24?
high,
>>>>>> custom built for my height. Now she cannot complain while cooking in
the
>>>>>> rain or wind. Working on closing up the back to keep mosquitos away
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Chi Tak
>>>>>> 
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon May 16 23:32:10 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 23:32:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Attaching the centerboard housing cap
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFBXAyi7g9pyK3N3K6h6YqR+fcGeiWXz_qcvhiiSjxuHpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFAD3ff7SXJmnEKsM7b3Kp_E=XswDkukvPHu2vkLYNZtDA@mail.gmail.com>
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Slim:

You make good points that made me realize that I had omotted some detail that might be relevant.

In my case I used a punch to cut clean but snug holes in the gasket for the bolts. I also used lock washers rather than lock nuts as I think it is easier to torque the nuts properly with the lock washers and they are certainly easier, and cheaper, to install. I prefer to tighten the nut rather than hold it and tighten the head but I don't know whether that actually makes any difference. Finally, I install all of the bolts loosely before tightening any of the nuts and when I do, I start at the centre and tighten them in sequence towards either end.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steven Alm
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Attaching the centerboard housing cap

Graham, thanks for the tip but the holes in my gasket are just snug enough
so that I have to screw the bolts in. They won't just push through, so I
don't think I could get them in from below. If I thought I'd be doing this
much more I'd drill out the gasket holes a bit and then I could use
your method for sure. It certainly is a challenge to get the washer on and
then thread the nut on, especially on the ones at the back. And I'm using
nylock nuts so you can only finger-tighten them a few turns. Then I get a
box wrench on the nut below and use the ratchet on top. I haven't tried the
drill torque clutch because some of them require more torque because of
some of the gasket holes being so tight that it messes with the needed
torque ? and I want to be careful not to over tighten them so I baby each
one carefully by hand. Definitely not something I want to do every day!!

Slim
Fandango

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 3:23 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Here is a simple suggestion that makes installing the housing cap bolts
> easier.
>
> After installing the cap repeatedly, I found that if I used hex head bolts
> and inserted them from below with the nuts on the top I could hold the
> head easily with a box head wrench and then use an electric drill with a
> torque adjustment to install the nuts. The torque adjustment can be set to
> the level you need and then will tighten all of the nuts evenly and in
> seconds. I would NOT use an impact driver as that might tighten the nuts
> too much. Installing the bolts upside down was much easier than trying to
> reach under the flange to thread the nuts on and then having very limited
> room for the wrench to swing. Repeating that process 55 times can be a tad
> frustrating to say the least. Just make sure that the bolts are not so long
> that they hit the underside of the floor boards.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Alm
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 3:52 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
>
> The last time I had the board out 7 or 8 years ago to change out the
> control line I did it with the mast down and couldn't fit the settee board
> out the companionway. It made for some pretty cramped quarters to do the
> work with it in the cabin. So this time I raised the mast and was able to
> get everything out of my way to do this job which is already quite a bear.
> without having all that stuff in the way. And yes, I could have wrestled
> the board out myself without all that rigmarole and put up with a sore back
> or been simpler to get a buddy to help but I like dreaming up ways to do
> things "the easy way" even though the setup takes longer than anything.
> Lol! By the way, the first time I did this I found the 60 or so fasteners
> around the cap were Phillips head and I must have cursed Stan's name a
> thousand times struggling to get those off. Of course I changed them out to
> hex head and even though it's still a pretty tedious job, I'm happy as can
> be to use a socket wrench this time.
>
> Slim
> Fandango
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > I think mine weighs 80 lbs so it is a struggle to lift and carry off the
> > boat. I have never removed the centerboard when the mast was up. Neat
> > design.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > Lowe, Rob
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 12:06 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
> >
> > Slim,
> > Pretty interesting.  First time I can think of someone setting up a rig
> for
> > removing the centerboard.  How much does that thing weigh?  I wasn't sure
> > if
> > you could man handle it or not.  I hope your solution to the zebra
> mussels
> > works.  I'm thankful we don't have to deal with them (yet) where we sail.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Steven
> > Alm
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 2:35 PM
> > To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
> >
> > I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
> > Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way. They
> > got
> > up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
> > hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it
> out
> > on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as best
> > we
> > could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though so I
> > took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom
> paint,
> > counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was mostly
> > unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I did
> > get
> > three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
> > The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle to,
> > hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the cockpit
> > for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and
> lowered
> > it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve
> the
> > problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!
> >
> > Slim
> > Fandango
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 16 23:40:06 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 03:40:06 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ports
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Hi Graham,

In the archives is a story about how I swapped out one of the fixed ports for an opening port on each side of the doghouse.  It turns out; that, the curvature of the doghouse is minimal at the stern most port position.  Beckson makes an opening port that is the same size and similar in appearance to the OEM factory stock fixed port.  So, the swap is pretty cheap and easy.  The doghouse has too much curvature at the middle and forward port positions to allow for opening ports at those locations.  You could also install the two of the same Beckson ports on the front of your doghouse.  At anchor, the two front ports really let in a lot of air.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2022, at 1:17 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger:
> 
> I changed the subject line to reflect the contents:
> 
> The window treatment on my boat was my own modification. The acrylic windows are a single piece and are held in place with adhesive alone. So far, 3+ years, they have remained in place.
> I posted details of the work and material at the time I did it so it should be in the archives - I can never seem to find things there. If you, or anyone else are interested in the details and can't find it in the archives I can post it again.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:55 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
> Interesting windows on your dog house.  I?ve never seen a Rhodes 22 that didn?t have 3 separate ports.
> 
> My friend with the 42 ft LOA catamaran has a conventional mainsail with lazy jacks.  They work OK; but, you have to watch that the battens don?t get fouled going up or down.  I sailed the same boat before we installed the lazy jacks and that huge mainsail was a real bear to handle! The self flaking and self storing features of the lazy jacks are nice.  It helps if the helmsman can keep the boat pointed right into the eye of the wind.  The extra work associated with rigging/unrigging the lazy jacks is also a bit of a PITA.  My friend leaves his boat in the water all spring, summer, and fall.  In the winter, the mast stay up; but, the sails, boom, and lazy jacks all come down.  We?ve got rigging/unrigging it down to a system; but, it probably adds an extra 45 minutes each time.  Often, my Boy Scout Troop helps and they love it!
> 
> Do you trailer your Rhodes 22 much?
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On May 14, 2022, at 8:32 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard.  There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on.  Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant.  On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue May 17 07:59:22 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 11:59:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
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Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,

Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take green water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom edge.  This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain, even at expressway speeds.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure

White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.

Patrick

> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>
> --Peter
>
>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>
>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>
>>
>


From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Tue May 17 08:08:35 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 08:08:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
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Hi Graham,
I am still thinking where to stow the board.
I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough height to
stow the boards.

patrick

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>
> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not moving.
> However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take green water
> over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip around the
> pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the adhesive backed
> closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom edge.  This
> foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain, even at
> expressway speeds.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>
> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>
> Patrick
>
> > On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The
> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
> >
> > --Peter
> >
> >> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> >>
> >> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Tue May 17 08:48:38 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 08:48:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bulkhead to hull tabbing
Message-ID: <CANexfAmzHb9nvFk=34JhJaZdctQk6ZrUdxUjN6t4Xd+Y4oKmHA@mail.gmail.com>

When the boat was on the trailer, I repaired the bulkhead and hull
separation, below the settee area, with epoxy filet and fiberglass tabbing.

Now that the boat is in the water, separation occurs again. The tabbing is
pulled up and off the hull, about half inch at the chine.

I am seeking advice from you Rhodies.
Should I do the repair again in water?
If I do the repair in water, what will happen with the boat on the trailer,
will the weight / force / bunk break open another section of the joint?

The starboard side repair seems to be good, no separation.

Thank you in advance,
patrick

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue May 17 09:52:33 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 09:52:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
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Several of you asked for some detail regarding the sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed.

The sail bag I had made for me. You can purchase a kit from SailRite and make your own but you need a heavy duty sewing machine to do so.

Various sail makers make sail bags although each have their own names for them. I got quotes from four sail makers with prices ranging from $490 to $800. I got mine from the Sail Warehouse (www.thesailwarehouse.com) . It was the best price and I am more than satisfied with both the quality of the workmanship, materials and service. There are a number of details that need to be established such as hank arrangement and size and exact dimensions. They were very helpful to me in sorting these matters out. That said, I am sure the other makers would be good as well. Having done this I would now be very reluctant to buy a premade sail bag. The details are important.

My main sail has a loose foot so the sail bag is attached to the boom with hanks. The need to make sure that you get ones that are the right size. This makes a pretty neat installation. If the foot of your sail uses hanks a different method of attachmet is used.

The sail bag is held up with the lazy jacks. Lazy jacks do not come with the sail bag. You can buy kits or just make your own. I made my own. You need two cheek blocks, two cleats, four small blocks (although some just use rings) and about 120' of line. I have attached a picture showing the approximate dimensions that I used. Splicing the line to the blocks is neater but bowline knots also work. I used 1/4" double braid line but I think lighter line would also be sufficient. I also installed a new topping lift line       that loops from the aft end of the boom to the masthead and then back and ties off on the boom. This line also goes through loops at the end of the sail bag.

I used PVC 3/4" tubes on the top edge of the sail bag to maintain its shape and to slip through loops in the lazy jack lines. In the fall I remove the tube which frees up the lazy jack lines and I then gather them up and lash to the mask. The sail bag and sail then slide off the boom together along with battens and stores as a unit. In the spring I slide the hanks onto the boom, insert the tubes into the sail bag together with the lazy jack lines and she is pretty much ready to go.

The only tricky part when using lazy jacks is to ensure that you are headed dead up wind when raising the sail as otherwise the battens can get caught on the lazy jack lines. That is not a big deal if you have  a crew person on the helm and you are under power.

Overall I am happy with the arrangement and can live with the tradeoffs that every system entails. The biggest advantage is that my wife is much more inclined to go sailing with me. Struggling with a lowered main sail really turns her off sailing and I don't care for it either. This system is for convenience - not speed.


Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:36 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks

Graham,

Any info on this? Was it custom made or was it an off the shelf item you
purchased?

Todd T

On Fri, May 13, 2022, 10:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the
> arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.
>
> While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned
> out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I
> have attached a picture.
>
> The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up
> easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many, not
> all,  of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue May 17 10:12:41 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:12:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bulkhead to hull tabbing
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Patrick: I had the same thing happen when I rebuilt my internal bulkhead and floor structure while the boat was on its trailer. Once in the water the hull moved out and the fiberglass tabs pulled loose. I removed the broken tabs, filled the gap between the bulkhead and hull with wedges and reapplied much more substantial tabs. Putting the boat on the trailer again had no apparent impact and the hull kept its shape much better.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cheung
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 8:49 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bulkhead to hull tabbing

When the boat was on the trailer, I repaired the bulkhead and hull
separation, below the settee area, with epoxy filet and fiberglass tabbing.

Now that the boat is in the water, separation occurs again. The tabbing is
pulled up and off the hull, about half inch at the chine.

I am seeking advice from you Rhodies.
Should I do the repair again in water?
If I do the repair in water, what will happen with the boat on the trailer,
will the weight / force / bunk break open another section of the joint?

The starboard side repair seems to be good, no separation.

Thank you in advance,
patrick


From stevenalm at gmail.com  Tue May 17 11:19:33 2022
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:19:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Attaching the centerboard housing cap
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Thanks for the clarification, Graham. That all makes a lot of sense. I too
tighten the cap down the way I learned to tighten the heads on a V8 ?
starting from the middle. I tighten to what I feel is about 90% then start
over at the middle and give each one a final turn. I don't think you can
take too much care in this. In fact I'll be doing this very thing today. I
got all the fasteners in place and finger tight a couple days ago, then had
another task that took me off the boat, so I'll try to finish up today. I
hope to splash next week some time and avoid the Memorial Day crowds at the
ramp. I still have a perplexing electrical issue (not my strong suit at
all) but that can wait. I'll probably post some questions about that later.
Thanks again!

Slim
Fandango

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:32 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Slim:
>
> You make good points that made me realize that I had omotted some detail
> that might be relevant.
>
> In my case I used a punch to cut clean but snug holes in the gasket for
> the bolts. I also used lock washers rather than lock nuts as I think it is
> easier to torque the nuts properly with the lock washers and they are
> certainly easier, and cheaper, to install. I prefer to tighten the nut
> rather than hold it and tighten the head but I don't know whether that
> actually makes any difference. Finally, I install all of the bolts loosely
> before tightening any of the nuts and when I do, I start at the centre and
> tighten them in sequence towards either end.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Alm
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:02 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Attaching the centerboard housing cap
>
> Graham, thanks for the tip but the holes in my gasket are just snug enough
> so that I have to screw the bolts in. They won't just push through, so I
> don't think I could get them in from below. If I thought I'd be doing this
> much more I'd drill out the gasket holes a bit and then I could use
> your method for sure. It certainly is a challenge to get the washer on and
> then thread the nut on, especially on the ones at the back. And I'm using
> nylock nuts so you can only finger-tighten them a few turns. Then I get a
> box wrench on the nut below and use the ratchet on top. I haven't tried the
> drill torque clutch because some of them require more torque because of
> some of the gasket holes being so tight that it messes with the needed
> torque ? and I want to be careful not to over tighten them so I baby each
> one carefully by hand. Definitely not something I want to do every day!!
>
> Slim
> Fandango
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 3:23 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Here is a simple suggestion that makes installing the housing cap bolts
> > easier.
> >
> > After installing the cap repeatedly, I found that if I used hex head
> bolts
> > and inserted them from below with the nuts on the top I could hold the
> > head easily with a box head wrench and then use an electric drill with a
> > torque adjustment to install the nuts. The torque adjustment can be set
> to
> > the level you need and then will tighten all of the nuts evenly and in
> > seconds. I would NOT use an impact driver as that might tighten the nuts
> > too much. Installing the bolts upside down was much easier than trying to
> > reach under the flange to thread the nuts on and then having very limited
> > room for the wrench to swing. Repeating that process 55 times can be a
> tad
> > frustrating to say the least. Just make sure that the bolts are not so
> long
> > that they hit the underside of the floor boards.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Steven Alm
> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 3:52 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
> >
> > The last time I had the board out 7 or 8 years ago to change out the
> > control line I did it with the mast down and couldn't fit the settee
> board
> > out the companionway. It made for some pretty cramped quarters to do the
> > work with it in the cabin. So this time I raised the mast and was able to
> > get everything out of my way to do this job which is already quite a
> bear.
> > without having all that stuff in the way. And yes, I could have wrestled
> > the board out myself without all that rigmarole and put up with a sore
> back
> > or been simpler to get a buddy to help but I like dreaming up ways to do
> > things "the easy way" even though the setup takes longer than anything.
> > Lol! By the way, the first time I did this I found the 60 or so fasteners
> > around the cap were Phillips head and I must have cursed Stan's name a
> > thousand times struggling to get those off. Of course I changed them out
> to
> > hex head and even though it's still a pretty tedious job, I'm happy as
> can
> > be to use a socket wrench this time.
> >
> > Slim
> > Fandango
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think mine weighs 80 lbs so it is a struggle to lift and carry off
> the
> > > boat. I have never removed the centerboard when the mast was up. Neat
> > > design.
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > > Kingston Ontario
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of
> > > Lowe, Rob
> > > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 12:06 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
> > >
> > > Slim,
> > > Pretty interesting.  First time I can think of someone setting up a rig
> > for
> > > removing the centerboard.  How much does that thing weigh?  I wasn't
> sure
> > > if
> > > you could man handle it or not.  I hope your solution to the zebra
> > mussels
> > > works.  I'm thankful we don't have to deal with them (yet) where we
> sail.
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > > Steven
> > > Alm
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 2:35 PM
> > > To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation
> > >
> > > I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.
> > > Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way.
> They
> > > got
> > > up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it would
> > > hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I hauled it
> > out
> > > on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk as
> best
> > > we
> > > could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that though so
> I
> > > took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative bottom
> > paint,
> > > counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was mostly
> > > unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my satisfation but I
> did
> > > get
> > > three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.
> > > The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and tackle
> to,
> > > hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the
> cockpit
> > > for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and
> > lowered
> > > it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to solve
> > the
> > > problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!
> > >
> > > Slim
> > > Fandango
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Tue May 17 12:57:23 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 12:57:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Attaching the centerboard housing cap
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I consulted the List and Stan during my project in 2019. I had suspected the gasket as a source for much of the water and dampness in the bilge.  I reported the following on replacing the CB gasket.

 

Removing the CB Cover and Gasket is fairly easy. General Boats specification calls for a ?? x 1-1/4? -20 316 grade Stainless Steel Hex Bolt, locknut and 2 fender washers for each of 50+ holes. A previous owner had omitted the 100 fender washers. The gasket showed considerable dry rot and a hole in the middle of the gasket about 1? from the forward end of the cap. (Seen in the circular shaped stain in the top right photo).  There were rust stains around most of the screws, so they may not have been 316 Stainless. To my amazement, I found that the SS fasteners that West Marine sells are 8-18 grade. They are really unsuitable for the marine environment. For a few cents more, you can get 316 grade if you look for it.  I replaced all of the hardware with ?? x 1-1/4? 316 SS Machine bolts, fender washers and lock nuts purchased from McMaster-Carr on line.

Upon removing the CB Cover. Remove the pendant tube and clamp. Lift the CB Cover and lay it upside down and take a photo of the pendant routing for reference when re-assembling. ?Respite?s? CB is the original design (same shape as rudder) and originally was configured with the 4 block lift mechanism. It was changed at some point to a single mini-block on the CB routed directly from the forward bale in the raised portion of the CB Cover, through the block to the 1? rod in the aft of the cover and through the hole leading to the pendant tube to the cockpit. (See Sketch). Whoever did this conversion did a pretty sloppy job leaving two of the original mini blocks in a cluster at the bale where the pendant is tied off. The pendant was in good shape but configuration of the pulley system had been changed, most likely during ?recycling? by General Boat. One of the original two mini blocks on the trailing edge of the CB had been eliminated and both of the two blocks in the trunk cap had been eliminated (although they were still present) I obtained a replacement gasket through Chris Cowie, a Rhodie at VoilierYachts in White Plains, MD.( If you want to buy your own gasket, purchase neoprene.) I took my CB cap to them so they could get the bolt holes properly aligned in the right pattern. Once I had the new gasket, re-assembly of the gasket and CB Cover was the reverse. I tightened the hex screws barely snug at first and then gradually tightening, side to side and then front to rear and finally snugging them down in the same sequence, taking care not to over tighten.(Do not tighten by alternating front to rear or there is a chance of a ?bubble? occurring in the gasket.)  Once you launch for the first time, check for leaks and torque the bolts as necessary, but always allow for future tightening.  I?m in my third season (2021) and it hasn?t leaked a drop!  This is a good time to paint your bilge. I did so with Petit Bilge Paint. Be sure to completely clean, scrub a rub down the bilge with the solvent recommended by Petit. I used two coats allowing to dry according to the instructions.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Steven Alm
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 11:20 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Attaching the centerboard housing cap

 

Thanks for the clarification, Graham. That all makes a lot of sense. I too tighten the cap down the way I learned to tighten the heads on a V8 ? starting from the middle. I tighten to what I feel is about 90% then start over at the middle and give each one a final turn. I don't think you can take too much care in this. In fact I'll be doing this very thing today. I got all the fasteners in place and finger tight a couple days ago, then had another task that took me off the boat, so I'll try to finish up today. I hope to splash next week some time and avoid the Memorial Day crowds at the ramp. I still have a perplexing electrical issue (not my strong suit at

all) but that can wait. I'll probably post some questions about that later.

Thanks again!

 

Slim

Fandango

 

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:32 PM Graham Stewart < <mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

 

> Slim:

> 

> You make good points that made me realize that I had omotted some 

> detail that might be relevant.

> 

> In my case I used a punch to cut clean but snug holes in the gasket 

> for the bolts. I also used lock washers rather than lock nuts as I 

> think it is easier to torque the nuts properly with the lock washers 

> and they are certainly easier, and cheaper, to install. I prefer to 

> tighten the nut rather than hold it and tighten the head but I don't 

> know whether that actually makes any difference. Finally, I install 

> all of the bolts loosely before tightening any of the nuts and when I 

> do, I start at the centre and tighten them in sequence towards either end.

> 

> Graham Stewart

> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976

> Kingston Ontario

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rhodes22-list [ <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 

> Behalf Of Steven Alm

> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:02 PM

> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List

> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Attaching the centerboard housing cap

> 

> Graham, thanks for the tip but the holes in my gasket are just snug 

> enough so that I have to screw the bolts in. They won't just push 

> through, so I don't think I could get them in from below. If I thought 

> I'd be doing this much more I'd drill out the gasket holes a bit and 

> then I could use your method for sure. It certainly is a challenge to 

> get the washer on and then thread the nut on, especially on the ones 

> at the back. And I'm using nylock nuts so you can only finger-tighten 

> them a few turns. Then I get a box wrench on the nut below and use the 

> ratchet on top. I haven't tried the drill torque clutch because some 

> of them require more torque because of some of the gasket holes being 

> so tight that it messes with the needed torque ? and I want to be 

> careful not to over tighten them so I baby each one carefully by hand. Definitely not something I want to do every day!!

> 

> Slim

> Fandango

> 

> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 3:23 PM Graham Stewart < <mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>

> wrote:

> 

> > Here is a simple suggestion that makes installing the housing cap 

> > bolts easier.

> >

> > After installing the cap repeatedly, I found that if I used hex head

> bolts

> > and inserted them from below with the nuts on the top I could hold 

> > the head easily with a box head wrench and then use an electric 

> > drill with a torque adjustment to install the nuts. The torque 

> > adjustment can be set

> to

> > the level you need and then will tighten all of the nuts evenly and 

> > in seconds. I would NOT use an impact driver as that might tighten 

> > the nuts too much. Installing the bolts upside down was much easier 

> > than trying to reach under the flange to thread the nuts on and then 

> > having very limited room for the wrench to swing. Repeating that 

> > process 55 times can be a

> tad

> > frustrating to say the least. Just make sure that the bolts are not 

> > so

> long

> > that they hit the underside of the floor boards.

> >

> > Graham Stewart

> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976

> > Kingston Ontario

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Rhodes22-list [ <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On

> Behalf

> > Of Steven Alm

> > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 3:52 PM

> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List

> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation

> >

> > The last time I had the board out 7 or 8 years ago to change out the 

> > control line I did it with the mast down and couldn't fit the settee

> board

> > out the companionway. It made for some pretty cramped quarters to do 

> > the work with it in the cabin. So this time I raised the mast and 

> > was able to get everything out of my way to do this job which is 

> > already quite a

> bear.

> > without having all that stuff in the way. And yes, I could have 

> > wrestled the board out myself without all that rigmarole and put up 

> > with a sore

> back

> > or been simpler to get a buddy to help but I like dreaming up ways 

> > to do things "the easy way" even though the setup takes longer than anything.

> > Lol! By the way, the first time I did this I found the 60 or so 

> > fasteners around the cap were Phillips head and I must have cursed 

> > Stan's name a thousand times struggling to get those off. Of course 

> > I changed them out

> to

> > hex head and even though it's still a pretty tedious job, I'm happy 

> > as

> can

> > be to use a socket wrench this time.

> >

> > Slim

> > Fandango

> >

> > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:09 PM Graham Stewart < <mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > I think mine weighs 80 lbs so it is a struggle to lift and carry 

> > > off

> the

> > > boat. I have never removed the centerboard when the mast was up. 

> > > Neat design.

> > >

> > > Graham Stewart

> > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976

> > > Kingston Ontario

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: Rhodes22-list [ <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On

> > Behalf

> > > Of

> > > Lowe, Rob

> > > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 12:06 PM

> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List

> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation

> > >

> > > Slim,

> > > Pretty interesting.  First time I can think of someone setting up 

> > > a rig

> > for

> > > removing the centerboard.  How much does that thing weigh?  I 

> > > wasn't

> sure

> > > if

> > > you could man handle it or not.  I hope your solution to the zebra

> > mussels

> > > works.  I'm thankful we don't have to deal with them (yet) where 

> > > we

> sail.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 

> > > Of Steven Alm

> > > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 2:35 PM

> > > To: Rhodes < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>

> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zebra Mussel Mitigation

> > >

> > > I keep my boat on Lake Pepin which is actually The Mississippi River.

> > > Unfortunately it's become infested with zebra mussels in a big way.

> They

> > > got

> > > up inside the centerboard trunk and jammed up the board so bad it 

> > > would hardly move up and down. At one point mid-season last year I 

> > > hauled it

> > out

> > > on the marina's big travel lift and power sprayed up in the trunk 

> > > as

> best

> > > we

> > > could and it was better for a while. I can't keep doing that 

> > > though so

> I

> > > took the board out and painted it with anti-fouling ablative 

> > > bottom

> > paint,

> > > counting on the fact that they can't attach to the paint. I was 

> > > mostly unable to prep /sand the inside of the trunk to my 

> > > satisfation but I

> did

> > > get

> > > three coats of paint down there with the weenie roller on a stick.

> > > The fun part was the trolly I fabricated to hook the block and 

> > > tackle

> to,

> > > hoisted the board up and rolled it across the boom and out to the

> cockpit

> > > for prep and paint. Then hoisted it back up, rolled it back in and

> > lowered

> > > it into place. (see pictures) I'm counting on the bottom paint to 

> > > solve

> > the

> > > problem. I truly hope not to be doing this again!!

> > >

> > > Slim

> > > Fandango

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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue May 17 15:17:02 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 15:17:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks
In-Reply-To: <CAFTyJNXPGe4D3XtgWiCuvbt=XTNt4i4+1Fa-SaFsAitYovodGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
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Message-ID: <007301d86a22$b0c3bd80$124b3880$@ca>

Whether you have slugs or not or you sail bolt goes into the track will determine the design of the sail bag so you need to make sure the company understand your configuration.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:38 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lasy jacks

Hey Graham, do you have to have sail slugs for that to work?

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 10:26 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> For those with the conventional rig, you might be interested in the
> arrangements of sail bag and lazy jacks that I installed on my 76 Rhodes.
>
> While this arrangement will not likely help you win races, it has turned
> out to be a very convenient way to raise, lower and store the mainsail. I
> have attached a picture.
>
> The sail just drops into the bag when lowered and the cover zips up
> easily. I no longer have to struggle with sail management. It has many, not
> all,  of the benefits of the IMF with none of the complications or cost.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
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From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Tue May 17 16:39:15 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 16:39:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CANexfAnTjeOmdZK2WqyuuJq3=V=3+jifA38AWJBM3ycnetO--Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAnTjeOmdZK2WqyuuJq3=V=3+jifA38AWJBM3ycnetO--Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50ACDE5C-8D66-4ED3-B474-E047362CCF7D@gmail.com>

Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.

Patrick


> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Graham,
> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough height to stow the boards.
> 
> patrick
> 
>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>> 
>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take green water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom edge.  This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain, even at expressway speeds.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>> 
>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> > On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>> >
>> > --Peter
>> >
>> >> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> 
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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Tue May 17 16:44:00 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 16:44:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <50ACDE5C-8D66-4ED3-B474-E047362CCF7D@gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAnTjeOmdZK2WqyuuJq3=V=3+jifA38AWJBM3ycnetO--Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPgvAEnfAqW0_FaX3nPxqkPT4FLU_O3ZAuw9sqySsHrzmb1XAA@mail.gmail.com>

Very impressive!

On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:

> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> > On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi Graham,
> > I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> > I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough height to
> stow the boards.
> >
> > patrick
> >
> >> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
> >>
> >> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take green
> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the
> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom edge.
> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain, even at
> expressway speeds.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
> >>
> >> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> >>
> >> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >> > On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The
> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
> >> >
> >> > --Peter
> >> >
> >> >> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
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From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Tue May 17 17:13:26 2022
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 17:13:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEnfAqW0_FaX3nPxqkPT4FLU_O3ZAuw9sqySsHrzmb1XAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANexfAnTjeOmdZK2WqyuuJq3=V=3+jifA38AWJBM3ycnetO--Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <50ACDE5C-8D66-4ED3-B474-E047362CCF7D@gmail.com>
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I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Very impressive!
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > > On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?
> > > Hi Graham,
> > > I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> > > I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
> > previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough height
> to
> > stow the boards.
> > >
> > > patrick
> > >
> > >> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
> > >>
> > >> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
> > moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take
> green
> > water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
> > around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the
> > adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom edge.
> > This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain, even
> at
> > expressway speeds.
> > >>
> > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>
> > >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > Windows
> > >>
> > >> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > >> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> > >>
> > >> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
> > >>
> > >> Patrick
> > >>
> > >> > On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The
> > raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
> > >> >
> > >> > --Peter
> > >> >
> > >> >> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
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From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Tue May 17 23:24:42 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 22:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with Run Rail
Message-ID: <D0368378-EEB6-487B-89C3-3F2B1E2B4100@gmail.com>

Hello one and all. Can anyone ID who makes rub rail?  The existing rub rail is on three sections. The damaged bit extends about 4 feet down each side, which I?d like to replace.
Thanks for your time and insight. 

Rodney 
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed May 18 06:50:36 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 06:50:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with Run Rail
In-Reply-To: <D0368378-EEB6-487B-89C3-3F2B1E2B4100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6284cf84.1c69fb81.b0623.15ab@mx.google.com>

Taco MarineSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed May 18 07:04:01 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 07:04:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with Run Rail
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Taco MarineSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed May 18 08:28:13 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 08:28:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CAPD+wLEOrjA9M=79qvcCdWuR5Dn-XgQAB6JXh7pfGD6G2fqYow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPD+wLEOrjA9M=79qvcCdWuR5Dn-XgQAB6JXh7pfGD6G2fqYow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF14503D-141F-4ABF-A325-975718FF3E76@stottarchitecture.com>

We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look. 
I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever support was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the cockpit sole for more. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
> 
>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Very impressive!
>> 
>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>>> 
>>> Patrick
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough height
>> to
>>> stow the boards.
>>>> 
>>>> patrick
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take
>> green
>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the
>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom edge.
>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain, even
>> at
>>> expressway speeds.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>> 
>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The
>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>> 

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed May 18 09:43:18 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:43:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CF14503D-141F-4ABF-A325-975718FF3E76@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <CAPD+wLEOrjA9M=79qvcCdWuR5Dn-XgQAB6JXh7pfGD6G2fqYow@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920A338B4F518DC01DBB50A80D19@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Patrick,

I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.  However, I have two questions:


  1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop top enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway hatch opening that is not shown in the picture?
  2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy screens, insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your hard pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?

The following 6 pictures are from the archives:

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[cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]

[cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]

[cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]

[cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]

[cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]

As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel behind the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.

Do you sail with your hard pop top up?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure

We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever support was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the cockpit sole for more.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Very impressive!
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough height
>> to
>>> stow the boards.
>>>>
>>>> patrick
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take
>> green
>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the
>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom edge.
>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain, even
>> at
>>> expressway speeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=ysvpwNHbwU4NxKoY%2FU%2FlFDTChknp9qwkgql3sZ7X4Fc%3D&amp;reserved=0> for
>>> Windows
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>
>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The
>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed May 18 14:29:12 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:29:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rub Rail Replacement
Message-ID: <004d01d86ae5$317fbe20$947f3a60$@gmail.com>

Here is my Project Summary from my Rub Rail replacement.  Hope this helps:

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rodney Brown
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 11:25 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with Run Rail

Hello one and all. Can anyone ID who makes rub rail?  The existing rub rail is on three sections. The damaged bit extends about 4 feet down each side, which I?d like to replace.
Thanks for your time and insight. 

Rodney 
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed May 18 14:36:30 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:36:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RUB RAIL REPLACEMENT
Message-ID: <005801d86ae6$34891110$9d9b3330$@gmail.com>

One more time! Here is my Project Summary from my Rub Rail Replacement:

 

The rub rail on ?Respite? was damaged pretty badly in her slip during a storm. Numerous screws were pulled out and the two piece rail was damaged and scuffed (photo).  I decided on the replacement route. The existing rail was a two piece design by Taco Marine consisting of a black rigid PVC rail (PN: V21-9678BKA20) and a soft white insert (V12-4144WH**). The rigid rail is 1-1/2? X 5/8? comes in 20? sections and overlaps the cabin/hull joint. The insert comes in 50? and 70? rolls. 

There are numerous YouTube videos on line via West Marine, Taco Marine or Jamestown Supply so I won?t go into the process here other than to discuss some of the things that I did that may or may not prove beneficial. 

First, I filled all of the previous screw holes, and there were many, with 3m 5200 Sealant. Although they would be covered by the rigid rub rail, I trimmed the excess of each with a razor scrapper.

Second, as a precautionary measure, since I have been fighting leaks from somewhere, I inspected the cap/hull seam-joint and there were places that it seemed to show some separation and dryness. Using a Dremel tool with cutter wheel, I cut out a groove the entire perimeter of the joint in the old sealant and using 3M 4200, I caulked the entire joint insuring to get up into the groove I had made as well as any other spots that seemed compromised. I used 4200 because this joint was going to be covered with the rigid rub rail, would provide a bed for the lower edge of the rail and 5200 would become permanent which would preclude any future removal/repair/replacement of the rail.

 



 



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rodney Brown
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 11:25 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with Run Rail

 

Hello one and all. Can anyone ID who makes rub rail?  The existing rub rail is on three sections. The damaged bit extends about 4 feet down each side, which I?d like to replace.

Thanks for your time and insight. 

 

Rodney 

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From davidmberg at mac.com  Wed May 18 14:45:55 2022
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:45:55 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
Message-ID: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>

Good afternoon,

I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer parts. 

I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

David Berg
Blue Loon
Minneapolis


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From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Wed May 18 14:48:17 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:48:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RUB RAIL REPLACEMENT
In-Reply-To: <005801d86ae6$34891110$9d9b3330$@gmail.com>
References: <005801d86ae6$34891110$9d9b3330$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <310F2C0B-A049-43C1-809B-B5ABC8C4063A@gmail.com>

Thx Joe! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2022, at 13:36, Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?One more time! Here is my Project Summary from my Rub Rail Replacement:
> 
> 
> 
> The rub rail on ?Respite? was damaged pretty badly in her slip during a storm. Numerous screws were pulled out and the two piece rail was damaged and scuffed (photo).  I decided on the replacement route. The existing rail was a two piece design by Taco Marine consisting of a black rigid PVC rail (PN: V21-9678BKA20) and a soft white insert (V12-4144WH**). The rigid rail is 1-1/2? X 5/8? comes in 20? sections and overlaps the cabin/hull joint. The insert comes in 50? and 70? rolls. 
> 
> There are numerous YouTube videos on line via West Marine, Taco Marine or Jamestown Supply so I won?t go into the process here other than to discuss some of the things that I did that may or may not prove beneficial. 
> 
> First, I filled all of the previous screw holes, and there were many, with 3m 5200 Sealant. Although they would be covered by the rigid rub rail, I trimmed the excess of each with a razor scrapper.
> 
> Second, as a precautionary measure, since I have been fighting leaks from somewhere, I inspected the cap/hull seam-joint and there were places that it seemed to show some separation and dryness. Using a Dremel tool with cutter wheel, I cut out a groove the entire perimeter of the joint in the old sealant and using 3M 4200, I caulked the entire joint insuring to get up into the groove I had made as well as any other spots that seemed compromised. I used 4200 because this joint was going to be covered with the rigid rub rail, would provide a bed for the lower edge of the rail and 5200 would become permanent which would preclude any future removal/repair/replacement of the rail.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rodney Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 11:25 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with Run Rail
> 
> 
> 
> Hello one and all. Can anyone ID who makes rub rail?  The existing rub rail is on three sections. The damaged bit extends about 4 feet down each side, which I?d like to replace.
> 
> Thanks for your time and insight. 
> 
> 
> 
> Rodney 
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed May 18 14:50:28 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:50:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36YBkPz99Jp7sgchidedeUUn=Epa3pdexfYpfQCt+NXKWg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any hardware
store has nylon replacements.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that
> the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer
> parts.
>
> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that
> releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> David Berg
> Blue Loon
> Minneapolis
>
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From davidmberg at mac.com  Wed May 18 14:53:02 2022
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:53:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YBkPz99Jp7sgchidedeUUn=Epa3pdexfYpfQCt+NXKWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
 <CABkv36YBkPz99Jp7sgchidedeUUn=Epa3pdexfYpfQCt+NXKWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801d86ae8$813b6560$83b23020$@mac.com>

Rick,

 

I?ve seen that answer here before, but it doesn?t seem correct! Perhaps. Does the IMF have to come out to replace them?

 

Dave

 

From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:50 PM
To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

 

Hi David,

 

Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any hardware store has nylon replacements.




Regards,

Rick Lange

 

 

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > wrote:

Good afternoon,

I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer parts. 

I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

David Berg
Blue Loon
Minneapolis


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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Wed May 18 14:56:53 2022
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:56:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <001801d86ae8$813b6560$83b23020$@mac.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
 <CABkv36YBkPz99Jp7sgchidedeUUn=Epa3pdexfYpfQCt+NXKWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <001801d86ae8$813b6560$83b23020$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRpBJJ0G0e2PoTC_K47QS68g+uG7JO---YUwA6NX-5d8UQ@mail.gmail.com>

? ? You can remove and replace the IMF mainsail without touching the
spreaders.
Cary
Claytor Lake, VA

On Wed, May 18, 2022, 2:53 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Rick,
>
>
>
> I?ve seen that answer here before, but it doesn?t seem correct! Perhaps.
> Does the IMF have to come out to replace them?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:50 PM
> To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
>
>
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
> Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any hardware
> store has nylon replacements.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > wrote:
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that
> the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer
> parts.
>
> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that
> releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> David Berg
> Blue Loon
> Minneapolis
>
>
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed May 18 14:56:52 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:56:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <001801d86ae8$813b6560$83b23020$@mac.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
 <CABkv36YBkPz99Jp7sgchidedeUUn=Epa3pdexfYpfQCt+NXKWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <001801d86ae8$813b6560$83b23020$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36bA5O4OOcfNW4Tck7Zcz7i0wDdtjwo47kh5VEUiNEYVDg@mail.gmail.com>

No, they have nothing to do with furling.  How do you mean my answer isn't
correct?

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:53 PM DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com> wrote:

> Rick,
>
>
>
> I?ve seen that answer here before, but it doesn?t seem correct! Perhaps.
> Does the IMF have to come out to replace them?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:50 PM
> *To:* DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
>
>
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
> Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any hardware
> store has nylon replacements.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that
> the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer
> parts.
>
> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that
> releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> David Berg
> Blue Loon
> Minneapolis
>
>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed May 18 15:05:23 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:05:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YBkPz99Jp7sgchidedeUUn=Epa3pdexfYpfQCt+NXKWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
 <CABkv36YBkPz99Jp7sgchidedeUUn=Epa3pdexfYpfQCt+NXKWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Rick,
As I recall, there are tapered nylon shims that separate the spreaders from the mast. I believe that Dwyer Aluminum Mast Co. shows them as well.

Joe Dempsey
SV Respite
Deltaville, VA 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 2:50 PM
To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

Hi David,

Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any hardware store has nylon replacements.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my 
> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears 
> that the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are 
> Dwyer parts.
>
> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing 
> that releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> David Berg
> Blue Loon
> Minneapolis
>
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From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Wed May 18 15:05:40 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:05:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
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Ric,
Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the starboard
cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side panels
sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on top. I
need straps to tie the 3 panels down.

Roger,
Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of language,
please see pictures attached.
Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole top up
for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should be able
to sew this strip with ease now.

I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The rigid
panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the cabin.

Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
survived all points of sail, top stay put.
It is still a work in progress.

Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.

patrick






On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.  However, I
> have two questions:
>
>
>   1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop top
> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway hatch
> opening that is not shown in the picture?
>   2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy screens,
> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your hard
> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
>
> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
>
> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
>
> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
>
> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
>
> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
>
> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
>
> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
>
> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely
> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel behind
> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
> folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.
>
> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>
> We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever support
> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the
> cockpit sole for more.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
> >
> >> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Very impressive!
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
> >>>
> >>> Patrick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?
> >>>> Hi Graham,
> >>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> >>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
> >>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
> height
> >> to
> >>> stow the boards.
> >>>>
> >>>> patrick
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
> >>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take
> >> green
> >>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
> >>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the
> >>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom
> edge.
> >>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain,
> even
> >> at
> >>> expressway speeds.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from Mail<
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=ysvpwNHbwU4NxKoY%2FU%2FlFDTChknp9qwkgql3sZ7X4Fc%3D&amp;reserved=0>
> for
> >>> Windows
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> >>>>>
> >>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The
> >>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --Peter
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Wed May 18 15:10:31 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:10:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
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> On May 18, 2022, at 9:43 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Patrick,
> 
> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.  However, I have two questions:
> 
> 
>  1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop top enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway hatch opening that is not shown in the picture?
>  2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy screens, insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your hard pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
> 
> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
> 
> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
> 
> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
> 
> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
> 
> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
> 
> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
> 
> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70]
> 
> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel behind the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.
> 
> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> 
> We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever support was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the cockpit sole for more.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very impressive!
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>>>> 
>>>> Patrick
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough height
>>> to
>>>> stow the boards.
>>>>> 
>>>>> patrick
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take
>>> green
>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the
>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom edge.
>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain, even
>>> at
>>>> expressway speeds.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=ysvpwNHbwU4NxKoY%2FU%2FlFDTChknp9qwkgql3sZ7X4Fc%3D&amp;reserved=0> for
>>>> Windows
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The
>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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From davidmberg at mac.com  Wed May 18 15:22:22 2022
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:22:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
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Sorry, the part of the question regarding the IMF was related to removing the bolts that hold the spreaders not the washer/shims. 

 

How about the spring loaded pin that holds the pop top carriage?

 

David Berg

Blue Loon

Minneapolis

 

From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:57 PM
To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>
Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

 

No, they have nothing to do with furling.  How do you mean my answer isn't correct?




Regards,

Rick Lange

 

 

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:53 PM DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com <mailto:davidmberg at mac.com> > wrote:

Rick,

 

I?ve seen that answer here before, but it doesn?t seem correct! Perhaps. Does the IMF have to come out to replace them?

 

Dave

 

From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com <mailto:sloopblueheron at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:50 PM
To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com <mailto:davidmberg at mac.com> >; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> >
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

 

Hi David,

 

Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any hardware store has nylon replacements.




Regards,

Rick Lange

 

 

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > wrote:

Good afternoon,

I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer parts. 

I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

David Berg
Blue Loon
Minneapolis


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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed May 18 15:37:25 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:37:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
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Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on the cockpit sole. 
Ric 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ric,
> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the starboard
> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side panels
> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on top. I
> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
> 
> Roger,
> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of language,
> please see pictures attached.
> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole top up
> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should be able
> to sew this strip with ease now.
> 
> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The rigid
> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the cabin.
> 
> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
> It is still a work in progress.
> 
> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
> 
> patrick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Patrick,
>> 
>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.  However, I
>> have two questions:
>> 
>> 
>>  1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop top
>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway hatch
>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
>>  2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy screens,
>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your hard
>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
>> 
>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
>> 
>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>> 
>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>> 
>> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>> 
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>> 
>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>> 
>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>> 
>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely
>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel behind
>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
>> folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.
>> 
>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>> 
>> We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever support
>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the
>> cockpit sole for more.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Very impressive!
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
>> height
>>>> to
>>>>> stow the boards.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> patrick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take
>>>> green
>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the
>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom
>> edge.
>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain,
>> even
>>>> at
>>>>> expressway speeds.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
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>> for
>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The
>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>>>>>>>> 
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed May 18 16:01:06 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 16:01:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <006c01d86aea$3d78fb60$b86af220$@gmail.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
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Joe,

For years, my standard nylon washers have maintained spacing without
deterioration.  They are made to deform.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 3:05 PM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rick,
> As I recall, there are tapered nylon shims that separate the spreaders
> from the mast. I believe that Dwyer Aluminum Mast Co. shows them as well.
>
> Joe Dempsey
> SV Respite
> Deltaville, VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Rick Lange
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 2:50 PM
> To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
>
> Hi David,
>
> Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any hardware
> store has nylon replacements.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
> > spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears
> > that the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are
> > Dwyer parts.
> >
> > I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing
> > that releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that
> matter).
> >
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > David Berg
> > Blue Loon
> > Minneapolis
> >
> >
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed May 18 16:09:45 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 16:09:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <001801d86ae8$813b6560$83b23020$@mac.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
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Hi David,

The nylon (white) pieces have not been "deformed". They were manufactured to match the curve of the mast so that the spreader is straight out from the mast, not swept back. They actually look fine. Why do you want to replace them?

To replace the bolt, tapered shim, washer, etc., you need access to the inside of the mast. The mast must be lowered and the IMF removed (slid out the bottom). An open end box wrench is needed inside and a deep socket wrench inside the 1" tube into which the spreader is inserted.

I am not sure what "pin" you need. I attached a picture (look all the way down to the bottom of the email to find the link to the image). If this is what you are looking for, you should speak to Stan at General Boats (or Charles) for the replacement parts. Replacement will also require lowering the mast as the components are inserted from the bottom.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 2:53 PM
To: 'Rick Lange' <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

Rick,

 

I?ve seen that answer here before, but it doesn?t seem correct! Perhaps. Does the IMF have to come out to replace them?

 

Dave

 

From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:50 PM
To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

 Hi David,

 Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any hardware store has nylon replacements.

Regards,
Rick Lange

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > wrote:

Good afternoon,

I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer parts. 

I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

David Berg
Blue Loon
Minneapolis


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From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Wed May 18 16:23:37 2022
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:23:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <000001d86af3$39153d00$ab3fb700$@ebsmed.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <CANbEFCvyt-TQs4h5Wd4uE0OCbsx=RAnPRuk5zWKrSUMEAobhrQ@mail.gmail.com>

On a related topic, how much play should there be in the spreaders when the
mast is down. Mine seem quite loose when they are down and tend to be
slightly offset when the mast is raised.

Matt Wilson
Hornblower II

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 3:09 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> The nylon (white) pieces have not been "deformed". They were manufactured
> to match the curve of the mast so that the spreader is straight out from
> the mast, not swept back. They actually look fine. Why do you want to
> replace them?
>
> To replace the bolt, tapered shim, washer, etc., you need access to the
> inside of the mast. The mast must be lowered and the IMF removed (slid out
> the bottom). An open end box wrench is needed inside and a deep socket
> wrench inside the 1" tube into which the spreader is inserted.
>
> I am not sure what "pin" you need. I attached a picture (look all the way
> down to the bottom of the email to find the link to the image). If this is
> what you are looking for, you should speak to Stan at General Boats (or
> Charles) for the replacement parts. Replacement will also require lowering
> the mast as the components are inserted from the bottom.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 2:53 PM
> To: 'Rick Lange' <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
>
> Rick,
>
>
>
> I?ve seen that answer here before, but it doesn?t seem correct! Perhaps.
> Does the IMF have to come out to replace them?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:50 PM
> To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
>
>  Hi David,
>
>  Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any hardware
> store has nylon replacements.
>
> Regards,
> Rick Lange
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > wrote:
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that
> the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer
> parts.
>
> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that
> releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> David Berg
> Blue Loon
> Minneapolis
>
>
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed May 18 16:26:29 2022
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:26:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCvyt-TQs4h5Wd4uE0OCbsx=RAnPRuk5zWKrSUMEAobhrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
 <CABkv36YBkPz99Jp7sgchidedeUUn=Epa3pdexfYpfQCt+NXKWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Same here, seems fine when rigged, by design.

On Wed, May 18, 2022, 3:23 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> On a related topic, how much play should there be in the spreaders when the
> mast is down. Mine seem quite loose when they are down and tend to be
> slightly offset when the mast is raised.
>
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower II
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 3:09 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > The nylon (white) pieces have not been "deformed". They were manufactured
> > to match the curve of the mast so that the spreader is straight out from
> > the mast, not swept back. They actually look fine. Why do you want to
> > replace them?
> >
> > To replace the bolt, tapered shim, washer, etc., you need access to the
> > inside of the mast. The mast must be lowered and the IMF removed (slid
> out
> > the bottom). An open end box wrench is needed inside and a deep socket
> > wrench inside the 1" tube into which the spreader is inserted.
> >
> > I am not sure what "pin" you need. I attached a picture (look all the way
> > down to the bottom of the email to find the link to the image). If this
> is
> > what you are looking for, you should speak to Stan at General Boats (or
> > Charles) for the replacement parts. Replacement will also require
> lowering
> > the mast as the components are inserted from the bottom.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 2:53 PM
> > To: 'Rick Lange' <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> >
> >
> > I?ve seen that answer here before, but it doesn?t seem correct! Perhaps.
> > Does the IMF have to come out to replace them?
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:50 PM
> > To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
> >
> >  Hi David,
> >
> >  Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any
> hardware
> > store has nylon replacements.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rick Lange
> >
> > On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > wrote:
> >
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
> > spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that
> > the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer
> > parts.
> >
> > I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that
> > releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
> >
> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > David Berg
> > Blue Loon
> > Minneapolis
> >
> >
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From davidmberg at mac.com  Wed May 18 17:18:03 2022
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 16:18:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <000001d86af3$39153d00$ab3fb700$@ebsmed.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
 <CABkv36YBkPz99Jp7sgchidedeUUn=Epa3pdexfYpfQCt+NXKWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <000501d86afc$c2f8d5a0$48ea80e0$@mac.com>

Mike,

Thanks for the detailed response. This spring I found pieces of one of the (broken) white washers lying on the deck. Mast is down. I quickly determined that is was from the spreader. The other one looks like it is not further behind. In other words it looks deteriorated and ready to break.

As for other questions regarding  the play, mine spreaders are very loose and was thinking they should be tightened. Others report the same condition, so maybe no worries? Does everyone leave the spreaders attached to the mast while traveling? 

The detent spring pin I keep asking about is for the pop top slider carriage. I assume it is the same as the one for the mast slider carriage. It has a pull ring to release the carriage to move positions. The one for my pop top is non-functional, so I can't use the sliding carriage. I have been using a quick pin to hold the pop top as I hold up the pop top in the up position with my head. I'm guessing that I need to remove the IMF to get that slider out to replace the spring pin, but I'm not sure how that spring pin works, or how it is attached etc.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 3:10 PM
To: 'DAVID BERG' <davidmberg at mac.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

Hi David,

The nylon (white) pieces have not been "deformed". They were manufactured to match the curve of the mast so that the spreader is straight out from the mast, not swept back. They actually look fine. Why do you want to replace them?

To replace the bolt, tapered shim, washer, etc., you need access to the inside of the mast. The mast must be lowered and the IMF removed (slid out the bottom). An open end box wrench is needed inside and a deep socket wrench inside the 1" tube into which the spreader is inserted.

I am not sure what "pin" you need. I attached a picture (look all the way down to the bottom of the email to find the link to the image). If this is what you are looking for, you should speak to Stan at General Boats (or Charles) for the replacement parts. Replacement will also require lowering the mast as the components are inserted from the bottom.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 2:53 PM
To: 'Rick Lange' <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

Rick,

 

I?ve seen that answer here before, but it doesn?t seem correct! Perhaps. Does the IMF have to come out to replace them?

 

Dave

 

From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:50 PM
To: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

 Hi David,

 Your washers are "tapered" because they have been deformed.  Any hardware store has nylon replacements.

Regards,
Rick Lange

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > wrote:

Good afternoon,

I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer parts. 

I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

David Berg
Blue Loon
Minneapolis


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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed May 18 17:37:08 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 14:37:08 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
Message-ID: <E1nrRLw-00GvYe-PF@s152.servername.online>

Dave,

The 'pop top slider pin' is a 'spring plunger' - at least that's what McMaster-Carr calls it.  More specifically, what you're looking for is a 'Pull Ring Retractable Spring Plunger'. These are available from McMaster-Carr in 316 stainless in a variety of configurations.  Hopefully, one of them matches what Stan used.

If you're not familiar with the McMaster-Carr website, for much of their inventory if you click on an individual item number, and then in the pop-up window click on the 'Product Detail' link, you will get a page with lots of details, usually including very helpful diagrams.

Best of Luck,

--Peter




From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Wed May 18 17:37:46 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 17:37:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <72730BAA-0DAB-4A57-BA97-C438F31079EF@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <72730BAA-0DAB-4A57-BA97-C438F31079EF@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <88A607B5-A731-4438-87BE-B6320F87BE2E@gmail.com>

Hi Ric,

Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of the bench seat?

Thanks,
Patrick


> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on the cockpit sole. 
> Ric 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ric,
>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the starboard
>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side panels
>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on top. I
>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
>> 
>> Roger,
>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of language,
>> please see pictures attached.
>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole top up
>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should be able
>> to sew this strip with ease now.
>> 
>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The rigid
>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the cabin.
>> 
>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
>> It is still a work in progress.
>> 
>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
>> 
>> patrick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Patrick,
>>> 
>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.  However, I
>>> have two questions:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop top
>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway hatch
>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy screens,
>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your hard
>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
>>> 
>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
>>> 
>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>> 
>>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>> 
>>> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>> 
>>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>> 
>>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>> 
>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>> 
>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely
>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel behind
>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
>>> folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.
>>> 
>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>> 
>>> We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever support
>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the
>>> cockpit sole for more.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very impressive!
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
>>> height
>>>>> to
>>>>>> stow the boards.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> patrick
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take
>>>>> green
>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the
>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom
>>> edge.
>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain,
>>> even
>>>>> at
>>>>>> expressway speeds.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
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>>> for
>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The
>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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From davidmberg at mac.com  Wed May 18 17:55:45 2022
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 16:55:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <E1nrRLw-00GvYe-PF@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nrRLw-00GvYe-PF@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <000901d86b02$07affbb0$170ff310$@mac.com>

Peter,

Thank you for that. I will get the thing apart and find out if they have one that works. I'll report my findings when the mission is complete or aborted!

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 4:37 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

Dave,

The 'pop top slider pin' is a 'spring plunger' - at least that's what McMaster-Carr calls it.  More specifically, what you're looking for is a 'Pull Ring Retractable Spring Plunger'. These are available from McMaster-Carr in 316 stainless in a variety of configurations.  Hopefully, one of them matches what Stan used.

If you're not familiar with the McMaster-Carr website, for much of their inventory if you click on an individual item number, and then in the pop-up window click on the 'Product Detail' link, you will get a page with lots of details, usually including very helpful diagrams.

Best of Luck,

--Peter





From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed May 18 23:19:54 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 22:19:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
References: <000601d86ae7$82862a50$87927ef0$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXfmVm0817efFfWN9DYWhy=b2Hqtof7QxyoayqeVmUc3w@mail.gmail.com>

Good idea to replace the bolt and unlock nut. You do not need to remove the
IMF tube to do this. Use all new bolts and nut.  I reused the old nylock
nut and lost the spreader in a squall, damn near lost the mast. Alice was
not so happy. I had to use a boat hook to re tension the port shroud and
limp into the marina in Elba, see picture.

The shims you can make if you can?t get them from Stan.

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 1:45 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that
> the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer
> parts.
>
> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that
> releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> David Berg
> Blue Loon
> Minneapolis
>
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From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Thu May 19 07:33:18 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 07:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXfmVm0817efFfWN9DYWhy=b2Hqtof7QxyoayqeVmUc3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXfmVm0817efFfWN9DYWhy=b2Hqtof7QxyoayqeVmUc3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6D7E13C-E562-45C6-A80E-D9FD9108AE2D@gmail.com>

Chris, is that a radar reflector?

Patrick


> On May 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Good idea to replace the bolt and unlock nut. You do not need to remove the
> IMF tube to do this. Use all new bolts and nut.  I reused the old nylock
> nut and lost the spreader in a squall, damn near lost the mast. Alice was
> not so happy. I had to use a boat hook to re tension the port shroud and
> limp into the marina in Elba, see picture.
> 
> The shims you can make if you can?t get them from Stan.
> 
>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 1:45 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good afternoon,
>> 
>> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
>> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears that
>> the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer
>> parts.
>> 
>> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that
>> releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
>> 
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> David Berg
>> Blue Loon
>> Minneapolis
>> 
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From wpdavidge at gmail.com  Thu May 19 09:18:41 2022
From: wpdavidge at gmail.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 09:18:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <E6D7E13C-E562-45C6-A80E-D9FD9108AE2D@gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXfmVm0817efFfWN9DYWhy=b2Hqtof7QxyoayqeVmUc3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <E6D7E13C-E562-45C6-A80E-D9FD9108AE2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJpQT53+P=sN2-Q6s3W9NoPx_CjU0drjC8F8DZt0=DHgF1jKUQ@mail.gmail.com>

can someone remove me from this website

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:33 AM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris, is that a radar reflector?
>
> Patrick
>
>
> > On May 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Good idea to replace the bolt and unlock nut. You do not need to remove
> the
> > IMF tube to do this. Use all new bolts and nut.  I reused the old nylock
> > nut and lost the spreader in a squall, damn near lost the mast. Alice was
> > not so happy. I had to use a boat hook to re tension the port shroud and
> > limp into the marina in Elba, see picture.
> >
> > The shims you can make if you can?t get them from Stan.
> >
> >> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 1:45 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Good afternoon,
> >>
> >> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
> >> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears
> that
> >> the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer
> >> parts.
> >>
> >> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that
> >> releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
> >>
> >> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> David Berg
> >> Blue Loon
> >> Minneapolis
> >>
> >>
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu May 19 10:21:31 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 10:21:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <88A607B5-A731-4438-87BE-B6320F87BE2E@gmail.com>
References: <72730BAA-0DAB-4A57-BA97-C438F31079EF@stottarchitecture.com>
 <88A607B5-A731-4438-87BE-B6320F87BE2E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2BE8AC11-18C7-4C6C-AC3A-1E67C9A3C332@stottarchitecture.com>

I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think of and they are both personal:
1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but easy to get to and close to their intended purpose.
2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be there.
Here?s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches better than if they lived on the cockpit sole. 
 
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ric,
> 
> Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of the bench seat?
> 
> Thanks,
> Patrick
> 
> 
>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on the cockpit sole. 
>> Ric 
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ric,
>>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the starboard
>>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side panels
>>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on top. I
>>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
>>> 
>>> Roger,
>>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of language,
>>> please see pictures attached.
>>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole top up
>>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
>>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should be able
>>> to sew this strip with ease now.
>>> 
>>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The rigid
>>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the cabin.
>>> 
>>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
>>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
>>> It is still a work in progress.
>>> 
>>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
>>> 
>>> patrick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>> 
>>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.  However, I
>>>> have two questions:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
>>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop top
>>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway hatch
>>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
>>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
>>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy screens,
>>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your hard
>>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
>>>> 
>>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
>>>> 
>>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>>> 
>>>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70 <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>>> 
>>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely
>>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel behind
>>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
>>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
>>>> folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
>>>> 
>>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>> 
>>>> We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
>>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever support
>>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the
>>>> cockpit sole for more.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
>>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Very impressive!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
>>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the bulkhead. I
>>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
>>>> height
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> stow the boards.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> patrick
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
>>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever take
>>>>>> green
>>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised lip
>>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about the
>>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom
>>>> edge.
>>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain,
>>>> even
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> expressway speeds.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
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>>>> for
>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.  The
>>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu May 19 10:27:46 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 09:27:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <E6D7E13C-E562-45C6-A80E-D9FD9108AE2D@gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXfmVm0817efFfWN9DYWhy=b2Hqtof7QxyoayqeVmUc3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <E6D7E13C-E562-45C6-A80E-D9FD9108AE2D@gmail.com>
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Good catch. You mean the two 1.5 l bottles with their bottoms fastened
together in front of the approaching giant tsunami?   The boat was in
Mexico when I met a German engineer who swore by it. The crumpled aluminum
foil is the reflector part. I ran it up on the flag halyard and had a
friend hit it with his radar. Then did the same with the standard
reflector. Liter bottle system was just as good. The engineer did state
that the crumpled foil configuration was a variable, so you should test
your product before relying on it. The liter bottle was my secondary
reflector, never can be too careful when sailing in PNW fog or night
sailing in More remote places like Mexico and busy places like the Med.
Even Florida can have thick fog in the spring.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:33 AM Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris, is that a radar reflector?
>
> Patrick
>
>
> > On May 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Good idea to replace the bolt and unlock nut. You do not need to remove
> the
> > IMF tube to do this. Use all new bolts and nut.  I reused the old nylock
> > nut and lost the spreader in a squall, damn near lost the mast. Alice was
> > not so happy. I had to use a boat hook to re tension the port shroud and
> > limp into the marina in Elba, see picture.
> >
> > The shims you can make if you can?t get them from Stan.
> >
> >> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 1:45 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Good afternoon,
> >>
> >> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
> >> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears
> that
> >> the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are Dwyer
> >> parts.
> >>
> >> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing that
> >> releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
> >>
> >> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> David Berg
> >> Blue Loon
> >> Minneapolis
> >>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu May 19 10:36:36 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 09:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <2BE8AC11-18C7-4C6C-AC3A-1E67C9A3C332@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <72730BAA-0DAB-4A57-BA97-C438F31079EF@stottarchitecture.com>
 <88A607B5-A731-4438-87BE-B6320F87BE2E@gmail.com>
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You could store them in the same manner as the cockpit filler cushions and
boards?

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
> For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think of and
> they are both personal:
> 1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but easy to
> get to and close to their intended purpose.
> 2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be there.
> Here?s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches better
> than if they lived on the cockpit sole.
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ric,
> >
> > Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of the
> bench seat?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold
> the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on the
> cockpit sole.
> >> Ric
> >>
> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >> O -631-283-1777
> >> C- 516-965-3164
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ric,
> >>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the
> starboard
> >>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side
> panels
> >>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on top.
> I
> >>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
> >>>
> >>> Roger,
> >>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of
> language,
> >>> please see pictures attached.
> >>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole
> top up
> >>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
> >>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should be
> able
> >>> to sew this strip with ease now.
> >>>
> >>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The rigid
> >>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the
> cabin.
> >>>
> >>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
> >>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
> >>> It is still a work in progress.
> >>>
> >>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
> >>>
> >>> patrick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Patrick,
> >>>>
> >>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.
> However, I
> >>>> have two questions:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
> >>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop
> top
> >>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway
> hatch
> >>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
> >>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
> >>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy
> screens,
> >>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your
> hard
> >>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
> >>>>
> >>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> <cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> <cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> <cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>
> >>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>
> >>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely
> >>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel
> behind
> >>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
> >>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
> >>>> folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <
> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:
> ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> >>>>
> >>>> We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
> >>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever
> support
> >>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the
> >>>> cockpit sole for more.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
> >>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Very impressive!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
> >>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> >>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the
> bulkhead. I
> >>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
> >>>> height
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> stow the boards.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> patrick
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
> >>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever
> take
> >>>>>> green
> >>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised
> lip
> >>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about
> the
> >>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom
> >>>> edge.
> >>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain,
> >>>> even
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>>> expressway speeds.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
> >>>>
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=ysvpwNHbwU4NxKoY%2FU%2FlFDTChknp9qwkgql3sZ7X4Fc%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> >>
> >>>> for
> >>>>>>> Windows
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.
> The
> >>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --Peter
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu May 19 10:53:22 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 10:53:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUVTnRg3Rdo1mCA9=k8M7FWwmoPx6ZtWVqvgm40K_1tWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUVTnRg3Rdo1mCA9=k8M7FWwmoPx6ZtWVqvgm40K_1tWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <469324BD-3725-4428-A98C-5E42E7314674@stottarchitecture.com>

I don?t have the benefit of owning those items so I don?t know how it where they are stowed. 
Ric
Dadventure. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?You could store them in the same manner as the cockpit filler cushions and
> boards?
> 
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
>> For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think of and
>> they are both personal:
>> 1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but easy to
>> get to and close to their intended purpose.
>> 2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be there.
>> Here?s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches better
>> than if they lived on the cockpit sole.
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ric,
>>> 
>>> Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of the
>> bench seat?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patrick
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold
>> the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on the
>> cockpit sole.
>>>> Ric
>>>> 
>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ric,
>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the
>> starboard
>>>>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side
>> panels
>>>>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on top.
>> I
>>>>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger,
>>>>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of
>> language,
>>>>> please see pictures attached.
>>>>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole
>> top up
>>>>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
>>>>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should be
>> able
>>>>> to sew this strip with ease now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The rigid
>>>>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the
>> cabin.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
>>>>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
>>>>> It is still a work in progress.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> patrick
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
>> <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.
>> However, I
>>>>>> have two questions:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
>>>>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop
>> top
>>>>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway
>> hatch
>>>>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
>>>>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
>>>>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy
>> screens,
>>>>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your
>> hard
>>>>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
>> <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>>>>> 
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>> <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>>>>> 
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>> <cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
>> <cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
>> <cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
>> <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely
>>>>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel
>> behind
>>>>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
>>>>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
>>>>>> folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <
>> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
>>>>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever
>> support
>>>>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the
>>>>>> cockpit sole for more.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
>>>>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Very impressive!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <
>> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <
>> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the
>> bulkhead. I
>>>>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
>>>>>> height
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> stow the boards.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> patrick
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
>> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
>>>>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever
>> take
>>>>>>>> green
>>>>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised
>> lip
>>>>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about
>> the
>>>>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom
>>>>>> edge.
>>>>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain,
>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> expressway speeds.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:
>> chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <
>> peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.
>> The
>>>>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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From davidmberg at mac.com  Thu May 19 14:14:28 2022
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 13:14:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <E6D7E13C-E562-45C6-A80E-D9FD9108AE2D@gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXfmVm0817efFfWN9DYWhy=b2Hqtof7QxyoayqeVmUc3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <E6D7E13C-E562-45C6-A80E-D9FD9108AE2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01d86bac$49b78320$dd268960$@mac.com>

Chris,

Thank you. That looks like a very scary situation you had there!  You're saying I can access those bolts in the mast without removing the IMF? That's welcome news. I haven't looked closely at it yet, but seemed like there may not be room in there for access.

Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:33 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin

Chris, is that a radar reflector?

Patrick


> On May 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Good idea to replace the bolt and unlock nut. You do not need to 
> remove the IMF tube to do this. Use all new bolts and nut.  I reused 
> the old nylock nut and lost the spreader in a squall, damn near lost 
> the mast. Alice was not so happy. I had to use a boat hook to re 
> tension the port shroud and limp into the marina in Elba, see picture.
> 
> The shims you can make if you can?t get them from Stan.
> 
>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 1:45 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list < 
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good afternoon,
>> 
>> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my 
>> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears 
>> that the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are 
>> Dwyer parts.
>> 
>> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing 
>> that releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that matter).
>> 
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> David Berg
>> Blue Loon
>> Minneapolis
>> 
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu May 19 14:58:03 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 13:58:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
In-Reply-To: <006c01d86bac$49b78320$dd268960$@mac.com>
References: <CADNTwiXfmVm0817efFfWN9DYWhy=b2Hqtof7QxyoayqeVmUc3w@mail.gmail.com>
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It is a single long hex head and single nylock nut. There is a fixed furle
(sp) in the mast. Not sure how it is fixed or how well so be careful. The
furle takes the compression force of the tightened bolt so you don?t deform
and weaken the hollow mast at that point.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 1:14 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Thank you. That looks like a very scary situation you had there!  You're
> saying I can access those bolts in the mast without removing the IMF?
> That's welcome news. I haven't looked closely at it yet, but seemed like
> there may not be room in there for access.
>
> Dave
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:33 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: DAVID BERG <davidmberg at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader bolt / washer - pop top slider pin
>
> Chris, is that a radar reflector?
>
> Patrick
>
>
> > On May 18, 2022, at 11:20 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Good idea to replace the bolt and unlock nut. You do not need to
> > remove the IMF tube to do this. Use all new bolts and nut.  I reused
> > the old nylock nut and lost the spreader in a squall, damn near lost
> > the mast. Alice was not so happy. I had to use a boat hook to re
> > tension the port shroud and limp into the marina in Elba, see picture.
> >
> > The shims you can make if you can?t get them from Stan.
> >
> >> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 1:45 PM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Good afternoon,
> >>
> >> I need to replace the tapered washers and possibly the bolts for my
> >> spreaders. I only inspected briefly, and in the rain, but it appears
> >> that the IMF must be removed to do this work. I'm assuming these are
> >> Dwyer parts.
> >>
> >> I also need a new spring detent pin, or whatever you call the thing
> >> that releases the pop top carriage (or the boom carriage for that
> matter).
> >>
> >> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> David Berg
> >> Blue Loon
> >> Minneapolis
> >>
> >>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu May 19 15:00:53 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 14:00:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
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References: <CADNTwiUVTnRg3Rdo1mCA9=k8M7FWwmoPx6ZtWVqvgm40K_1tWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiVsogHTF_Ug=eszMx13fMoHi2OozYBDD+JHCW+4YmgH8g@mail.gmail.com>

I?ll see if I can find a picture.
Chris G

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:53 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> I don?t have the benefit of owning those items so I don?t know how it
> where they are stowed.
> Ric
> Dadventure.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 19, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?You could store them in the same manner as the cockpit filler cushions
> and
> > boards?
> >
> >> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
> >> For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think of
> and
> >> they are both personal:
> >> 1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but easy to
> >> get to and close to their intended purpose.
> >> 2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be
> there.
> >> Here?s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches better
> >> than if they lived on the cockpit sole.
> >>
> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >> O -631-283-1777
> >> C- 516-965-3164
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Ric,
> >>>
> >>> Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of
> the
> >> bench seat?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Patrick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold
> >> the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on
> the
> >> cockpit sole.
> >>>> Ric
> >>>>
> >>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >>>> O -631-283-1777
> >>>> C- 516-965-3164
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ric,
> >>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the
> >> starboard
> >>>>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side
> >> panels
> >>>>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on
> top.
> >> I
> >>>>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger,
> >>>>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of
> >> language,
> >>>>> please see pictures attached.
> >>>>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole
> >> top up
> >>>>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
> >>>>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should
> be
> >> able
> >>>>> to sew this strip with ease now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The
> rigid
> >>>>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the
> >> cabin.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
> >>>>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
> >>>>> It is still a work in progress.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> patrick
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >> <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Patrick,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.
> >> However, I
> >>>>>> have two questions:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
> >>>>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop
> >> top
> >>>>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway
> >> hatch
> >>>>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
> >>>>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
> >>>>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy
> >> screens,
> >>>>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your
> >> hard
> >>>>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> >> <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits
> loosely
> >>>>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel
> >> behind
> >>>>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
> >>>>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
> >>>>>> folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <
> >> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
> >>>>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever
> >> support
> >>>>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on
> the
> >>>>>> cockpit sole for more.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
> >>>>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Very impressive!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <
> >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <
> >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
> >>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> >>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the
> >> bulkhead. I
> >>>>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
> >>>>>> height
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> stow the boards.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> patrick
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> >> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is
> not
> >>>>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever
> >> take
> >>>>>>>> green
> >>>>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised
> >> lip
> >>>>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and
> bottom
> >>>>>> edge.
> >>>>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving
> rain,
> >>>>>> even
> >>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>> expressway speeds.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
> >>>>>>
> >>
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=ysvpwNHbwU4NxKoY%2FU%2FlFDTChknp9qwkgql3sZ7X4Fc%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> >>
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> >>>>
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> Windows
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:
> >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <
> >> peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.
> >> The
> >>>>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --Peter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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From liznray15 at gmail.com  Thu May 19 18:10:54 2022
From: liznray15 at gmail.com (Liz and Ray)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 18:10:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1995 Rhodes 22 For Sale
Message-ID: <CAOQT4E-7xiBwTVEPJGrPdvR8XzJsGR3vnfyRJT77fjU7sEXy2w@mail.gmail.com>

"Yankee Clipper" is a cruise ready boat with many General Boat upgrades.

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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Thu May 19 18:33:23 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 17:33:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVsogHTF_Ug=eszMx13fMoHi2OozYBDD+JHCW+4YmgH8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUVTnRg3Rdo1mCA9=k8M7FWwmoPx6ZtWVqvgm40K_1tWQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <469324BD-3725-4428-A98C-5E42E7314674@stottarchitecture.com>
 <CADNTwiVsogHTF_Ug=eszMx13fMoHi2OozYBDD+JHCW+4YmgH8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpa0kesU8AOMqjZ3CuHDtijw6t=mGdoNqNEJiNSh0nE6Q@mail.gmail.com>

I store my homemade cockpit filler planks vertically on the port side
behind the cockpit bench against the hull, and butting up against
the cabin.  I added some mounts to keep everything in place and it seems to
work well.  They are out of the way and it allows for more storage
containers since there's still plenty of room right under the bench.  Since
I took these photos, I've added some thin HDPE pieces along the bottom to
keep the wood off the cockpit sole and let water drain.  See attachment for
the setup.  Perhaps Chris is referring to a similar setup.  I don't use the
cockpit filler planks often so it's not a big deal to dig them out
occasionally, but I wouldn't want to have to do that for every sail and it
sounds like you might use your enclosure frequently.

Jesse

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 2:01 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I?ll see if I can find a picture.
> Chris G
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:53 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I don?t have the benefit of owning those items so I don?t know how it
> > where they are stowed.
> > Ric
> > Dadventure.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 19, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?You could store them in the same manner as the cockpit filler cushions
> > and
> > > boards?
> > >
> > >> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
> > >> For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think of
> > and
> > >> they are both personal:
> > >> 1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but easy
> to
> > >> get to and close to their intended purpose.
> > >> 2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be
> > there.
> > >> Here?s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches
> better
> > >> than if they lived on the cockpit sole.
> > >>
> > >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > >> O -631-283-1777
> > >> C- 516-965-3164
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Ric,
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of
> > the
> > >> bench seat?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Patrick
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ?Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to
> hold
> > >> the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down
> on
> > the
> > >> cockpit sole.
> > >>>> Ric
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > >>>> O -631-283-1777
> > >>>> C- 516-965-3164
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Ric,
> > >>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the
> > >> starboard
> > >>>>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side
> > >> panels
> > >>>>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on
> > top.
> > >> I
> > >>>>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Roger,
> > >>>>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of
> > >> language,
> > >>>>> please see pictures attached.
> > >>>>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the
> whole
> > >> top up
> > >>>>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings
> and
> > >>>>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should
> > be
> > >> able
> > >>>>> to sew this strip with ease now.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The
> > rigid
> > >>>>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the
> > >> cabin.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up.
> Duck
> > >>>>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
> > >>>>> It is still a work in progress.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> patrick
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > >> <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Patrick,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.
> > >> However, I
> > >>>>>> have two questions:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
> > >>>>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard
> pop
> > >> top
> > >>>>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway
> > >> hatch
> > >>>>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
> > >>>>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
> > >>>>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy
> > >> screens,
> > >>>>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does
> your
> > >> hard
> > >>>>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > >> <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > >> <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > >> <cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > >> <cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > >> <cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > >> <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits
> > loosely
> > >>>>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the
> gunnel
> > >> behind
> > >>>>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it
> in
> > >>>>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6
> illustrated
> > >>>>>> folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> > >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <
> > >> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:
> > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
> > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
> > >>>>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever
> > >> support
> > >>>>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on
> > the
> > >>>>>> cockpit sole for more.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
> > >>>>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Very impressive!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <
> > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Patrick
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <
> > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> ?
> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
> > >>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> > >>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the
> > >> bulkhead. I
> > >>>>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's
> enough
> > >>>>>> height
> > >>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>> stow the boards.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> patrick
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > >> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is
> > not
> > >>>>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or
> ever
> > >> take
> > >>>>>>>> green
> > >>>>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the
> raised
> > >> lip
> > >>>>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct
> about
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and
> > bottom
> > >>>>>> edge.
> > >>>>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving
> > rain,
> > >>>>>> even
> > >>>>>>>> at
> > >>>>>>>>> expressway speeds.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> > >>>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=ysvpwNHbwU4NxKoY%2FU%2FlFDTChknp9qwkgql3sZ7X4Fc%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >> <
> > >>
> >
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=ysvpwNHbwU4NxKoY%2FU%2FlFDTChknp9qwkgql3sZ7X4Fc%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>> Windows
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:
> > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> > >>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom
> edge.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <
> > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain
> out.
> > >> The
> > >>>>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water
> out.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --Peter
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
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From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Thu May 19 19:41:48 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 18:41:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Rub Rail question: opinions on a couple of
	possible options
Message-ID: <F7A559BB-7CEE-4E31-894D-8831E0499BEC@gmail.com>


 First a shout out to Joe Dempsey for providing the info on the Taco Marine Product he used.  While researching I came across some interesting potential options.  Is the idea to help seal the deck/hull joint with lower flange of the material that is scr by applying a sealant to the top edge of the lip? Or just to cover the joint?  Any way these looked like interesting options to t semi rigid material that is currently on the boat.  One appealing feature of the the suproflex is how easyily it can be i
installed. 

Any thoughts or ideas on these options, or others is deeply appreciated. 


First, 2  the offerings from  Tessilmare:


https://rubrails-tessilmare.com/bino-40 <https://rubrails-tessilmare.com/bino-40>


https://rubrails-tessilmare.com/radial-40 <https://rubrails-tessilmare.com/radial-40>


The last is another Taco Marine Product:  

https://tacomarine.com/rub-rail-suproflex-rub-rail-v11-9950 <https://tacomarine.com/rub-rail-suproflex-rub-rail-v11-9950>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Thu May 19 20:30:41 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 20:30:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Rub Rail question: opinions on a couple
 of possible options
In-Reply-To: <F7A559BB-7CEE-4E31-894D-8831E0499BEC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6286e133.1c69fb81.a4a5c.c87f@mx.google.com>

Rodney,I don't think it is intended to seal the joint. BTW, my rail was black with a white insert.? I notice you have a red insert, which Stan apparently has used. You may not be able to find a color other than black or white.?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville,? VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com> Date: 5/19/22  7:42 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another Rub Rail question: opinions on a couple of possible options  First a shout out to Joe Dempsey for providing the info on the Taco Marine Product he used.? While researching I came across some interesting potential options.? Is the idea to help seal the deck/hull joint with lower flange of the material that is scr by applying a sealant to the top edge of the lip? Or just to cover the joint?? Any way these looked like interesting options to t semi rigid material that is currently on the boat.? One appealing feature of the the suproflex is how easyily it can be iinstalled. Any thoughts or ideas on these options, or others is deeply appreciated. First, 2? the offerings from? Tessilmare:https://rubrails-tessilmare.com/bino-40 <https://rubrails-tessilmare.com/bino-40>https://rubrails-tessilmare.com/radial-40 <https://rubrails-tessilmare.com/radial-40>The last is another Taco Marine Product:? https://tacomarine.com/rub-rail-suproflex-rub-rail-v11-9950 <https://tacomarine.com/rub-rail-suproflex-rub-rail-v11-9950>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu May 19 21:51:06 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2022 20:51:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fpa0kesU8AOMqjZ3CuHDtijw6t=mGdoNqNEJiNSh0nE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUVTnRg3Rdo1mCA9=k8M7FWwmoPx6ZtWVqvgm40K_1tWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAMc-3fpa0kesU8AOMqjZ3CuHDtijw6t=mGdoNqNEJiNSh0nE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiX4-hiMENSBwF_uz1OJ9otQdNPwQJq3gzpmn-1ftLSqiw@mail.gmail.com>

That is indeed the setup I was talking about, just can?t find the pictures.
Thanks
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 5:33 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I store my homemade cockpit filler planks vertically on the port side
> behind the cockpit bench against the hull, and butting up against
> the cabin.  I added some mounts to keep everything in place and it seems to
> work well.  They are out of the way and it allows for more storage
> containers since there's still plenty of room right under the bench.  Since
> I took these photos, I've added some thin HDPE pieces along the bottom to
> keep the wood off the cockpit sole and let water drain.  See attachment for
> the setup.  Perhaps Chris is referring to a similar setup.  I don't use the
> cockpit filler planks often so it's not a big deal to dig them out
> occasionally, but I wouldn't want to have to do that for every sail and it
> sounds like you might use your enclosure frequently.
>
> Jesse
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 2:01 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I?ll see if I can find a picture.
> > Chris G
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:53 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don?t have the benefit of owning those items so I don?t know how it
> > > where they are stowed.
> > > Ric
> > > Dadventure.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On May 19, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?You could store them in the same manner as the cockpit filler
> cushions
> > > and
> > > > boards?
> > > >
> > > >> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ric Stott <
> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
> > > >> For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think
> of
> > > and
> > > >> they are both personal:
> > > >> 1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but
> easy
> > to
> > > >> get to and close to their intended purpose.
> > > >> 2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be
> > > there.
> > > >> Here?s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches
> > better
> > > >> than if they lived on the cockpit sole.
> > > >>
> > > >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > >> O -631-283-1777
> > > >> C- 516-965-3164
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <
> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi Ric,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom
> of
> > > the
> > > >> bench seat?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks,
> > > >>> Patrick
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ?Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to
> > hold
> > > >> the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down
> > on
> > > the
> > > >> cockpit sole.
> > > >>>> Ric
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > >>>> O -631-283-1777
> > > >>>> C- 516-965-3164
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <
> > chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Ric,
> > > >>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the
> > > >> starboard
> > > >>>>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two
> side
> > > >> panels
> > > >>>>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on
> > > top.
> > > >> I
> > > >>>>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Roger,
> > > >>>>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of
> > > >> language,
> > > >>>>> please see pictures attached.
> > > >>>>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the
> > whole
> > > >> top up
> > > >>>>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings
> > and
> > > >>>>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I
> should
> > > be
> > > >> able
> > > >>>>> to sew this strip with ease now.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The
> > > rigid
> > > >>>>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving
> the
> > > >> cabin.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up.
> > Duck
> > > >>>>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
> > > >>>>> It is still a work in progress.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> patrick
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > >> <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Patrick,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.
> > > >> However, I
> > > >>>>>> have two questions:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off
> the
> > > >>>>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard
> > pop
> > > >> top
> > > >>>>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the
> companionway
> > > >> hatch
> > > >>>>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
> > > >>>>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure
> have
> > > >>>>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy
> > > >> screens,
> > > >>>>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does
> > your
> > > >> hard
> > > >>>>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and
> privacy?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image004.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image006.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image008.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image010.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image011.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> [cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70
> > > >> <cid:image012.jpg at 01D86A9B.BDE55C70>]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits
> > > loosely
> > > >>>>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the
> > gunnel
> > > >> behind
> > > >>>>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep
> it
> > in
> > > >>>>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6
> > illustrated
> > > >>>>>> folding steps, although it?s easier on the dock or a lawn.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <
> > > >> https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for Windows
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:
> > > >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
> > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
> > > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> We?ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
> > > >>>>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever
> > > >> support
> > > >>>>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room
> on
> > > the
> > > >>>>>> cockpit sole for more.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
> > > >>>>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> ?I?m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Very impressive!
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <
> > > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Patrick
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <
> > > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> ?
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the
> > > >> bulkhead. I
> > > >>>>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's
> > enough
> > > >>>>>> height
> > > >>>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> stow the boards.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> patrick
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > >> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat
> is
> > > not
> > > >>>>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or
> > ever
> > > >> take
> > > >>>>>>>> green
> > > >>>>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the
> > raised
> > > >> lip
> > > >>>>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct
> > about
> > > >> the
> > > >>>>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and
> > > bottom
> > > >>>>>> edge.
> > > >>>>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving
> > > rain,
> > > >>>>>> even
> > > >>>>>>>> at
> > > >>>>>>>>> expressway speeds.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C17ace04c9a2045a740f108da38c9e2d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637884737002251430%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=ysvpwNHbwU4NxKoY%2FU%2FlFDTChknp9qwkgql3sZ7X4Fc%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>> for
> > > >>>>>>>>> Windows
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com
> <mailto:
> > > >> chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom
> > edge.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <
> > > >> peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ?I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain
> > out.
> > > >> The
> > > >>>>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water
> > out.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> --Peter
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
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> > >
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From jwiberg at wi.rr.com  Fri May 20 10:47:36 2022
From: jwiberg at wi.rr.com (John)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 09:47:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Message-ID: <921185A0-9A18-4A9C-BC6B-22BEF32CE470@wi.rr.com>

While replacing the centerboard pennant on our Rhodes, I damaged the cap gasket and need to replace it.  Emails to stan at generalboats.com <mailto:stan at generalboats.com> and stan at rhodes22.com <mailto:stan at rhodes22.com> over the last couple of weeks requesting information about a replacement have gone unanswered.  Does anyone know of an alternate source for a precut gasket? Or failing that, a source for the appropriate material for cutting one myself.

Thanks,
John

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Fri May 20 10:53:21 2022
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 14:53:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <921185A0-9A18-4A9C-BC6B-22BEF32CE470@wi.rr.com>
References: <921185A0-9A18-4A9C-BC6B-22BEF32CE470@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <950529109.438932.1653058401960@mail.yahoo.com>

charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts.? Hope this helps Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: John <jwiberg at wi.rr.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Fri, May 20, 2022 10:47 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket

While replacing the centerboard pennant on our Rhodes, I damaged the cap gasket and need to replace it.? Emails to stan at generalboats.com <mailto:stan at generalboats.com> and stan at rhodes22.com <mailto:stan at rhodes22.com> over the last couple of weeks requesting information about a replacement have gone unanswered.? Does anyone know of an alternate source for a precut gasket? Or failing that, a source for the appropriate material for cutting one myself.

Thanks,
John

From jwiberg at wi.rr.com  Fri May 20 11:11:48 2022
From: jwiberg at wi.rr.com (John Wiberg)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 10:11:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <950529109.438932.1653058401960@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <921185A0-9A18-4A9C-BC6B-22BEF32CE470@wi.rr.com>
 <950529109.438932.1653058401960@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9AF43551-31C1-4195-A95F-7458A0512834@wi.rr.com>

Thanks Mark.  I?ll Give a try.  John

> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts.  Hope this helps Mark
> 


From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri May 20 12:00:04 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 12:00:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <9AF43551-31C1-4195-A95F-7458A0512834@wi.rr.com>
References: <9AF43551-31C1-4195-A95F-7458A0512834@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4484BE45-F6C8-44A2-8B32-F05125D1E99C@verizon.net>

Butyl tape might be an option or permatex form-a-gasket if Charles can?t get it.
Scott A. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Mark.  I?ll Give a try.  John
> 
>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts.  Hope this helps Mark
>> 
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri May 20 12:08:45 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 12:08:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <4484BE45-F6C8-44A2-8B32-F05125D1E99C@verizon.net>
References: <9AF43551-31C1-4195-A95F-7458A0512834@wi.rr.com>
 <4484BE45-F6C8-44A2-8B32-F05125D1E99C@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000d01d86c63$e36d1a90$aa474fb0$@ebsmed.com>

Six years ago I posted this to the list as an alternate source for the gasket material. I used it and it works well.

http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2016-April/079600.html

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:00 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket

Butyl tape might be an option or permatex form-a-gasket if Charles can?t get it.
Scott A. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Mark.  I?ll Give a try.  John
> 
>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts.  Hope this helps Mark
>> 
> 


From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Fri May 20 12:15:41 2022
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 12:15:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <9AF43551-31C1-4195-A95F-7458A0512834@wi.rr.com>
References: <9AF43551-31C1-4195-A95F-7458A0512834@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E3E06AE6-DC57-4270-9D90-5C6832CF2347@gmail.com>

You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.

NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material, Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Mark.  I?ll Give a try.  John
> 
>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts.  Hope this helps Mark
>> 
> 

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri May 20 17:41:24 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 17:41:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <E3E06AE6-DC57-4270-9D90-5C6832CF2347@gmail.com>
References: <9AF43551-31C1-4195-A95F-7458A0512834@wi.rr.com>
 <E3E06AE6-DC57-4270-9D90-5C6832CF2347@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01d86c92$5b0a5b20$111f1160$@ebsmed.com>

This product is too thin and not wide enough.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket

You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.

NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material, Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Mark.  I?ll Give a try.  John
> 
>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts.  Hope this helps Mark
>> 
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri May 20 17:45:06 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 17:45:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <4484BE45-F6C8-44A2-8B32-F05125D1E99C@verizon.net>
References: <9AF43551-31C1-4195-A95F-7458A0512834@wi.rr.com>
 <4484BE45-F6C8-44A2-8B32-F05125D1E99C@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <006001d86c92$e04171c0$a0c45540$@ebsmed.com>

I think that you really need a thick gasket to make up for the uneven surface of the fiberglass cap and trunk. Besides, Formatex will make it difficult to separate the cap from the trunk in the future.

Lastly, this gasket keeps your Rhodes 22 AFLOAT! You should maintain a material that can withstand the stresses and pressures. 

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:00 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket

Butyl tape might be an option or permatex form-a-gasket if Charles can?t get it.
Scott A. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Mark.  I?ll Give a try.  John
> 
>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts.  Hope this helps Mark
>> 
> 


From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Fri May 20 18:33:56 2022
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 18:33:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <005f01d86c92$5b0a5b20$111f1160$@ebsmed.com>
References: <005f01d86c92$5b0a5b20$111f1160$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <C385DFD8-BFA1-4A45-A674-316D8A583B52@gmail.com>

Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
> 
> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
> 
> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material, Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks Mark.  I?ll Give a try.  John
>> 
>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts.  Hope this helps Mark
>>> 
>> 
> 

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat May 21 05:50:15 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 05:50:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <921185A0-9A18-4A9C-BC6B-22BEF32CE470@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6288b5ec.1c69fb81.a7653.51ce@mx.google.com>

Contact Chris Cowie. Hes on the List.?ccowie at voilieryachts.comSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: John <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> Date: 5/20/22  10:47 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket While replacing the centerboard pennant on our Rhodes, I damaged the cap gasket and need to replace it.? Emails to stan at generalboats.com <mailto:stan at generalboats.com> and stan at rhodes22.com <mailto:stan at rhodes22.com> over the last couple of weeks requesting information about a replacement have gone unanswered.? Does anyone know of an alternate source for a precut gasket? Or failing that, a source for the appropriate material for cutting one myself.Thanks,John

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat May 21 12:26:38 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 16:26:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
	May 23rd
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB692020EDEFC786ECBF87153D80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB692020EDEFC786ECBF87153D80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.

I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.  Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!

I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me luck!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows



From rrago54 at gmail.com  Sat May 21 13:30:28 2022
From: rrago54 at gmail.com (ricardo rago)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 13:30:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
 May 23rd
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB692020EDEFC786ECBF87153D80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+tt-SNBmOQGnWZA7hY+WcYUxB9J1cBoMt9-TRYmVFqF1pe71A@mail.gmail.com>

Roger, best and warmest wishes.
Let's hope that everything will go according to plan and Tuesday night
you'll resting on your own bed at home.

Good Luck!

Kind Regards,

Thanks.

Ricardo A. Rago

On Sat, May 21, 2022, 12:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23,
> 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The
> procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me
> overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
>
> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.
> Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to
> see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested
> positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test
> now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result
> on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I
> had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back
> negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when
> the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test
> result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it
> didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If
> I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one
> of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to
> start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
>
> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me
> luck!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat May 21 13:41:58 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 12:41:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
 May 23rd
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB692020EDEFC786ECBF87153D80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUSJuaXSHgpqweVnXi7CDba2_B-FZZwHSBHY9kJDzoigQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with your concerns. And yes good luck.
Chris G

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 11:26 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23,
> 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The
> procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me
> overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
>
> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.
> Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to
> see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested
> positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test
> now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result
> on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I
> had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back
> negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when
> the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test
> result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it
> didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If
> I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one
> of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to
> start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
>
> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me
> luck!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
>
>

From chcarreon at cox.net  Sat May 21 17:45:12 2022
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 17:45:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
 May 23rd
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB692020EDEFC786ECBF87153D80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1252281902.959721.1653169512082@myemail.cox.net>

I had surgery scheduled and had the same thing to me. I had the surgery with a positive covid test. I had the surgery because of the 90 day rule.

Chuy Carreon

> On May 21, 2022 at 12:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Hi All,
> 
>     My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022. Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM. The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM. They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
> 
>     I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday. Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test? I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight. I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.? I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital. I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative. The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms. So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive. I was told it didn?t matter. Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy. If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
> 
>     I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday. Wish me luck!
> 
>     Roger Pihlaja
>     S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
>     Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat May 21 20:19:30 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 20:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
	May 23rd
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <930A81BD-6C23-416C-A965-591B4BE24010@gmail.com>

Roger, we wish you the best of luck and a fast recovery so you can get back to your Dynamic Equilibrium!

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2022, at 12:26 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,
> 
> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
> 
> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.  Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
> 
> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me luck!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> 

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sat May 21 21:00:38 2022
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 21:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
	May 23rd
In-Reply-To: <930A81BD-6C23-416C-A965-591B4BE24010@gmail.com>
References: <930A81BD-6C23-416C-A965-591B4BE24010@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F2DF65B5-F509-4C0A-A77A-1700D1FC1BD1@gmail.com>

Yes, we wish you a speedy recovery!

Frank 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2022, at 8:19 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger, we wish you the best of luck and a fast recovery so you can get back to your Dynamic Equilibrium!
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 21, 2022, at 12:26 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi All,
>> 
>> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
>> 
>> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.  Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
>> 
>> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me luck!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>> 
>> 

From snstaum at gmail.com  Sun May 22 08:32:33 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 08:32:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
 May 23rd
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB692020EDEFC786ECBF87153D80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjcb0UFF2UvZi5omzKp7KDRYFeXmWrR+L=6Qhgq4eGZiEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good luck Roger!

Stephen Staum
s/v Pinafore
Needham, MA

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 12:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23,
> 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The
> procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me
> overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
>
> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.
> Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to
> see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested
> positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test
> now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result
> on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I
> had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back
> negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when
> the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test
> result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it
> didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If
> I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one
> of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to
> start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
>
> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me
> luck!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
>
> --
Thanks and Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sun May 22 08:35:45 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 08:35:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
 May 23rd
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjcb0UFF2UvZi5omzKp7KDRYFeXmWrR+L=6Qhgq4eGZiEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB692020EDEFC786ECBF87153D80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAOo_Fjcb0UFF2UvZi5omzKp7KDRYFeXmWrR+L=6Qhgq4eGZiEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b15233fe-48cc-4d8e-9b8e-abc1b7116254@Spark>

We are all rooting for you. Hopefully no more setbacks.

Graham Stewart
On May 22, 2022, 8:32 AM -0400, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Good luck Roger!
>
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Pinafore
> Needham, MA
>
> On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 12:26 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23,
> > 2022. Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM. The
> > procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM. They will probably keep me
> > overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
> >
> > I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.
> > Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test? I called Dr. Ware?s office to
> > see if there had been an oversight. I was told, ?Because you have tested
> > positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test
> > now.? I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result
> > on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital. I
> > had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back
> > negative. The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when
> > the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms. So, the positive test
> > result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive. I was told it
> > didn?t matter. Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy. If
> > I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one
> > of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to
> > start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
> >
> > I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday. Wish me
> > luck!
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> >
> >
> > --
> Thanks and Stay Well,
> Stephen Staum
> Pariser Industries, Inc.

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun May 22 22:32:09 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 22:32:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
 May 23rd
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920C2D80F05C3A6F68CD57A80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <628af235.1c69fb81.ec940.e038@mx.google.com>

Good luck, Roger.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> Date: 5/21/22  12:26 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday, May 23rd Hi All,My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.? Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.? The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.? They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.? Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?? I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.? I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?? I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.? I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.? The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.? So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.? I was told it didn?t matter.? Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.? If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.? Wish me luck!Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic EquilibriumSent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon May 23 09:42:55 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 09:42:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
 May 23rd
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We?re all pulling? for ya Roger. 
They?re really good at joint replacements these days.
Even better the 14 years ago when I had three hips replacements
They're all working fine now. 
Ric 
Dadventure 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On May 22, 2022, at 10:32 PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good luck, Roger.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> Date: 5/21/22  12:26 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday, May 23rd Hi All,My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.  Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me luck!Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic EquilibriumSent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue May 24 21:49:25 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 01:49:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Subject: The left knee replacement procedure went well

Hi All,

My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.

This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.  There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and toes now.

I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100 yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.  The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!

I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.

All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and prayers.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
?
Hi All,

My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.

I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.  Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!

I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me luck!

Roger Pihlaja

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows



From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue May 24 21:51:30 2022
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 21:51:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Glad to hear all went well, Roger! PT sucks but being diligent with it will
get you back to normal quicker.

Hank

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 9:49 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Subject: The left knee replacement procedure went well
>
> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had
> an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was
> delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive
> Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.
>
> This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the
> recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.
> There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the
> catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because
> I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The
> nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this
> morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and
> toes now.
>
> I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and
> stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and
> walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100
> yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to
> -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right
> after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.
> The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!
>
> I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and
> stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We
> had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.
>
> All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m
> in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and
> prayers.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?
> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23,
> 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The
> procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me
> overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
>
> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.
> Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to
> see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested
> positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test
> now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result
> on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I
> had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back
> negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when
> the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test
> result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it
> didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If
> I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one
> of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to
> start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
>
> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me
> luck!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
>
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue May 24 21:56:04 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 21:56:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Terrific. Must be a big relief.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 9:49 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well

Subject: The left knee replacement procedure went well

Hi All,

My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.

This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.  There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and toes now.

I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100 yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.  The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!

I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.

All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and prayers.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
?
Hi All,

My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.

I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.  Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!

I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me luck!

Roger Pihlaja

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows




From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue May 24 21:58:38 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 01:58:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Hi All,

My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.

This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.  There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and toes now.

I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100 yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.  The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!

I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.

All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and prayers.

Roger Pihlaja
AM T767

Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
?
Hi All,

My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.

I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.  Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!

I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me luck!

Roger Pihlaja
ASM T767



From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Tue May 24 22:51:30 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2022 22:51:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920D104124E73F1F590D1F880D69@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB692020EDEFC786ECBF87153D80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Sounds like all is well.  Good luck with your recovery Roger

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 9:49 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Subject: The left knee replacement procedure went well
>
> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had
> an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was
> delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive
> Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.
>
> This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the
> recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.
> There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the
> catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because
> I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The
> nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this
> morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and
> toes now.
>
> I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and
> stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and
> walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100
> yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to
> -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right
> after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.
> The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!
>
> I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and
> stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We
> had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.
>
> All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m
> in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and
> prayers.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?
> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23,
> 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The
> procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me
> overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
>
> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.
> Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to
> see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested
> positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test
> now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result
> on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I
> had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back
> negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when
> the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test
> result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it
> didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If
> I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one
> of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to
> start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
>
> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me
> luck!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
>
>

From rrago54 at gmail.com  Wed May 25 04:20:20 2022
From: rrago54 at gmail.com (ricardo rago)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 04:20:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920D104124E73F1F590D1F880D69@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB692020EDEFC786ECBF87153D80D29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+tt-SM0WKLXECWNy_WProz+-oP0o0gCYGnexH9o4XupG6HFwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Roger,

Great to know everything went well.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

Kind Regards,

Thanks.

Ricardo A. Rago

On Tue, May 24, 2022, 9:49 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Subject: The left knee replacement procedure went well
>
> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had
> an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was
> delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive
> Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.
>
> This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the
> recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.
> There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the
> catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because
> I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The
> nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this
> morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and
> toes now.
>
> I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and
> stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and
> walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100
> yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to
> -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right
> after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.
> The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!
>
> I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and
> stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We
> had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.
>
> All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m
> in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and
> prayers.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?
> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23,
> 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The
> procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me
> overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
>
> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.
> Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to
> see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested
> positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test
> now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result
> on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I
> had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back
> negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when
> the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test
> result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it
> didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If
> I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one
> of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to
> start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
>
> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me
> luck!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
>
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Wed May 25 06:44:33 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 06:44:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Roger,

I am glad your surgery went well this time. What a relief!
I hope you will be sailing soon...


* Get well soon,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 9:49 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Subject: The left knee replacement procedure went well
>
> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had
> an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was
> delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive
> Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.
>
> This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the
> recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.
> There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the
> catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because
> I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The
> nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this
> morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and
> toes now.
>
> I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and
> stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and
> walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100
> yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to
> -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right
> after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.
> The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!
>
> I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and
> stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We
> had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.
>
> All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m
> in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and
> prayers.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?
> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23,
> 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The
> procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me
> overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
>
> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.
> Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to
> see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested
> positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test
> now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result
> on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I
> had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back
> negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when
> the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test
> result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it
> didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If
> I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one
> of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to
> start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
>
> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me
> luck!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
>
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed May 25 09:22:31 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 09:22:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Hey Roger, good to hear your positive attitude. I've always heard knee replacements can be quite painful. If it's any consolation, my mother had both knees replaced at the same time at 88 years old. The doctor told her doing both at the same time is the same amount of pain except you only endure it once!?Now, hurry up and start providing your incredibly helpful technical information to us Rhodies out here! You can start by answering this: I'm replacing my electric panel. The wires are so short, it's impossible to get to them to make proper connections. I m considering connecting "pigtails" to the new panel to allow clearance. And have been advised against this because it increases the chances of corrosion. I plan to use marine grade wire and heat shrink connectors. I think if properly done, these connections should be fine. Oh, by the way, i will mark all existing wires and corresponding extention wires. What do you think?Keep up with your PT and you'll insure a better recovery.? Good luck!Joe DempseySV Respite?Deltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> Date: 5/24/22  9:58 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well Hi All,My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.? The hospital had an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.? So, the procedure was delayed a few hours while they repaired it.? They accepted my ?positive Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the recovery room.? The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.? There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the catheter this morning.? I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.? The nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this morning.? But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and toes now.I had my first PT session already this morning.? Lots of bending and stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.? They had me up and walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100 yards.? With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.? The therapist said that?s very good right after surgery.? I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.? The PT session was very painful and exhausting.? I?m glad it?s over!I had another PT session after lunch.? We worked on climbing a ramp and stairs and getting in and out of a car.? After that, they sent me home.? We had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.All in all, it went pretty well.? The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m in good spirits and life is good!? Thanks for all your good wishes and prayers.Roger PihlajaAM T767Sent from my iPhoneOn May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:?Hi All,My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.? Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.? The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.? They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.? Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?? I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.? I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?? I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.? I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.? The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.? So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.? I was told it didn?t matter.? Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.? If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.? Wish me luck!Roger PihlajaASM T767

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed May 25 16:01:35 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 20:01:35 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Hi Joe,

I discussed doing both knees at the same time with my orthopedic surgeon, Dr Ware.  He didn?t recommend it because I have a pacemaker.  Having been thru PT with one ?good? leg to lean, it must be really hard to have both knees done at the same time.

Regarding your wiring, the experts recommend against soldering the extension pigtails.  Not only is a soldered connection more likely to corrode, it also creates a ?hard? spot in the wire that is more prone to vibration fatigue failure.  Of course you are going to use pretined, multi strand copper wire marine grade vs solid core wire.  Heat shrink tubing over the connections is also a good idea.  Document, label, and photograph everything as you take it apart.  As long as you don?t go crazy with extension wire length, I don?t see any reason not to do it.  I?ve done similar projects on my boat and some of them are 30+ years old with no issues.

I?m glad you think my advice is helpful.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2022, at 9:22 AM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey Roger, good to hear your positive attitude. I've always heard knee replacements can be quite painful. If it's any consolation, my mother had both knees replaced at the same time at 88 years old. The doctor told her doing both at the same time is the same amount of pain except you only endure it once! Now, hurry up and start providing your incredibly helpful technical information to us Rhodies out here! You can start by answering this: I'm replacing my electric panel. The wires are so short, it's impossible to get to them to make proper connections. I m considering connecting "pigtails" to the new panel to allow clearance. And have been advised against this because it increases the chances of corrosion. I plan to use marine grade wire and heat shrink connectors. I think if properly done, these connections should be fine. Oh, by the way, i will mark all existing wires and corresponding extention wires. What do you think?Keep up with your PT and you'll insure a better recovery.  Good luck!Joe DempseySV Respite Deltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> Date: 5/24/22  9:58 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well Hi All,My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.  There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and toes now.I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100 yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.  The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and prayers.Roger PihlajaAM T767Sent from my iPhoneOn May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:?Hi All,My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.  Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me luck!Roger PihlajaASM T767

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed May 25 16:33:49 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 15:33:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Great to hear Roger, hope you have a swift recovery!

Jesse

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 8:49 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Subject: The left knee replacement procedure went well
>
> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had
> an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was
> delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive
> Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.
>
> This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the
> recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.
> There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the
> catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because
> I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The
> nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this
> morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and
> toes now.
>
> I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and
> stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and
> walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100
> yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to
> -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right
> after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.
> The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!
>
> I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and
> stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We
> had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.
>
> All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m
> in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and
> prayers.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?
> Hi All,
>
> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23,
> 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The
> procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me
> overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
>
> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.
> Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to
> see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested
> positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test
> now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result
> on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I
> had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back
> negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when
> the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test
> result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it
> didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If
> I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one
> of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to
> start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
>
> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me
> luck!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
>
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed May 25 18:09:22 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 22:09:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday,
 May 23rd
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB692081A2EA6DFB941CA543C080D69@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Ric,

Why did you need 3 hip replacements?  Please send a photo of your 3rd leg!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 23, 2022, at 9:43 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> ?We?re all pulling? for ya Roger. 
> They?re really good at joint replacements these days.
> Even better the 14 years ago when I had three hips replacements
> They're all working fine now. 
> Ric 
> Dadventure 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2022, at 10:32 PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good luck, Roger.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> Date: 5/21/22  12:26 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My left knee procedure is scheduled for Monday, May 23rd Hi All,My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.  Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me luck!Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic EquilibriumSent from Mail<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7Ccdcf6c04b7444d52782708da3cc228cb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637889101869264985%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=6XPb%2FegiJSxR0Dld7LSMceU9pKyarL1WTHXdzLGlx50%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows

From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Wed May 25 18:24:23 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 17:24:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Wishing you a speedy recovery,

Rodney 

> On May 25, 2022, at 3:33 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Great to hear Roger, hope you have a swift recovery!
> 
> Jesse
> 
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 8:49 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
>> Subject: The left knee replacement procedure went well
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had
>> an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was
>> delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive
>> Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.
>> 
>> This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the
>> recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.
>> There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the
>> catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because
>> I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The
>> nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this
>> morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and
>> toes now.
>> 
>> I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and
>> stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and
>> walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100
>> yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to
>> -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right
>> after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.
>> The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!
>> 
>> I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and
>> stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We
>> had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.
>> 
>> All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m
>> in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and
>> prayers.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> ?
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23,
>> 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The
>> procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me
>> overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
>> 
>> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.
>> Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to
>> see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested
>> positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test
>> now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result
>> on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I
>> had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back
>> negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when
>> the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test
>> result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it
>> didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If
>> I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one
>> of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to
>> start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
>> 
>> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me
>> luck!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>> 
>> 
>> 


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Wed May 25 18:26:37 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 17:26:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa
Message-ID: <946571F3-DF27-49F2-895E-A51AD96B831F@gmail.com>

Hello gang, I?m going to spring for a 130 Genoa. Any suggestions on sailmakers? material? What are the advantages of adding a luff pad?  


Thanks in advance for your suggestions and insights. 

Rodney 

From urchinn at aol.com  Wed May 25 19:35:08 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 23:35:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rolling furlers from other companies
References: <179640648.1729413.1653521708042.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <179640648.1729413.1653521708042@mail.yahoo.com>

Getting ready to pick up our Rhodes 22, and it is evident the rolling furler could use some love.? If I decide to go the used route, and I can find an official Rhodes rolling furler, what should I be looking for? ?Yup, first sailboat for my wife and I, but we have enthusiasm.? This may? be a stupid question... but I'm going to ask anyway....ThanksTony Jonaitis

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed May 25 21:25:41 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 21:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Roger, my mother was a tough old bird! She was 99 when she died.Yes, my wire is stranded and tinned copper wire. I'm thinking of 12 inch max, extentions.?I'm having an electrical survey performed on my boat by? ABYC certified? electrician. I've got intermittent lights, a dead AC outlet and more. He'll also review my panel installation.Thanks for your advice.? Now get well and get sailing!Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> Date: 5/25/22  4:02 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well Hi Joe,I discussed doing both knees at the same time with my orthopedic surgeon, Dr Ware.? He didn?t recommend it because I have a pacemaker.? Having been thru PT with one ?good? leg to lean, it must be really hard to have both knees done at the same time.Regarding your wiring, the experts recommend against soldering the extension pigtails.? Not only is a soldered connection more likely to corrode, it also creates a ?hard? spot in the wire that is more prone to vibration fatigue failure.? Of course you are going to use pretined, multi strand copper wire marine grade vs solid core wire.? Heat shrink tubing over the connections is also a good idea.? Document, label, and photograph everything as you take it apart.? As long as you don?t go crazy with extension wire length, I don?t see any reason not to do it.? I?ve done similar projects on my boat and some of them are 30+ years old with no issues.I?m glad you think my advice is helpful.Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic EquilibriumSent from my iPhone> On May 25, 2022, at 9:22 AM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Hey Roger, good to hear your positive attitude. I've always heard knee replacements can be quite painful. If it's any consolation, my mother had both knees replaced at the same time at 88 years old. The doctor told her doing both at the same time is the same amount of pain except you only endure it once! Now, hurry up and start providing your incredibly helpful technical information to us Rhodies out here! You can start by answering this: I'm replacing my electric panel. The wires are so short, it's impossible to get to them to make proper connections. I m considering connecting "pigtails" to the new panel to allow clearance. And have been advised against this because it increases the chances of corrosion. I plan to use marine grade wire and heat shrink connectors. I think if properly done, these connections should be fine. Oh, by the way, i will mark all existing wires and corresponding extention wires. What do you think?Keep up with your PT and you'll insure a better recovery.? Good luck!Joe DempseySV Respite Deltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> Date: 5/24/22? 9:58 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well Hi All,My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.? The hospital had an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.? So, the procedure was delayed a few hours while they repaired it.? They accepted my ?positive Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the recovery room.? The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.? There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the catheter this morning.? I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.? The nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this morning.? But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and toes now.I had my first PT session already this morning.? Lots of bending and stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.? They had me up and walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100 yards.? With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.? The therapist said that?s very good right after surgery.? I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.? The PT session was very painful and exhausting.? I?m glad it?s over!I had another PT session after lunch.? We worked on climbing a ramp and stairs and getting in and out of a car.? After that, they sent me home.? We had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.All in all, it went pretty well.? The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m in good spirits and life is good!? Thanks for all your good wishes and prayers.Roger PihlajaAM T767Sent from my iPhoneOn May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:?Hi All,My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.? Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.? The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.? They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.? Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?? I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.? I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?? I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.? I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.? The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.? So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.? I was told it didn?t matter.? Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.? If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.? Wish me luck!Roger PihlajaASM T767

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed May 25 21:29:42 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 21:29:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa
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Rodney, Doyle makes Rhodes sails for the factory. Contact Stan. He probably has some in stock. New and used. I'm sure any reputable sailmaker can make sails for the Rhodes 22. Be sure you let the List know what you find.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com> Date: 5/25/22  6:26 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa Hello gang, I?m going to spring for a 130 Genoa. Any suggestions on sailmakers? material? What are the advantages of adding a luff pad?? Thanks in advance for your suggestions and insights. Rodney 

From rodellner at mac.com  Thu May 26 11:11:29 2022
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 09:11:29 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
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Roger?..glad it all went well.   Now to PT so you can be aboard DE?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2022, at 7:56 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Terrific. Must be a big relief.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2022 9:49 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The left knee replacement procedure went well
> 
> Subject: The left knee replacement procedure went well
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My left knee replacement procedure went well yesterday.  The hospital had an issue with their surgical tool sterilizer.  So, the procedure was delayed a few hours while they repaired it.  They accepted my ?positive Covid test < 90 days? and didn?t even give me another rapid Covid test.
> 
> This time, I had no issues with uncontrollable shivering while in the recovery room.  The catheter made it pretty painful to pee last night.  There was some blood on the catheter and in my urine when they removed the catheter this morning.  I have to keep my pee bottle close at hand because I can?t hold my urine very well yet, although it?s getting better.  The nerve block had my left leg completely numb below the knee until this morning.  But, I have good feeling and movement in my left ankle, foot, and toes now.
> 
> I had my first PT session already this morning.  Lots of bending and stretching, with snapping and popping in the joint.  They had me up and walking with my walker and we did a lap around the hospital wing, about 100 yards.  With great pain and effort, I was able straighten my left knee to -5 deg and bend it to 95 deg.  The therapist said that?s very good right after surgery.  I?m resting in a recliner chair with my legs propped up.  The PT session was very painful and exhausting.  I?m glad it?s over!
> 
> I had another PT session after lunch.  We worked on climbing a ramp and stairs and getting in and out of a car.  After that, they sent me home.  We had to make a stop at the pharmacy and got home about 4:00 PM.
> 
> All in all, it went pretty well.  The knee is swollen and sore; but, I?m in good spirits and life is good!  Thanks for all your good wishes and prayers.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2022, at 12:21 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?
> Hi All,
> 
> My left knee replacement surgery is scheduled for next Monday, May 23, 2022.  Deb & I have to arrive at the Alma hospital at 6:15 AM.  The procedure is supposed to be at 8:00 AM.  They will probably keep me overnight and send me home on Tuesday.
> 
> I had blood and urine tests at Midland hospital this week Thursday.  Oddly, I was not scheduled for a Covid test?  I called Dr. Ware?s office to see if there had been an oversight.  I was told, ?Because you have tested positive for Covid within the last 90 days, you do not need a Covid test now.?  I reminded the nurse scheduler that the positive Covid test result on March 21st was the rapid response test they gave me at Alma hospital.  I had a PCR Covid test the next day at Gladwin hospital, which came back negative.  The rapid response test is known for inaccuracy, especially when the subject is not showing any Covid symptoms.  So, the positive test result on March 21st was almost certainly a false positive.  I was told it didn?t matter.  Yes, the policy makes no sense; but, that?s the policy.  If I get sent home on Monday because I didn?t have a Covid test or I flunk one of their rapid response Covid tests at the hospital, I think I?m going to start searching for a new doctor and a new hospital!
> 
> I?ll try to send out a group e-mail when I get home on Tuesday.  Wish me luck!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> 
> 

From rodellner at mac.com  Thu May 26 11:12:20 2022
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 09:12:20 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rolling furlers from other companies
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There are NO STUPID QUESTIONS!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2022, at 5:35 PM, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Getting ready to pick up our Rhodes 22, and it is evident the rolling furler could use some love.  If I decide to go the used route, and I can find an official Rhodes rolling furler, what should I be looking for   Yup, first sailboat for my wife and I, but we have enthusiasm.  This may  be a stupid question... but I'm going to ask anyway....ThanksTony Jonaitis

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri May 27 10:10:00 2022
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 10:10:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rolling furlers from other companies
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Tony,

Assuming you are talking about the headsail furler and not the IMF
mainsail, General Boats made a solid round tube aluminum furler. It had one
or two round plates at the bottom to create an open drum. The Genoa has a
sleeve along the leading edge which is slipped down over the furling tube
and secured to the aluminum tube with screws and formed fender washers.

Later on, the boats came with CDI brand furlers which have a plastic or
composite extruded luff foil. The sail slides in a groove in the luff foil.
I do not know what GB is putting on new(er) models.

Which type do you have?
Where are you located; because the solid furler is really not slippage.

Todd T.

On Wed, May 25, 2022, 7:35 PM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Getting ready to pick up our Rhodes 22, and it is evident the rolling
> furler could use some love.  If I decide to go the used route, and I can
> find an official Rhodes rolling furler, what should I be looking for   Yup,
> first sailboat for my wife and I, but we have enthusiasm.  This may  be a
> stupid question... but I'm going to ask anyway....ThanksTony Jonaitis
>

From retro53 at msn.com  Fri May 27 17:41:39 2022
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 21:41:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa
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References: <946571F3-DF27-49F2-895E-A51AD96B831F@gmail.com>
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Hi Rodney,

   I bought an older (1980) Rhodes 22 with a roller furling Genoa (maybe 140) carrying a North Sails logo on it about 4 years ago.  I keep the boat in the Delaware River, and because it's always advisable to stay within the river banks, there is always a lot of tacking involved when we take her out for a sail. For the first two years, I was not terribly happy with the boat's ability to tack. Half of the time, she would end up in irons with the headsail often not making it around to the other side of the boat, in all kinds of wind conditions. Now I know there are many reasons for this to happen, and I'm sure that it was me (although I never had the problem with any of my other boats).  Luckily, as it turned out, at the end of the second year, the Genoa developed a tear, and upon further examination I decided to get a new sail rather than try to have it repaired.

  My sail search took me to Precision Sails Ltd, in Sidney, BC, Canada. A team of designers worked with me to understand my sailing needs and design the most appropriate sail. We settled on a 115 headsail made from their 400 series Advanced Dacron 6 material. It cost $745 including delivery.  When I put it in service last year, the boat was transformed. Tacks are now effortless and it is now very unusual to have any difficulties maneuvering under sail. In addition, she feels a lot more balanced under full sail, with just a nice touch of weather helm - previously there was some lee helm unless the Genoa was partly furled.  I am a very satisfied customer.

 Best Regards,
John Keyser
Deci-Belle

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:26 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa

Hello gang, I?m going to spring for a 130 Genoa. Any suggestions on sailmakers? material? What are the advantages of adding a luff pad?


Thanks in advance for your suggestions and insights.

Rodney

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri May 27 18:44:37 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 22:44:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa
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Hi Rodney,

Attached below is a thread from the archives, 1st published ~20 years ago.  There is lots more discussion on genoas and roller furlers in the archives and I suggest you look at this resource.  There was also a lengthy discussion thread on this subject last winter on the list, although I don?t know how to search for it.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

OK, what's a foam luff pad & why do you want one?

There is a difference between the optimum airfoil shape for light air & heavy air. Light air sail shape needs to have a more extreme curvature than a heavy air sail shape. Sailmakers call this more extreme curvature "deeper draft". The ideal roller furling genoa would have a deep draft shape when it is fully rolled out & a progressively shallower draft shape as the sail is rolled up for use in stronger winds. The foam luff pad on a roller furling sail is currently the best technology to achieve this progressive reduction of draft as the sail is rolled up.

Seen from the side, the foam luff pad looks like half of a long skinny ellipse sewn into the leading edge of the sail (i.e. the luff). It can be literally made of a single layer of closed cell foam sewn into the sail or it can be also be made from several layers of heavy sail cloth. All it really needs to have is extra thickness in the middle section of the luff. To work properly, the roller furler must have independent upper & lower swivels & the middle part of the luff must be firmly attached to the furling tube. OK, when this sail is completely rolled out, it has the proper deep draft shape for light air. As the sail is rolled up, the middle part of the luff is attached to the furling tube & is thus forced to roll up with the furling tube while the upper & lower ends of the sail are attached to independent swivels & do not roll up as fast. The foam luff pad sewn into the middle portion of the luff gets rolled up 1st. Its extra thickness adds to the effective diameter of the furled sail as furling proceeds. Since the middle portion of the luff has a bigger diameter than the ends, the middle part of the sail gets rolled in faster than the ends - i.e. the deep draft portion of the sail cloth is rolled up proportionately faster than the rest of the sail. The sail shape becomes progressively shallower draft as we roll up the sail, exactly what we want to happen for sailing in stronger winds. Pretty cool eh? When you combine this technology, with the inherent strength & lighter weight of the latest generation of composite sailcloth & the latest radial designs, you get an integrated roller furling foresail system that is simply light years ahead of the OEM factory roller furling foresail. The composite sailcloth & bi-radial construction enables the sailmaker to computer design the desired sail shape into the sail - not only when completely deployed in light air, but also as the sail is furled up & wind loaded.

A word of warning, the high tech sailcloth & roller furler is more expensive to purchase & the composite sailcloth does not last as long as straight Dacron. It is also not as idiot proof to sail with as the standard system. Allow me to explain:

With the standard roller furler & foresail, poor furled sail shape & sailcloth distortion under heavy wind load combine to function as a sort of "safety valve" against helmsman & sail trimmer errors. The top half of the sail distorts under the load of a wind gust & permits most of the wind's kinetic energy to spill off without causing much heeling &/or thrust. This results in the standard rig being pretty much immune to a knockdown no matter how badly the crew screws up. Upgrade the genoa to the system described above & it's a whole different ball game. The sail's construction & the super strong composite sailcloth have the designed sail shape locked in & it won't significantly distort right up to the point of sail cloth failure. In the hands of an expert crew, this means the kinetic energy in a gust of wind is instantly converted into thrust that causes the boat to surge ahead. The boat seems to "squat" in the water as the bow starts to climb up it's own bow wave. It can set you right down into your seat. Its great fun & a rather additive experience! However, if the crew screws up, the sail will not "save" you by distorting & spilling wind. If the helmsman doesn't bear off &/or the sail trimmers let the sheets fly at the proper moment in a heavy gust, then the boat will be knocked onto its side faster than you can say, "Holy shit!" If you are not willing to pay strict attention in heavy air, then do not install this system on your boat. However, don't be surprised when you see more & more of these sails & roller furlers out on the water. You'll usually be observing them from behind, get used to it! This is mature, well proven technology that really really works.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
19 Apr 2002


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From: John Keyser<mailto:retro53 at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa

Hi Rodney,

   I bought an older (1980) Rhodes 22 with a roller furling Genoa (maybe 140) carrying a North Sails logo on it about 4 years ago.  I keep the boat in the Delaware River, and because it's always advisable to stay within the river banks, there is always a lot of tacking involved when we take her out for a sail. For the first two years, I was not terribly happy with the boat's ability to tack. Half of the time, she would end up in irons with the headsail often not making it around to the other side of the boat, in all kinds of wind conditions. Now I know there are many reasons for this to happen, and I'm sure that it was me (although I never had the problem with any of my other boats).  Luckily, as it turned out, at the end of the second year, the Genoa developed a tear, and upon further examination I decided to get a new sail rather than try to have it repaired.

  My sail search took me to Precision Sails Ltd, in Sidney, BC, Canada. A team of designers worked with me to understand my sailing needs and design the most appropriate sail. We settled on a 115 headsail made from their 400 series Advanced Dacron 6 material. It cost $745 including delivery.  When I put it in service last year, the boat was transformed. Tacks are now effortless and it is now very unusual to have any difficulties maneuvering under sail. In addition, she feels a lot more balanced under full sail, with just a nice touch of weather helm - previously there was some lee helm unless the Genoa was partly furled.  I am a very satisfied customer.

 Best Regards,
John Keyser
Deci-Belle

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:26 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa

Hello gang, I?m going to spring for a 130 Genoa. Any suggestions on sailmakers? material? What are the advantages of adding a luff pad?


Thanks in advance for your suggestions and insights.

Rodney


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri May 27 21:20:09 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 18:20:09 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa
Message-ID: <E1nul7h-00B2hF-HB@s152.servername.online>

I'm not sure if this is what Roger had in mind, but the following link will take you to the start of an extended discussion about 130 vs 175 genoas (at least according to the post subject) in November of 2020: 

http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-November/thread.html#86712

Look through the entire month, there are some posts that don't 'thread' because the subjects are slightly different.

--Peter

> On 2022-05-27, at 18:44:37 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Hi Rodney,
> 
> Attached below is a thread from the archives, 1st published ~20 years ago.  
> There is lots more discussion on genoas and roller furlers in the archives and I 
> suggest you look at this resource.  There was also a lengthy discussion thread 
> on this subject last winter on the list, although I don?t know how to search for 
> it. 
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Fri May 27 23:12:57 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Fri, 27 May 2022 22:12:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa
In-Reply-To: <E1nul7h-00B2hF-HB@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nul7h-00B2hF-HB@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <3854460A-5C7E-419B-95C3-0D7099CB97E1@gmail.com>

Wow! Thanks to everyone?s input. I?ve got some home work this weekend ! 


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2022, at 20:20, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm not sure if this is what Roger had in mind, but the following link will take you to the start of an extended discussion about 130 vs 175 genoas (at least according to the post subject) in November of 2020: 
> 
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-November/thread.html#86712
> 
> Look through the entire month, there are some posts that don't 'thread' because the subjects are slightly different.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2022-05-27, at 18:44:37 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rodney,
>> 
>> Attached below is a thread from the archives, 1st published ~20 years ago.  
>> There is lots more discussion on genoas and roller furlers in the archives and I 
>> suggest you look at this resource.  There was also a lengthy discussion thread 
>> on this subject last winter on the list, although I don?t know how to search for 
>> it. 
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> 
> 

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat May 28 13:32:15 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 17:32:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  Source for a 130 Genoa
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For some reason, the list server seems to have stripped out the pasted excerpt from the archives.  Let?s try that again.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



Hi Rodney,

Attached below is a thread from the archives, 1st published ~20 years ago.  There is lots more discussion on genoas and roller furlers in the archives and I suggest you look at this resource.  There was also a lengthy discussion thread on this subject last winter on the list, although I don?t know how to search for it.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

OK, what's a foam luff pad & why do you want one?

There is a difference between the optimum airfoil shape for light air & heavy air. Light air sail shape needs to have a more extreme curvature than a heavy air sail shape. Sailmakers call this more extreme curvature "deeper draft". The ideal roller furling genoa would have a deep draft shape when it is fully rolled out & a progressively shallower draft shape as the sail is rolled up for use in stronger winds. The foam luff pad on a roller furling sail is currently the best technology to achieve this progressive reduction of draft as the sail is rolled up.

Seen from the side, the foam luff pad looks like half of a long skinny ellipse sewn into the leading edge of the sail (i.e. the luff). It can be literally made of a single layer of closed cell foam sewn into the sail or it can be also be made from several layers of heavy sail cloth. All it really needs to have is extra thickness in the middle section of the luff. To work properly, the roller furler must have independent upper & lower swivels & the middle part of the luff must be firmly attached to the furling tube. OK, when this sail is completely rolled out, it has the proper deep draft shape for light air. As the sail is rolled up, the middle part of the luff is attached to the furling tube & is thus forced to roll up with the furling tube while the upper & lower ends of the sail are attached to independent swivels & do not roll up as fast. The foam luff pad sewn into the middle portion of the luff gets rolled up 1st. Its extra thickness adds to the effective diameter of the furled sail as furling proceeds. Since the middle portion of the luff has a bigger diameter than the ends, the middle part of the sail gets rolled in faster than the ends - i.e. the deep draft portion of the sail cloth is rolled up proportionately faster than the rest of the sail. The sail shape becomes progressively shallower draft as we roll up the sail, exactly what we want to happen for sailing in stronger winds. Pretty cool eh? When you combine this technology, with the inherent strength & lighter weight of the latest generation of composite sailcloth & the latest radial designs, you get an integrated roller furling foresail system that is simply light years ahead of the OEM factory roller furling foresail. The composite sailcloth & bi-radial construction enables the sailmaker to computer design the desired sail shape into the sail - not only when completely deployed in light air, but also as the sail is furled up & wind loaded.

A word of warning, the high tech sailcloth & roller furler is more expensive to purchase & the composite sailcloth does not last as long as straight Dacron. It is also not as idiot proof to sail with as the standard system. Allow me to explain:

With the standard roller furler & foresail, poor furled sail shape & sailcloth distortion under heavy wind load combine to function as a sort of "safety valve" against helmsman & sail trimmer errors. The top half of the sail distorts under the load of a wind gust & permits most of the wind's kinetic energy to spill off without causing much heeling &/or thrust. This results in the standard rig being pretty much immune to a knockdown no matter how badly the crew screws up. Upgrade the genoa to the system described above & it's a whole different ball game. The sail's construction & the super strong composite sailcloth have the designed sail shape locked in & it won't significantly distort right up to the point of sail cloth failure. In the hands of an expert crew, this means the kinetic energy in a gust of wind is instantly converted into thrust that causes the boat to surge ahead. The boat seems to "squat" in the water as the bow starts to climb up it's own bow wave. It can set you right down into your seat. Its great fun & a rather additive experience! However, if the crew screws up, the sail will not "save" you by distorting & spilling wind. If the helmsman doesn't bear off &/or the sail trimmers let the sheets fly at the proper moment in a heavy gust, then the boat will be knocked onto its side faster than you can say, "Holy shit!" If you are not willing to pay strict attention in heavy air, then do not install this system on your boat. However, don't be surprised when you see more & more of these sails & roller furlers out on the water. You'll usually be observing them from behind, get used to it! This is mature, well proven technology that really really works.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
19 Apr 2002


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: John Keyser<mailto:retro53 at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa

Hi Rodney,

   I bought an older (1980) Rhodes 22 with a roller furling Genoa (maybe 140) carrying a North Sails logo on it about 4 years ago.  I keep the boat in the Delaware River, and because it's always advisable to stay within the river banks, there is always a lot of tacking involved when we take her out for a sail. For the first two years, I was not terribly happy with the boat's ability to tack. Half of the time, she would end up in irons with the headsail often not making it around to the other side of the boat, in all kinds of wind conditions. Now I know there are many reasons for this to happen, and I'm sure that it was me (although I never had the problem with any of my other boats).  Luckily, as it turned out, at the end of the second year, the Genoa developed a tear, and upon further examination I decided to get a new sail rather than try to have it repaired.

  My sail search took me to Precision Sails Ltd, in Sidney, BC, Canada. A team of designers worked with me to understand my sailing needs and design the most appropriate sail. We settled on a 115 headsail made from their 400 series Advanced Dacron 6 material. It cost $745 including delivery.  When I put it in service last year, the boat was transformed. Tacks are now effortless and it is now very unusual to have any difficulties maneuvering under sail. In addition, she feels a lot more balanced under full sail, with just a nice touch of weather helm - previously there was some lee helm unless the Genoa was partly furled.  I am a very satisfied customer.

 Best Regards,
John Keyser
Deci-Belle

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:26 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa

Hello gang, I?m going to spring for a 130 Genoa. Any suggestions on sailmakers? material? What are the advantages of adding a luff pad?


Thanks in advance for your suggestions and insights.

Rodney



From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat May 28 19:02:07 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 19:02:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Links to Cruising a Rhodes
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWXR+K+-esetgSRUXAsMv5aQXuf19htExd8LeDRKy7dTA@mail.gmail.com>

In response to several inquiries, Thanks Jesse, and comments about some
links not working, I have redone the links.  Google Docs blocked a lot of
links for "improved security" and eliminated others so I went through all
the links and redid them, journal by journal.  I also corrected some
mistakes but not all.  In two cases, I was missing the original word
documents and had only PDF's.  Converting them back to word was complicated
and not entirely satisfactory.  Anyway, a couple of journals (DESOLATION
SOUND) and another were a series of PDF's which I combined into one
narration so you no longer have to click on each section. I hope
this helps.  They cover most of my trips to Mexico, the Pacific NW,Canada
 and the Mediterranean from Spain to Turkey (eventually).  There are still
a few weekly journals to go From Poros island to Turkey,  and then I will
combine the 2021 sailing season in the Med into one Journal.  See link
below, you will probably need to copy and paste it.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F-w9odBGPdXRE5ZLmmRYK_srmjdH2z0l/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=106527955362190049842&rtpof=true&sd=true

From chitakcheung at gmail.com  Sat May 28 20:20:42 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 20:20:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920669ED9727D3390AFD70180DB9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920669ED9727D3390AFD70180DB9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <9C2F3166-AC87-41ED-817E-E7AA6D5A5EFF@gmail.com>

Roger,
Thank you for the amazing tutorial.
Patrick

> On May 28, 2022, at 1:32 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?For some reason, the list server seems to have stripped out the pasted excerpt from the archives.  Let?s try that again.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Rodney,
> 
> Attached below is a thread from the archives, 1st published ~20 years ago.  There is lots more discussion on genoas and roller furlers in the archives and I suggest you look at this resource.  There was also a lengthy discussion thread on this subject last winter on the list, although I don?t know how to search for it.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________________________________
> 
> OK, what's a foam luff pad & why do you want one?
> 
> There is a difference between the optimum airfoil shape for light air & heavy air. Light air sail shape needs to have a more extreme curvature than a heavy air sail shape. Sailmakers call this more extreme curvature "deeper draft". The ideal roller furling genoa would have a deep draft shape when it is fully rolled out & a progressively shallower draft shape as the sail is rolled up for use in stronger winds. The foam luff pad on a roller furling sail is currently the best technology to achieve this progressive reduction of draft as the sail is rolled up.
> 
> Seen from the side, the foam luff pad looks like half of a long skinny ellipse sewn into the leading edge of the sail (i.e. the luff). It can be literally made of a single layer of closed cell foam sewn into the sail or it can be also be made from several layers of heavy sail cloth. All it really needs to have is extra thickness in the middle section of the luff. To work properly, the roller furler must have independent upper & lower swivels & the middle part of the luff must be firmly attached to the furling tube. OK, when this sail is completely rolled out, it has the proper deep draft shape for light air. As the sail is rolled up, the middle part of the luff is attached to the furling tube & is thus forced to roll up with the furling tube while the upper & lower ends of the sail are attached to independent swivels & do not roll up as fast. The foam luff pad sewn into the middle portion of the luff gets rolled up 1st. Its extra thickness adds to the effective diameter of the furled sail as furling proceeds. Since the middle portion of the luff has a bigger diameter than the ends, the middle part of the sail gets rolled in faster than the ends - i.e. the deep draft portion of the sail cloth is rolled up proportionately faster than the rest of the sail. The sail shape becomes progressively shallower draft as we roll up the sail, exactly what we want to happen for sailing in stronger winds. Pretty cool eh? When you combine this technology, with the inherent strength & lighter weight of the latest generation of composite sailcloth & the latest radial designs, you get an integrated roller furling foresail system that is simply light years ahead of the OEM factory roller furling foresail. The composite sailcloth & bi-radial construction enables the sailmaker to computer design the desired sail shape into the sail - not only when completely deployed in light air, but also as the sail is furled up & wind loaded.
> 
> A word of warning, the high tech sailcloth & roller furler is more expensive to purchase & the composite sailcloth does not last as long as straight Dacron. It is also not as idiot proof to sail with as the standard system. Allow me to explain:
> 
> With the standard roller furler & foresail, poor furled sail shape & sailcloth distortion under heavy wind load combine to function as a sort of "safety valve" against helmsman & sail trimmer errors. The top half of the sail distorts under the load of a wind gust & permits most of the wind's kinetic energy to spill off without causing much heeling &/or thrust. This results in the standard rig being pretty much immune to a knockdown no matter how badly the crew screws up. Upgrade the genoa to the system described above & it's a whole different ball game. The sail's construction & the super strong composite sailcloth have the designed sail shape locked in & it won't significantly distort right up to the point of sail cloth failure. In the hands of an expert crew, this means the kinetic energy in a gust of wind is instantly converted into thrust that causes the boat to surge ahead. The boat seems to "squat" in the water as the bow starts to climb up it's own bow wave. It can set you right down into your seat. Its great fun & a rather additive experience! However, if the crew screws up, the sail will not "save" you by distorting & spilling wind. If the helmsman doesn't bear off &/or the sail trimmers let the sheets fly at the proper moment in a heavy gust, then the boat will be knocked onto its side faster than you can say, "Holy shit!" If you are not willing to pay strict attention in heavy air, then do not install this system on your boat. However, don't be surprised when you see more & more of these sails & roller furlers out on the water. You'll usually be observing them from behind, get used to it! This is mature, well proven technology that really really works.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 19 Apr 2002
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: John Keyser<mailto:retro53 at msn.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:41 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa
> 
> Hi Rodney,
> 
>   I bought an older (1980) Rhodes 22 with a roller furling Genoa (maybe 140) carrying a North Sails logo on it about 4 years ago.  I keep the boat in the Delaware River, and because it's always advisable to stay within the river banks, there is always a lot of tacking involved when we take her out for a sail. For the first two years, I was not terribly happy with the boat's ability to tack. Half of the time, she would end up in irons with the headsail often not making it around to the other side of the boat, in all kinds of wind conditions. Now I know there are many reasons for this to happen, and I'm sure that it was me (although I never had the problem with any of my other boats).  Luckily, as it turned out, at the end of the second year, the Genoa developed a tear, and upon further examination I decided to get a new sail rather than try to have it repaired.
> 
>  My sail search took me to Precision Sails Ltd, in Sidney, BC, Canada. A team of designers worked with me to understand my sailing needs and design the most appropriate sail. We settled on a 115 headsail made from their 400 series Advanced Dacron 6 material. It cost $745 including delivery.  When I put it in service last year, the boat was transformed. Tacks are now effortless and it is now very unusual to have any difficulties maneuvering under sail. In addition, she feels a lot more balanced under full sail, with just a nice touch of weather helm - previously there was some lee helm unless the Genoa was partly furled.  I am a very satisfied customer.
> 
> Best Regards,
> John Keyser
> Deci-Belle
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:26 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source for a 130 Genoa
> 
> Hello gang, I?m going to spring for a 130 Genoa. Any suggestions on sailmakers? material? What are the advantages of adding a luff pad?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance for your suggestions and insights.
> 
> Rodney
> 
> 

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat May 28 21:51:14 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 21:51:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Links to Cruising a Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWXR+K+-esetgSRUXAsMv5aQXuf19htExd8LeDRKy7dTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWXR+K+-esetgSRUXAsMv5aQXuf19htExd8LeDRKy7dTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3frYjRryG3+wDQSk0Fost05nZQ0kzC3M3rw155GZFE28QA@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome, thanks Chris!

On Sat, May 28, 2022, 7:02 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> In response to several inquiries, Thanks Jesse, and comments about some
> links not working, I have redone the links.  Google Docs blocked a lot of
> links for "improved security" and eliminated others so I went through all
> the links and redid them, journal by journal.  I also corrected some
> mistakes but not all.  In two cases, I was missing the original word
> documents and had only PDF's.  Converting them back to word was complicated
> and not entirely satisfactory.  Anyway, a couple of journals (DESOLATION
> SOUND) and another were a series of PDF's which I combined into one
> narration so you no longer have to click on each section. I hope
> this helps.  They cover most of my trips to Mexico, the Pacific NW,Canada
>  and the Mediterranean from Spain to Turkey (eventually).  There are still
> a few weekly journals to go From Poros island to Turkey,  and then I will
> combine the 2021 sailing season in the Med into one Journal.  See link
> below, you will probably need to copy and paste it.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F-w9odBGPdXRE5ZLmmRYK_srmjdH2z0l/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=106527955362190049842&rtpof=true&sd=true
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Sat May 28 22:11:20 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sat, 28 May 2022 22:11:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Links to Cruising a Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWXR+K+-esetgSRUXAsMv5aQXuf19htExd8LeDRKy7dTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWXR+K+-esetgSRUXAsMv5aQXuf19htExd8LeDRKy7dTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38B76305-B071-41E3-8200-A339A65AF944@verizon.net>

Thanks Chris, a valuable resource!
Scott A.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 28, 2022, at 7:02 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In response to several inquiries, Thanks Jesse, and comments about some
> links not working, I have redone the links.  Google Docs blocked a lot of
> links for "improved security" and eliminated others so I went through all
> the links and redid them, journal by journal.  I also corrected some
> mistakes but not all.  In two cases, I was missing the original word
> documents and had only PDF's.  Converting them back to word was complicated
> and not entirely satisfactory.  Anyway, a couple of journals (DESOLATION
> SOUND) and another were a series of PDF's which I combined into one
> narration so you no longer have to click on each section. I hope
> this helps.  They cover most of my trips to Mexico, the Pacific NW,Canada
> and the Mediterranean from Spain to Turkey (eventually).  There are still
> a few weekly journals to go From Poros island to Turkey,  and then I will
> combine the 2021 sailing season in the Med into one Journal.  See link
> below, you will probably need to copy and paste it.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F-w9odBGPdXRE5ZLmmRYK_srmjdH2z0l/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=106527955362190049842&rtpof=true&sd=true


From lgioia at yahoo.com  Mon May 30 19:58:05 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 19:58:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?b?VWggb2jigKY=?=
References: <26CA0141-1435-412C-A0D6-1D5BB1140019.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <26CA0141-1435-412C-A0D6-1D5BB1140019@yahoo.com>

Sailing back slowly downwind to my dock at Lake George right now, when I happened to look up? 
  
Stan, thanks for the extra rigging wires!
  
Larry

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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Mon May 30 20:01:09 2022
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 20:01:09 -0400
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Looks like you get some practice dropping the mast...

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 7:58 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Sailing back slowly downwind to my dock at Lake George right now, when I
> happened to look up?
>
> Stan, thanks for the extra rigging wires!
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> Larry
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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Mon May 30 20:12:36 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 20:12:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?b?VWggb2jigKY=?=
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMBSCtbkcxEdV0OxPLgXRMxtaGBo+8_GZF4nEp+zCCrZiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADQNfMBSCtbkcxEdV0OxPLgXRMxtaGBo+8_GZF4nEp+zCCrZiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AFD6A78E-0781-4DD9-A386-1BF1DEDCF6CA@yahoo.com>

I just stepped it for the summer (or so I thought) on Thursday! 

> On May 30, 2022, at 8:01 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Looks like you get some practice dropping the mast...
> 
>> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 7:58 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> Sailing back slowly downwind to my dock at Lake George right now, when I happened to look up? 
>> 
>> Stan, thanks for the extra rigging wires!
>> 
>> Larry
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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Mon May 30 20:50:09 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 20:50:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?b?VWggb2jigKY=?=
In-Reply-To: <AFD6A78E-0781-4DD9-A386-1BF1DEDCF6CA@yahoo.com>
References: <AFD6A78E-0781-4DD9-A386-1BF1DEDCF6CA@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4EB798E5-011D-425D-9056-75E4E3A55833@yahoo.com>

Luckily I can reach it from the covered dock 




> On May 30, 2022, at 8:12 PM, Larry Gioia <lgioia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I just stepped it for the summer (or so I thought) on Thursday! 
> 
>>> On May 30, 2022, at 8:01 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Looks like you get some practice dropping the mast...
>> 
>>> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 7:58 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> Sailing back slowly downwind to my dock at Lake George right now, when I happened to look up? 
>>> 
>>> Stan, thanks for the extra rigging wires!
>>> 
>>> Larry
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From urchinn at aol.com  Tue May 31 09:09:03 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 13:09:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull ID number...WHERE IS IT?
References: <617672390.2827951.1654002543582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <617672390.2827951.1654002543582@mail.yahoo.com>

I can't register my new (used) boat in Massachusetts without that number...but the boat is from Maine (where you don't need a title), and there is no info on the paperwork/bill-of-sale!? Any tips on finding a hull ID number.Thanks?Tony

From melrothbard at yahoo.com  Tue May 31 09:15:41 2022
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 13:15:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull ID number...WHERE IS IT?
In-Reply-To: <617672390.2827951.1654002543582@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <617672390.2827951.1654002543582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <617672390.2827951.1654002543582@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1053286180.5151338.1654002941062@mail.yahoo.com>

Mine is imprinted into the gel-coat fiberglass on the transom
Mel Rothbard
Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258. 

    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:09:42 AM EDT, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:  
 
 I can't register my new (used) boat in Massachusetts without that number...but the boat is from Maine (where you don't need a title), and there is no info on the paperwork/bill-of-sale!? Any tips on finding a hull ID number.Thanks?Tony
  

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue May 31 09:22:52 2022
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 09:22:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull ID number...WHERE IS IT?
In-Reply-To: <617672390.2827951.1654002543582@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <617672390.2827951.1654002543582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <617672390.2827951.1654002543582@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMAJ8+R9uowz+TO4zM+-Ju45UbnfMKJX-CJLiCgAPDrBgw@mail.gmail.com>

If you can't find the number or it's worn off, this might help:
https://www.mass.gov/service-details/boat-registration-faqs#:~:text=How%20do%20I%20obtain%20a,by%20the%20Massachusetts%20Environmental%20Police
.

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 9:09 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I can't register my new (used) boat in Massachusetts without that
> number...but the boat is from Maine (where you don't need a title), and
> there is no info on the paperwork/bill-of-sale!  Any tips on finding a hull
> ID number.Thanks Tony
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue May 31 09:25:06 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 09:25:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull ID number...WHERE IS IT?
In-Reply-To: <617672390.2827951.1654002543582@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.1724.1654003518.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

Check out our list archives at:http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2013-July/074193.htmlI have attached a photo of the HIN located on the starboard side of the stern.?
Regards,
Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91), Nissequogue River, NY

-------- Original message --------From: Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 5/31/22  9:09 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull ID number...WHERE IS IT? I can't register my new (used) boat in Massachusetts without that number...but the boat is from Maine (where you don't need a title), and there is no info on the paperwork/bill-of-sale!? Any tips on finding a hull ID number.Thanks?Tony
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From sea20 at verizon.net  Tue May 31 09:55:10 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 09:55:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull ID number...WHERE IS IT?
In-Reply-To: <1053286180.5151338.1654002941062@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1053286180.5151338.1654002941062@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03F3449A-2797-47D0-BA45-451E8BC933F4@verizon.net>

If there is no tag on the stern, Che clean in the lazzerette, starboard side.
Scott A

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 31, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Mine is imprinted into the gel-coat fiberglass on the transom
> Mel Rothbard
> Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258. 
> 
>    On Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:09:42 AM EDT, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:  
> 
> I can't register my new (used) boat in Massachusetts without that number...but the boat is from Maine (where you don't need a title), and there is no info on the paperwork/bill-of-sale!  Any tips on finding a hull ID number.Thanks Tony
> 


From urchinn at aol.com  Tue May 31 09:58:40 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 13:58:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull ID Number...GOT IT!!!
References: <1201203637.2835220.1654005520968.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1201203637.2835220.1654005520968@mail.yahoo.com>

So covered up with old paint, filth, and funk, that it was hard to see.? Massachusetts needs a "pencil tracing" of this ID!!!??Thanks, ya'll...Tony JonaitisMarblehead, MA

From stevenalm at gmail.com  Tue May 31 10:50:11 2022
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 09:50:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?!
Message-ID: <CANtNeFBFo-mG+hNK_nC0LjUGtA2C7nj-4YDDzwbPf6pJE5L0Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Last night's storm.
Slim
Fandango (Safe and sound)
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue May 31 10:52:22 2022
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 09:52:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?!
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFBFo-mG+hNK_nC0LjUGtA2C7nj-4YDDzwbPf6pJE5L0Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFBFo-mG+hNK_nC0LjUGtA2C7nj-4YDDzwbPf6pJE5L0Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY4zdTGoT9_WnZfiOe5bOmN+bt2xRdW9+mONAr-jgwHQCw@mail.gmail.com>

Nature knows the Rhodes design is so rare it decided against totaling you!
Nice luck slim!

On Tue, May 31, 2022, 9:50 AM Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Last night's storm.
> Slim
> Fandango (Safe and sound)
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue May 31 10:56:13 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 10:56:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?!
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFBFo-mG+hNK_nC0LjUGtA2C7nj-4YDDzwbPf6pJE5L0Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFBFo-mG+hNK_nC0LjUGtA2C7nj-4YDDzwbPf6pJE5L0Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a501d874fe$930c6d50$b92547f0$@ebsmed.com>

I love your caption!

How about:
	1. Non-IMF mast located on the ground
	2. Renewable resource mast for the R22
	3. Mine's bigger ...
	4. Perfect delivery! 

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Steven Alm
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 10:50 AM
To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?!

Last night's storm.
Slim
Fandango (Safe and sound)
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Tue May 31 12:12:51 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 12:12:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull ID number...WHERE IS IT?
In-Reply-To: <1053286180.5151338.1654002941062@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <62963e86.1c69fb81.61ee5.ec73@mx.google.com>

Tony, my Rhodes was built in 89. The HIN is on ametal plate riveted on the upper starboard transom. I believe all Rhodes #'s begin with GBX.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 5/31/22  9:15 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org, Tony Jonaitis <urchinn at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull ID number...WHERE IS IT? Mine is imprinted into the gel-coat fiberglass on the transomMel RothbardMelvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258. ??? On Tuesday, May 31, 2022, 09:09:42 AM EDT, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:?   I can't register my new (used) boat in Massachusetts without that number...but the boat is from Maine (where you don't need a title), and there is no info on the paperwork/bill-of-sale!? Any tips on finding a hull ID number.Thanks?Tony? 

From urchinn at aol.com  Tue May 31 12:54:04 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 16:54:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying sails online...
References: <1180516026.2911027.1654016044968.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1180516026.2911027.1654016044968@mail.yahoo.com>

Buying a new set of sails for our new 1993 Rhodes 22...and are unsure about how to proceed.? Can anyone suggest a reliable mail-order manufacturer?? Or does this ideally have to be done by a local company.? HELP? All suggestion/ridicule/information/sarcasm is welcome...Tony Jonaitis

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue May 31 12:57:49 2022
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 12:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying sails online...
In-Reply-To: <1180516026.2911027.1654016044968@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1180516026.2911027.1654016044968.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1180516026.2911027.1654016044968@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMDE0Khwj8gejOF74e_zPk0qVi6q_KiwXih+TkVf-NdYLg@mail.gmail.com>

A REAL sailor would just make his own...

https://www.sailrite.com/How-To-Projects-Guides/DIY-Projects/Marine-Projects/Marine-Project/Sail-Making?order=custitem_popularity&type=DIY-Projects

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:53 PM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Buying a new set of sails for our new 1993 Rhodes 22...and are unsure
> about how to proceed.  Can anyone suggest a reliable mail-order
> manufacturer?  Or does this ideally have to be done by a local company.
> HELP? All suggestion/ridicule/information/sarcasm is welcome...Tony Jonaitis
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue May 31 14:51:57 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 14:51:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?!
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFBFo-mG+hNK_nC0LjUGtA2C7nj-4YDDzwbPf6pJE5L0Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFBFo-mG+hNK_nC0LjUGtA2C7nj-4YDDzwbPf6pJE5L0Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2634516C-016B-489D-A829-55872F6F2DAE@gmail.com>

Quick run out and buy a lotto ticket.  That kind of luck isn?t gonna last long!
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis


> On May 31, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220531/2e7b56d4/attachment.jpeg <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220531/2e7b56d4/attachment.jpeg>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Tue May 31 17:19:12 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 17:19:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
In-Reply-To: <00c801d867db$2c49c340$84dd49c0$@gmail.com>
References: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
 <825253715.820075.1652472615957@myemail.cox.net>
 <CAOo_FjfCwRrsk0_PT5m-nsFDr6mJqVo5pHQMDuwTUpLByy_PFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1239660225.828755.1652479441426@myemail.cox.net>
 <00d301d86737$84828c80$8d87a580$@ca>
 <CH2PR02MB69204E3AB4482C674236DF6E80CD9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <2001589962.837700.1652544136904@myemail.cox.net>
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 <00c801d867db$2c49c340$84dd49c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <091c01d87534$131daa10$3958fe30$@gmail.com>

Joe, where would we find Stan's instructions?

Thanks,

Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:40 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

By the way, when it comes to replacing the cap and gasket, Stan has very specific instructions. There are 50+ 316 SS Machine screws and fender washers  and backing nuts securing the rubber gasket. It does not require sealant. If properly fastened and the machine screws carefully tightened, it will remain water tight. Do not over tighten! If you cannot find Stan's instructions, let me know and I will post them.

Joe Dempsey
SV Respite
Deltaville, VA

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:24 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Photos I left off earlier post!


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of chuy carreon
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole

Thanks Roger. The pivot hole was the hole that I was referring to.

Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath

> On May 14, 2022 at 9:32 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard. There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on. Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant. On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
> 
>     Roger Pihlaja
>     S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
>         > > On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > wrote:
> > 
> >         Hi
> > 
> >     > 
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From sea20 at verizon.net  Tue May 31 18:15:30 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 18:15:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying sails online...
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMDE0Khwj8gejOF74e_zPk0qVi6q_KiwXih+TkVf-NdYLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADQNfMDE0Khwj8gejOF74e_zPk0qVi6q_KiwXih+TkVf-NdYLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0FA29659-78BA-457D-99E5-DD335A7BBC16@verizon.net>

Doyle sail in Oriental N Carolina gave me great service but it takes a while. They come from Barbados.
Scott A

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 31, 2022, at 12:57 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?A REAL sailor would just make his own...
> 
> https://www.sailrite.com/How-To-Projects-Guides/DIY-Projects/Marine-Projects/Marine-Project/Sail-Making?order=custitem_popularity&type=DIY-Projects
> 
>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:53 PM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Buying a new set of sails for our new 1993 Rhodes 22...and are unsure
>> about how to proceed.  Can anyone suggest a reliable mail-order
>> manufacturer?  Or does this ideally have to be done by a local company.
>> HELP? All suggestion/ridicule/information/sarcasm is welcome...Tony Jonaitis
>> 


From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue May 31 18:25:50 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 18:25:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull ID Number...GOT IT!!!
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They will also accept a digital picture.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 9:58 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> So covered up with old paint, filth, and funk, that it was hard to see.
> Massachusetts needs a "pencil tracing" of this ID!!!  Thanks, ya'll...Tony
> JonaitisMarblehead, MA
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue May 31 18:31:04 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 18:31:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying sails online...
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I use my local Doyle operation located in E. Greenwich, RI.  They can use
the old sail as a pattern and I can discuss options and recommendations
with the sailmaker.  They have made 2 genoas and a mainsail over the years
and I have always been pleased with the service.

Check if you have a Doyle location near you.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*
*Needham, MA*

On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:53 PM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Buying a new set of sails for our new 1993 Rhodes 22...and are unsure
> about how to proceed.  Can anyone suggest a reliable mail-order
> manufacturer?  Or does this ideally have to be done by a local company.
> HELP? All suggestion/ridicule/information/sarcasm is welcome...Tony Jonaitis
>

From rodellner at mac.com  Tue May 31 22:22:34 2022
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 20:22:34 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Do You Feel Lucky, Punk?!
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?that Chris!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 31, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Quick run out and buy a lotto ticket.  That kind of luck isn?t gonna last long!
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2022, at 10:50 AM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220531/2e7b56d4/attachment.jpeg <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220531/2e7b56d4/attachment.jpeg>