[Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure

Ric Stott ric at stottarchitecture.com
Thu May 19 10:53:22 EDT 2022 

I don’t have the benefit of owning those items so I don’t know how it where they are stowed. 
Ric
Dadventure. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2022, at 10:36 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You could store them in the same manner as the cockpit filler cushions and
> boards?
> 
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I like your alternative solution to the soft top enclosure.
>> For storage under the cockpit seats - Only two reasons I can think of and
>> they are both personal:
>> 1 It keeps the panels secure, out of the way and invisible - but easy to
>> get to and close to their intended purpose.
>> 2. It leaves (a little) room for whatever else you might want to be there.
>> Here’s one more - it will protect the clear panels from scratches better
>> than if they lived on the cockpit sole.
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2022, at 5:37 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ric,
>>> 
>>> Can you please explain why they ought to be up against the bottom of the
>> bench seat?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Patrick
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Patrick -  you might consider using the straps (or a bracket) to hold
>> the panels up against the bottom of the bench seats rather than down on the
>> cockpit sole.
>>>> Ric
>>>> 
>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 3:05 PM, Patrick Cheung <chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ric,
>>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, the front panel fit snugly under the
>> starboard
>>>>> cockpit seat, not a mm to spare. This is not planned. The two side
>> panels
>>>>> sit on top and there's still room to slide a shallow container on top.
>> I
>>>>> need straps to tie the 3 panels down.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger,
>>>>> Q1, I sew a PVC cover for the back, first time sewing, lots of
>> language,
>>>>> please see pictures attached.
>>>>> Q2, No windows. Slide open the hatch for ventilation, push the whole
>> top up
>>>>> for more. If needed, I will add a strip of fine mosquito nettings and
>>>>> velcro the netting from the raised FG top to the 3 panels. I should be
>> able
>>>>> to sew this strip with ease now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have an old pop top enclosure and it doesn't fit any more. The rigid
>>>>> panels can be installed a lot easier, installed without leaving the
>> cabin.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just came back from a solo shake down sail with all the tops up. Duck
>>>>> survived all points of sail, top stay put.
>>>>> It is still a work in progress.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Photos will be on a seperate email. Gmail doesn't like oneDrive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> patrick
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:43 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
>> <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like the smooth, clean look of your hard pop top enclosure.
>> However, I
>>>>>> have two questions:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1.  My canvas pop top enclosure has provision for sealing off the
>>>>>> companionway hatch above the hatch cover boards.   On your hard pop
>> top
>>>>>> enclosure, is there another piece that seals off the companionway
>> hatch
>>>>>> opening that is not shown in the picture?
>>>>>> 2.  The side windows and door on my canvas pop top enclosure have
>>>>>> windows.  Each of these windows is complete with inner privacy
>> screens,
>>>>>> insect screens, and clear plastic windows that shed rain.  Does your
>> hard
>>>>>> pop top enclosure have any provisions for ventilation and privacy?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The following 6 pictures are from the archives:
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As you can see, the canvas pop top enclosure rolls up and fits loosely
>>>>>> into a 20 liter dry bag.  This dry bag will fit up under the gunnel
>> behind
>>>>>> the cockpit seats.  I have some Velcro straps up there to keep it in
>>>>>> place.  There is enough room on the foredeck to do the 6 illustrated
>>>>>> folding steps, although it’s easier on the dock or a lawn.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do you sail with your hard pop top up?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Ric Stott<mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 5:28 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We’ll done Patrick. Very nice look.
>>>>>> I think they could be stored under the cockpit seats if a clever
>> support
>>>>>> was crafted, they would disappear under the seat and leave room on the
>>>>>> cockpit sole for more.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Brian Ferguson <
>>>>>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m getting a Com-Pac 23/IV vibe from that picture.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 16:44 Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Very impressive!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 4:39 PM Patrick Cheung <
>> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Someone wanted to see the exterior, here you go.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Cheung <
>> chitakcheung at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>>>>>> I am still thinking where to stow the board.
>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of standing them up forward and against the
>> bulkhead. I
>>>>>>>>> previously lowered the floor at the head area, and there's enough
>>>>>> height
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> stow the boards.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> patrick
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <
>> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff, Peter, & Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter is correct about just keeping out rain when the boat is not
>>>>>>>>> moving.  However, if you trailer your boat in the rain &/or ever
>> take
>>>>>>>> green
>>>>>>>>> water over the deck while sailing; then, you will find the raised
>> lip
>>>>>>>>> around the pop top will not be enough.  Patrick is correct about
>> the
>>>>>>>>> adhesive backed closed cell foam tape adhered to the top and bottom
>>>>>> edge.
>>>>>>>>> This foam-to-foam seal will keep out all but the most driving rain,
>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> expressway speeds.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<
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>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Patrick Cheung<mailto:chitakcheung at gmail.com <mailto:
>> chitakcheung at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2022 6:13 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop too hard enclosure
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> White foam sponge tape, will be adhered to top and bottom edge.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <
>> peter at sunnybeeches.com <mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't think it needs one.  You're just keeping rain out.
>> The
>>>>>>>>> raised lip around the pop-top should be enough to keep water out.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-05-16, at 20:51:22 EDT, Jeff Kantor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What provides the weather seal at the deck?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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