From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 09:06:51 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2023 09:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
Message-ID: <63da7209.ca0a0220.46d7e.c349@mx.google.com>

The Dwyer parts list includes R22 standing rigging dimensions. These are compatible with the IMF mast which is made by Dwyer. Prices may not be current as they are from a couple of years ago. If you cant get help from Stan, I would advise contacting Dwyer for assistance.?Also compare these dimensions with Roger Pihlaja's post, which I have summarised.Joe DempseyTrojan 42M/v VoyagerEx- s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 09:29:28 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2023 09:29:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging Continued
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This is a summary? of a post by Roger Pihlaja several years back and will save you the agony of going through the archives. There are differences and I have inserted the Dwyer measurement to compare. I cannot remember if Roger's dimensions are IMF or not. (Roger: can you elaborate?)NOTE: I created and maintained the now famous Joe Dempsey's Boat Information Book to document the Rhodes 22, its systems, appliances, rigging? fittings, construction and more. I culled fron my own projects as well as from the Rhodes 22 Owner's Archive List.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 09:44:44 2023
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2023 09:44:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging Continued
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Joe, is there a link to your famous Boat Information Book?  Sounds helpful.  

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:29 AM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is a summary  of a post by Roger Pihlaja several years back and will save you the agony of going through the archives. There are differences and I have inserted the Dwyer measurement to compare. I cannot remember if Roger's dimensions are IMF or not. (Roger: can you elaborate?)NOTE: I created and maintained the now famous Joe Dempsey's Boat Information Book to document the Rhodes 22, its systems, appliances, rigging  fittings, construction and more. I culled fron my own projects as well as from the Rhodes 22 Owner's Archive List.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Feb  1 10:36:44 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2023 15:36:44 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging Continued
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Frank,

My Rhodes 22 is a non IMF rig.  It looks like the IMF mast is a few inches longer vs the standard mast.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:44 AM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Joe, is there a link to your famous Boat Information Book?  Sounds helpful.  
> 
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:29 AM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is a summary  of a post by Roger Pihlaja several years back and will save you the agony of going through the archives. There are differences and I have inserted the Dwyer measurement to compare. I cannot remember if Roger's dimensions are IMF or not. (Roger: can you elaborate?)NOTE: I created and maintained the now famous Joe Dempsey's Boat Information Book to document the Rhodes 22, its systems, appliances, rigging  fittings, construction and more. I culled fron my own projects as well as from the Rhodes 22 Owner's Archive List.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 15:41:02 2023
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2023 15:41:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging Continued
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Thanks, Roger.


> On Feb 1, 2023, at 10:36 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Frank,
> 
> My Rhodes 22 is a non IMF rig.  It looks like the IMF mast is a few inches longer vs the standard mast.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:44 AM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Joe, is there a link to your famous Boat Information Book?  Sounds helpful.  
>> 
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>> Fairview, NC
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:29 AM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a summary  of a post by Roger Pihlaja several years back and will save you the agony of going through the archives. There are differences and I have inserted the Dwyer measurement to compare. I cannot remember if Roger's dimensions are IMF or not. (Roger: can you elaborate?)NOTE: I created and maintained the now famous Joe Dempsey's Boat Information Book to document the Rhodes 22, its systems, appliances, rigging  fittings, construction and more. I culled fron my own projects as well as from the Rhodes 22 Owner's Archive List.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  1 16:44:18 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2023 16:44:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging Continued
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Not as of yet. Still waiting for copyright approval. Just kidding. LOL!I'll post segments from time to time as topics appear that I can contribute to.Thanks for asking.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx-s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> Date: 2/1/23  9:44 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging Continued Joe, is there a link to your famous Boat Information Book?? Sounds helpful.? Frank GoldsmithS/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)Fairview, NCLake Keowee, SC> On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:29 AM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> > This is a summary? of a post by Roger Pihlaja several years back and will save you the agony of going through the archives. There are differences and I have inserted the Dwyer measurement to compare. I cannot remember if Roger's dimensions are IMF or not. (Roger: can you elaborate?)NOTE: I created and maintained the now famous Joe Dempsey's Boat Information Book to document the Rhodes 22, its systems, appliances, rigging? fittings, construction and more. I culled fron my own projects as well as from the Rhodes 22 Owner's Archive List.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: Rigging Notes Phihjaa.pdf> Type: application/pdf> Size: 167267 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230201/f34cfc29/attachment.pdf>

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 10 14:47:41 2023
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 14:47:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Pointer Maritime University Lecture Series-
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My yacht club at Fort Monroe runs an education program during the winter
open to anyone at no cost.  You can attend in person or via Zoom.  This
Saturday's class is boater apps.  Have your smartphone or Ipad handy so you
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From mike at traildesign.com  Fri Feb 10 16:55:25 2023
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 16:55:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Pointer Maritime University Lecture
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 11:20:23 2023
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:20:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine ST1000+ Tiller Pilot Installation
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Hi Roger,
 
As usual, you have thought this out very carefully and you make some excellent points about the pros and cons of the pedestal vs the socket installation option for the Tiller Pilot.  Thanks again for all the great experience and guidance that you contribute to this forum.  I am cc?ing the list so your insights about the Tiller Pilot are available to others who might want to install it on their R22.
 
 
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
 
 
 
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 8:32 AM
To: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Subject: RE: Raymarine ST1000+
 
Hi Mike,
 
There?s more than one way to skin this cat.  I don?t want to disparage the way another sailor accomplished the same installation.
 
I considered using the under tiller bracket.  But, I rejected that route because I didn?t want any hardware hanging off the bottom of the tiller.  I have a tiller cover custom made of Sunbrella acrylic fabric.  The cover fits the tiller fairly closely and I would have had to make a new tiller cover or alter the existing cover to fit the bracket.  I was also concerned the bracket would tend to snag on stuff like the mainsheet, traveler control lines, and the lazarette hatch cover.
 
In contrast, with the pedestal mount, there is only a small pin left protruding from the top of the tiller when the Tillerpilot is not in use.  The pedestal mount screws into a special base plate thru bolted onto the top of the gunnel.  When the Tillerpilot is not in use, only the baseplate remains and it is not tall enough to snag anything.
 
When the Tillerpilot is in use, with either method of installation, there are plenty of ?things? a line might get fouled up on.  There is a real possibility of damaging the Tillerpilot.  You must be careful not to let that happen no matter how the Tillerpilot is installed.  I would rate the two methods even in this respect.  When we are sailing with the Tillerpilot, the boat is in ?cruising? mode and we tend to sail gently and  conservatively.  When the Tillerpilot is not in use, often we are racing or otherwise sailing aggressively.  I preferred my method of Tillerpilot mounting because it ?cleans up? the tiller and gunnel to a large extent for when the boat is being sailed hard.
 
Having said all that, obviously wewickman?s method works.  It?s your choice.
 
I think my previous post gave a list of all the pieces/parts necessary to install the Tillerpilot my way.  But, let me know if you have any more questions.
 
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
 
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From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com <mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2023 11:08 AM
To: 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> 
Subject: RE: Raymarine ST1000+
 
Hi Roger,
 
I realize now that it wasn?t your article on the Tiller Pilot installation, it was from wewickman(?).  See attached.
 
Thanks,
 
Mike
 
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com <mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 5:46 AM
To: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com <mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Raymarine ST1000+
 
Michael, 
 
I did use the Raymarine Pedestal Socket.  Can you send me the picture you are referring to?
 
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Feb 8, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com <mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> > wrote:
? Hi Roger, 
 
I?m finally getting around to installing my Tiller Pilot.  When I reviewed your installation notes, you say you used the Raymarine Pedestal Socket, but your picture appears to show the standard Raymarine mounting socket that comes with the Tiller Pilot.   Am I misreading that?

Thanks,
 
Mike
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 8, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com <mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> > wrote:
? 
Hi Roger,
Thanks for the valuable information.  My ultimate goal is to equip s/v Liber with a complete chartplotter and autopilot.  Not because I need it on my little lake, but for the fun and educational value of the project and perhaps some utility during trailer-sailing adventures.
I will of course choose a Raymarine chartplotter to simplify integration.  If you have any thoughts about that I am eager to hear from you.
Thanks again!
Mike McKay
s/v Liber 2006/2018

 


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Mike,

I?ve had a Raymarine ST1000+ Tiller Pilot on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium for about 15 years.  I found it most convenient to use the Raymarine Pedestal Socket to mount the ST1000+ onto the top of the gunnel.  I believe I used the shortest socket assembly 38 mm (P/N: D026) to adjust the vertical position to level out the ST1000+ relative to the tiller.  But, you should measure your boat before ordering this part.  If the ST1000+ is not level relative to the tiller; then, the geometry changes as the actuator strokes and the effective gain of the controller will not be constant.  Variable controller gain is not conducive to holding a steady course.  You will also need some pushrod extensions.  I believe I used the 152 mm (P/N: D008) + the 25 mm (P/N: D003) pushrod extensions.  But, again, you should measure your boat before ordering these parts.  On the tiller, I used the standard tiller pin, epoxied in place.  Be careful to get compound angle of the pin correct on the tiller when you drill the hole.  Remember you only get one chance to drill this hole correctly.  If you screw it up; then, the tiller is ruined!  You want the pin to be vertical with the tiller fully lowered and located 460 mm from the centerline of the rudder?s pintles.  The Pedestal Socket comes with a big backing plate to facilitate thru bolting.  I did not reinforce the gunnel and have had no issues with structural failure.  I mounted the waterproof plug and socket on the side of the cockpit coaming aft of the ST1000, so it would not obstruct seating while the ST1000+ is in use.

If you only want to use your ST1000+ as a basic autopilot with no communication to other instruments via the Seatalk bus or NMEA 0183 bus; then, all you need to provide is 12 amps DC power.  The circuit should be separately fused.  If you want to use the hand held remote &/or communicate with other instruments; then, contact me off the list and I will try to assist.

Basically, it?s a pretty easy installation although there are a few potential booby traps.  The supplied owner?s handbook is pretty good.  If you take your time, follow the instructions, and measure twice/cut once; then, you?ll be fine.  It?s a very useful accessory and I really like mine.  It?s been totally bulletproof.

My ST1000+ does best on points of sail forward of the beam, ie beam reaching up to close hauled.  On points of sail aft of the beam, ie broad reach to a run, there is usually a following sea.  When that following sea is hitting the boat from a stern quarter, it requires the helmsman to anticipate the effect of a wave by counter steering as the wave is passing under the boat.  The ST1000+ (Or any autopilot) has no way to anticipate anything.  So, it?s always in reactive mode and the steered course can look a little wobbly.  It helps to reduce sail area and distribute the sail area fore/aft to keep the helm balanced.  Of course, these are conditions that require the most skill and attention from a human helmsman as well.  The ST1000+ is not as good at maintaining a downwind course as a skilled helmsman who is paying attention.  But, it?s better than a newby helmsman or a tired &/or inattentive helmsman.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
 
-- 
Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com <mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> )
 

From edmc18 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 18:01:17 2023
From: edmc18 at gmail.com (Ed McNamara)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 18:01:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
In-Reply-To: <63da7209.ca0a0220.46d7e.c349@mx.google.com>
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I?m needing to replace my 4 lower shrouds. I never much paid attention to
LH vs RH threads when doing the very occasional ?tune up? but when I took
them off to replace them I realized that 2 are RH and 2 are LH threads. Is
there a logical reason for this. If so, what is the reason and which are
which?

Thanks for your help,
Ed McNamara
S/V Scholar
1988/2001
Smith Mountain Lake VA

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:07 AM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Dwyer parts list includes R22 standing rigging dimensions. These are
> compatible with the IMF mast which is made by Dwyer. Prices may not be
> current as they are from a couple of years ago. If you cant get help from
> Stan, I would advise contacting Dwyer for assistance. Also compare these
> dimensions with Roger Pihlaja's post, which I have summarised.Joe
> DempseyTrojan 42M/v VoyagerEx- s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the
> Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 19:04:47 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 19:04:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
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All turnbuckles have both a righhand and left handed threads. Otherwise
when tightened one end would move up the thread while the opposite end
would loosen.
Just don?t do what I did, many years ago, and retread the turnbuckle in the
wrong direction.

Graham Stewart
Agile

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:01 PM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I?m needing to replace my 4 lower shrouds. I never much paid attention to
> LH vs RH threads when doing the very occasional ?tune up? but when I took
> them off to replace them I realized that 2 are RH and 2 are LH threads. Is
> there a logical reason for this. If so, what is the reason and which are
> which?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Ed McNamara
> S/V Scholar
> 1988/2001
> Smith Mountain Lake VA
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:07 AM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The Dwyer parts list includes R22 standing rigging dimensions. These are
> > compatible with the IMF mast which is made by Dwyer. Prices may not be
> > current as they are from a couple of years ago. If you cant get help from
> > Stan, I would advise contacting Dwyer for assistance. Also compare these
> > dimensions with Roger Pihlaja's post, which I have summarised.Joe
> > DempseyTrojan 42M/v VoyagerEx- s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the
> > Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> >
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> > >
> >
>
-- 
Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com

From edmc18 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 20:26:09 2023
From: edmc18 at gmail.com (Ed McNamara)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 20:26:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
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Thanks for replying Graham. I guess I wasn?t clear in what I was asking.
Two of the threaded ends of the shrouds have right hand threads and two
have left hand threads. I know the turnbuckle has both and that the stubs
(technical name?) threaded in at the opposite end of the turnbuckles  have
to have the opposite thread of the shroud end. But why would the shrouds
not have all LH or all RH threads. I can?t think of a rational explanation
for 2 of each but wonder if I?m missing something.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:05 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> All turnbuckles have both a righhand and left handed threads. Otherwise
> when tightened one end would move up the thread while the opposite end
> would loosen.
> Just don?t do what I did, many years ago, and retread the turnbuckle in the
> wrong direction.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:01 PM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I?m needing to replace my 4 lower shrouds. I never much paid attention to
> > LH vs RH threads when doing the very occasional ?tune up? but when I took
> > them off to replace them I realized that 2 are RH and 2 are LH threads.
> Is
> > there a logical reason for this. If so, what is the reason and which are
> > which?
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Ed McNamara
> > S/V Scholar
> > 1988/2001
> > Smith Mountain Lake VA
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:07 AM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The Dwyer parts list includes R22 standing rigging dimensions. These
> are
> > > compatible with the IMF mast which is made by Dwyer. Prices may not be
> > > current as they are from a couple of years ago. If you cant get help
> from
> > > Stan, I would advise contacting Dwyer for assistance. Also compare
> these
> > > dimensions with Roger Pihlaja's post, which I have summarised.Joe
> > > DempseyTrojan 42M/v VoyagerEx- s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the
> > > Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > Name: Rhodes Rigging.pdf
> > > Type: application/pdf
> > > Size: 237849 bytes
> > > Desc: not available
> > > URL: <
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230201/1d103b1c/attachment.pdf
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Feb 15 21:30:14 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 18:30:14 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
Message-ID: <E1pSU2I-00GG7d-K6@s152.servername.online>

I don't think there's any explanation that you're missing.  My boat as it came to me from the GB factory after recycling has 5 shrouds threaded one way, and one shroud threaded the other.  It would be less mentally challenging to rig the boat if they were all threaded the same way, but other than that, I can't see that it makes any practical difference.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-02-15, at 20:26:09 EST, Ed McNamara wrote:
>
> Thanks for replying Graham. I guess I wasn?t clear in what I was asking. Two of 
> the threaded ends of the shrouds have right hand threads and two have left hand 
> threads. I know the turnbuckle has both and that the stubs (technical name?) 
> threaded in at the opposite end of the turnbuckles  have to have the opposite 
> thread of the shroud end. But why would the shrouds not have all LH or all RH 
> threads. I can?t think of a rational explanation for 2 of each but wonder if I?m 
> missing something. 
> 
> 


From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Wed Feb 15 23:44:13 2023
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 23:44:13 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
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Yes, I misunderstood. I don't have an explanation but as long as it works I
wouldn't worry about it either.
Graham Stewart
gstewart.gm at gmail.com


On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 8:26 PM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for replying Graham. I guess I wasn?t clear in what I was asking.
> Two of the threaded ends of the shrouds have right hand threads and two
> have left hand threads. I know the turnbuckle has both and that the stubs
> (technical name?) threaded in at the opposite end of the turnbuckles  have
> to have the opposite thread of the shroud end. But why would the shrouds
> not have all LH or all RH threads. I can?t think of a rational explanation
> for 2 of each but wonder if I?m missing something.
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:05 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All turnbuckles have both a righhand and left handed threads. Otherwise
> > when tightened one end would move up the thread while the opposite end
> > would loosen.
> > Just don?t do what I did, many years ago, and retread the turnbuckle in
> the
> > wrong direction.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:01 PM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I?m needing to replace my 4 lower shrouds. I never much paid attention
> to
> > > LH vs RH threads when doing the very occasional ?tune up? but when I
> took
> > > them off to replace them I realized that 2 are RH and 2 are LH threads.
> > Is
> > > there a logical reason for this. If so, what is the reason and which
> are
> > > which?
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help,
> > > Ed McNamara
> > > S/V Scholar
> > > 1988/2001
> > > Smith Mountain Lake VA
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:07 AM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The Dwyer parts list includes R22 standing rigging dimensions. These
> > are
> > > > compatible with the IMF mast which is made by Dwyer. Prices may not
> be
> > > > current as they are from a couple of years ago. If you cant get help
> > from
> > > > Stan, I would advise contacting Dwyer for assistance. Also compare
> > these
> > > > dimensions with Roger Pihlaja's post, which I have summarised.Joe
> > > > DempseyTrojan 42M/v VoyagerEx- s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the
> > > > Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> > > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > > Name: Rhodes Rigging.pdf
> > > > Type: application/pdf
> > > > Size: 237849 bytes
> > > > Desc: not available
> > > > URL: <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230201/1d103b1c/attachment.pdf
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > --
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart.gm at gmail.com
> >
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 16 07:10:13 2023
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 07:10:13 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
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References: <CAC-_suQvNQi5PsEDdZFHH1KXOS72vOE1O73djhAETohxP4FAQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91F69A68-78C2-444D-85CD-9D4B2282D44E@verizon.net>

I was curious about this as well. Tops and bottoms are not interchangeable. 
Scott A.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2023, at 8:26 PM, Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for replying Graham. I guess I wasn?t clear in what I was asking.
> Two of the threaded ends of the shrouds have right hand threads and two
> have left hand threads. I know the turnbuckle has both and that the stubs
> (technical name?) threaded in at the opposite end of the turnbuckles  have
> to have the opposite thread of the shroud end. But why would the shrouds
> not have all LH or all RH threads. I can?t think of a rational explanation
> for 2 of each but wonder if I?m missing something.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:05 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> All turnbuckles have both a righhand and left handed threads. Otherwise
>> when tightened one end would move up the thread while the opposite end
>> would loosen.
>> Just don?t do what I did, many years ago, and retread the turnbuckle in the
>> wrong direction.
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 6:01 PM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?m needing to replace my 4 lower shrouds. I never much paid attention to
>>> LH vs RH threads when doing the very occasional ?tune up? but when I took
>>> them off to replace them I realized that 2 are RH and 2 are LH threads.
>> Is
>>> there a logical reason for this. If so, what is the reason and which are
>>> which?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Ed McNamara
>>> S/V Scholar
>>> 1988/2001
>>> Smith Mountain Lake VA
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 9:07 AM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The Dwyer parts list includes R22 standing rigging dimensions. These
>> are
>>>> compatible with the IMF mast which is made by Dwyer. Prices may not be
>>>> current as they are from a couple of years ago. If you cant get help
>> from
>>>> Stan, I would advise contacting Dwyer for assistance. Also compare
>> these
>>>> dimensions with Roger Pihlaja's post, which I have summarised.Joe
>>>> DempseyTrojan 42M/v VoyagerEx- s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the
>>>> Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>>>> Name: Rhodes Rigging.pdf
>>>> Type: application/pdf
>>>> Size: 237849 bytes
>>>> Desc: not available
>>>> URL: <
>>>> 
>>> 
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230201/1d103b1c/attachment.pdf
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> --
>> Graham Stewart
>> gstewart.gm at gmail.com
>> 


From edmc18 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 09:58:35 2023
From: edmc18 at gmail.com (Ed McNamara)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 09:58:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
In-Reply-To: <E1pSU2I-00GG7d-K6@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1pSU2I-00GG7d-K6@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAC-_suRFyVCf-FiYsSLwxhBT49vwg15fubTRm_HY99o5BtUKBw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys. My worries are over. ?

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 9:30 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I don't think there's any explanation that you're missing.  My boat as it
> came to me from the GB factory after recycling has 5 shrouds threaded one
> way, and one shroud threaded the other.  It would be less mentally
> challenging to rig the boat if they were all threaded the same way, but
> other than that, I can't see that it makes any practical difference.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2023-02-15, at 20:26:09 EST, Ed McNamara wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for replying Graham. I guess I wasn?t clear in what I was asking.
> Two of
> > the threaded ends of the shrouds have right hand threads and two have
> left hand
> > threads. I know the turnbuckle has both and that the stubs (technical
> name?)
> > threaded in at the opposite end of the turnbuckles  have to have the
> opposite
> > thread of the shroud end. But why would the shrouds not have all LH or
> all RH
> > threads. I can?t think of a rational explanation for 2 of each but
> wonder if I?m
> > missing something.
> >
> >
>
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 06:02:10 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 06:02:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
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It only matters if you have OCD like me. ?

I bought new Lewmar 14 self-tailers and the handle turns counter-clockwise
to tighten the sheets. The drum still turns clockwise. I'm not sure if I
even want to install them... you know, lefty > tighty... That will drive me
nuts.

Todd T


On Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 9:58 AM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks guys. My worries are over. ?
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 9:30 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't think there's any explanation that you're missing.  My boat as it
> > came to me from the GB factory after recycling has 5 shrouds threaded one
> > way, and one shroud threaded the other.  It would be less mentally
> > challenging to rig the boat if they were all threaded the same way, but
> > other than that, I can't see that it makes any practical difference.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> > > On 2023-02-15, at 20:26:09 EST, Ed McNamara wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for replying Graham. I guess I wasn?t clear in what I was
> asking.
> > Two of
> > > the threaded ends of the shrouds have right hand threads and two have
> > left hand
> > > threads. I know the turnbuckle has both and that the stubs (technical
> > name?)
> > > threaded in at the opposite end of the turnbuckles  have to have the
> > opposite
> > > thread of the shroud end. But why would the shrouds not have all LH or
> > all RH
> > > threads. I can?t think of a rational explanation for 2 of each but
> > wonder if I?m
> > > missing something.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

From edmc18 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 09:25:41 2023
From: edmc18 at gmail.com (Ed McNamara)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 09:25:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMNupHLg4mh1yk0giMFbgGVBM--LRHeY-OMngosOTigAgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1pSU2I-00GG7d-K6@s152.servername.online>
 <CAC-_suRFyVCf-FiYsSLwxhBT49vwg15fubTRm_HY99o5BtUKBw@mail.gmail.com>
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I?m with you Todd. ? I?m think I?ll put the LH threads to Port and the RH
threads to Starboard.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 6:02 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It only matters if you have OCD like me. ?
>
> I bought new Lewmar 14 self-tailers and the handle turns counter-clockwise
> to tighten the sheets. The drum still turns clockwise. I'm not sure if I
> even want to install them... you know, lefty > tighty... That will drive me
> nuts.
>
> Todd T
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 9:58 AM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks guys. My worries are over. ?
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 9:30 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think there's any explanation that you're missing.  My boat as
> it
> > > came to me from the GB factory after recycling has 5 shrouds threaded
> one
> > > way, and one shroud threaded the other.  It would be less mentally
> > > challenging to rig the boat if they were all threaded the same way, but
> > > other than that, I can't see that it makes any practical difference.
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >
> > > > On 2023-02-15, at 20:26:09 EST, Ed McNamara wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for replying Graham. I guess I wasn?t clear in what I was
> > asking.
> > > Two of
> > > > the threaded ends of the shrouds have right hand threads and two have
> > > left hand
> > > > threads. I know the turnbuckle has both and that the stubs (technical
> > > name?)
> > > > threaded in at the opposite end of the turnbuckles  have to have the
> > > opposite
> > > > thread of the shroud end. But why would the shrouds not have all LH
> or
> > > all RH
> > > > threads. I can?t think of a rational explanation for 2 of each but
> > > wonder if I?m
> > > > missing something.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Feb 17 09:36:50 2023
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:36:50 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging
In-Reply-To: <CAC-_suSyLuwsC2k=66LmqO51W1wcV1LfWUQpMQ3S=39YXxoTKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1pSU2I-00GG7d-K6@s152.servername.online>
 <CAC-_suRFyVCf-FiYsSLwxhBT49vwg15fubTRm_HY99o5BtUKBw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMNupHLg4mh1yk0giMFbgGVBM--LRHeY-OMngosOTigAgg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Guys,

On the turnbuckles on my boat, one end of the female threaded part (the ?buckle?) is LH threads and the other end is RH threads.  That way, the male threaded studs on each end loosen or tighten at the same time when you turn the buckle.  All turnbuckles work this way.

Roger Pihlaja
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From: Ed McNamara<mailto:edmc18 at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2023 6:25 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Rigging

I?m with you Todd. ? I?m think I?ll put the LH threads to Port and the RH
threads to Starboard.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 6:02 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It only matters if you have OCD like me. ?
>
> I bought new Lewmar 14 self-tailers and the handle turns counter-clockwise
> to tighten the sheets. The drum still turns clockwise. I'm not sure if I
> even want to install them... you know, lefty > tighty... That will drive me
> nuts.
>
> Todd T
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 9:58 AM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks guys. My worries are over. ?
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 9:30 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I don't think there's any explanation that you're missing.  My boat as
> it
> > > came to me from the GB factory after recycling has 5 shrouds threaded
> one
> > > way, and one shroud threaded the other.  It would be less mentally
> > > challenging to rig the boat if they were all threaded the same way, but
> > > other than that, I can't see that it makes any practical difference.
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >
> > > > On 2023-02-15, at 20:26:09 EST, Ed McNamara wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for replying Graham. I guess I wasn?t clear in what I was
> > asking.
> > > Two of
> > > > the threaded ends of the shrouds have right hand threads and two have
> > > left hand
> > > > threads. I know the turnbuckle has both and that the stubs (technical
> > > name?)
> > > > threaded in at the opposite end of the turnbuckles  have to have the
> > > opposite
> > > > thread of the shroud end. But why would the shrouds not have all LH
> or
> > > all RH
> > > > threads. I can?t think of a rational explanation for 2 of each but
> > > wonder if I?m
> > > > missing something.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>


From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 18:01:48 2023
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 18:01:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Pointer Maritime University- SpinSheet Magazine
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This week's PMU is being given by the editor of Spinsheet Magazine, a
popular sailing magazine here on the Chesapeake Bay.
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From edmc18 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 12:12:47 2023
From: edmc18 at gmail.com (Ed McNamara)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:12:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats
Message-ID: <CAC-_suTp4REiWQQQrn-8ADbZk2p8_mdux-OuUbFK72Sfgj_RYg@mail.gmail.com>

I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of parts.
I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there someone
else I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done?
Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I can
live without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days I?ll
go elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make that
happen.

Thanks,
Ed McNamara
S/V Scholar
Smith Mountain Lake VA

From rweiss at siu.edu  Sat Feb 18 12:15:29 2023
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 17:15:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats
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Contact Charles Gabriel -- charles.gabriel at gmail.com

Bob

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I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of parts.
I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there someone
else I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done?
Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I can
live without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days I?ll
go elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make that
happen.

Thanks,
Ed McNamara
S/V Scholar
Smith Mountain Lake VA

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Feb 18 12:52:32 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:52:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats
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Any local marine supplier can make the shrouds. Just bring in the old should and they will make it, sometimes while you wait.Mikes/v Wind Lass, "91Nissequogue River. NY
-------- Original message --------From: Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> Date: 2/18/23  12:13 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of parts.I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there someoneelse I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done?Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I canlive without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days I?llgo elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make thathappen.Thanks,Ed McNamaraS/V ScholarSmith Mountain Lake VA

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 18 14:56:28 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 19:56:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.
References: <474026440.2945844.1676750188136.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <474026440.2945844.1676750188136@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,? Well it seems that I've gone and purchased a 1986 Rhodes 22!? Consider this the first in a series of pleas for help and information that I expect will continue for a least the foreseeable future and quite likely well beyond.? I'm a fairly green sailor and purchased my Rhodes based on research and reputation, I have not even sailed in one (perhaps I'm a bit impulsive also).? At any rate, I'm in the process of title transfer and registration and have not yet taken possession of the boat.? I do however have the shrouds, at least two of which require replacement, which I'll take care of soon.? 
??? Interestingly, the spreaders which I have are of different lengths by a couple of inches.? Is that normal? On which side does the shorter spreader belong?? Also as I'm getting the boat with all the stays removed, does anyone have a diagram of which shroud attaches to which chainplate?? I have the manual from the "Documents" section, and it maybe obvious once I start putting it all together, but a picture is worth a thousand words if there is one to be had.?? Lastly, unfortunately this boat does not come with the mast raising system, so I'd love to know if anyone has any info re:? alternate mast raising methods, perhaps gin pole and trailer winch, or the like.
Thanks, 
?? Peter Beckerman? s/v name pending
?? 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Feb 18 15:11:54 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:11:54 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.
Message-ID: <E1pTTYo-00Bqec-8G@s152.servername.online>

Peter,

Congratulations on you 'new' boat.

One answer I can give you off the top of my head... both spreaders should be the same length.

Questions for you:

IMF or standard mast?

Where are you located?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-02-18, at 14:56:28 EST, peter beckerman wrote:
>
> Hi all,&nbsp; Well it seems that I've gone and purchased a 1986 Rhodes 22!&nbsp; 
> Consider this the first in a series of pleas for help and information that I 
> expect will continue for a least the foreseeable future and quite likely well 
> beyond.&nbsp; I'm a fairly green sailor and purchased my Rhodes based on 
> research and reputation, I have not even sailed in one (perhaps I'm a bit 
> impulsive also).&nbsp; At any rate, I'm in the process of title transfer and 
> registration and have not yet taken possession of the boat.&nbsp; I do however 
> have the shrouds, at least two of which require replacement, which I'll take 
> care of soon. 
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Interestingly, the spreaders which I have are of different 
> lengths by a couple of inches.&nbsp; Is that normal? On which side does the 
> shorter spreader belong?&nbsp; Also as I'm getting the boat with all the stays 
> removed, does anyone have a diagram of which shroud attaches to which 
> chainplate?&nbsp; I have the manual from the "Documents" section, and it maybe 
> obvious once I start putting it all together, but a picture is worth a thousand 
> words if there is one to be had.&nbsp;&nbsp; Lastly, unfortunately this boat 
> does not come with the mast raising system, so I'd love to know if anyone has 
> any info re:&nbsp; alternate mast raising methods, perhaps gin pole and trailer 
> winch, or the like. 
> Thanks,
> &nbsp;&nbsp; Peter Beckerman&nbsp; s/v name pending
> 
> 


From stan at generalboats.com  Sat Feb 18 16:19:03 2023
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats
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ED, seems whatever technical gods there be, must be working today. Here 
I am in the middle of a book long response to your prior email when I 
hear my Apple signal an incoming new message.

Hang in there. I am hoping to hit 'send' today, tomorrow the latest.? My 
problem is age.? After 94 I noticed my mind and my body starting to part 
company; they both are slowing down but for different excuses: It takes 
more energy to get me out of bed each day so less hours available for 
work. While each year that I manage to make it through, whether I want 
to or not, I get a little more knowledgeable, "smarts" that I feel I 
should be passing along.? And that slows me down.

stan

Smith Mountain Lake?? One of her haunts Rose told me about. She was a 
hill billy from Roanoke who got an RN license from the Medical College 
of VA that opened the world for her and added a bit more validity to 
grandma's belief of opposites attracting. I have not seen friends or 
family come near our 72 years of such joyous living as one. The business 
offers some small relief from the pain so that remains the plan.


2/18/23 12:12 PM, Ed McNamara wrote:
> I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of parts.
> I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there someone
> else I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done?
> Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I can
> live without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days I?ll
> go elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make that
> happen.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed McNamara
> S/V Scholar
> Smith Mountain Lake VA


From gramille at tds.net  Sat Feb 18 17:03:10 2023
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 17:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats
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So good to hear from Stan!
Keep passing those smarts down the line!
Graham Parker
'SV 007Sailing?
Lake Champlain

> On Feb 18, 2023, at 16:19, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ED, seems whatever technical gods there be, must be working today. Here I am in the middle of a book long response to your prior email when I hear my Apple signal an incoming new message.
> 
> Hang in there. I am hoping to hit 'send' today, tomorrow the latest.  My problem is age.  After 94 I noticed my mind and my body starting to part company; they both are slowing down but for different excuses: It takes more energy to get me out of bed each day so less hours available for work. While each year that I manage to make it through, whether I want to or not, I get a little more knowledgeable, "smarts" that I feel I should be passing along.  And that slows me down.
> 
> stan
> 
> Smith Mountain Lake?  One of her haunts Rose told me about. She was a hill billy from Roanoke who got an RN license from the Medical College of VA that opened the world for her and added a bit more validity to grandma's belief of opposites attracting. I have not seen friends or family come near our 72 years of such joyous living as one. The business offers some small relief from the pain so that remains the plan.
> 
> 
> 2/18/23 12:12 PM, Ed McNamara wrote:
>> I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of parts.
>> I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there someone
>> else I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done?
>> Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I can
>> live without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days I?ll
>> go elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make that
>> happen.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ed McNamara
>> S/V Scholar
>> Smith Mountain Lake VA
> 


From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 18 17:08:16 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 22:08:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes
References: <1795241131.2953188.1676758096217.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1795241131.2953188.1676758096217@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Peter!  It has the IMF mast.  I'm in Pittsburgh, PA, the boat is currently in Kentucky.  I'll go get it in a few weeks.  You don't happen to know what the correct length each spreader is supposed to be by any chance?  Seeing as I'm replacing shrouds, might as well get the spreaders set correctly.

Thanks again,
    Peter





Peter,

Congratulations on you 'new' boat.

One answer I can give you off the top of my head... both spreaders should be the same length.

Questions for you:

IMF or standard mast?

Where are you located?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-02-18, at 14:56:28 EST, peter beckerman wrote:
>
> Hi all,&nbsp; Well it seems that I've gone and purchased a 1986 Rhodes 22!&nbsp;
> Consider this the first in a series of pleas for help and information that I
> expect will continue for a least the foreseeable future and quite likely well
> beyond.&nbsp; I'm a fairly green sailor and purchased my Rhodes based on
> research and reputation, I have not even sailed in one (perhaps I'm a bit
> impulsive also).&nbsp; At any rate, I'm in the process of title transfer and
> registration and have not yet taken possession of the boat.&nbsp; I do however
> have the shrouds, at least two of which require replacement, which I'll take
> care of soon.
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Interestingly, the spreaders which I have are of different
> lengths by a couple of inches.&nbsp; Is that normal? On which side does the
> shorter spreader belong?&nbsp; Also as I'm getting the boat with all the stays
> removed, does anyone have a diagram of which shroud attaches to which
> chainplate?&nbsp; I have the manual from the "Documents" section, and it maybe
> obvious once I start putting it all together, but a picture is worth a thousand
> words if there is one to be had.&nbsp;&nbsp; Lastly, unfortunately this boat
> does not come with the mast raising system, so I'd love to know if anyone has
> any info re:&nbsp; alternate mast raising methods, perhaps gin pole and trailer
> winch, or the like.
> Thanks,
> &nbsp;&nbsp; Peter Beckerman&nbsp; s/v name pending

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Feb 18 17:39:41 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 14:39:41 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes
Message-ID: <E1pTVrp-00D7st-KF@s152.servername.online>

I'll try to remember sometime tomorrow to crawl under the tarp covering my boat for the winter, measure mine, and let you know.

Is there someplace to sail near Pittsburgh?  The nearest large body of water seems to be Lake Erie.

--Peter

> On 2023-02-18, at 17:08:16 EST, recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Thanks Peter!  It has the IMF mast.  I'm in Pittsburgh, PA, the boat is 
> currently in Kentucky.  I'll go get it in a few weeks.  You don't happen to know 
> what the correct length each spreader is supposed to be by any chance?  Seeing 
> as I'm replacing shrouds, might as well get the spreaders set correctly. 
> 
> Thanks again,
>     Peter
> 


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 19:57:08 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 19:57:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <1795241131.2953188.1676758096217@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <63f17408.170a0220.b2c09.09ae@mx.google.com>

Look at the Dwyer Spec sheet I posted last week.Joe Dempseym/v VoyagerEx-s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 2/18/23  5:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes Thanks Peter!? It has the IMF mast.? I'm in Pittsburgh, PA, the boat is currently in Kentucky.? I'll go get it in a few weeks.? You don't happen to know what the correct length each spreader is supposed to be by any chance?? Seeing as I'm replacing shrouds, might as well get the spreaders set correctly.Thanks again,??? PeterPeter,Congratulations on you 'new' boat.One answer I can give you off the top of my head... both spreaders should be the same length.Questions for you:IMF or standard mast?Where are you located?Peter NybergCoventry, CTs/v Silverheels (1988/2016)> On 2023-02-18, at 14:56:28 EST, peter beckerman wrote:>> Hi all,&nbsp; Well it seems that I've gone and purchased a 1986 Rhodes 22!&nbsp;> Consider this the first in a series of pleas for help and information that I> expect will continue for a least the foreseeable future and quite likely well> beyond.&nbsp; I'm a fairly green sailor and purchased my Rhodes based on> research and reputation, I have not even sailed in one (perhaps I'm a bit> impulsive also).&nbsp; At any rate, I'm in the process of title transfer and> registration and have not yet taken possession of the boat.&nbsp; I do however> have the shrouds, at least two of which require replacement, which I'll take> care of soon.> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Interestingly, the spreaders which I have are of different> lengths by a couple of inches.&nbsp; Is that normal? On which side does the> shorter spreader belong?&nbsp; Also as I'm getting the boat with all the stays> removed, does anyone have a diagram of which shroud attaches to which> chainplate?&nbsp; I have the manual from the "Documents" section, and it maybe> obvious once I start putting it all together, but a picture is worth a thousand> words if there is one to be had.&nbsp;&nbsp; Lastly, unfortunately this boat> does not come with the mast raising system, so I'd love to know if anyone has> any info re:&nbsp; alternate mast raising methods, perhaps gin pole and trailer> winch, or the like.> Thanks,> &nbsp;&nbsp; Peter Beckerman&nbsp; s/v name pending

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 20:00:09 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 20:00:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats
In-Reply-To: <1D815DD4-D48D-4130-BE74-546E47442A91@tds.net>
Message-ID: <63f1749c.170a0220.b2c09.09bd@mx.google.com>

So good to heR from you, Stan!Joe DempseySent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> Date: 2/18/23  5:03 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats So good to hear from Stan!Keep passing those smarts down the line!Graham Parker'SV 007Sailing?Lake Champlain> On Feb 18, 2023, at 16:19, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> > ED, seems whatever technical gods there be, must be working today. Here I am in the middle of a book long response to your prior email when I hear my Apple signal an incoming new message.> > Hang in there. I am hoping to hit 'send' today, tomorrow the latest.? My problem is age.? After 94 I noticed my mind and my body starting to part company; they both are slowing down but for different excuses: It takes more energy to get me out of bed each day so less hours available for work. While each year that I manage to make it through, whether I want to or not, I get a little more knowledgeable, "smarts" that I feel I should be passing along.? And that slows me down.> > stan> > Smith Mountain Lake?? One of her haunts Rose told me about. She was a hill billy from Roanoke who got an RN license from the Medical College of VA that opened the world for her and added a bit more validity to grandma's belief of opposites attracting. I have not seen friends or family come near our 72 years of such joyous living as one. The business offers some small relief from the pain so that remains the plan.> > > 2/18/23 12:12 PM, Ed McNamara wrote:>> I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of parts.>> I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there someone>> else I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done?>> Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I can>> live without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days I?ll>> go elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make that>> happen.>> >> Thanks,>> Ed McNamara>> S/V Scholar>> Smith Mountain Lake VA> 

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 21:41:27 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2023 21:41:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.
In-Reply-To: <474026440.2945844.1676750188136@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <474026440.2945844.1676750188136.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <474026440.2945844.1676750188136@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMM0QSTnJA4UN2cA68u7EqTnoMX9oLLHVgMASpKXGyykNw@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

Can you give us a little information first so we can give you more help and
better advice?

1.) Where will the boat be located when you take possession?  Maybe someone
will be close enough to help with the mast raising.

And if you are handy, I can give you enough info and pics to build your own
system. I use the trailer winch. You may not know these answers yet.

2) What type of foresail furler do you have?
3) What type of mast do you have?
4) What type of traveler do you have?

Ok...
As the other Peter said, both spreaders should be the same length.
You could cut the longer one down to match or make 2 new ones depending.

I have 2 sets. One on my 1984 and a set from an older 1976 in the garage.
Both standard masts (not IMF).
The ones on the 1984 are 35?" (measured 35 5/8ths when measured from the
side of the mast to tip when sitting in the bracket) and the ones from the
1976 are 35" measured directly. So the 35? is probably the better length
for your 1986 if its a standard mast. In that range should work as long as
they are both the same.

We'll help you sort out the arrangement of the shrouds and stays when
you're ready.
I'll give a brief description now and you can refer back to it when the
time comes.

I have the standard mast so this applies to my set-up.
The spreader brackets should be triangular on the bottom. The lower shrouds
(shortest ones- 4 each) attach to the two holes under the spreaders and go
to the chain plates on the cabin top. Forward and rear goes without saying.

The upper shrouds are attached to a tang on either side of the mast, just
below the mast head fitting. They run through the spreader tips and to the
chainplate tangs coming out of the toe rail on the sides of the deck
amidships.

Your masthead fitting may be different than mine, but the forestay attaches
to the front of the fitting. My forestay has swaged T bolt and toggle
fitting swaged at the top. That connects to another toggle that rides over
a pin going through both sides of the masthead. The bottom attaches to the
chainplate tang on the bow.

The backstay is a continous wire that has a swaged fitting creating an
inverted V with a loop at the top. It attaches to the masthead fitting by a
single toggle over a pin through the masthead fitting. The bottom ends
attach to the chainplates on the stern corners.

Todd T



On Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 2:57 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi all,  Well it seems that I've gone and purchased a 1986 Rhodes 22!
> Consider this the first in a series of pleas for help and information that
> I expect will continue for a least the foreseeable future and quite likely
> well beyond.  I'm a fairly green sailor and purchased my Rhodes based on
> research and reputation, I have not even sailed in one (perhaps I'm a bit
> impulsive also).  At any rate, I'm in the process of title transfer and
> registration and have not yet taken possession of the boat.  I do however
> have the shrouds, at least two of which require replacement, which I'll
> take care of soon.
>     Interestingly, the spreaders which I have are of different lengths by
> a couple of inches.  Is that normal? On which side does the shorter
> spreader belong?  Also as I'm getting the boat with all the stays removed,
> does anyone have a diagram of which shroud attaches to which chainplate?  I
> have the manual from the "Documents" section, and it maybe obvious once I
> start putting it all together, but a picture is worth a thousand words if
> there is one to be had.   Lastly, unfortunately this boat does not come
> with the mast raising system, so I'd love to know if anyone has any info
> re:  alternate mast raising methods, perhaps gin pole and trailer winch, or
> the like.
> Thanks,
>    Peter Beckerman  s/v name pending
>
>
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 19 08:53:00 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:53:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <63f17408.170a0220.b2c09.09ae@mx.google.com>
References: <1795241131.2953188.1676758096217@mail.yahoo.com>
 <63f17408.170a0220.b2c09.09ae@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1278087760.500285.1676814780289@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Joe,?? Thanks for the response.? I had to look twice to find the measurements for the spreaders on the spec sheet and I'm still not entirely clear.? It maybe a problem with the formatting but I think it says: "Spreader DH2540 35- 1/2? cut to 34- 1/2? $ 71.79? 1? OD Tubing .75?ID.?? So by my read I think the spreader is 34 1/2".? Does that sound right?? Not sure why they're telling us that they cut it down from 35 1/2"?? I'll have to measure mine.? Thanks for the help.
Peter



    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 07:57:47 PM EST, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Look at the Dwyer Spec sheet I posted last week.
Joe Dempseym/v VoyagerEx-s/v RespiteDeltaville, VA


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Peter via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 2/18/23 5:08 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes 
Thanks Peter!? It has the IMF mast.? I'm in Pittsburgh, PA, the boat is currently in Kentucky.? I'll go get it in a few weeks.? You don't happen to know what the correct length each spreader is supposed to be by any chance?? Seeing as I'm replacing shrouds, might as well get the spreaders set correctly.

Thanks again,
??? Peter





Peter,

Congratulations on you 'new' boat.

One answer I can give you off the top of my head... both spreaders should be the same length.

Questions for you:

IMF or standard mast?

Where are you located?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-02-18, at 14:56:28 EST, peter beckerman wrote:
>
> Hi all,&nbsp; Well it seems that I've gone and purchased a 1986 Rhodes 22!&nbsp;
> Consider this the first in a series of pleas for help and information that I
> expect will continue for a least the foreseeable future and quite likely well
> beyond.&nbsp; I'm a fairly green sailor and purchased my Rhodes based on
> research and reputation, I have not even sailed in one (perhaps I'm a bit
> impulsive also).&nbsp; At any rate, I'm in the process of title transfer and
> registration and have not yet taken possession of the boat.&nbsp; I do however
> have the shrouds, at least two of which require replacement, which I'll take
> care of soon.
> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Interestingly, the spreaders which I have are of different
> lengths by a couple of inches.&nbsp; Is that normal? On which side does the
> shorter spreader belong?&nbsp; Also as I'm getting the boat with all the stays
> removed, does anyone have a diagram of which shroud attaches to which
> chainplate?&nbsp; I have the manual from the "Documents" section, and it maybe
> obvious once I start putting it all together, but a picture is worth a thousand
> words if there is one to be had.&nbsp;&nbsp; Lastly, unfortunately this boat
> does not come with the mast raising system, so I'd love to know if anyone has
> any info re:&nbsp; alternate mast raising methods, perhaps gin pole and trailer
> winch, or the like.
> Thanks,
> &nbsp;&nbsp; Peter Beckerman&nbsp; s/v name pending
  

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 19 09:19:15 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 14:19:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMM0QSTnJA4UN2cA68u7EqTnoMX9oLLHVgMASpKXGyykNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <474026440.2945844.1676750188136.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <474026440.2945844.1676750188136@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAB-twMM0QSTnJA4UN2cA68u7EqTnoMX9oLLHVgMASpKXGyykNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <842696270.3054911.1676816355401@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Todd,?? Thanks for all the info.? After re-reading the owners manual and your info, and looking at pictures/videos and everything else I can find I'm feeling a bit more confident about getting this rigged. ? I guess I just got a little spooked (there are how many stays?).???? Joe Dempsey posted a Dwyer spec sheet that seems to place the spreader length somewhere in the 34.5 to 35.5 inches range which seems to jive with your numbers (loosely).? I'll measure mine and cut or replace as seems best.? I'm guessing that an inch or so of spreader length will come out in the wash.
?? When I drag the boat home it'll be based at Lake Arthur in Moraine State Park a bit north of Pittsburgh.? After I get used to it for a bit I'm hoping to take trips to the great lakes.?? She has the IMF mast and the original general boats roller furling head sail system.? Not sure about the traveler, I didn't know there were different versions other than original and the newer endless line system.? (It's not the new one).? 
?? I consider myself somewhat handy and would welcome any info on your mast raising system.
Again, thanks to everyone for helping me through the learning curve.
Peter

    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 09:41:47 PM EST, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Peter,?
Can you give us a little information first so we can give you more help and better advice?
1.) Where will the boat be located when you take possession?? Maybe someone will be close enough to help with the mast raising.
And if you are handy, I can give you enough info and pics to build your own system. I use the trailer winch. You may not know these answers yet.
2) What type of foresail furler do you have?3) What type of mast do you have?
4) What type of traveler do you have?
Ok...As the other Peter said, both spreaders should be the same length.You could cut the longer one down to match or make 2 new ones depending.
I have 2 sets. One on my 1984 and a set from an older 1976 in the garage. Both standard masts (not IMF).The ones on the 1984 are 35?" (measured 35 5/8ths when measured from the side of the mast to tip when sitting in the bracket) and the ones from the 1976 are 35" measured directly. So the 35? is probably the better length for your 1986 if its a standard mast. In that range should work as long as they are both the same.
We'll help you sort out the arrangement of the shrouds and stays when you're ready.I'll give a brief description now and you can refer back to it when the time comes.
I have the standard mast so this applies to my set-up.The spreader brackets should be triangular on the bottom. The lower shrouds (shortest ones- 4 each) attach to the two holes under the spreaders and go to the chain plates on the cabin top. Forward and rear goes without saying.
The upper shrouds are attached to a tang on either?side of the mast, just below the mast head fitting. They run through the spreader tips and to the chainplate tangs coming out of the toe rail on the sides of the deck amidships.
Your masthead fitting may be different than mine, but the forestay attaches to the front of the fitting. My forestay has swaged T bolt and toggle fitting swaged at the top. That connects to another toggle that rides over a pin going through both sides of the masthead. The bottom attaches to the chainplate tang on the bow.
The backstay is a continous wire that has a swaged fitting creating an inverted V with a loop at the top. It attaches to the masthead fitting by a single toggle over a pin through the masthead fitting. The bottom ends attach to the chainplates on the stern corners.
Todd T


On Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 2:57 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

Hi all,? Well it seems that I've gone and purchased a 1986 Rhodes 22!? Consider this the first in a series of pleas for help and information that I expect will continue for a least the foreseeable future and quite likely well beyond.? I'm a fairly green sailor and purchased my Rhodes based on research and reputation, I have not even sailed in one (perhaps I'm a bit impulsive also).? At any rate, I'm in the process of title transfer and registration and have not yet taken possession of the boat.? I do however have the shrouds, at least two of which require replacement, which I'll take care of soon.? 
??? Interestingly, the spreaders which I have are of different lengths by a couple of inches.? Is that normal? On which side does the shorter spreader belong?? Also as I'm getting the boat with all the stays removed, does anyone have a diagram of which shroud attaches to which chainplate?? I have the manual from the "Documents" section, and it maybe obvious once I start putting it all together, but a picture is worth a thousand words if there is one to be had.?? Lastly, unfortunately this boat does not come with the mast raising system, so I'd love to know if anyone has any info re:? alternate mast raising methods, perhaps gin pole and trailer winch, or the like.
Thanks, 
?? Peter Beckerman? s/v name pending
?? 

  

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Feb 19 12:17:19 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 09:17:19 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes
Message-ID: <E1pTnJP-003A1Z-2A@s152.servername.online>

My spreaders are 35 5/8" long, not including the plastic pieces on the outboard ends.

--Peter

> On 2023-02-18, at 17:39:41 EST, Peter Nyberg wrote:
>
> I'll try to remember sometime tomorrow to crawl under the tarp covering my boat 
> for the winter, measure mine, and let you know. 
> 
> Is there someplace to sail near Pittsburgh?  The nearest large body of water 
> seems to be Lake Erie. 
> 
> --Peter
> 
> 


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 12:40:22 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:40:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.
In-Reply-To: <842696270.3054911.1676816355401@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <474026440.2945844.1676750188136.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <474026440.2945844.1676750188136@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAB-twMM0QSTnJA4UN2cA68u7EqTnoMX9oLLHVgMASpKXGyykNw@mail.gmail.com>
 <842696270.3054911.1676816355401@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004d01d94489$44b12a50$ce137ef0$@gmail.com>

Peter,
Don?t forget the nylon shims. If you can't find any, take a milk jug and cut some.

Joe Dempsey
m/v Voyager
Ex-s/v Respite
Deltaville, VA

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 9:19 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.

 Hi Todd,   Thanks for all the info.  After re-reading the owners manual and your info, and looking at pictures/videos and everything else I can find I'm feeling a bit more confident about getting this rigged.   I guess I just got a little spooked (there are how many stays?).     Joe Dempsey posted a Dwyer spec sheet that seems to place the spreader length somewhere in the 34.5 to 35.5 inches range which seems to jive with your numbers (loosely).  I'll measure mine and cut or replace as seems best.  I'm guessing that an inch or so of spreader length will come out in the wash.
   When I drag the boat home it'll be based at Lake Arthur in Moraine State Park a bit north of Pittsburgh.  After I get used to it for a bit I'm hoping to take trips to the great lakes.   She has the IMF mast and the original general boats roller furling head sail system.  Not sure about the traveler, I didn't know there were different versions other than original and the newer endless line system.  (It's not the new one).  
   I consider myself somewhat handy and would welcome any info on your mast raising system.
Again, thanks to everyone for helping me through the learning curve.
Peter

    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 09:41:47 PM EST, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Peter, 
Can you give us a little information first so we can give you more help and better advice?
1.) Where will the boat be located when you take possession?  Maybe someone will be close enough to help with the mast raising.
And if you are handy, I can give you enough info and pics to build your own system. I use the trailer winch. You may not know these answers yet.
2) What type of foresail furler do you have?3) What type of mast do you have?
4) What type of traveler do you have?
Ok...As the other Peter said, both spreaders should be the same length.You could cut the longer one down to match or make 2 new ones depending.
I have 2 sets. One on my 1984 and a set from an older 1976 in the garage. Both standard masts (not IMF).The ones on the 1984 are 35?" (measured 35 5/8ths when measured from the side of the mast to tip when sitting in the bracket) and the ones from the 1976 are 35" measured directly. So the 35? is probably the better length for your 1986 if its a standard mast. In that range should work as long as they are both the same.
We'll help you sort out the arrangement of the shrouds and stays when you're ready.I'll give a brief description now and you can refer back to it when the time comes.
I have the standard mast so this applies to my set-up.The spreader brackets should be triangular on the bottom. The lower shrouds (shortest ones- 4 each) attach to the two holes under the spreaders and go to the chain plates on the cabin top. Forward and rear goes without saying.
The upper shrouds are attached to a tang on either side of the mast, just below the mast head fitting. They run through the spreader tips and to the chainplate tangs coming out of the toe rail on the sides of the deck amidships.
Your masthead fitting may be different than mine, but the forestay attaches to the front of the fitting. My forestay has swaged T bolt and toggle fitting swaged at the top. That connects to another toggle that rides over a pin going through both sides of the masthead. The bottom attaches to the chainplate tang on the bow.
The backstay is a continous wire that has a swaged fitting creating an inverted V with a loop at the top. It attaches to the masthead fitting by a single toggle over a pin through the masthead fitting. The bottom ends attach to the chainplates on the stern corners.
Todd T


On Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 2:57 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

Hi all,  Well it seems that I've gone and purchased a 1986 Rhodes 22!  Consider this the first in a series of pleas for help and information that I expect will continue for a least the foreseeable future and quite likely well beyond.  I'm a fairly green sailor and purchased my Rhodes based on research and reputation, I have not even sailed in one (perhaps I'm a bit impulsive also).  At any rate, I'm in the process of title transfer and registration and have not yet taken possession of the boat.  I do however have the shrouds, at least two of which require replacement, which I'll take care of soon.  
    Interestingly, the spreaders which I have are of different lengths by a couple of inches.  Is that normal? On which side does the shorter spreader belong?  Also as I'm getting the boat with all the stays removed, does anyone have a diagram of which shroud attaches to which chainplate?  I have the manual from the "Documents" section, and it maybe obvious once I start putting it all together, but a picture is worth a thousand words if there is one to be had.   Lastly, unfortunately this boat does not come with the mast raising system, so I'd love to know if anyone has any info re:  alternate mast raising methods, perhaps gin pole and trailer winch, or the like.
Thanks, 
   Peter Beckerman  s/v name pending
   

  


From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 16:22:19 2023
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 16:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.
In-Reply-To: <004d01d94489$44b12a50$ce137ef0$@gmail.com>
References: <474026440.2945844.1676750188136.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <474026440.2945844.1676750188136@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Peter, I have a 90 Rhodes with a non-imf mast and an IMF mast that I
believe came off a 1989 boat. The spreaders are the same on both boats -
36 &1/16th. That includes the plastic piece on one end. Hope that helps.
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On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 12:40 PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter,
> Don?t forget the nylon shims. If you can't find any, take a milk jug and
> cut some.
>
> Joe Dempsey
> m/v Voyager
> Ex-s/v Respite
> Deltaville, VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 9:19 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Todd Tavares <
> tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.
>
>  Hi Todd,   Thanks for all the info.  After re-reading the owners manual
> and your info, and looking at pictures/videos and everything else I can
> find I'm feeling a bit more confident about getting this rigged.   I guess
> I just got a little spooked (there are how many stays?).     Joe Dempsey
> posted a Dwyer spec sheet that seems to place the spreader length somewhere
> in the 34.5 to 35.5 inches range which seems to jive with your numbers
> (loosely).  I'll measure mine and cut or replace as seems best.  I'm
> guessing that an inch or so of spreader length will come out in the wash.
>    When I drag the boat home it'll be based at Lake Arthur in Moraine
> State Park a bit north of Pittsburgh.  After I get used to it for a bit I'm
> hoping to take trips to the great lakes.   She has the IMF mast and the
> original general boats roller furling head sail system.  Not sure about the
> traveler, I didn't know there were different versions other than original
> and the newer endless line system.  (It's not the new one).
>    I consider myself somewhat handy and would welcome any info on your
> mast raising system.
> Again, thanks to everyone for helping me through the learning curve.
> Peter
>
>     On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 09:41:47 PM EST, Todd Tavares <
> tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Peter,
> Can you give us a little information first so we can give you more help
> and better advice?
> 1.) Where will the boat be located when you take possession?  Maybe
> someone will be close enough to help with the mast raising.
> And if you are handy, I can give you enough info and pics to build your
> own system. I use the trailer winch. You may not know these answers yet.
> 2) What type of foresail furler do you have?3) What type of mast do you
> have?
> 4) What type of traveler do you have?
> Ok...As the other Peter said, both spreaders should be the same length.You
> could cut the longer one down to match or make 2 new ones depending.
> I have 2 sets. One on my 1984 and a set from an older 1976 in the garage.
> Both standard masts (not IMF).The ones on the 1984 are 35?" (measured 35
> 5/8ths when measured from the side of the mast to tip when sitting in the
> bracket) and the ones from the 1976 are 35" measured directly. So the 35?
> is probably the better length for your 1986 if its a standard mast. In that
> range should work as long as they are both the same.
> We'll help you sort out the arrangement of the shrouds and stays when
> you're ready.I'll give a brief description now and you can refer back to it
> when the time comes.
> I have the standard mast so this applies to my set-up.The spreader
> brackets should be triangular on the bottom. The lower shrouds (shortest
> ones- 4 each) attach to the two holes under the spreaders and go to the
> chain plates on the cabin top. Forward and rear goes without saying.
> The upper shrouds are attached to a tang on either side of the mast, just
> below the mast head fitting. They run through the spreader tips and to the
> chainplate tangs coming out of the toe rail on the sides of the deck
> amidships.
> Your masthead fitting may be different than mine, but the forestay
> attaches to the front of the fitting. My forestay has swaged T bolt and
> toggle fitting swaged at the top. That connects to another toggle that
> rides over a pin going through both sides of the masthead. The bottom
> attaches to the chainplate tang on the bow.
> The backstay is a continous wire that has a swaged fitting creating an
> inverted V with a loop at the top. It attaches to the masthead fitting by a
> single toggle over a pin through the masthead fitting. The bottom ends
> attach to the chainplates on the stern corners.
> Todd T
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 2:57 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,  Well it seems that I've gone and purchased a 1986 Rhodes 22!
> Consider this the first in a series of pleas for help and information that
> I expect will continue for a least the foreseeable future and quite likely
> well beyond.  I'm a fairly green sailor and purchased my Rhodes based on
> research and reputation, I have not even sailed in one (perhaps I'm a bit
> impulsive also).  At any rate, I'm in the process of title transfer and
> registration and have not yet taken possession of the boat.  I do however
> have the shrouds, at least two of which require replacement, which I'll
> take care of soon.
>     Interestingly, the spreaders which I have are of different lengths by
> a couple of inches.  Is that normal? On which side does the shorter
> spreader belong?  Also as I'm getting the boat with all the stays removed,
> does anyone have a diagram of which shroud attaches to which chainplate?  I
> have the manual from the "Documents" section, and it maybe obvious once I
> start putting it all together, but a picture is worth a thousand words if
> there is one to be had.   Lastly, unfortunately this boat does not come
> with the mast raising system, so I'd love to know if anyone has any info
> re:  alternate mast raising methods, perhaps gin pole and trailer winch, or
> the like.
> Thanks,
>    Peter Beckerman  s/v name pending
>
>
>
>
>
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From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 10:47:50 2023
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:47:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.
In-Reply-To: <842696270.3054911.1676816355401@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <474026440.2945844.1676750188136@mail.yahoo.com>
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Peter -

I live in Morgantown, WV, not far from you.  (My Rhodes is in Onekama, MI, where we spend the summer.)   I am not particularly handy, and have only been sailing the Rhodes for a few years, but I may be able to help.  Or go sailing with you.  If you are interested, you can contact me at bobfcohen at gmail.com.

Bob Cohen

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2023 9:19 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.

 Hi Todd,   Thanks for all the info.  After re-reading the owners manual and your info, and looking at pictures/videos and everything else I can find I'm feeling a bit more confident about getting this rigged.   I guess I just got a little spooked (there are how many stays?).     Joe Dempsey posted a Dwyer spec sheet that seems to place the spreader length somewhere in the 34.5 to 35.5 inches range which seems to jive with your numbers (loosely).  I'll measure mine and cut or replace as seems best.  I'm guessing that an inch or so of spreader length will come out in the wash.
   When I drag the boat home it'll be based at Lake Arthur in Moraine State Park a bit north of Pittsburgh.  After I get used to it for a bit I'm hoping to take trips to the great lakes.   She has the IMF mast and the original general boats roller furling head sail system.  Not sure about the traveler, I didn't know there were different versions other than original and the newer endless line system.  (It's not the new one).  
   I consider myself somewhat handy and would welcome any info on your mast raising system.
Again, thanks to everyone for helping me through the learning curve.
Peter

    On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 09:41:47 PM EST, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Peter, 
Can you give us a little information first so we can give you more help and better advice?
1.) Where will the boat be located when you take possession?  Maybe someone will be close enough to help with the mast raising.
And if you are handy, I can give you enough info and pics to build your own system. I use the trailer winch. You may not know these answers yet.
2) What type of foresail furler do you have?3) What type of mast do you have?
4) What type of traveler do you have?
Ok...As the other Peter said, both spreaders should be the same length.You could cut the longer one down to match or make 2 new ones depending.
I have 2 sets. One on my 1984 and a set from an older 1976 in the garage. Both standard masts (not IMF).The ones on the 1984 are 35?" (measured 35 5/8ths when measured from the side of the mast to tip when sitting in the bracket) and the ones from the 1976 are 35" measured directly. So the 35? is probably the better length for your 1986 if its a standard mast. In that range should work as long as they are both the same.
We'll help you sort out the arrangement of the shrouds and stays when you're ready.I'll give a brief description now and you can refer back to it when the time comes.
I have the standard mast so this applies to my set-up.The spreader brackets should be triangular on the bottom. The lower shrouds (shortest ones- 4 each) attach to the two holes under the spreaders and go to the chain plates on the cabin top. Forward and rear goes without saying.
The upper shrouds are attached to a tang on either side of the mast, just below the mast head fitting. They run through the spreader tips and to the chainplate tangs coming out of the toe rail on the sides of the deck amidships.
Your masthead fitting may be different than mine, but the forestay attaches to the front of the fitting. My forestay has swaged T bolt and toggle fitting swaged at the top. That connects to another toggle that rides over a pin going through both sides of the masthead. The bottom attaches to the chainplate tang on the bow.
The backstay is a continous wire that has a swaged fitting creating an inverted V with a loop at the top. It attaches to the masthead fitting by a single toggle over a pin through the masthead fitting. The bottom ends attach to the chainplates on the stern corners.
Todd T


On Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 2:57 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

Hi all,  Well it seems that I've gone and purchased a 1986 Rhodes 22!  Consider this the first in a series of pleas for help and information that I expect will continue for a least the foreseeable future and quite likely well beyond.  I'm a fairly green sailor and purchased my Rhodes based on research and reputation, I have not even sailed in one (perhaps I'm a bit impulsive also).  At any rate, I'm in the process of title transfer and registration and have not yet taken possession of the boat.  I do however have the shrouds, at least two of which require replacement, which I'll take care of soon.  
    Interestingly, the spreaders which I have are of different lengths by a couple of inches.  Is that normal? On which side does the shorter spreader belong?  Also as I'm getting the boat with all the stays removed, does anyone have a diagram of which shroud attaches to which chainplate?  I have the manual from the "Documents" section, and it maybe obvious once I start putting it all together, but a picture is worth a thousand words if there is one to be had.   Lastly, unfortunately this boat does not come with the mast raising system, so I'd love to know if anyone has any info re:  alternate mast raising methods, perhaps gin pole and trailer winch, or the like.
Thanks, 
   Peter Beckerman  s/v name pending
   

  


From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 14:31:11 2023
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 14:31:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats
In-Reply-To: <63f1749c.170a0220.b2c09.09bd@mx.google.com>
References: <63f1749c.170a0220.b2c09.09bd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <11E427A6-3817-40F3-BBDC-25A3AC5C8795@gmail.com>

Ditto!  Always great to hear from Stan, the ultimate font of knowledge of all things Rhodes.
  
Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Feb 18, 2023, at 8:00 PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> So good to heR from you, Stan!Joe DempseySent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> Date: 2/18/23  5:03 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats So good to hear from Stan!Keep passing those smarts down the line!Graham Parker'SV 007Sailing?Lake Champlain> On Feb 18, 2023, at 16:19, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> > ED, seems whatever technical gods there be, must be working today. Here I am in the middle of a book long response to your prior email when I hear my Apple signal an incoming new message.> > Hang in there. I am hoping to hit 'send' today, tomorrow the latest.  My problem is age.  After 94 I noticed my mind and my body starting to part company; they both are slowing down but for different excuses: It takes more energy to get me out of bed each day so less hours available for work. While each year that I manage to make it through, whether I want to or not, I get a little more knowledgeable, "smarts" that I feel I should be passing along.  And that slows me down.> > stan> > Smith Mountain Lake?  One of her haunts Rose told me about. She was a hill billy from Roanoke who got an RN license from the Medical College of VA that opened the world for her and added a bit more validity to grandma's belief of opposites attracting. I have not seen friends or family come near our 72 years of such joyous living as one. The business offers some small relief from the pain so that remains the plan.> > > 2/18/23 12:12 PM, Ed McNamara wrote:>> I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of parts.>> I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there someone>> else I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done?>> Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I can>> live without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days I?ll>> go elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make that>> happen.>> >> Thanks,>> Ed McNamara>> S/V Scholar>> Smith Mountain Lake VA> 


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 15:29:24 2023
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 15:29:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats
In-Reply-To: <CAC-_suTp4REiWQQQrn-8ADbZk2p8_mdux-OuUbFK72Sfgj_RYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-_suTp4REiWQQQrn-8ADbZk2p8_mdux-OuUbFK72Sfgj_RYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMPcmxbMw+CUXu7bXRBwFaG_0ExqqyiiDmvg3qOrE_2w3A@mail.gmail.com>

Ed,
Do you know the price of admission to the ROC club?

Todd T

On Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 12:13 PM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of parts.
> I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there someone
> else I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done?
> Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I can
> live without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days I?ll
> go elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make that
> happen.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed McNamara
> S/V Scholar
> Smith Mountain Lake VA
>

From edmc18 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 15:32:57 2023
From: edmc18 at gmail.com (Ed McNamara)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 15:32:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMPcmxbMw+CUXu7bXRBwFaG_0ExqqyiiDmvg3qOrE_2w3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC-_suTp4REiWQQQrn-8ADbZk2p8_mdux-OuUbFK72Sfgj_RYg@mail.gmail.com>
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I thought I did but now I think I might be wrong. It used to be 10% of what
you paid for your boat. I think when they switched systems about a year ago
it might now be a flat fee. Let me search and get back to you.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 3:29 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ed,
> Do you know the price of admission to the ROC club?
>
> Todd T
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 12:13 PM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of
> parts.
> > I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there
> someone
> > else I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done?
> > Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I
> can
> > live without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days
> I?ll
> > go elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make
> that
> > happen.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ed McNamara
> > S/V Scholar
> > Smith Mountain Lake VA
> >
>

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 20:07:44 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 20:07:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats
In-Reply-To: <CAC-_suTNnki7Xm5RNui5aFxK-K83cWT1u8CO10Ye_uZCP2wnPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63f56aeb.620a0220.c4b3e.5587@mx.google.com>

10 percent of what you paid for your boat.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> Date: 2/21/23  3:33 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Contact at General Boats I thought I did but now I think I might be wrong. It used to be 10% of whatyou paid for your boat. I think when they switched systems about a year agoit might now be a flat fee. Let me search and get back to you.On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 3:29 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:> Ed,> Do you know the price of admission to the ROC club?>> Todd T>> On Sat, Feb 18, 2023, 12:13 PM Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:>> > I want to join the ROC and purchase several hundred dollars worth of> parts.> > I emailed Stan a few days ago but have not gotten a reply. Is there> someone> > else I should be contacting via phone or email to get this done?> > Principally I need 4 lower shrouds (I want new ones), the other parts I> can> > live without. If I can?t get a response from GBI in the next few days> I?ll> > go elsewhere but I?d prefer to spend my money with Stan if I can make> that> > happen.> >> > Thanks,> > Ed McNamara> > S/V Scholar> > Smith Mountain Lake VA> >>

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 21 22:06:39 2023
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 03:06:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.
References: <784116400.1786281.1677035199628.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <784116400.1786281.1677035199628@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Mitch,?? Thanks for the info.? That jives with the documentation I got from Joe that says the tubes should be 35 1/2 inches.? The cap, by my quick measurements, adds about 1/2 " (maybe 9/16ths).? For some reason the spreaders on my boat (just the tubes) measure 34 and 35 inches.? Not sure how that happened.? At some point I'll buy new tubes, but at the moment I'm having an internal debate about whether to just cut the one down to 34" and sail the boat (and see if there are any surprises) before buying anything much else.
Cheers,?? Peter

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 14:37:04 2023
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 14:37:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looks like I bought a Rhodes.
In-Reply-To: <784116400.1786281.1677035199628@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <784116400.1786281.1677035199628@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D73D584E-EC3D-4202-BDB0-87580E269BF1@gmail.com>

That sounds like a plan. Good luck!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2023, at 10:06 PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Mitch,   Thanks for the info.  That jives with the documentation I got from Joe that says the tubes should be 35 1/2 inches.  The cap, by my quick measurements, adds about 1/2 " (maybe 9/16ths).  For some reason the spreaders on my boat (just the tubes) measure 34 and 35 inches.  Not sure how that happened.  At some point I'll buy new tubes, but at the moment I'm having an internal debate about whether to just cut the one down to 34" and sail the boat (and see if there are any surprises) before buying anything much else.
> Cheers,   Peter

From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Sat Feb 25 11:15:56 2023
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 16:15:56 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <1948155632.1072671.1673988604604@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <E1pBka8-001hlx-SY@s152.servername.online>
 <49F30182-DF72-44C4-9789-739D05D7D49B@gmail.com>
 <C98E60C4-90EE-4AA9-9FDF-2A73D09FBBD4@stottarchitecture.com>
 <1948155632.1072671.1673988604604@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Mark, If your still parting out, I'm interested in what you have.
Bob
s/v ORION


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mark West via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 3:50 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail

I may have a complete Rhoades 22 1990 with all options new interior and one season old sails parting out. Neighbor's tree service dropped a tree on it while in winter storage on trailer. All standing rigging , mast booms and sails are in separate storage. Not on boat at time. OR
?I would like to find a solid boat and build her back. Mark West? Fairwinds 2 Hertford NC

-----Original Message-----
From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2023 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail

Thank you Dave B
I purchased the mast from Mike Orla in Quincy Mass. 
I do not have the connector for the Boom to mast fitting or for the Pop Top to Mast fitting. 
Mike thinks he has it so I?ll report back.
I am totally unfamiliar with the IMF and because I have a Continental rig have always ignored posts pertaining to the? IMF. 
I working on purchasing a used sail. And sispect I?ll need some furling lines and misc. parts. 
The furling tube is inside the mast. 
There is a round delrin disk at the bottom of the mast - not sure what that?s for either.
Any other internal parts I should know about or own? I?ll need some help once I have all the parts. 
Ric
Dadventure
HBNY

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jan 17, 2023, at 3:07 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ric.
> 
> The trick I?ve learned with rigging the IMF is to get the inthaul line wrapped properly and to fasten the mainsail properly to the furling tube top and bottom (very taught). I?ve only had to do it twice so I?m probably consciously incompetent. 
> 
> Do we know that the mast is extruded from the same die for furling and IMF? I would assume so but you know what they say about assumptions. 
> 
> Need cleats on the bottom of the boom to secure the inhale and at the aft end for outhaul. 
> 
> Happy to talk it through if you like.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Dave B
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2022, at 5:44 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ric,
>> 
>> I don't recall anyone ever posting about a conversion from a 'standard' rig to an IMF rig in the past, so I'm not surprised by the lack of response to your questions.? How many people have experience with both?? Stan probably know the answers to some of your questions, but it seems unlikely that we'll hear from him on this.
>> 
>> I can answer one question: my IMF main has no batten (I'm pretty sure).
>> 
>> So, as you sail into uncharted territory (metaphorically speaking), I would encourage you to fully document the conversion process.? If you could create a nice PDF document, it could find a place in the Document Library section.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>> On 2022-12-30, at 17:31:26 EST, Ric Stott wrote:
>>> 
>>> Happy New Year Rhodies !
>>> I have a few questions - - -
>>> Sorry if I?m repeating myself.
>>> I received favorable replies to my previous question about the value of the 
>>> change. 
>>> To reiterate.
>>> I have the opportunity to convert my 1986 Continental Rig to and IMF mast and 
>>> main sail. 
>>> There is a mast for sale in Mass. for $500? and a mainsail somewhere else for 
>>> $400. 
>>> The mast, spreaders, furling tube? and boom are apparently complete except for 
>>> the shrouds. 
>>> I happen to have a spare set of shrouds from yet another Continual style mast I 
>>> have. 
>>> The Sail is 2009 vintage.? I assume it will cast a few hundred dollars in spare 
>>> parts or part changes, like the pop top connector, electrical/lights connector 
>>> changes, etc. 
>>> Questions:
>>> Are the shrouds the same for both Continental and IMF masts? Any other parts I 
>>> should be aware of that might need replacing? Where can I find IMF sail rigging 
>>> guide? 
>>> Is there a vertical batten in all or just some of them?
>>> Are they flat or round?
>>> Does that matter?
>>> Any issues with old sails and furling?
>>> Thank you and? HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>> <a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Caf02ad53b4604a5c732708daf8cc6b75%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638095854106999475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=duseExRIeerfwPkbl%2FSHQf5LrVUP7AkacrNTbRaYNLs%3D&reserved=0">ric at 
>>> stottarchitecture.com</a> 
>>> O -631-283-1777
>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <a 
>>> href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20221230%2F5b9e2573%2Fattachment.jpeg&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Caf02ad53b4604a5c732708daf8cc6b75%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638095854106999475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JVr2S%2F8grVgHmv6LZ2JKo%2Bg6NMylEtKHvNL7ivdMQVI%3D&reserved=0" 
>>> target="_blank">IMG_0424.jpeg</a> 
>>> 
>> 
> 


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Feb 25 12:28:47 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 12:28:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
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References: <MW5PR03MB6879543C431AD74CBC135CF6AEA99@MW5PR03MB6879.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <57CCCFAC-3A61-4C3A-88CB-BB488D713A19@stottarchitecture.com>

Hi list
I have not heard back from my seller about the boom/mast connector so I?m officially looking for one or enough info to be able to make one - pics would be great.  Also pics of the IMF masthead showing shives & halyards would be well appreciated. 
And finally, can someone explain how the main sail is attached to the curler in the mast and how/if a halyard is attached. 
Ric
s/v Dadventure. 
Hampton Bays, NY

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2023, at 11:16 AM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Mark, If your still parting out, I'm interested in what you have.
> Bob
> s/v ORION
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mark West via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 3:50 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
> 
> I may have a complete Rhoades 22 1990 with all options new interior and one season old sails parting out. Neighbor's tree service dropped a tree on it while in winter storage on trailer. All standing rigging , mast booms and sails are in separate storage. Not on boat at time. OR
>  I would like to find a solid boat and build her back. Mark West  Fairwinds 2 Hertford NC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2023 3:29 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
> 
> Thank you Dave B
> I purchased the mast from Mike Orla in Quincy Mass. 
> I do not have the connector for the Boom to mast fitting or for the Pop Top to Mast fitting. 
> Mike thinks he has it so I?ll report back.
> I am totally unfamiliar with the IMF and because I have a Continental rig have always ignored posts pertaining to the  IMF. 
> I working on purchasing a used sail. And sispect I?ll need some furling lines and misc. parts. 
> The furling tube is inside the mast. 
> There is a round delrin disk at the bottom of the mast - not sure what that?s for either.
> Any other internal parts I should know about or own? I?ll need some help once I have all the parts. 
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2023, at 3:07 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ric.
>> 
>> The trick I?ve learned with rigging the IMF is to get the inthaul line wrapped properly and to fasten the mainsail properly to the furling tube top and bottom (very taught). I?ve only had to do it twice so I?m probably consciously incompetent. 
>> 
>> Do we know that the mast is extruded from the same die for furling and IMF? I would assume so but you know what they say about assumptions. 
>> 
>> Need cleats on the bottom of the boom to secure the inhale and at the aft end for outhaul. 
>> 
>> Happy to talk it through if you like.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> Dave B
>> 
>>>> On Dec 31, 2022, at 5:44 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ric,
>>> 
>>> I don't recall anyone ever posting about a conversion from a 'standard' rig to an IMF rig in the past, so I'm not surprised by the lack of response to your questions.  How many people have experience with both?  Stan probably know the answers to some of your questions, but it seems unlikely that we'll hear from him on this.
>>> 
>>> I can answer one question: my IMF main has no batten (I'm pretty sure).
>>> 
>>> So, as you sail into uncharted territory (metaphorically speaking), I would encourage you to fully document the conversion process.  If you could create a nice PDF document, it could find a place in the Document Library section.
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>>> 
>>>> On 2022-12-30, at 17:31:26 EST, Ric Stott wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Happy New Year Rhodies !
>>>> I have a few questions - - -
>>>> Sorry if I?m repeating myself.
>>>> I received favorable replies to my previous question about the value of the 
>>>> change. 
>>>> To reiterate.
>>>> I have the opportunity to convert my 1986 Continental Rig to and IMF mast and 
>>>> main sail. 
>>>> There is a mast for sale in Mass. for $500  and a mainsail somewhere else for 
>>>> $400. 
>>>> The mast, spreaders, furling tube  and boom are apparently complete except for 
>>>> the shrouds. 
>>>> I happen to have a spare set of shrouds from yet another Continual style mast I 
>>>> have. 
>>>> The Sail is 2009 vintage.  I assume it will cast a few hundred dollars in spare 
>>>> parts or part changes, like the pop top connector, electrical/lights connector 
>>>> changes, etc. 
>>>> Questions:
>>>> Are the shrouds the same for both Continental and IMF masts? Any other parts I 
>>>> should be aware of that might need replacing? Where can I find IMF sail rigging 
>>>> guide? 
>>>> Is there a vertical batten in all or just some of them?
>>>> Are they flat or round?
>>>> Does that matter?
>>>> Any issues with old sails and furling?
>>>> Thank you and  HAPPY NEW YEAR!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> <a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Caf02ad53b4604a5c732708daf8cc6b75%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638095854106999475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=duseExRIeerfwPkbl%2FSHQf5LrVUP7AkacrNTbRaYNLs%3D&reserved=0">ric at 
>>>> stottarchitecture.com</a> 
>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <a 
>>>> href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20221230%2F5b9e2573%2Fattachment.jpeg&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Caf02ad53b4604a5c732708daf8cc6b75%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638095854106999475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JVr2S%2F8grVgHmv6LZ2JKo%2Bg6NMylEtKHvNL7ivdMQVI%3D&reserved=0" 
>>>> target="_blank">IMG_0424.jpeg</a> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Feb 25 15:05:22 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 12:05:22 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
Message-ID: <E1pW0nK-004alx-2u@s152.servername.online>

Ric,

My boat, including the mast will be under its tarps for another month or so, so I am unable to get access to take pictures at this time.  Two of my prior YouTube videos might give you some insight into the IMF furler and gooseneck:

    Ep: 25 - Replacing the Mainsail Furling Line: https://youtu.be/MH7hYJnoNpM
    Ep: 38 - Repairing the Gooseneck:  https://youtu.be/MH7hYJnoNpM

I can tell you that the IMF mainsail does not have a halyard.  It is attached to the furling tube with screws at the head and tack of the sail.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2023-02-25, at 12:28:47 EST, Ric Stott wrote:
>
> Hi list
> I have not heard back from my seller about the boom/mast connector so I?m 
> officially looking for one or enough info to be able to make one - pics would be 
> great.  Also pics of the IMF masthead showing shives &amp; halyards would be 
> well appreciated. 
> And finally, can someone explain how the main sail is attached to the curler in 
> the mast and how/if a halyard is attached. 
> Ric
> s/v Dadventure.
> Hampton Bays, NY
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 


From melrothbard at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 25 16:00:05 2023
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 21:00:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Imf mast and gooseneck
References: <267691969.969910.1677358805942.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <267691969.969910.1677358805942@mail.yahoo.com>






RicI had to replace my gooseneck last season. Peter Nybergs video was extremely helpful.I eventually found my way to Dwyer mast in Rhode Island (the fabricators of the? IFM mast) and a gentleman named Carson.He was extremely helpful. The first batch of parts he sent had one piece the wrong length but we eventually got it right.? I have attached some photos for your use as to how the parts go together but Peter's video probably shows it better.? Good luck.? You can always Email meDirectly at melrothbard at yahoo.com if you want more info on the process.
Mel RothbardPaperClipper? "96"Long Beach Island, NJ



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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Feb 25 16:28:21 2023
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 16:28:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <57CCCFAC-3A61-4C3A-88CB-BB488D713A19@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <MW5PR03MB6879543C431AD74CBC135CF6AEA99@MW5PR03MB6879.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <57CCCFAC-3A61-4C3A-88CB-BB488D713A19@stottarchitecture.com>
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Ric,

If you want to inspect the real thing, you are welcome to come take as many pictures as you need of my IMF setup. I'm abput 50 miles away from you.

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2023 12:29 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail

Hi list
I have not heard back from my seller about the boom/mast connector so I?m officially looking for one or enough info to be able to make one - pics would be great.  Also pics of the IMF masthead showing shives & halyards would be well appreciated. 
And finally, can someone explain how the main sail is attached to the curler in the mast and how/if a halyard is attached. 
Ric
s/v Dadventure. 
Hampton Bays, NY



From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 25 22:04:28 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 22:04:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <57CCCFAC-3A61-4C3A-88CB-BB488D713A19@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <63facc46.170a0220.8a1c4.6d4f@mx.google.com>

Ric, Take a look at the Dwyer drawings. The include the boom and neck.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> Date: 2/25/23  12:29 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail Hi listI have not heard back from my seller about the boom/mast connector so I?m officially looking for one or enough info to be able to make one - pics would be great.? Also pics of the IMF masthead showing shives & halyards would be well appreciated. And finally, can someone explain how the main sail is attached to the curler in the mast and how/if a halyard is attached. Rics/v Dadventure. Hampton Bays, NYSent from my iPhone> On Feb 25, 2023, at 11:16 AM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:> > ?Hi Mark, If your still parting out, I'm interested in what you have.> Bob> s/v ORION> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mark West via Rhodes22-list> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 3:50 PM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail> > I may have a complete Rhoades 22 1990 with all options new interior and one season old sails parting out. Neighbor's tree service dropped a tree on it while in winter storage on trailer. All standing rigging , mast booms and sails are in separate storage. Not on boat at time. OR>? I would like to find a solid boat and build her back. Mark West? Fairwinds 2 Hertford NC> > -----Original Message-----> From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2023 3:29 pm> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail> > Thank you Dave B> I purchased the mast from Mike Orla in Quincy Mass. > I do not have the connector for the Boom to mast fitting or for the Pop Top to Mast fitting. > Mike thinks he has it so I?ll report back.> I am totally unfamiliar with the IMF and because I have a Continental rig have always ignored posts pertaining to the? IMF. > I working on purchasing a used sail. And sispect I?ll need some furling lines and misc. parts. > The furling tube is inside the mast. > There is a round delrin disk at the bottom of the mast - not sure what that?s for either.> Any other internal parts I should know about or own? I?ll need some help once I have all the parts. > Ric> Dadventure> HBNY> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP> ric at stottarchitecture.com> O -631-283-1777> C- 516-965-3164> > > >> On Jan 17, 2023, at 3:07 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Hi Ric.>> >> The trick I?ve learned with rigging the IMF is to get the inthaul line wrapped properly and to fasten the mainsail properly to the furling tube top and bottom (very taught). I?ve only had to do it twice so I?m probably consciously incompetent. >> >> Do we know that the mast is extruded from the same die for furling and IMF? I would assume so but you know what they say about assumptions. >> >> Need cleats on the bottom of the boom to secure the inhale and at the aft end for outhaul. >> >> Happy to talk it through if you like.>> >> Good luck.>> >> Dave B>> >>>> On Dec 31, 2022, at 5:44 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:>>> >>> Ric,>>> >>> I don't recall anyone ever posting about a conversion from a 'standard' rig to an IMF rig in the past, so I'm not surprised by the lack of response to your questions.? How many people have experience with both?? Stan probably know the answers to some of your questions, but it seems unlikely that we'll hear from him on this.>>> >>> I can answer one question: my IMF main has no batten (I'm pretty sure).>>> >>> So, as you sail into uncharted territory (metaphorically speaking), I would encourage you to fully document the conversion process.? If you could create a nice PDF document, it could find a place in the Document Library section.>>> >>> --Peter>>> >>>> On 2022-12-30, at 17:31:26 EST, Ric Stott wrote:>>>> >>>> Happy New Year Rhodies !>>>> I have a few questions - - ->>>> Sorry if I?m repeating myself.>>>> I received favorable replies to my previous question about the value of the >>>> change. >>>> To reiterate.>>>> I have the opportunity to convert my 1986 Continental Rig to and IMF mast and >>>> main sail. >>>> There is a mast for sale in Mass. for $500? and a mainsail somewhere else for >>>> $400. >>>> The mast, spreaders, furling tube? and boom are apparently complete except for >>>> the shrouds. >>>> I happen to have a spare set of shrouds from yet another Continual style mast I >>>> have. >>>> The Sail is 2009 vintage.? I assume it will cast a few hundred dollars in spare >>>> parts or part changes, like the pop top connector, electrical/lights connector >>>> changes, etc. >>>> Questions:>>>> Are the shrouds the same for both Continental and IMF masts? Any other parts I >>>> should be aware of that might need replacing? Where can I find IMF sail rigging >>>> guide? >>>> Is there a vertical batten in all or just some of them?>>>> Are they flat or round?>>>> Does that matter?>>>> Any issues with old sails and furling?>>>> Thank you and? HAPPY NEW YEAR!>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP>>>> <a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Caf02ad53b4604a5c732708daf8cc6b75%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638095854106999475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=duseExRIeerfwPkbl%2FSHQf5LrVUP7AkacrNTbRaYNLs%3D&reserved=0">ric at >>>> stottarchitecture.com</a> >>>> O -631-283-1777>>>> C- 516-965-3164>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <a >>>> href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20221230%2F5b9e2573%2Fattachment.jpeg&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Caf02ad53b4604a5c732708daf8cc6b75%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638095854106999475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JVr2S%2F8grVgHmv6LZ2JKo%2Bg6NMylEtKHvNL7ivdMQVI%3D&reserved=0" >>>> target="_blank">IMG_0424.jpeg</a> >>>> >>> >> > 

From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 25 23:03:25 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2023 23:03:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <57CCCFAC-3A61-4C3A-88CB-BB488D713A19@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <63fada42.170a0220.663bd.750e@mx.google.com>

There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling tube by sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling tube above the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a "donut" at the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits the smooth rotation of the furling system.?There are no sheeves in the mast because there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib furler is secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> Date: 2/25/23  12:29 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail Hi listI have not heard back from my seller about the boom/mast connector so I?m officially looking for one or enough info to be able to make one - pics would be great.? Also pics of the IMF masthead showing shives & halyards would be well appreciated. And finally, can someone explain how the main sail is attached to the curler in the mast and how/if a halyard is attached. Rics/v Dadventure. Hampton Bays, NYSent from my iPhone> On Feb 25, 2023, at 11:16 AM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:> > ?Hi Mark, If your still parting out, I'm interested in what you have.> Bob> s/v ORION> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mark West via Rhodes22-list> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 3:50 PM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail> > I may have a complete Rhoades 22 1990 with all options new interior and one season old sails parting out. Neighbor's tree service dropped a tree on it while in winter storage on trailer. All standing rigging , mast booms and sails are in separate storage. Not on boat at time. OR>? I would like to find a solid boat and build her back. Mark West? Fairwinds 2 Hertford NC> > -----Original Message-----> From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2023 3:29 pm> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail> > Thank you Dave B> I purchased the mast from Mike Orla in Quincy Mass. > I do not have the connector for the Boom to mast fitting or for the Pop Top to Mast fitting. > Mike thinks he has it so I?ll report back.> I am totally unfamiliar with the IMF and because I have a Continental rig have always ignored posts pertaining to the? IMF. > I working on purchasing a used sail. And sispect I?ll need some furling lines and misc. parts. > The furling tube is inside the mast. > There is a round delrin disk at the bottom of the mast - not sure what that?s for either.> Any other internal parts I should know about or own? I?ll need some help once I have all the parts. > Ric> Dadventure> HBNY> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP> ric at stottarchitecture.com> O -631-283-1777> C- 516-965-3164> > > >> On Jan 17, 2023, at 3:07 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Hi Ric.>> >> The trick I?ve learned with rigging the IMF is to get the inthaul line wrapped properly and to fasten the mainsail properly to the furling tube top and bottom (very taught). I?ve only had to do it twice so I?m probably consciously incompetent. >> >> Do we know that the mast is extruded from the same die for furling and IMF? I would assume so but you know what they say about assumptions. >> >> Need cleats on the bottom of the boom to secure the inhale and at the aft end for outhaul. >> >> Happy to talk it through if you like.>> >> Good luck.>> >> Dave B>> >>>> On Dec 31, 2022, at 5:44 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:>>> >>> Ric,>>> >>> I don't recall anyone ever posting about a conversion from a 'standard' rig to an IMF rig in the past, so I'm not surprised by the lack of response to your questions.? How many people have experience with both?? Stan probably know the answers to some of your questions, but it seems unlikely that we'll hear from him on this.>>> >>> I can answer one question: my IMF main has no batten (I'm pretty sure).>>> >>> So, as you sail into uncharted territory (metaphorically speaking), I would encourage you to fully document the conversion process.? If you could create a nice PDF document, it could find a place in the Document Library section.>>> >>> --Peter>>> >>>> On 2022-12-30, at 17:31:26 EST, Ric Stott wrote:>>>> >>>> Happy New Year Rhodies !>>>> I have a few questions - - ->>>> Sorry if I?m repeating myself.>>>> I received favorable replies to my previous question about the value of the >>>> change. >>>> To reiterate.>>>> I have the opportunity to convert my 1986 Continental Rig to and IMF mast and >>>> main sail. >>>> There is a mast for sale in Mass. for $500? and a mainsail somewhere else for >>>> $400. >>>> The mast, spreaders, furling tube? and boom are apparently complete except for >>>> the shrouds. >>>> I happen to have a spare set of shrouds from yet another Continual style mast I >>>> have. >>>> The Sail is 2009 vintage.? I assume it will cast a few hundred dollars in spare >>>> parts or part changes, like the pop top connector, electrical/lights connector >>>> changes, etc. >>>> Questions:>>>> Are the shrouds the same for both Continental and IMF masts? Any other parts I >>>> should be aware of that might need replacing? Where can I find IMF sail rigging >>>> guide? >>>> Is there a vertical batten in all or just some of them?>>>> Are they flat or round?>>>> Does that matter?>>>> Any issues with old sails and furling?>>>> Thank you and? HAPPY NEW YEAR!>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP>>>> <a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Caf02ad53b4604a5c732708daf8cc6b75%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638095854106999475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=duseExRIeerfwPkbl%2FSHQf5LrVUP7AkacrNTbRaYNLs%3D&reserved=0">ric at >>>> stottarchitecture.com</a> >>>> O -631-283-1777>>>> C- 516-965-3164>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <a >>>> href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20221230%2F5b9e2573%2Fattachment.jpeg&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Caf02ad53b4604a5c732708daf8cc6b75%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638095854106999475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JVr2S%2F8grVgHmv6LZ2JKo%2Bg6NMylEtKHvNL7ivdMQVI%3D&reserved=0" >>>> target="_blank">IMG_0424.jpeg</a> >>>> >>> >> > 
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sun Feb 26 10:14:48 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 10:14:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <63fada42.170a0220.663bd.750e@mx.google.com>
References: <63fada42.170a0220.663bd.750e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <2079995F-9540-472B-8575-F966E3E2C42E@stottarchitecture.com>

Thanks Joe for the pics and the Silverheals video makes it clear that I have a challenge ahead. I understand how it works now. I have a delrin ?biscuit? /bushing thingy at the top of the furling tube and two at the bottom. There is evidence that they were once attached to the furling tube - they are all pretty worn. Also have the bottom delrin cap, also worn. Perhaps an older model?
It looks like the new  IMF parts are Starboard.  If that?s the case I can probably fabricate it but I sure would rather purchase one - Stan? Anybody? 
Thanks Joe for the pics Peter for the great video and Mike for offering assistance. 
Ric
Dadventure. 
PS 
I think my masthead is different. 
Have to check. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2023, at 11:04 PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling tube by sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling tube above the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a "donut" at the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits the smooth rotation of the furling system. There are no sheeves in the mast because there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib furler is secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> Date: 2/25/23  12:29 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail Hi listI have not heard back from my seller about the boom/mast connector so I?m officially looking for one or enough info to be able to make one - pics would be great.  Also pics of the IMF masthead showing shives & halyards would be well appreciated. And finally, can someone explain how the main sail is attached to the curler in the mast and how/if a halyard is attached. Rics/v Dadventure. Hampton Bays, NYSent from my iPhone> On Feb 25, 2023, at 11:16 AM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:> > ?Hi Mark, If your still parting out, I'm interested in what you have.> Bob> s/v ORION> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mark West via Rhodes22-list> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 3:50 PM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail> > I may have a complete Rhoades 22 1990 with all options new interior and one season old sails parting out. Neighbor's tree service dropped a tree on it while in winter storage on trailer. All standing rigging , mast booms and sails are in separate storage. Not on boat at time. OR>  I would like to find a solid boat and build her back. Mark West  Fairwinds 2 Hertford NC> > -----Original Message-----> From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2023 3:29 pm> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail> > Thank you Dave B> I purchased the mast from Mike Orla in Quincy Mass. > I do not have the connector for the Boom to mast fitting or for the Pop Top to Mast fitting. > Mike thinks he has it so I?ll report back.> I am totally unfamiliar with the IMF and because I have a Continental rig have always ignored posts pertaining to the  IMF. > I working on purchasing a used sail. And sispect I?ll need some furling lines and misc. parts. > The furling tube is inside the mast. > There is a round delrin disk at the bottom of the mast - not sure what that?s for either.> Any other internal parts I should know about or own? I?ll need some help once I have all the parts. > Ric> Dadventure> HBNY> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP> ric at stottarchitecture.com> O -631-283-1777> C- 516-965-3164> > > >> On Jan 17, 2023, at 3:07 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Hi Ric.>> >> The trick I?ve learned with rigging the IMF is to get the inthaul line wrapped properly and to fasten the mainsail properly to the furling tube top and bottom (very taught). I?ve only had to do it twice so I?m probably consciously incompetent. >> >> Do we know that the mast is extruded from the same die for furling and IMF? I would assume so but you know what they say about assumptions. >> >> Need cleats on the bottom of the boom to secure the inhale and at the aft end for outhaul. >> >> Happy to talk it through if you like.>> >> Good luck.>> >> Dave B>> >>>> On Dec 31, 2022, at 5:44 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:>>> >>> Ric,>>> >>> I don't recall anyone ever posting about a conversion from a 'standard' rig to an IMF rig in the past, so I'm not surprised by the lack of response to your questions.  How many people have experience with both?  Stan probably know the answers to some of your questions, but it seems unlikely that we'll hear from him on this.>>> >>> I can answer one question: my IMF main has no batten (I'm pretty sure).>>> >>> So, as you sail into uncharted territory (metaphorically speaking), I would encourage you to fully document the conversion process.  If you could create a nice PDF document, it could find a place in the Document Library section.>>> >>> --Peter>>> >>>> On 2022-12-30, at 17:31:26 EST, Ric Stott wrote:>>>> >>>> Happy New Year Rhodies !>>>> I have a few questions - - ->>>> Sorry if I?m repeating myself.>>>> I received favorable replies to my previous question about the value of the >>>> change. >>>> To reiterate.>>>> I have the opportunity to convert my 1986 Continental Rig to and IMF mast and >>>> main sail. >>>> There is a mast for sale in Mass. for $500  and a mainsail somewhere else for >>>> $400. >>>> The mast, spreaders, furling tube  and boom are apparently complete except for >>>> the shrouds. >>>> I happen to have a spare set of shrouds from yet another Continual style mast I >>>> have. >>>> The Sail is 2009 vintage.  I assume it will cast a few hundred dollars in spare >>>> parts or part changes, like the pop top connector, electrical/lights connector >>>> changes, etc. >>>> Questions:>>>> Are the shrouds the same for both Continental and IMF masts? Any other parts I >>>> should be aware of that might need replacing? Where can I find IMF sail rigging >>>> guide? >>>> Is there a vertical batten in all or just some of them?>>>> Are they flat or round?>>>> Does that matter?>>>> Any issues with old sails and furling?>>>> Thank you and  HAPPY NEW YEAR!>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP>>>> <a href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frhodes22-list&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Caf02ad53b4604a5c732708daf8cc6b75%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638095854106999475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=duseExRIeerfwPkbl%2FSHQf5LrVUP7AkacrNTbRaYNLs%3D&reserved=0">ric at >>>> stottarchitecture.com</a> >>>> O -631-283-1777>>>> C- 516-965-3164>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <a >>>> href="https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20221230%2F5b9e2573%2Fattachment.jpeg&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Caf02ad53b4604a5c732708daf8cc6b75%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638095854106999475%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JVr2S%2F8grVgHmv6LZ2JKo%2Bg6NMylEtKHvNL7ivdMQVI%3D&reserved=0" >>>> target="_blank">IMG_0424.jpeg</a> >>>> >>> >> > 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Feb 26 11:12:35 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 08:12:35 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
Message-ID: <E1pWJdb-00DCQJ-6o@s152.servername.online>

Joe's mast might not have sheaves (pulleys), but mine does.  When I got the boat from GB, a line through the port sheaves was used as the topping lift for the boom.  I added a line through the starboard sheaves to serve as a halyard for my Doyle UPS headsail.

--Peter

> On 2023-02-25, at 23:03:25 EST, Joe Dempsey wrote:
>
> There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling tube by 
> sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling tube above 
> the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a "donut" at 
> the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits the smooth 
> rotation of the furling system.&nbsp;There are no sheeves in the mast because 
> there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib furler is 
> secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- 
> Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an 
> AT&amp;T 5G smartphone 
> 
> <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment.jpg" 
> target="_blank">IMG_20171103_1316243~2.jpg</a> 
> 
> <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment-0001.jpg" 
> target="_blank">980270601_IMG_20200126_0820179_3093353.jpg</a> 
> 


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 14:19:43 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:19:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <E1pWJdb-00DCQJ-6o@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <63fbb0e2.170a0220.9f654.4602@mx.google.com>

Peter is correct. There are sheeves on the masthead. I thought Ric was asking about inside the mast. The aft sheeve does carry the topping lift. I was going to use the forward sheeve to place a halyard for an anchor lamp until I could install a tricolor on top of the masthead cap.Thanks, Peter for clearing that up.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 2/26/23  11:13 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail Joe's mast might not have sheaves (pulleys), but mine does.? When I got the boat from GB, a line through the port sheaves was used as the topping lift for the boom.? I added a line through the starboard sheaves to serve as a halyard for my Doyle UPS headsail.--Peter> On 2023-02-25, at 23:03:25 EST, Joe Dempsey wrote:>> There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling tube by > sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling tube above > the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a "donut" at > the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits the smooth > rotation of the furling system.&nbsp;There are no sheeves in the mast because > there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib furler is > secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- > Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an > AT&amp;T 5G smartphone > > <a > href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment.jpg" > target="_blank">IMG_20171103_1316243~2.jpg</a> > > <a > href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment-0001.jpg" > target="_blank">980270601_IMG_20200126_0820179_3093353.jpg</a> > 

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sun Feb 26 14:27:27 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:27:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <E1pWJdb-00DCQJ-6o@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1pWJdb-00DCQJ-6o@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <E956CC57-8400-4EB6-A6F5-6C1AD57101CB@stottarchitecture.com>

Attached is a photo of the bottom of my ruler tube.  Must be old style.  And my masthead - no halyards. 
Ric
Dadventure 
?



?Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Feb 26, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Joe's mast might not have sheaves (pulleys), but mine does.  When I got the boat from GB, a line through the port sheaves was used as the topping lift for the boom.  I added a line through the starboard sheaves to serve as a halyard for my Doyle UPS headsail.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2023-02-25, at 23:03:25 EST, Joe Dempsey wrote:
>> 
>> There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling tube by 
>> sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling tube above 
>> the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a "donut" at 
>> the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits the smooth 
>> rotation of the furling system.&nbsp;There are no sheeves in the mast because 
>> there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib furler is 
>> secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- 
>> Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an 
>> AT&amp;T 5G smartphone 
>> 
>> <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment.jpg" 
>> target="_blank">IMG_20171103_1316243~2.jpg</a> 
>> 
>> <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment-0001.jpg" 
>> target="_blank">980270601_IMG_20200126_0820179_3093353.jpg</a> 
>> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Feb 26 15:32:38 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 12:32:38 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
Message-ID: <E1pWNhG-00FqCv-Ns@s152.servername.online>

There may or may not be sheaves inside that masthead piece, you can't tell from the side view.  As Joe mentions, whether the sheaves are there or not, they have nothing to do with the IMF main.

I've attached an exploded diagram of the masthead unit from the Dwyer site that I'm pretty sure is a match for the one used on Rhodes 22's.  Dwyer part number is DH 1015; current price is $208.97.

BTW, it's amusing how much spell checkers dislike the word 'furler'. So far in this thread I've spotted corrections as 'curler' and 'ruler'.

--Peter

> On 2023-02-26, at 14:27:27 EST, Ric Stott wrote:
>
> Attached is a photo of the bottom of my ruler tube.  Must be old style.  And my 
> masthead - no halyards. 
> Ric
> Dadventure
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> ?Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">ric at 
> stottarchitecture.com</a> 
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 15:47:47 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 15:47:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
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Photo didn't come through.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 2:27 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail

Attached is a photo of the bottom of my ruler tube.  Must be old style.  And my masthead - no halyards. 
Ric
Dadventure 
?



?Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Feb 26, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Joe's mast might not have sheaves (pulleys), but mine does.  When I got the boat from GB, a line through the port sheaves was used as the topping lift for the boom.  I added a line through the starboard sheaves to serve as a halyard for my Doyle UPS headsail.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2023-02-25, at 23:03:25 EST, Joe Dempsey wrote:
>> 
>> There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling tube by 
>> sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling tube above 
>> the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a "donut" at 
>> the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits the smooth 
>> rotation of the furling system.&nbsp;There are no sheeves in the mast because 
>> there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib furler is 
>> secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- 
>> Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an 
>> AT&amp;T 5G smartphone 
>> 
>> <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment.jpg" 
>> target="_blank">IMG_20171103_1316243~2.jpg</a> 
>> 
>> <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment-0001.jpg" 
>> target="_blank">980270601_IMG_20200126_0820179_3093353.jpg</a> 
>> 
> 

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From liznray15 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 26 20:31:45 2023
From: liznray15 at gmail.com (Liz and Ray)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 20:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 95 Rhodes 22 and trailer for sale $15,000
Message-ID: <CAOQT4E94oGhoJgUUiu+kH+h72skSVq9txfwmJqnKckAFxd2myQ@mail.gmail.com>

Rhodes 22 and trailer with boom room, mast handling system, autopilot, many
extras

Send email and phone for inventory list and pictures.

From jdewaa01 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 09:25:29 2023
From: jdewaa01 at gmail.com (Jim DeWaard)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 09:25:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] parts boat for sale
Message-ID: <CACEf3O+JK0nHyJ3uctdvuHri8nni19Y3E=1Gg_08oCLOa9WwRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Complete '89 R22 (recycled in 2012) and trailer for sale. Recent weather
event causing minor damage to cabin top rail, bow pulpit, & a bend in the
mast forces sale. Huge value in parts and accessories alone. $7,500.00 for
all.

Jim

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Feb 27 14:27:33 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 14:27:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
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I'll try to attache photos again. 
Always difficult and inconsistent . 
Low Rez PDF seemed to work best in the past, but any suggestions as to format? 
??


Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Feb 26, 2023, at 3:47 PM, <jpd9668 at gmail.com> <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Photo didn't come through.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 2:27 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
> 
> Attached is a photo of the bottom of my ruler tube.  Must be old style.  And my masthead - no halyards. 
> Ric
> Dadventure 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> ?Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Joe's mast might not have sheaves (pulleys), but mine does.  When I got the boat from GB, a line through the port sheaves was used as the topping lift for the boom.  I added a line through the starboard sheaves to serve as a halyard for my Doyle UPS headsail.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>> On 2023-02-25, at 23:03:25 EST, Joe Dempsey wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling tube by 
>>> sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling tube above 
>>> the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a "donut" at 
>>> the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits the smooth 
>>> rotation of the furling system.&nbsp;There are no sheeves in the mast because 
>>> there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib furler is 
>>> secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- 
>>> Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an 
>>> AT&amp;T 5G smartphone 
>>> 
>>> <a 
>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment.jpg" 
>>> target="_blank">IMG_20171103_1316243~2.jpg</a> 
>>> 
>>> <a 
>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment-0001.jpg" 
>>> target="_blank">980270601_IMG_20200126_0820179_3093353.jpg</a> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 15:07:43 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:07:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
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.JPG

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 2:28 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail

I'll try to attache photos again. 
Always difficult and inconsistent . 
Low Rez PDF seemed to work best in the past, but any suggestions as to format? 
??


Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Feb 26, 2023, at 3:47 PM, <jpd9668 at gmail.com> <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Photo didn't come through.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 2:27 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
> 
> Attached is a photo of the bottom of my ruler tube.  Must be old style.  And my masthead - no halyards. 
> Ric
> Dadventure 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> ?Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Joe's mast might not have sheaves (pulleys), but mine does.  When I got the boat from GB, a line through the port sheaves was used as the topping lift for the boom.  I added a line through the starboard sheaves to serve as a halyard for my Doyle UPS headsail.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>> On 2023-02-25, at 23:03:25 EST, Joe Dempsey wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling tube by 
>>> sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling tube above 
>>> the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a "donut" at 
>>> the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits the smooth 
>>> rotation of the furling system.&nbsp;There are no sheeves in the mast because 
>>> there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib furler is 
>>> secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- 
>>> Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an 
>>> AT&amp;T 5G smartphone 
>>> 
>>> <a 
>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment.jpg" 
>>> target="_blank">IMG_20171103_1316243~2.jpg</a> 
>>> 
>>> <a 
>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment-0001.jpg" 
>>> target="_blank">980270601_IMG_20200126_0820179_3093353.jpg</a> 
>>> 
>> 
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Feb 27 15:15:49 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:15:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
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Both of these are low Rez JPGs 
Will someone tell me if they  come through please? 
Ric 

??
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
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C- 516-965-3164



> On Feb 27, 2023, at 3:07 PM, <jpd9668 at gmail.com> <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> .JPG
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 2:28 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
> 
> I'll try to attache photos again. 
> Always difficult and inconsistent . 
> Low Rez PDF seemed to work best in the past, but any suggestions as to format? 
> ??
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2023, at 3:47 PM, <jpd9668 at gmail.com> <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Photo didn't come through.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
>> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 2:27 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
>> 
>> Attached is a photo of the bottom of my ruler tube.  Must be old style.  And my masthead - no halyards. 
>> Ric
>> Dadventure 
>> ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ?Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joe's mast might not have sheaves (pulleys), but mine does.  When I got the boat from GB, a line through the port sheaves was used as the topping lift for the boom.  I added a line through the starboard sheaves to serve as a halyard for my Doyle UPS headsail.
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>>> 
>>>> On 2023-02-25, at 23:03:25 EST, Joe Dempsey wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling tube by 
>>>> sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling tube above 
>>>> the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a "donut" at 
>>>> the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits the smooth 
>>>> rotation of the furling system.&nbsp;There are no sheeves in the mast because 
>>>> there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib furler is 
>>>> secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- 
>>>> Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an 
>>>> AT&amp;T 5G smartphone 
>>>> 
>>>> <a 
>>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment.jpg" 
>>>> target="_blank">IMG_20171103_1316243~2.jpg</a> 
>>>> 
>>>> <a 
>>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment-0001.jpg" 
>>>> target="_blank">980270601_IMG_20200126_0820179_3093353.jpg</a> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From mark at whipplefamily.com  Mon Feb 27 15:25:48 2023
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:25:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <60BD2F3D-1F9C-47D9-8088-A2467FDC23AC@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <E1pWJdb-00DCQJ-6o@s152.servername.online>
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The first one you sent showed up fine for me.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 2:27 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> I'll try to attache photos again.
> Always difficult and inconsistent .
> Low Rez PDF seemed to work best in the past, but any suggestions as to
> format?
> ??
>
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 2023, at 3:47 PM, <jpd9668 at gmail.com> <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Photo didn't come through.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Ric Stott
> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 2:27 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
> >
> > Attached is a photo of the bottom of my ruler tube.  Must be old style.
> And my masthead - no halyards.
> > Ric
> > Dadventure
> > ?
> >
> >
> >
> > ?Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 26, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Joe's mast might not have sheaves (pulleys), but mine does.  When I got
> the boat from GB, a line through the port sheaves was used as the topping
> lift for the boom.  I added a line through the starboard sheaves to serve
> as a halyard for my Doyle UPS headsail.
> >>
> >> --Peter
> >>
> >>> On 2023-02-25, at 23:03:25 EST, Joe Dempsey wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling
> tube by
> >>> sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling
> tube above
> >>> the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a
> "donut" at
> >>> the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits
> the smooth
> >>> rotation of the furling system.&nbsp;There are no sheeves in the mast
> because
> >>> there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib
> furler is
> >>> secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v
> VoyagerEx-
> >>> Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G,
> an
> >>> AT&amp;T 5G smartphone
> >>>
> >>> <a
> >>> href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment.jpg"
>
> >>> target="_blank">IMG_20171103_1316243~2.jpg</a>
> >>>
> >>> <a
> >>> href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment-0001.jpg"
>
> >>> target="_blank">980270601_IMG_20200126_0820179_3093353.jpg</a>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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From mark at whipplefamily.com  Mon Feb 27 15:27:35 2023
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ASE1+yhTLpE=xrXw_ydOt6xyEg2kwHV_+xaguHjqefoCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1pWJdb-00DCQJ-6o@s152.servername.online>
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That is, I've been able to open all the pics you sent.

Mark

On Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 3:25 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:

> The first one you sent showed up fine for me.
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 2:27 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll try to attache photos again.
>> Always difficult and inconsistent .
>> Low Rez PDF seemed to work best in the past, but any suggestions as to
>> format?
>> ??
>>
>>
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 26, 2023, at 3:47 PM, <jpd9668 at gmail.com> <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Photo didn't come through.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Ric Stott
>> > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 2:27 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
>> >
>> > Attached is a photo of the bottom of my ruler tube.  Must be old
>> style.  And my masthead - no halyards.
>> > Ric
>> > Dadventure
>> > ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ?Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> > O -631-283-1777
>> > C- 516-965-3164
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Feb 26, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Joe's mast might not have sheaves (pulleys), but mine does.  When I
>> got the boat from GB, a line through the port sheaves was used as the
>> topping lift for the boom.  I added a line through the starboard sheaves to
>> serve as a halyard for my Doyle UPS headsail.
>> >>
>> >> --Peter
>> >>
>> >>> On 2023-02-25, at 23:03:25 EST, Joe Dempsey wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling
>> tube by
>> >>> sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling
>> tube above
>> >>> the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a
>> "donut" at
>> >>> the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits
>> the smooth
>> >>> rotation of the furling system.&nbsp;There are no sheeves in the mast
>> because
>> >>> there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib
>> furler is
>> >>> secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v
>> VoyagerEx-
>> >>> Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G,
>> an
>> >>> AT&amp;T 5G smartphone
>> >>>
>> >>> <a
>> >>> href="
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment.jpg"
>>
>> >>> target="_blank">IMG_20171103_1316243~2.jpg</a>
>> >>>
>> >>> <a
>> >>> href="
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment-0001.jpg"
>>
>> >>> target="_blank">980270601_IMG_20200126_0820179_3093353.jpg</a>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Feb 27 15:30:18 2023
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:30:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5AT+YNt0qEEPzJ1t-GTfyEy8ZMNu51VVB_kosoxLWXUYLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1pWJdb-00DCQJ-6o@s152.servername.online>
 <E956CC57-8400-4EB6-A6F5-6C1AD57101CB@stottarchitecture.com>
 <000f01d94a23$9c6277f0$d52767d0$@gmail.com>
 <60BD2F3D-1F9C-47D9-8088-A2467FDC23AC@stottarchitecture.com>
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Message-ID: <E78770E2-584D-4236-8525-240A0644FBB8@sunnybeeches.com>

Me too.

?Peter

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
> 
> That is, I've been able to open all the pics you sent.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 3:25 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Feb 27 15:55:05 2023
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:55:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <E78770E2-584D-4236-8525-240A0644FBB8@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <E1pWJdb-00DCQJ-6o@s152.servername.online>
 <E956CC57-8400-4EB6-A6F5-6C1AD57101CB@stottarchitecture.com>
 <000f01d94a23$9c6277f0$d52767d0$@gmail.com>
 <60BD2F3D-1F9C-47D9-8088-A2467FDC23AC@stottarchitecture.com>
 <CA+WP5ASE1+yhTLpE=xrXw_ydOt6xyEg2kwHV_+xaguHjqefoCg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <DF21692E-EBEA-4E4C-8E8D-43B1BCB1A555@stottarchitecture.com>

I guess the photos are coming through - sorry for the confusion. 
Ric 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Feb 27, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Me too.
> 
> ?Peter
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 3:27 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That is, I've been able to open all the pics you sent.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 3:25 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
> 


From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 19:00:15 2023
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 19:00:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail
In-Reply-To: <7C4D7B43-E9C7-4BAD-AACE-16814319D9C9@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <63fd4437.170a0220.c6c6d.cdee@mx.google.com>

The two jpegs came through. The pdfs did not. From the looks of your masthead, the sheave is missing. I think a good rigging shop can replace I that's the one you need for the topping lift.? The furling tube lower bearing assembly looks different from mine, but you can see from my photo how the sail is secured to the tube.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> Date: 2/27/23  3:16 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail Both of these are low Rez JPGs Will someone tell me if they? come through please? Ric ??Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.comO -631-283-1777C- 516-965-3164> On Feb 27, 2023, at 3:07 PM, <jpd9668 at gmail.com> <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> > .JPG> > -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 2:28 PM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail> > I'll try to attache photos again. > Always difficult and inconsistent . > Low Rez PDF seemed to work best in the past, but any suggestions as to format? > ??> > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com> O -631-283-1777> C- 516-965-3164> > > >> On Feb 26, 2023, at 3:47 PM, <jpd9668 at gmail.com> <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Photo didn't come through.>> >> -----Original Message----->> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott>> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 2:27 PM>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Mast and Sail>> >> Attached is a photo of the bottom of my ruler tube.? Must be old style.? And my masthead - no halyards. >> Ric>> Dadventure >> ?>> >> >> >> ?Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP >> ric at stottarchitecture.com>> O -631-283-1777>> C- 516-965-3164>> >> >> >>> On Feb 26, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:>>> >>> Joe's mast might not have sheaves (pulleys), but mine does.? When I got the boat from GB, a line through the port sheaves was used as the topping lift for the boom.? I added a line through the starboard sheaves to serve as a halyard for my Doyle UPS headsail.>>> >>> --Peter>>> >>>> On 2023-02-25, at 23:03:25 EST, Joe Dempsey wrote:>>>> >>>> There is no halyard in the mast. The sail is attached to the furling tube by >>>> sheet metal screws. The photo shows the main attached to the furling tube above >>>> the drum. It is attached at the top in the same fashion. There is a "donut" at >>>> the top that is a bearing as is the frum at the bottom that permits the smooth >>>> rotation of the furling system.&nbsp;There are no sheeves in the mast because >>>> there are no halyards. As you can see in the second photo, the jib furler is >>>> secured to the mast by a toggle fastener.Joe DempseyTrojan 42m/v VoyagerEx- >>>> Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an >>>> AT&amp;T 5G smartphone >>>> >>>> <a >>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment.jpg" >>>> target="_blank">IMG_20171103_1316243~2.jpg</a> >>>> >>>> <a >>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230225/4fe69365/attachment-0001.jpg" >>>> target="_blank">980270601_IMG_20200126_0820179_3093353.jpg</a> >>>> >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: 02.26.23.Mast Head and base _Page_1.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 842575 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230226/247f413f/attachment.jpg>>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: 02.26.23.Mast Head and base _Page_2.jpeg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 859606 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230226/247f413f/attachment.jpeg>>> >> > > -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: 02.27.23 pdf.pdf> Type: application/pdf> Size: 829490 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230227/4305c368/attachment.pdf>> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: 02.27.23.pdf> Type: application/pdf> Size: 1097314 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230227/4305c368/attachment-0001.pdf>> -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: 02.26.23.Mast Head and base _Page_1.jpgType: image/jpegSize: 842575 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230227/48ad9a34/attachment.jpg>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: 02.26.23.Mast Head and base _Page_2.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 859606 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230227/48ad9a34/attachment.jpeg>