From mark-olson at verizon.net Sat Mar 11 16:11:58 2023 From: mark-olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 16:11:58 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my 1983 Rhodes References: Message-ID: Selling my 1983 Rhodes.? I'm in Northern New Jersey.? Boat is in Hackensack. It's a 1983, not rebuilt by Stan.? Everything above deck is in good shape.? Cabin needs TLC.? Comes with newer sails.? IMF, Genoa, Bimini, Motor & Trailer.? Trailer isn't a Triad but is modified similar to a Triad to fit a Rhodes.? Registration/Titles for boat and trailer are current.? $1,500 for boat, trailer & motor. Here's the ad on Craig's List: https://newjersey.craigslist.org/boa/d/south-hackensack-1983-rhodes-22-sailboat/7598264792.html Mark Olson From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sat Mar 11 16:34:43 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 21:34:43 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my 1983 Rhodes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, I find it depressing to read how cheaply people are selling their Rhodes 22?s. I just finished my biannual inventory for my stated value insurance coverage policy. I have over K$18 in sails, rigging, GPS, and other gear alone, not including the boat, motor, and trailer! But, that?s replacement value. I guess the entire package is only worth what the market will bear. You would think sailboats would be worth more in this time of high gasoline prices. Sailing and paddle sports may be the only maritime leisure activities that common, ordinary folks will be able to afford in a few years. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Mark Olson via Rhodes22-list Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 1:12 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my 1983 Rhodes Selling my 1983 Rhodes. I'm in Northern New Jersey. Boat is in Hackensack. It's a 1983, not rebuilt by Stan. Everything above deck is in good shape. Cabin needs TLC. Comes with newer sails. IMF, Genoa, Bimini, Motor & Trailer. Trailer isn't a Triad but is modified similar to a Triad to fit a Rhodes. Registration/Titles for boat and trailer are current. $1,500 for boat, trailer & motor. Here's the ad on Craig's List: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnewjersey.craigslist.org%2Fboa%2Fd%2Fsouth-hackensack-1983-rhodes-22-sailboat%2F7598264792.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7C911b567068574dd5430008db22754517%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638141659305474211%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GxOGpOVs3tdgM4RaOIT9DS0poRWeghhOKzUj8CehGsk%3D&reserved=0 Mark Olson From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat Mar 11 16:53:32 2023 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 16:53:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my 1983 Rhodes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, same year as the one we sailed from Barcelona to Turkey. You can mention that in your ad. I?d buy it but we are headed to Bahamas. I think you are low balling it. It was a good vintage. Good luck. Chris Geankoplis. On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 4:12 PM Mark Olson via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Selling my 1983 Rhodes. I'm in Northern New Jersey. Boat is in > Hackensack. > > It's a 1983, not rebuilt by Stan. Everything above deck is in good > shape. Cabin needs TLC. Comes with newer sails. IMF, Genoa, Bimini, > Motor & Trailer. Trailer isn't a Triad but is modified similar to a > Triad to fit a Rhodes. Registration/Titles for boat and trailer are > current. $1,500 for boat, trailer & motor. > > Here's the ad on Craig's List: > > https://newjersey.craigslist.org/boa/d/south-hackensack-1983-rhodes-22-sailboat/7598264792.html > > Mark Olson > > From jpd9668 at gmail.com Sat Mar 11 22:26:43 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 22:26:43 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my 1983 Rhodes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <640d4674.370a0220.f310d.75bc@mx.google.com> Roger, I can't agree with you more. I put Respite up for sale and I had a buyer in 15 minutes. I have not seen a Rhodes on The List for more than I asked. I made improvements, good care of her and performed maintenance regularly. (see my announcement and Respite Is For Sale, December 2022)? I sent out a PDF flyer to interested parties.? (See below)https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:de5ed0d5-6e9c-38a6-ae66-39cae05173e2The buyer had been looking for almost a year for a R22. I sent the flyer and he offered a deposit before seeing the boat! I sold it TOO CHEAP! He got a great boat at a great price!? WIN-WIN!?When GBI is selling a re-cycled R22 fo $55K +/-, why folks want to give their Rhodes away is beyond me!? ?$1500 and the "interior needs 'some' TLC"?? You're probably turning an intelligent buyer away.Just sayin'!Joe Dempsey?m/v VoyagerTrojan 42Ex-Rhodes 22s/v RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA Date: 3/11/23 4:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Mark Olson , The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my 1983 Rhodes Mark,I find it depressing to read how cheaply people are selling their Rhodes 22?s.? I just finished my biannual inventory for my stated value insurance coverage policy.? I have over K$18 in sails, rigging, GPS, and other gear alone, not including the boat, motor, and trailer!? But, that?s replacement value.? I guess the entire package is only worth what the market will bear.? You would think sailboats would be worth more in this time of high gasoline prices.? Sailing and paddle sports may be the only maritime leisure activities that common, ordinary folks will be able to afford in a few years.Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic EquilibriumSent from Mail for WindowsFrom: Mark Olson via Rhodes22-listSent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 1:12 PMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email ListSubject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my 1983 RhodesSelling my 1983 Rhodes.? I'm in Northern New Jersey.? Boat is in Hackensack.It's a 1983, not rebuilt by Stan.? Everything above deck is in goodshape.? Cabin needs TLC.? Comes with newer sails.? IMF, Genoa, Bimini,Motor & Trailer.? Trailer isn't a Triad but is modified similar to aTriad to fit a Rhodes.? Registration/Titles for boat and trailer arecurrent.? $1,500 for boat, trailer & motor.Here's the ad on Craig's List:https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnewjersey.craigslist.org%2Fboa%2Fd%2Fsouth-hackensack-1983-rhodes-22-sailboat%2F7598264792.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7C911b567068574dd5430008db22754517%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638141659305474211%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GxOGpOVs3tdgM4RaOIT9DS0poRWeghhOKzUj8CehGsk%3D&reserved=0Mark Olson From rrago54 at gmail.com Sun Mar 12 07:36:01 2023 From: rrago54 at gmail.com (ricardo rago) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 07:36:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Selling my 1983 Rhodes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, I'm interested and would like to contact you privately. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Kind Regards, *Ricardo A. Rago* *(203) 300-1001* *rrago54 at gmail.com * On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 4:12?PM Mark Olson via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Selling my 1983 Rhodes. I'm in Northern New Jersey. Boat is in > Hackensack. > > It's a 1983, not rebuilt by Stan. Everything above deck is in good > shape. Cabin needs TLC. Comes with newer sails. IMF, Genoa, Bimini, > Motor & Trailer. Trailer isn't a Triad but is modified similar to a > Triad to fit a Rhodes. Registration/Titles for boat and trailer are > current. $1,500 for boat, trailer & motor. > > Here's the ad on Craig's List: > > https://newjersey.craigslist.org/boa/d/south-hackensack-1983-rhodes-22-sailboat/7598264792.html > > Mark Olson > > From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sun Mar 12 09:00:49 2023 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 09:00:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday Message-ID: Did I miss Stan's birthday yesterday? 97? He can't possibly be that seasoned! Lee 1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE Claytor Lake. VA From rweiss at siu.edu Sun Mar 12 09:05:15 2023 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:05:15 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: March 11, 1926 Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee Kuhn Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 8:00 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. Did I miss Stan's birthday yesterday? 97? He can't possibly be that seasoned! Lee 1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE Claytor Lake. VA From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Sun Mar 12 10:57:56 2023 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 10:57:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happy belated birthday to Stan! Frank Goldsmith Fairview, NC 1985 Rhodes 22 (refurbished c. 2001) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?March 11, 1926 > > > > Robert L Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee Kuhn > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 8:00 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. > > Did I miss Stan's birthday yesterday? 97? He can't possibly be that > seasoned! > > Lee > 1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE > Claytor Lake. VA From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Sun Mar 12 11:59:29 2023 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 15:59:29 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happy Birthday Stan! Bob '84 ORION Sunapee, NH -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Frank Goldsmith Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 10:58 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday Happy belated birthday to Stan! Frank Goldsmith Fairview, NC 1985 Rhodes 22 (refurbished c. 2001) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 12, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?March 11, 1926 > > > > Robert L Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Lee Kuhn > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 8:00 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. > > Did I miss Stan's birthday yesterday? 97? He can't possibly be that > seasoned! > > Lee > 1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE > Claytor Lake. VA From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sun Mar 12 13:09:39 2023 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:09:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Robert! On Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 9:05 AM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > March 11, 1926 > > > > Robert L Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee > Kuhn > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 8:00 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. > > Did I miss Stan's birthday yesterday? 97? He can't possibly be that > seasoned! > > Lee > 1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE > Claytor Lake. VA > From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sun Mar 12 13:12:21 2023 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 13:12:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 1:09 PM Lee Kuhn wrote: > Thanks Robert! > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 9:05 AM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> March 11, 1926 >> >> >> >> Robert L Weiss Jr. >> Director of Music >> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL >> Professor Emeritus, SIUC >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of >> Lee Kuhn >> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 8:00 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday >> >> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. >> >> Did I miss Stan's birthday yesterday? 97? He can't possibly be that >> seasoned! >> >> Lee >> 1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE >> Claytor Lake. 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Jay S/V Wanderlust ?97 Long Beach Island, NJ > On Mar 12, 2023, at 1:12 PM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 1:09 PM Lee Kuhn wrote: > >> Thanks Robert! >> >> On Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 9:05 AM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >>> March 11, 1926 >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert L Weiss Jr. >>> Director of Music >>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL >>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of >>> Lee Kuhn >>> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2023 8:00 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Birthday >>> >>> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. >>> >>> Did I miss Stan's birthday yesterday? 97? He can't possibly be that >>> seasoned! >>> >>> Lee >>> 1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE >>> Claytor Lake. VA >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Screenshot_20230312-131123_Facebook.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 302995 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From daysails at aol.com Mon Mar 13 07:56:34 2023 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 11:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Birthday Stan In-Reply-To: <0c9509ef-2d79-0171-be34-d5e2ad0bf50d@generalboats.com> References: <0c9509ef-2d79-0171-be34-d5e2ad0bf50d@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <447353421.1438879.1678708594520@mail.yahoo.com> Sometimes I be early, sometimes I be late. this time I?m belated.? Thanks for keeping us all afloat in so many ways. Joe and Diane Riley?s/v Second WindLake Hartwell GA From john_carlson at mac.com Fri Mar 17 18:43:50 2023 From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 17:43:50 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trying to re-install the main sail Message-ID: <3AA338A3-C08C-4C74-816B-F7341F7065BD@mac.com> Some of you might remember my trouble with the main sail not wholly unfurling. The sail was worn and damaged in a few spots. My son and I removed the sail, photographing every step of the way and putting pieces of hardware into labeled baggies. I sent the sail off to sailcare for refurbishment. Anyway, we tried putting the sail back on the furling tube and ran into trouble immediately. The main is attached to the furling tube at the top and bottom by stainless bands (or possibly referred to as "eye straps"?) that are screwed in place. We can't find those. Photos are attached. I don't see these listed on http://www.rhodes22parts.com , except perhaps with the entire furling tube replacement. I'm very happy to order directly from general boats, but I don't need the whole tube assembly. Does anyone know where I might order replacements? -- John Carlson S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012) Lake Waco, Texas ?? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_8653.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 58746 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My son and I > removed the sail, photographing every step of the way and putting pieces of > hardware into labeled baggies. I sent the sail off to sailcare for > refurbishment. Anyway, we tried putting the sail back on the furling tube > and ran into trouble immediately. > > The main is attached to the furling tube at the top and bottom by > stainless bands (or possibly referred to as "eye straps"?) that are screwed > in place. We can't find those. Photos are attached. > > I don't see these listed on http://www.rhodes22parts.com < > http://www.rhodes22parts.com/>, except perhaps with the entire furling > tube replacement. I'm very happy to order directly from general boats, but > I don't need the whole tube assembly. > > Does anyone know where I might order replacements? > > > -- > John Carlson > S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012) > Lake Waco, Texas > > ?? > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_8653.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 58746 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230317/fb4aec36/attachment.jpeg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_8651.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 105856 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20230317/fb4aec36/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Mar 17 22:19:27 2023 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 19:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trying to re-install the main sail Message-ID: I'm pretty sure that on my boat, the webbing loops at the top and bottom of the sail are screwed directly to the tube without any kind of metal strap at all. I haven't had any problems, but I think Chris's approach is probably stronger. --Peter > On 2023-03-17, at 20:03:49 EDT, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > Hey John, > About 5 years I had to do an emergency repair with the boat in > Mexico. I used a couple of ss hose clamps and drilled a small hole in each clamp > as extra security. That was about 5,000 sailing miles ago and no problem. > Chris Geankoplis > ENOSIS > > From jpd9668 at gmail.com Sat Mar 18 17:21:46 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 17:21:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trying to re-install the main sail In-Reply-To: <3AA338A3-C08C-4C74-816B-F7341F7065BD@mac.com> References: <3AA338A3-C08C-4C74-816B-F7341F7065BD@mac.com> Message-ID: <027701d959df$ad919a80$08b4cf80$@gmail.com> John, Your photo shows that the strap is stamped "Racelite" . It is most likely a Tang. It looks to be about 1/2" wide, that has been shaped to the circumference of the furling tube. Here is a source: www.racelite.com. Sounds like Chris had a good work through but I'd be a little concerned with a hose clamps chafing the strap on the sail. Hope this works. Good luck. Joe Dempsey Ex-Rhodes 22 s/v Respite Trojan 42 m/v Voyager -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of John Carlson via Rhodes22-list Sent: Friday, March 17, 2023 6:44 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trying to re-install the main sail Some of you might remember my trouble with the main sail not wholly unfurling. The sail was worn and damaged in a few spots. My son and I removed the sail, photographing every step of the way and putting pieces of hardware into labeled baggies. I sent the sail off to sailcare for refurbishment. Anyway, we tried putting the sail back on the furling tube and ran into trouble immediately. The main is attached to the furling tube at the top and bottom by stainless bands (or possibly referred to as "eye straps"?) that are screwed in place. We can't find those. Photos are attached. I don't see these listed on http://www.rhodes22parts.com , except perhaps with the entire furling tube replacement. I'm very happy to order directly from general boats, but I don't need the whole tube assembly. Does anyone know where I might order replacements? -- John Carlson S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012) Lake Waco, Texas ?? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_8653.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 58746 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_8651.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 105856 bytes Desc: not available URL: From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Thu Mar 23 22:09:09 2023 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2023 02:09:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 HIN Message-ID: Rhodies I am hoping someone here can point me in some kind of direction. Reaching out to Stan won?t do me any good, I don?t have a certificate of support (or whatever it is currently called). My boat received a little damage in a recent storm here in north Texas. The insurance is covering it, but I still get to do some of the leg work on material. Anyway, during the survey I realized the HIN was missing. No idea how, when, where, etc. but I need to replace it (I guess). I know the number, and it is obvious where it was attached. I just have no idea where to go to have some kind of replacement fabricated. Would you have any idea on how to approach this? Many thanks Sent from my iPhone Charles Nieman 98 R 22 Daydream blue66corvette at hotmail.com 469-955-9842 From mark-olson at verizon.net Fri Mar 24 06:34:05 2023 From: mark-olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2023 06:34:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 HIN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9f6c14dc-7bf8-9a75-5c2c-4cef27480ea2@verizon.net> I used National Band & Tag Company once.? They made me a HIN tag for a boat I made.? I had to send them proof of registration which had the HIN which in my case was assigned by the state. https://www.nationalband.com/ tags at nationalband.com This is the person who helped me *Jill Stewart* Customer Service Specialist 721 York St., PO Box 72430 Newport, KY 41072-0430 USA 859-261-2035 Office https://nationalband.com Mark Olson On 3/23/2023 10:09 PM, Charles Nieman wrote: > Rhodies > I am hoping someone here can point me in some kind of direction. Reaching out to Stan won?t do me any good, I don?t have a certificate of support (or whatever it is currently called). > > My boat received a little damage in a recent storm here in north Texas. The insurance is covering it, but I still get to do some of the leg work on material. Anyway, during the survey I realized the HIN was missing. No idea how, when, where, etc. but I need to replace it (I guess). I know the number, and it is obvious where it was attached. I just have no idea where to go to have some kind of replacement fabricated. Would you have any idea on how to approach this? > > Many thanks > > Sent from my iPhone > > Charles Nieman > 98 R 22 > Daydream > blue66corvette at hotmail.com > 469-955-9842 From sea20 at verizon.net Fri Mar 24 06:59:56 2023 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2023 06:59:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 HIN In-Reply-To: <9f6c14dc-7bf8-9a75-5c2c-4cef27480ea2@verizon.net> References: <9f6c14dc-7bf8-9a75-5c2c-4cef27480ea2@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1CC74852-AF9F-41BF-AE16-FC31F2828B65@verizon.net> Greetings, I was told to put a second one in the Lazzerette on the starboard side when I replaced mine. As I recall there were several firms online that sold them. Scott A. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 24, 2023, at 6:34 AM, Mark Olson via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?I used National Band & Tag Company once. They made me a HIN tag for a boat I made. I had to send them proof of registration which had the HIN which in my case was assigned by the state. > > https://www.nationalband.com/ > > tags at nationalband.com > > This is the person who helped me > > *Jill Stewart* > > Customer Service Specialist > > 721 York St., PO Box 72430 > > Newport, KY 41072-0430 USA > > 859-261-2035 Office > > https://nationalband.com > > > Mark Olson > > > >> On 3/23/2023 10:09 PM, Charles Nieman wrote: >> Rhodies >> I am hoping someone here can point me in some kind of direction. Reaching out to Stan won?t do me any good, I don?t have a certificate of support (or whatever it is currently called). >> >> My boat received a little damage in a recent storm here in north Texas. The insurance is covering it, but I still get to do some of the leg work on material. Anyway, during the survey I realized the HIN was missing. No idea how, when, where, etc. but I need to replace it (I guess). I know the number, and it is obvious where it was attached. I just have no idea where to go to have some kind of replacement fabricated. Would you have any idea on how to approach this? >> >> Many thanks >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Charles Nieman >> 98 R 22 >> Daydream >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com >> 469-955-9842 From jpd9668 at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 18:41:37 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2023 18:41:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 HIN In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <641e272a.050a0220.dda8a.53ce@mx.google.com> Should be molded into Fiberglass on upper starboard transom.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Charles Nieman Date: 3/23/23 10:09 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 HIN RhodiesI am hoping someone here can point me in some kind of direction. Reaching out to Stan won?t do me any good, I don?t have a certificate of support (or whatever it is currently called). My boat received a little damage in a recent storm here in north Texas. The insurance is covering it, but I still get to do some of the leg work on material. Anyway, during the survey I realized the HIN was missing. No idea how, when, where, etc. but I need to replace it (I guess). I know the number, and it is obvious where it was attached. I just have no idea where to go to have some kind of replacement fabricated. Would you have any idea on how to approach this?Many thanksSent from my iPhoneCharles Nieman98 R 22Daydream blue66corvette at hotmail.com469-955-9842 From retiredtoby at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 15:04:58 2023 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 15:04:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inie or Outie Message-ID: My first question of the 2023 sailing season. The spreader ,where it connects to the mast, has pins that hold the forward and aft shrouds to the spreader hardware. Some cotter pins are facing toward the mast and some are facing out toward the spreader tips. Does it matter? IS THERE A PREFERENCE? Cary S/V Whisper 86 Claytor Lake VA From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Mar 27 17:11:12 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 21:11:12 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inie or Outie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cary, To reduce the chances of snagging a sail, sheet, or halyard on a cotter pin, they should all face inward toward the mast. Actually, I like to use the circular split rings in this application to virtually eliminate the possibility of a snag. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 27, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > ?My first question of the 2023 sailing season. The spreader ,where it > connects to the mast, has pins that hold the forward and aft shrouds to the > spreader hardware. Some cotter pins are facing toward the mast and some are > facing out toward the spreader tips. Does it matter? IS THERE A PREFERENCE? > > Cary > S/V Whisper 86 > Claytor Lake VA From retiredtoby at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 18:06:52 2023 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 18:06:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inie or Outie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Roger. It makes perfect sense, Cary On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 5:30?PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Cary, > > To reduce the chances of snagging a sail, sheet, or halyard on a cotter > pin, they should all face inward toward the mast. Actually, I like to use > the circular split rings in this application to virtually eliminate the > possibility of a snag. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 27, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > > > ?My first question of the 2023 sailing season. The spreader ,where it > > connects to the mast, has pins that hold the forward and aft shrouds to > the > > spreader hardware. Some cotter pins are facing toward the mast and some > are > > facing out toward the spreader tips. Does it matter? IS THERE A > PREFERENCE? > > > > Cary > > S/V Whisper 86 > > Claytor Lake VA > From jpd9668 at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 19:23:47 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:23:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inie or Outie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <64222586.a70a0220.ac05.43b3@mx.google.com> Shouldn't matter because your Jenny can't make contact with the shroud tangs up that high.Joe DempseyEx-Rhodes 22s/v RespiteTrojan 42m/v VoyageRSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Cary Tolbert Date: 3/27/23 3:06 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inie or Outie My first question of the 2023 sailing season. The spreader ,where itconnects to the mast, has pins that hold the forward and aft shrouds to thespreader hardware. Some cotter pins are facing toward the mast and some arefacing out toward the spreader tips. Does it matter?? IS THERE A PREFERENCE?CaryS/V Whisper 86Claytor Lake VA From jpd9668 at gmail.com Mon Mar 27 19:33:45 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 19:33:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inie or Outie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <642227dd.a70a0220.ac05.442c@mx.google.com> Roger,?I couldn't get my fingers and thumb to work the tiny cutters on the lower turnbuckle, much less get underneath the shroud tangs and with maybe 1inch clearance from the mast!Joe DempseyEx-Rhodes 22s/v RespiteTrojan 42m/v VoyageRDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA Date: 3/27/23 5:30 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Inie or Outie Cary,To reduce the chances of snagging a sail, sheet, or halyard on a cotter pin, they should all face inward toward the mast.? Actually, I like to use the circular split rings in this application to virtually eliminate the possibility of a snag.Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic EquilibriumSent from my iPhone> On Mar 27, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote:> > ?My first question of the 2023 sailing season. The spreader ,where it> connects to the mast, has pins that hold the forward and aft shrouds to the> spreader hardware. Some cotter pins are facing toward the mast and some are> facing out toward the spreader tips. Does it matter?? IS THERE A PREFERENCE?> > Cary> S/V Whisper 86> Claytor Lake VA From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Mar 28 05:55:08 2023 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:55:08 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inie or Outie In-Reply-To: <642227dd.a70a0220.ac05.442c@mx.google.com> References: <642227dd.a70a0220.ac05.442c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Joe, The job is not difficult using needle nose pliers to manipulate the pins. It would be impossible to do with just your fingers. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 27, 2023, at 6:33 PM, jpd9668 wrote: > > ?Roger, I couldn't get my fingers and thumb to work the tiny cutters on the lower turnbuckle, much less get underneath the shroud tangs and with maybe 1inch clearance from the mast!Joe DempseyEx-Rhodes 22s/v RespiteTrojan 42m/v VoyageRDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA Date: 3/27/23 5:30 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Inie or Outie Cary,To reduce the chances of snagging a sail, sheet, or halyard on a cotter pin, they should all face inward toward the mast. Actually, I like to use the circular split rings in this application to virtually eliminate the possibility of a snag.Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic EquilibriumSent from my iPhone> On Mar 27, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote:> > ?My first question of the 2023 sailing season. The spreader ,where it> connects to the mast, has pins that hold the forward and aft shrouds to the> spreader hardware. Some cotter pins are facing toward the mast and some are> facing out toward the spreader tips. Does it matter? IS THERE A PREFERENCE?> > Cary> S/V Whisper 86> Claytor Lake VA From retiredtoby at gmail.com Tue Mar 28 23:10:59 2023 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 23:10:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Shaft Lenghts Message-ID: I have an 86 Rhodes with the OLD motor mount system. Manual operation with the pulley system. I have replaced the old tracks with aluminum tracks replicated by a local machine shop. Still the motor fits on the original Starboard material. I currently have a 8 HP Yamaha with power thrust , electric start and electric/hydraulic tilt which weighs in at approximately 100 lbs. My existing motor has the standard sailboat 20 in shaft. I am thinking about a replacement. I want to stick with Yamaha because of the shift control located forward on the handle. I have been looking at the 9.9 HP , which comes with a 20 in shaft as well as a 25 inch shaft. My main concern is will the 25 inch shaft interfere with the rudder? I have seen a 25 in shaft on Lee's S/V At Ease, but he has the newer system with the electric rail system to raise and lower his motor. SO. . . Does anyone have experience with a 25 inch shaft motor on the OLD SYSTEM. Would the 25 inch shaft allow me NOT to have to lower the motor as low and allow me to have more access to the controls. ( my theory) But I will take experience over theory in making a decision. Thanks as always for the information, you guys are great. I know I can always count on Da List for knowledge and decades of experience. Cary S/V Whisper '86 Claytor Lake , VA From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Mar 29 09:19:06 2023 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2023 09:19:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Shaft Lenghts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cary - I have an ?86 a well with the same motor lift. I rebuilt my rails 2 years ago and should have extended them upward, past the rub rail that traverses the stern. I didn?t and it works as it should. I have a 25 ? shaft Honda 8 that I bought because I has a 12 anp alternator as opposed to the Yamaha 6 amp. (And I got a great deal on it) I don?t think the length of the shaft changes the prop v rudder proximity. With the rudder fully down, there is never an issue. If the rudder is kicked up it can hit the turning prop if you turn hard to portno matter what length shaft you have. I think the 25? shaft is a better choice because you have more flexibility. You might have trouble finding one with a power lift, but I wish I had that feature on my Honda and I?m trying to find a 3rd party supplier for an adaptable electric tilt. One issue I found is that the Honda housing is so large, it hits the stern rail when it is tilted up to the last notch and I can?t quite pull it up enough to reach the last notch on the 'holder upper' pin. As a result, on starboard tack the prop drags in the water with any heal at all. An electric tilt would solve that problem. I also added rollers at the bottom of Stan?s manual lift to take the load off the Starboard sliders in the aluminum rails. The rollers reduce the friction and make lifting and lowering the motor a breeze. BTW Be sure your wooden bracket is solid. Although it looked to be fine, the plywood had rotted and mine broke in 2020 - - - MY YAMAHA went for a final and fatal swim. I built a new bracket and used clear epoxy on the rim os that I can see if there is any rot inside. Ric Sv Dadventure HBNY ? ?? Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Mar 28, 2023, at 11:10 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > I have an 86 Rhodes with the OLD motor mount system. Manual operation with > the pulley system. I have replaced the old tracks with aluminum tracks > replicated by a local machine shop. > Still the motor fits on the original Starboard material. I currently have a > 8 HP Yamaha with power thrust , electric start and electric/hydraulic tilt > which weighs in at approximately 100 lbs. My existing motor has the > standard sailboat 20 in shaft. I am thinking about a replacement. I want > to stick with Yamaha because of the shift control located forward on the > handle. I have been looking at the 9.9 HP , which comes with a 20 in shaft > as well as a 25 inch shaft. My main concern is will the 25 inch shaft > interfere with the rudder? I have seen a 25 in shaft on Lee's S/V At Ease, > but he has the newer system with the electric rail system to raise and > lower his motor. SO. . . Does anyone have experience with a 25 inch shaft > motor on the OLD SYSTEM. Would the 25 inch shaft allow me NOT to have to > lower the motor as low and allow me to have more access to the controls. ( > my theory) But I will take experience over theory in making a decision. > > Thanks as always for the information, you guys are great. I know I can > always count on Da List for knowledge and decades of experience. > > Cary > S/V Whisper '86 > Claytor Lake , VA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3900.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 98949 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(And I got a great deal on it) I don?t think the length of the shaft changes the prop v rudder proximity. With the rudder fully down, there is never an issue. If the rudder is kicked up it? can hit the turning prop if you turn hard to portno matter what length shaft you have. I think the 25? shaft is a better choice because you have more flexibility. You might have trouble finding one with a power lift, but I wish I had that feature on my Honda and I?m trying to find a 3rd party supplier for an adaptable electric tilt. One issue I found is that the Honda housing is so large, it hits the stern rail when it is tilted up to the last notch and I can?t quite pull it up enough to reach the last notch on the 'holder upper' pin.? As a result, on starboard tack the prop drags in the water with any heal at all.? An electric tilt would solve that problem. I also added rollers at the bottom of Stan?s manual lift to take the load off the Starboard sliders in the aluminum rails. The rollers reduce the friction and make lifting and lowering the motor a breeze. BTW Be sure your wooden bracket is solid. Although it looked to be fine, the plywood had rotted and mine broke in 2020 - - -? MY YAMAHA went for a final and fatal swim. I built a new bracket and used clear epoxy on the rim os that I can see if there is any rot inside. Ric Sv Dadventure HBNY ? ?? Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Mar 28, 2023, at 11:10 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > I have an 86 Rhodes with the OLD motor mount system. Manual operation with > the pulley system. I have replaced the old tracks with aluminum tracks > replicated by a local machine shop. > Still the motor fits on the original Starboard material. I currently have a > 8 HP Yamaha with power thrust , electric start and electric/hydraulic tilt > which weighs in at approximately 100 lbs. My existing motor has the > standard sailboat 20 in shaft.? I am thinking about a replacement. I want > to stick with Yamaha because of the shift control located forward on the > handle. I have been looking at the 9.9 HP , which comes with a 20 in shaft > as well as a 25 inch shaft. My main concern is will the 25 inch shaft > interfere with the rudder? I have seen a 25 in shaft on Lee's S/V At Ease, > but he has the newer system with the electric rail system to raise and > lower his motor. SO. . . Does anyone have experience with a 25 inch shaft > motor on the OLD SYSTEM. Would the 25 inch shaft allow me? NOT to have to > lower the motor as low? and allow me to have more access to the controls. ( > my theory)? But I will take experience over theory in making a decision. > > Thanks as always for the information, you guys are great. I know I can > always count on Da List for knowledge and decades of experience. > > Cary > S/V Whisper '86 > Claytor Lake , VA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When the rudder blade is kicked up, it will hit all shaft length props. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a 25? extra long shaft Honda 8 outboard. I have the GBI motor mount with the manual multipart block & tackle. I prefer the manual raise/lower mechanism because it doesn?t require electricity. It?s a simple, easy to troubleshoot mechanism. I?ve had this motor mount since 2010 and it?s been totally bulletproof. The attached picture shows the motor mount in the fully lowered position. Note how far the lower unit is submerged below the waterline. [cid:image002.jpg at 01D96271.37207200] Although the GBI outboard motor mount will work with a long shaft engine, the extra long shaft 25? submerges the prop a few inches deeper. This extra depth provides a significant advantage in preventing cavitation when sailing in waves. I used to have an Evinrude 6 hp long shaft outboard. When motoring into waves, prop cavitation was often the limiting factor. 6 bhp was plenty of power; but, you couldn?t couple it to the water to turn the power into thrust when the waves were more than a few feet high. The extra long shaft motor adds significant capability for motoring into waves. If you ever find yourself out in foul weather, the extra long shaft adds safety because you can motor off a lee shore and keep the boat out of trouble. In my opinion, the extra long shaft engine is the only way to go. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 6:28 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Shaft Lenghts I have 1989 with electric /tilting lift. with xl shaft could be just long shaft On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 09:19:22 AM EDT, Ric Stott wrote: Cary - I have an ?86 a well with the same motor lift. I rebuilt my rails 2 years ago and should have extended them upward, past the rub rail that traverses the stern. I didn?t and it works as it should. I have a 25 ? shaft Honda 8 that I bought because I has a 12 anp alternator as opposed to the Yamaha 6 amp. (And I got a great deal on it) I don?t think the length of the shaft changes the prop v rudder proximity. With the rudder fully down, there is never an issue. If the rudder is kicked up it can hit the turning prop if you turn hard to portno matter what length shaft you have. I think the 25? shaft is a better choice because you have more flexibility. You might have trouble finding one with a power lift, but I wish I had that feature on my Honda and I?m trying to find a 3rd party supplier for an adaptable electric tilt. One issue I found is that the Honda housing is so large, it hits the stern rail when it is tilted up to the last notch and I can?t quite pull it up enough to reach the last notch on the 'holder upper' pin. As a result, on starboard tack the prop drags in the water with any heal at all. An electric tilt would solve that problem. I also added rollers at the bottom of Stan?s manual lift to take the load off the Starboard sliders in the aluminum rails. The rollers reduce the friction and make lifting and lowering the motor a breeze. BTW Be sure your wooden bracket is solid. Although it looked to be fine, the plywood had rotted and mine broke in 2020 - - - MY YAMAHA went for a final and fatal swim. I built a new bracket and used clear epoxy on the rim os that I can see if there is any rot inside. Ric Sv Dadventure HBNY ? ?? Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Mar 28, 2023, at 11:10 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > I have an 86 Rhodes with the OLD motor mount system. Manual operation with > the pulley system. I have replaced the old tracks with aluminum tracks > replicated by a local machine shop. > Still the motor fits on the original Starboard material. I currently have a > 8 HP Yamaha with power thrust , electric start and electric/hydraulic tilt > which weighs in at approximately 100 lbs. My existing motor has the > standard sailboat 20 in shaft. I am thinking about a replacement. I want > to stick with Yamaha because of the shift control located forward on the > handle. I have been looking at the 9.9 HP , which comes with a 20 in shaft > as well as a 25 inch shaft. My main concern is will the 25 inch shaft > interfere with the rudder? I have seen a 25 in shaft on Lee's S/V At Ease, > but he has the newer system with the electric rail system to raise and > lower his motor. SO. . . Does anyone have experience with a 25 inch shaft > motor on the OLD SYSTEM. Would the 25 inch shaft allow me NOT to have to > lower the motor as low and allow me to have more access to the controls. ( > my theory) But I will take experience over theory in making a decision. > > Thanks as always for the information, you guys are great. I know I can > always count on Da List for knowledge and decades of experience. > > Cary > S/V Whisper '86 > Claytor Lake , VA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3900.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 98949 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7168.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 127808 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7233.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 168928 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It would be impossible to do with just your fingers.Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone> On Mar 27, 2023, at 6:33 PM, jpd9668 wrote:> > ?Roger, I couldn't get my fingers and thumb to work the tiny cutters on the lower turnbuckle, much less get underneath the shroud tangs and with maybe 1inch clearance from the mast!Joe DempseyEx-Rhodes 22s/v RespiteTrojan 42m/v VoyageRDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------- Original message --------From: ROGER PIHLAJA Date: 3/27/23? 5:30 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Inie or Outie Cary,To reduce the chances of snagging a sail, sheet, or halyard on a cotter pin, they should all face inward toward the mast.? Actually, I like to use the circular split rings in this application to virtually eliminate the possibility of a snag.Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic EquilibriumSent from my iPhone> On Mar 27, 2023, at 2:06 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote:> > ?My first question of the 2023 sailing season. The spreader ,where it> connects to the mast, has pins that hold the forward and aft shrouds to the> spreader hardware. Some cotter pins are facing toward the mast and some are> facing out toward the spreader tips. Does it matter?? IS THERE A PREFERENCE?> > Cary> S/V Whisper 86> Claytor Lake VA From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 18:18:17 2023 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:18:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Shaft Lenghts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <64260ab4.050a0220.8b837.0ed8@mx.google.com> My '89/'05 Rhodes had the power lift and Stan's tiller/auxiliary linkage system. Prop/rudder interference was never an issue. I had? Suzuki EFI 9.9 with long Shafts and 4 blade power thrust Prop.? It moved us along at hull speed without a problem and kept batteries charged after start Up.Joe DempseyEx Rhodes 22s/v RespiteTrojan 42m/v VoyagerDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott Date: 3/29/23 9:19 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Shaft Lenghts Cary - I have an ?86 a well with the same motor lift. I rebuilt my rails 2 years ago and should have extended them upward, past the rub rail that traverses the stern.I didn?t and it works as it should. I have a 25 ? shaft Honda 8 that I? bought because I has a 12 anp alternator as opposed to the Yamaha 6 amp. (And I got a great deal on it) I don?t think the length of the shaft changes the prop v rudder proximity. With the rudder fully down, there is never an issue. If the rudder is kicked up it? can hit the turning prop if you turn hard to portno matter what length shaft you have. I think the 25? shaft is a better choice because you have more flexibility. You might have trouble finding one with a power lift, but I wish I had that feature on my Honda and I?m trying to find a 3rd party supplier for an adaptable electric tilt. One issue I found is that the Honda housing is so large, it hits the stern rail when it is tilted up to the last notch and I can?t quite pull it up enough to reach the last notch on the 'holder upper' pin.?? As a result, on starboard tack the prop drags in the water with any heal at all.? An electric tilt would solve that problem.I also added rollers at the bottom of Stan?s manual lift to take the load off the Starboard sliders in the aluminum rails. The rollers reduce the friction and make lifting and lowering the motor a breeze. BTW Be sure your wooden bracket is solid. Although it looked to be fine, the plywood had rotted and mine broke in 2020 - - -? MY YAMAHA went for a final and fatal swim.I built a new bracket and used clear epoxy on the rim os that I can see if there is any rot inside. Ric Sv Dadventure HBNY ??? Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.comO -631-283-1777C- 516-965-3164> On Mar 28, 2023, at 11:10 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote:> > I have an 86 Rhodes with the OLD motor mount system. Manual operation with> the pulley system. I have replaced the old tracks with aluminum tracks> replicated by a local machine shop.> Still the motor fits on the original Starboard material. I currently have a> 8 HP Yamaha with power thrust , electric start and electric/hydraulic tilt> which weighs in at approximately 100 lbs. My existing motor has the> standard sailboat 20 in shaft.? I am thinking about a replacement. I want> to stick with Yamaha because of the shift control located forward on the> handle. I have been looking at the 9.9 HP , which comes with a 20 in shaft> as well as a 25 inch shaft. My main concern is will the 25 inch shaft> interfere with the rudder? I have seen a 25 in shaft on Lee's S/V At Ease,> but he has the newer system with the electric rail system to raise and> lower his motor. SO. . . Does anyone have experience with a 25 inch shaft> motor on the OLD SYSTEM. Would the 25 inch shaft allow me? NOT to have to> lower the motor as low? and allow me to have more access to the controls. (> my theory)? But I will take experience over theory in making a decision.> > Thanks as always for the information, you guys are great. I know I can> always count on Da List for knowledge and decades of experience.> > Cary> S/V Whisper '86> Claytor Lake , VA-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: IMG_3900.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 98949 bytesDesc: not availableURL: -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: IMG_7168.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 127808 bytesDesc: not availableURL: -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: IMG_7233.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 168928 bytesDesc: not availableURL: