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Happy holidays to all and grateful for the community and friends of the Rhodes22.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2024, at 11:20?PM, Paul Rhodes <plrhodes29 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thankful for the Rhodes 22 community, and for Mike?s management of the website that helps tie it together!
> 
> Paul and Nancy Rhodes
> New Mercies (?90)
> Currently Lake Murray, SC
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2024, at 10:57?PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Happy Thanksgiving to all!Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NYI?d rather be sailing :~)


From thyatt at mica.edu  Tue Dec  3 10:03:38 2024
From: thyatt at mica.edu (Tom Hyatt)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 10:03:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
Message-ID: <CAEhtY2+hPcO=8=8-7EiQT4itQpfow=JDZ25jZnpqt7ZmSXtjHg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear R22 Members:

I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is
the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp
pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit.
I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe
will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added
weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?

Thanks for your help.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore MD

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Dec  3 10:46:39 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 10:46:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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I bought an 8HP Honda - electric Start in 2020. 
I love this motor.  It starts easily with one pull or with its electric starter. 
It has all the power I need- even going to weather against the tide and big breeze. 
It is very quiet and smooth and has a 12 Amp Alternator - big plus .
Cons: 
It?s heavy - 114 lbs. 
The low end of the throttle is not as smooth and easy as I would like - it?s difficult to fine tune the low end rpm?s but this might be solvable. 
The motor housing is larger than the  Yamaha and Mercury = it looks like a 15 HP.
I wish it had a power tilt as well - (hard to find) 
I might consider an electric motor with a removable battery but the honda 8HP  is a great choice 
Ric 
Dadventure 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Dec 3, 2024, at 10:03 AM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear R22 Members:
> 
> I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is
> the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp
> pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit.
> I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe
> will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added
> weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore MD


From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 10:51:06 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 10:51:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2+hPcO=8=8-7EiQT4itQpfow=JDZ25jZnpqt7ZmSXtjHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Honda all the way! I have a B100 from 50 or so years ago and its just the
right power, its a little bit heavy for the rhodes moving mount but, im ok
with it, just take the engine off for transport usually. Four stroke in a
sailboat is a big plus! I like being able to charge my batteries on the go

On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 10:13?AM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Dear R22 Members:
>
> I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is
> the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp
> pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit.
> I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe
> will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added
> weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore MD
>

From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 11:37:03 2024
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 11:37:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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I had a 5 HP which was definitely underpowered.  Last spring, based on some advice from the group, I got a 8 HP Mercury electric start motor.  It worked beautifully all summer, and got me out of some jams.

Bob Cohen
S/V Silver Bay
Onekama, MI

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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2024 10:04 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?

Dear R22 Members:

I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit.
I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?

Thanks for your help.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore MD


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From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 11:43:40 2024
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 11:43:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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Tom,

I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a 4 HP
Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even in offshore
conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost that boat in a
hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2 stroke Johnson
Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in very handy in a
squall we were caught in with 5 foot seas and 70 mph winds!  My current
Rhodes, a 2016 refurb came with a 9.9 HP 4 stroke Yamaha with electric
start and the electric power lift system.  The 4 stroke is much quieter and
I don't hate motoring like I used to.  I can actually participate in the
conversation with sailing guests while motoring!  I do think that 6 HP is
adequate for the Rhodes in coastal cruising (we sail mostly around the
Boston Harbor Islands with occasional trips up or down the coast) but the
extra HP can be handy in heavy weather conditions.

I am waiting for electrics to be developed with adequate battery capacity
for our needs.  That would be ideal!  Good luck in your search...


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*

On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 10:03?AM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Dear R22 Members:
>
> I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is
> the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp
> pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit.
> I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe
> will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added
> weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore MD
>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Tue Dec  3 11:49:29 2024
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 11:49:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
In-Reply-To: <CAEhtY2+hPcO=8=8-7EiQT4itQpfow=JDZ25jZnpqt7ZmSXtjHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Tom,
We originally had a Honda 8 which we liked a lot but I couldn't start by 
myself reliably. Because we kept the boat in a slip after we moved the 
boat to Rock Hall we didn't flush the motor regularly. Big mistake 
especially when we started sailing below the bridge. Salt finally filled 
up all the passages so badly the motor would have cost more to fix than 
we wanted to spend.

We replaced it with a Yamaha 8 with electric start and a flushing port 
on the upper part of the motor. It was a great motor. It was on the 
heavy side but we kept our water tank full and it seemed to balance the 
boat. I would hope the newer motors are lighter.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF 246? Tara? (with a 115 Yamaha - good grief!)
Rock Hall, MD

On 12/3/2024 10:03 AM, Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> Dear R22 Members:
>
> I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is
> the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp
> pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit.
> I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe
> will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added
> weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore MD


From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 11:56:24 2024
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 11:56:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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I have a Torqeedo electric motor and really like it, but my sailing is on an inland lake never very far from the marina.  I?m not sure how an electric motor would do for coastal cruising.  

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Dec 3, 2024, at 11:43?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a 4 HP
> Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even in offshore
> conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost that boat in a
> hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2 stroke Johnson
> Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in very handy in a
> squall we were caught in with 5 foot seas and 70 mph winds!  My current
> Rhodes, a 2016 refurb came with a 9.9 HP 4 stroke Yamaha with electric
> start and the electric power lift system.  The 4 stroke is much quieter and
> I don't hate motoring like I used to.  I can actually participate in the
> conversation with sailing guests while motoring!  I do think that 6 HP is
> adequate for the Rhodes in coastal cruising (we sail mostly around the
> Boston Harbor Islands with occasional trips up or down the coast) but the
> extra HP can be handy in heavy weather conditions.
> 
> I am waiting for electrics to be developed with adequate battery capacity
> for our needs.  That would be ideal!  Good luck in your search...
> 
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 10:03?AM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Dear R22 Members:
>> 
>> I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is
>> the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp
>> pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit.
>> I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe
>> will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added
>> weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?
>> 
>> Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> Tom Hyatt
>> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
>> Baltimore MD
>> 


From rweiss at siu.edu  Tue Dec  3 12:00:15 2024
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 17:00:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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I have an ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 electric motor and also am on an inland lake. I love it for my location, but am sure it would not be powerful enough for coastal cruising. It is the equivalent of 3 hp and at full power with just me in the boat it will move at 4.8 mph for an hour -- much longer at slower speeds.

Bob
Beach Spring

Dr. Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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I have a Torqeedo electric motor and really like it, but my sailing is on an inland lake never very far from the marina.  I?m not sure how an electric motor would do for coastal cruising.

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Dec 3, 2024, at 11:43?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a 4 HP
> Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even in offshore
> conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost that boat in a
> hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2 stroke Johnson
> Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in very handy in a
> squall we were caught in with 5 foot seas and 70 mph winds!  My current
> Rhodes, a 2016 refurb came with a 9.9 HP 4 stroke Yamaha with electric
> start and the electric power lift system.  The 4 stroke is much quieter and
> I don't hate motoring like I used to.  I can actually participate in the
> conversation with sailing guests while motoring!  I do think that 6 HP is
> adequate for the Rhodes in coastal cruising (we sail mostly around the
> Boston Harbor Islands with occasional trips up or down the coast) but the
> extra HP can be handy in heavy weather conditions.
>
> I am waiting for electrics to be developed with adequate battery capacity
> for our needs.  That would be ideal!  Good luck in your search...
>
>
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
> On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 10:03?AM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear R22 Members:
>>
>> I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is
>> the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp
>> pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit.
>> I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe
>> will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added
>> weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Tom Hyatt
>> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
>> Baltimore MD
>>


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue Dec  3 12:01:00 2024
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 11:01:00 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
In-Reply-To: <C2448000-7C7F-4807-9DB9-4603858D726B@gmail.com>
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I thought the 8hp mercury 4stroke was great, weighing at like 69lbs. No
issues motoring as long as I watched the water movements.  ..lake
Michigan...

I'd thought a dual lipo battery and a 150lb thrust electric would be ideal,
but gonna run about 12k to do.  Balance the weight low.

My .02

Cheers all, happy holidays.

On Tue, Dec 3, 2024, 10:56 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a Torqeedo electric motor and really like it, but my sailing is on
> an inland lake never very far from the marina.  I?m not sure how an
> electric motor would do for coastal cruising.
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
>
>
> > On Dec 3, 2024, at 11:43?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a 4 HP
> > Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even in offshore
> > conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost that boat in a
> > hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2 stroke Johnson
> > Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in very handy in a
> > squall we were caught in with 5 foot seas and 70 mph winds!  My current
> > Rhodes, a 2016 refurb came with a 9.9 HP 4 stroke Yamaha with electric
> > start and the electric power lift system.  The 4 stroke is much quieter
> and
> > I don't hate motoring like I used to.  I can actually participate in the
> > conversation with sailing guests while motoring!  I do think that 6 HP is
> > adequate for the Rhodes in coastal cruising (we sail mostly around the
> > Boston Harbor Islands with occasional trips up or down the coast) but the
> > extra HP can be handy in heavy weather conditions.
> >
> > I am waiting for electrics to be developed with adequate battery capacity
> > for our needs.  That would be ideal!  Good luck in your search...
> >
> >
> > *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Pinafore*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 10:03?AM Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear R22 Members:
> >>
> >> I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is
> >> the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp
> >> pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good
> bit.
> >> I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe
> >> will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the
> added
> >> weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help.
> >>
> >> Tom Hyatt
> >> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> >> Baltimore MD
> >>
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Dec  3 12:44:50 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 12:44:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
Message-ID: <E1tIWx8-00000003fce-26eo@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

The thing I like about my 8 hp Mercury is that throttle and shift are all integrated in one control on the tiller arm.  Twist one way, and the boat goes forward; the father you twist the faster it goes.  Twist the other way, and the boat goes backward.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]

> On 2024-12-03, at 10:03:38 EST, Tom Hyatt wrote:
>
> Dear R22 Members:
> 
> I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is the 
> best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp pull-start. 
> But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit. I?m toying with 
> the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe will be a lot smoother. 
> Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added weight be a factor? Honda vs. 
> Mercury? 
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore MD
> 



From davidmberg at mac.com  Tue Dec  3 14:50:25 2024
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 13:50:25 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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I have the Yamaha 9.9 four-stroke long shaft. Electric start. No complaints.

David Berg
S/V Blue Loon (1996/2003)
Minneapolis, MN

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom Hyatt via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2024 9:04 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?

Dear R22 Members:

I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit.
I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?

Thanks for your help.

Tom Hyatt
S/V Eliza Jane 1978
Baltimore MD


From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Tue Dec  3 15:03:19 2024
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 12:03:19 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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I have had a Torqeedo long shaft 3 horsepower equivalent for 15 years. It
is ideal for small Lake sailing, but I would want something stronger for
any place that was rougher.

Cheers,
Shawn
S/V Sweet Baboo (86/10)

On Tue, Dec 3, 2024, 11:50?AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I have the Yamaha 9.9 four-stroke long shaft. Electric start. No
> complaints.
>
> David Berg
> S/V Blue Loon (1996/2003)
> Minneapolis, MN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom
> Hyatt via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2024 9:04 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
>
> Dear R22 Members:
>
> I?m throwing this question out to the group. In your experience, what is
> the best motor for the Rhodes? I currently have a Tohatsu Sailpro 6 hp
> pull-start. But it always seems a bit underpowered and vibrates a good bit.
> I?m toying with the idea of getting  a 9.9 two cylinder which I believe
> will be a lot smoother. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions? Will the added
> weight be a factor? Honda vs. Mercury?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Tom Hyatt
> S/V Eliza Jane 1978
> Baltimore MD
>
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Dec  3 17:59:11 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 22:59:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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Hi Tom,

I?ve owned our Rhodes 22 since 1987.  It?s had 2 outboards, a 6 hp Evinrude long shaft and an 8 hp Honda extra long shaft.  Both motors gave reliable service.  In my opinion, 6 hp is about the minimum if you are going to be out in any sort of weather.  Of course, more is always better.

But, notice that I specified the shaft length?  The shaft length is at least as important as the hp.  With a transom hung outboard, a longer shaft permits the prop to stay submerged as the boat passes thru waves.  This is a particular issue on port tack.  In heavy weather, you are going to want to be able to motor sail to weather on BOTH tacks.  The 25? long shaft permits the boat to keep the prop submerged and thus better able to couple the power into the water.  Your outboard is useless and can be damaged if it is spinning helplessly out of the water.  What ever you buy, get the version with the longest available shaft.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2024, at 12:01?PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I have a Torqeedo electric motor and really like it, but my sailing is on
>> an inland lake never very far from the marina.  I?m not sure how an
>> electric motor would do for coastal cruising.
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>> Fairview, NC
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>> 
>> 
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 11:43?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tom,
>>> 
>>> I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a 4 HP
>>> Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even in offshore
>>> conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost that boat in a
>>> hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2 stroke Johnson
>>> Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in very handy in a

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Dec  4 08:05:33 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 13:05:33 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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Hi Tom,

The attached photo shows my Rhodes 22 with the extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard.  I was going to send this last night; but, I couldn't find the photo.  The boat has the GBI motor mount and the photo shows the motor in the lowest position.  This position is where you would run for motor sailing on port tack in heavy weather.  You can see how far below the waterline strip the prop is.  It would take a very large, steep, or breaking wave passing under the stern to cause the motor to cavitate.  The other thing you need to really make this work is the GBI engine mount because the engine can be operated in any position.  For example, on starboard tack, the illustrated position might cause the motor's power head to become submerged as the boat passed thru a wave.  But, with the boat heeled over on starboard tack, the lower unit doesn't need to be submerged as far.  The GBI motor mount allows you to raise it several inches to keep the power head clear of the water.

As far as whose brand of outboard has the best shifter, throttle, or tiller; I have always used the engine remote controls up in the cockpit.  You can see the engine remote control in the picture.  It's just behind the stanchion upright under the blue cover and sticking up a few inches above the gunnel.  I seldom use the engine's tiller, except in very close quarters maneuvering situations, like docking and then only to turn the engine to execute a sharp turn.  The Evinrude 6 hp had the two lever style remote engine controls and the Honda 8 has the single lever controls.  Both work well and I have a very slight preference for the single lever style.  Also note the control cables.  Because the GBI motor mount has such a large amount of up/down travel, you must have much longer than normal cables.  Note the way the cables are routed in a helix so they can move with the engine without interference or getting tangled up.  Standing at the helm with the engine controls in your left hand, tiller in your right, good visibility all around - ahh, how civilized!  Once you have tried remote engine controls, you won't ever want to be without them!

[X]

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2024 5:59 PM
To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?

Hi Tom,

I?ve owned our Rhodes 22 since 1987.  It?s had 2 outboards, a 6 hp Evinrude long shaft and an 8 hp Honda extra long shaft.  Both motors gave reliable service.  In my opinion, 6 hp is about the minimum if you are going to be out in any sort of weather.  Of course, more is always better.

But, notice that I specified the shaft length?  The shaft length is at least as important as the hp.  With a transom hung outboard, a longer shaft permits the prop to stay submerged as the boat passes thru waves.  This is a particular issue on port tack.  In heavy weather, you are going to want to be able to motor sail to weather on BOTH tacks.  The 25? long shaft permits the boat to keep the prop submerged and thus better able to couple the power into the water.  Your outboard is useless and can be damaged if it is spinning helplessly out of the water.  What ever you buy, get the version with the longest available shaft.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2024, at 12:01?PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a Torqeedo electric motor and really like it, but my sailing is on
>> an inland lake never very far from the marina.  I?m not sure how an
>> electric motor would do for coastal cruising.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>> Fairview, NC
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>>
>>
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 11:43?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a 4 HP
>>> Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even in offshore
>>> conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost that boat in a
>>> hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2 stroke Johnson
>>> Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in very handy in a

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Dec  4 12:15:46 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 12:15:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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Hi Roger,

Photo?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 8:06 AM
To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?

Hi Tom,

The attached photo shows my Rhodes 22 with the extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard.  I was going to send this last night; but, I couldn't find the photo.  The boat has the GBI motor mount and the photo shows the motor in the lowest position.  This position is where you would run for motor sailing on port tack in heavy weather.  You can see how far below the waterline strip the prop is.  It would take a very large, steep, or breaking wave passing under the stern to cause the motor to cavitate.  The other thing you need to really make this work is the GBI engine mount because the engine can be operated in any position.  For example, on starboard tack, the illustrated position might cause the motor's power head to become submerged as the boat passed thru a wave.  But, with the boat heeled over on starboard tack, the lower unit doesn't need to be submerged as far.  The GBI motor mount allows you to raise it several inches to keep the power head clear of the water.

As far as whose brand of outboard has the best shifter, throttle, or tiller; I have always used the engine remote controls up in the cockpit.  You can see the engine remote control in the picture.  It's just behind the stanchion upright under the blue cover and sticking up a few inches above the gunnel.  I seldom use the engine's tiller, except in very close quarters maneuvering situations, like docking and then only to turn the engine to execute a sharp turn.  The Evinrude 6 hp had the two lever style remote engine controls and the Honda 8 has the single lever controls.  Both work well and I have a very slight preference for the single lever style.  Also note the control cables.  Because the GBI motor mount has such a large amount of up/down travel, you must have much longer than normal cables.  Note the way the cables are routed in a helix so they can move with the engine without interference or getting tangled up.  Standing at the helm with the engine controls in your left hand, tiller in your right, good visibility all around - ahh, how civilized!  Once you have tried remote engine controls, you won't ever want to be without them!

[X]

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2024 5:59 PM
To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?

Hi Tom,

I?ve owned our Rhodes 22 since 1987.  It?s had 2 outboards, a 6 hp Evinrude long shaft and an 8 hp Honda extra long shaft.  Both motors gave reliable service.  In my opinion, 6 hp is about the minimum if you are going to be out in any sort of weather.  Of course, more is always better.

But, notice that I specified the shaft length?  The shaft length is at least as important as the hp.  With a transom hung outboard, a longer shaft permits the prop to stay submerged as the boat passes thru waves.  This is a particular issue on port tack.  In heavy weather, you are going to want to be able to motor sail to weather on BOTH tacks.  The 25? long shaft permits the boat to keep the prop submerged and thus better able to couple the power into the water.  Your outboard is useless and can be damaged if it is spinning helplessly out of the water.  What ever you buy, get the version with the longest available shaft.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2024, at 12:01?PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a Torqeedo electric motor and really like it, but my sailing 
>> is on an inland lake never very far from the marina.  I?m not sure 
>> how an electric motor would do for coastal cruising.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>> Fairview, NC
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>>
>>
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 11:43?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a 
>>> 4 HP Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even 
>>> in offshore conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost 
>>> that boat in a hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2 
>>> stroke Johnson Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in 
>>> very handy in a


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Dec  4 12:38:38 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 17:38:38 +0000
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I attached it?  Oh well, let's try again:

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

[cid:e039dc03-ba8c-433f-b4cb-1c5b91b807d6]



________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 12:15 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?

Hi Roger,

Photo?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 8:06 AM
To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?

Hi Tom,

The attached photo shows my Rhodes 22 with the extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard.  I was going to send this last night; but, I couldn't find the photo.  The boat has the GBI motor mount and the photo shows the motor in the lowest position.  This position is where you would run for motor sailing on port tack in heavy weather.  You can see how far below the waterline strip the prop is.  It would take a very large, steep, or breaking wave passing under the stern to cause the motor to cavitate.  The other thing you need to really make this work is the GBI engine mount because the engine can be operated in any position.  For example, on starboard tack, the illustrated position might cause the motor's power head to become submerged as the boat passed thru a wave.  But, with the boat heeled over on starboard tack, the lower unit doesn't need to be submerged as far.  The GBI motor mount allows you to raise it several inches to keep the power head clear of the water.

As far as whose brand of outboard has the best shifter, throttle, or tiller; I have always used the engine remote controls up in the cockpit.  You can see the engine remote control in the picture.  It's just behind the stanchion upright under the blue cover and sticking up a few inches above the gunnel.  I seldom use the engine's tiller, except in very close quarters maneuvering situations, like docking and then only to turn the engine to execute a sharp turn.  The Evinrude 6 hp had the two lever style remote engine controls and the Honda 8 has the single lever controls.  Both work well and I have a very slight preference for the single lever style.  Also note the control cables.  Because the GBI motor mount has such a large amount of up/down travel, you must have much longer than normal cables.  Note the way the cables are routed in a helix so they can move with the engine without interference or getting tangled up.  Standing at the helm with the engine controls in your left hand, tiller in your right, good visibility all around - ahh, how civilized!  Once you have tried remote engine controls, you won't ever want to be without them!

[X]

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2024 5:59 PM
To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?

Hi Tom,

I?ve owned our Rhodes 22 since 1987.  It?s had 2 outboards, a 6 hp Evinrude long shaft and an 8 hp Honda extra long shaft.  Both motors gave reliable service.  In my opinion, 6 hp is about the minimum if you are going to be out in any sort of weather.  Of course, more is always better.

But, notice that I specified the shaft length?  The shaft length is at least as important as the hp.  With a transom hung outboard, a longer shaft permits the prop to stay submerged as the boat passes thru waves.  This is a particular issue on port tack.  In heavy weather, you are going to want to be able to motor sail to weather on BOTH tacks.  The 25? long shaft permits the boat to keep the prop submerged and thus better able to couple the power into the water.  Your outboard is useless and can be damaged if it is spinning helplessly out of the water.  What ever you buy, get the version with the longest available shaft.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2024, at 12:01?PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a Torqeedo electric motor and really like it, but my sailing
>> is on an inland lake never very far from the marina.  I?m not sure
>> how an electric motor would do for coastal cruising.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>> Fairview, NC
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>>
>>
>>>>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 11:43?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>>
>>> I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a
>>> 4 HP Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even
>>> in offshore conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost
>>> that boat in a hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2
>>> stroke Johnson Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in
>>> very handy in a

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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Dec  4 14:14:29 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:14:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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Roger - you are right-on about the extra long shaft.  It makes a huge difference if you are in the waves. 
25? extra long shafts are more expensive and heavier, but are worth it. 
Dadventure has the old style 6;1 manual motor lift which works very well after I rebuilt it. 
I often use the motor tiller with the rudder pulled up and locked, to navigate around the shallow docks when  at our favorite marine restaurant or if I?m in the shallows clamming. How many sailboats can you take for a clamming expedition? 
Question: 
Do you leave the motor on the boat all winter or do you store it indoors? 
Thanks for all you do. 
Ric 
Dadventure 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Dec 4, 2024, at 12:38 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I attached it?  Oh well, let's try again:
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978  Sanford, MI
> 
> [cid:e039dc03-ba8c-433f-b4cb-1c5b91b807d6]
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 12:15 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
> 
> Hi Roger,
> 
> Photo?
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 8:06 AM
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> The attached photo shows my Rhodes 22 with the extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard.  I was going to send this last night; but, I couldn't find the photo.  The boat has the GBI motor mount and the photo shows the motor in the lowest position.  This position is where you would run for motor sailing on port tack in heavy weather.  You can see how far below the waterline strip the prop is.  It would take a very large, steep, or breaking wave passing under the stern to cause the motor to cavitate.  The other thing you need to really make this work is the GBI engine mount because the engine can be operated in any position.  For example, on starboard tack, the illustrated position might cause the motor's power head to become submerged as the boat passed thru a wave.  But, with the boat heeled over on starboard tack, the lower unit doesn't need to be submerged as far.  The GBI motor mount allows you to raise it several inches to keep the power head clear of the water.
> 
> As far as whose brand of outboard has the best shifter, throttle, or tiller; I have always used the engine remote controls up in the cockpit.  You can see the engine remote control in the picture.  It's just behind the stanchion upright under the blue cover and sticking up a few inches above the gunnel.  I seldom use the engine's tiller, except in very close quarters maneuvering situations, like docking and then only to turn the engine to execute a sharp turn.  The Evinrude 6 hp had the two lever style remote engine controls and the Honda 8 has the single lever controls.  Both work well and I have a very slight preference for the single lever style.  Also note the control cables.  Because the GBI motor mount has such a large amount of up/down travel, you must have much longer than normal cables.  Note the way the cables are routed in a helix so they can move with the engine without interference or getting tangled up.  Standing at the helm with the engine controls in your left hand, tiller in your right, good visibility all around - ahh, how civilized!  Once you have tried remote engine controls, you won't ever want to be without them!
> 
> [X]
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2024 5:59 PM
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I?ve owned our Rhodes 22 since 1987.  It?s had 2 outboards, a 6 hp Evinrude long shaft and an 8 hp Honda extra long shaft.  Both motors gave reliable service.  In my opinion, 6 hp is about the minimum if you are going to be out in any sort of weather.  Of course, more is always better.
> 
> But, notice that I specified the shaft length?  The shaft length is at least as important as the hp.  With a transom hung outboard, a longer shaft permits the prop to stay submerged as the boat passes thru waves.  This is a particular issue on port tack.  In heavy weather, you are going to want to be able to motor sail to weather on BOTH tacks.  The 25? long shaft permits the boat to keep the prop submerged and thus better able to couple the power into the water.  Your outboard is useless and can be damaged if it is spinning helplessly out of the water.  What ever you buy, get the version with the longest available shaft.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 12:01?PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a Torqeedo electric motor and really like it, but my sailing
>>> is on an inland lake never very far from the marina.  I?m not sure
>>> how an electric motor would do for coastal cruising.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>> Frank Goldsmith
>>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>>> Fairview, NC
>>> Lake Keowee, SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 11:43?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Tom,
>>>> 
>>>> I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a
>>>> 4 HP Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even
>>>> in offshore conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost
>>>> that boat in a hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2
>>>> stroke Johnson Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in
>>>> very handy in a
> 
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Dec  4 16:14:22 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 21:14:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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Hi Richard,

I store my engine on the boat.  To winterize the engine; I run the carb out of gas, then change the engine and gearbox oil.  I pull the spark plugs, squirt some engine oil into each cylinder, turn the engine over by hand to distribute the oil, and then put the spark plugs back in.  I store my boat at the Midland County Fairgrounds.  The county rents out the animal and vender buildings for winter storage for boats, RV's, cars, and motorcycles.  It's secure, indoor storage at an attractive price for residents of Midland County.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 2:14 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?

Roger - you are right-on about the extra long shaft.  It makes a huge difference if you are in the waves.
25? extra long shafts are more expensive and heavier, but are worth it.
Dadventure has the old style 6;1 manual motor lift which works very well after I rebuilt it.
I often use the motor tiller with the rudder pulled up and locked, to navigate around the shallow docks when  at our favorite marine restaurant or if I?m in the shallows clamming. How many sailboats can you take for a clamming expedition?
Question:
Do you leave the motor on the boat all winter or do you store it indoors?
Thanks for all you do.
Ric
Dadventure

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Dec 4, 2024, at 12:38 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> I attached it?  Oh well, let's try again:
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978  Sanford, MI
>
> [cid:e039dc03-ba8c-433f-b4cb-1c5b91b807d6]
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 12:15 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> Photo?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 8:06 AM
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> The attached photo shows my Rhodes 22 with the extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard.  I was going to send this last night; but, I couldn't find the photo.  The boat has the GBI motor mount and the photo shows the motor in the lowest position.  This position is where you would run for motor sailing on port tack in heavy weather.  You can see how far below the waterline strip the prop is.  It would take a very large, steep, or breaking wave passing under the stern to cause the motor to cavitate.  The other thing you need to really make this work is the GBI engine mount because the engine can be operated in any position.  For example, on starboard tack, the illustrated position might cause the motor's power head to become submerged as the boat passed thru a wave.  But, with the boat heeled over on starboard tack, the lower unit doesn't need to be submerged as far.  The GBI motor mount allows you to raise it several inches to keep the power head clear of the water.
>
> As far as whose brand of outboard has the best shifter, throttle, or tiller; I have always used the engine remote controls up in the cockpit.  You can see the engine remote control in the picture.  It's just behind the stanchion upright under the blue cover and sticking up a few inches above the gunnel.  I seldom use the engine's tiller, except in very close quarters maneuvering situations, like docking and then only to turn the engine to execute a sharp turn.  The Evinrude 6 hp had the two lever style remote engine controls and the Honda 8 has the single lever controls.  Both work well and I have a very slight preference for the single lever style.  Also note the control cables.  Because the GBI motor mount has such a large amount of up/down travel, you must have much longer than normal cables.  Note the way the cables are routed in a helix so they can move with the engine without interference or getting tangled up.  Standing at the helm with the engine controls in your left hand, tiller in your right, good visibility all around - ahh, how civilized!  Once you have tried remote engine controls, you won't ever want to be without them!
>
> [X]
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2024 5:59 PM
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I?ve owned our Rhodes 22 since 1987.  It?s had 2 outboards, a 6 hp Evinrude long shaft and an 8 hp Honda extra long shaft.  Both motors gave reliable service.  In my opinion, 6 hp is about the minimum if you are going to be out in any sort of weather.  Of course, more is always better.
>
> But, notice that I specified the shaft length?  The shaft length is at least as important as the hp.  With a transom hung outboard, a longer shaft permits the prop to stay submerged as the boat passes thru waves.  This is a particular issue on port tack.  In heavy weather, you are going to want to be able to motor sail to weather on BOTH tacks.  The 25? long shaft permits the boat to keep the prop submerged and thus better able to couple the power into the water.  Your outboard is useless and can be damaged if it is spinning helplessly out of the water.  What ever you buy, get the version with the longest available shaft.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 12:01?PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Torqeedo electric motor and really like it, but my sailing
>>> is on an inland lake never very far from the marina.  I?m not sure
>>> how an electric motor would do for coastal cruising.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Frank Goldsmith
>>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>>> Fairview, NC
>>> Lake Keowee, SC
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 11:43?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>>
>>>> I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a
>>>> 4 HP Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even
>>>> in offshore conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost
>>>> that boat in a hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2
>>>> stroke Johnson Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in
>>>> very handy in a
>
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Dec  4 16:23:30 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 16:23:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
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That sounds like a great community asset Roger - nice. 
I have been taking the motor off and storing it in the basement - I?m getting too old and rickety for that now. 
I think it will stay on the boat in my side yard this winter - winterized, (my motor has a carburetor drain) covered and cozy, but still in freezing conditions. 
Ric
Dadventure 
 
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Dec 4, 2024, at 4:14 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> I store my engine on the boat.  To winterize the engine; I run the carb out of gas, then change the engine and gearbox oil.  I pull the spark plugs, squirt some engine oil into each cylinder, turn the engine over by hand to distribute the oil, and then put the spark plugs back in.  I store my boat at the Midland County Fairgrounds.  The county rents out the animal and vender buildings for winter storage for boats, RV's, cars, and motorcycles.  It's secure, indoor storage at an attractive price for residents of Midland County.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978  Sanford, MI
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 2:14 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
> 
> Roger - you are right-on about the extra long shaft.  It makes a huge difference if you are in the waves.
> 25? extra long shafts are more expensive and heavier, but are worth it.
> Dadventure has the old style 6;1 manual motor lift which works very well after I rebuilt it.
> I often use the motor tiller with the rudder pulled up and locked, to navigate around the shallow docks when  at our favorite marine restaurant or if I?m in the shallows clamming. How many sailboats can you take for a clamming expedition?
> Question:
> Do you leave the motor on the boat all winter or do you store it indoors?
> Thanks for all you do.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2024, at 12:38 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I attached it?  Oh well, let's try again:
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 1978  Sanford, MI
>> 
>> [cid:e039dc03-ba8c-433f-b4cb-1c5b91b807d6]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 12:15 PM
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
>> 
>> Hi Roger,
>> 
>> Photo?
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2024 8:06 AM
>> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
>> 
>> Hi Tom,
>> 
>> The attached photo shows my Rhodes 22 with the extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard.  I was going to send this last night; but, I couldn't find the photo.  The boat has the GBI motor mount and the photo shows the motor in the lowest position.  This position is where you would run for motor sailing on port tack in heavy weather.  You can see how far below the waterline strip the prop is.  It would take a very large, steep, or breaking wave passing under the stern to cause the motor to cavitate.  The other thing you need to really make this work is the GBI engine mount because the engine can be operated in any position.  For example, on starboard tack, the illustrated position might cause the motor's power head to become submerged as the boat passed thru a wave.  But, with the boat heeled over on starboard tack, the lower unit doesn't need to be submerged as far.  The GBI motor mount allows you to raise it several inches to keep the power head clear of the water.
>> 
>> As far as whose brand of outboard has the best shifter, throttle, or tiller; I have always used the engine remote controls up in the cockpit.  You can see the engine remote control in the picture.  It's just behind the stanchion upright under the blue cover and sticking up a few inches above the gunnel.  I seldom use the engine's tiller, except in very close quarters maneuvering situations, like docking and then only to turn the engine to execute a sharp turn.  The Evinrude 6 hp had the two lever style remote engine controls and the Honda 8 has the single lever controls.  Both work well and I have a very slight preference for the single lever style.  Also note the control cables.  Because the GBI motor mount has such a large amount of up/down travel, you must have much longer than normal cables.  Note the way the cables are routed in a helix so they can move with the engine without interference or getting tangled up. Standing at the helm with the engine controls in your left hand, tiller in your right, good visibility all around - ahh, how civilized!  Once you have tried remote engine controls, you won't ever want to be without them!
>> 
>> [X]
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2024 5:59 PM
>> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Cc: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
>> 
>> Hi Tom,
>> 
>> I?ve owned our Rhodes 22 since 1987.  It?s had 2 outboards, a 6 hp Evinrude long shaft and an 8 hp Honda extra long shaft.  Both motors gave reliable service.  In my opinion, 6 hp is about the minimum if you are going to be out in any sort of weather.  Of course, more is always better.
>> 
>> But, notice that I specified the shaft length?  The shaft length is at least as important as the hp.  With a transom hung outboard, a longer shaft permits the prop to stay submerged as the boat passes thru waves.  This is a particular issue on port tack.  In heavy weather, you are going to want to be able to motor sail to weather on BOTH tacks.  The 25? long shaft permits the boat to keep the prop submerged and thus better able to couple the power into the water.  Your outboard is useless and can be damaged if it is spinning helplessly out of the water.  What ever you buy, get the version with the longest available shaft.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 12:01?PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have a Torqeedo electric motor and really like it, but my sailing
>>>> is on an inland lake never very far from the marina.  I?m not sure
>>>> how an electric motor would do for coastal cruising.
>>>> 
>>>> Frank
>>>> 
>>>> Frank Goldsmith
>>>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>>>> Fairview, NC
>>>> Lake Keowee, SC
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 3, 2024, at 11:43?AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am a Rhodes 22 owner since 2003.  My first was a lake boat with a
>>>>> 4 HP Mariner 2 stroke outboard.  I found the 4 horse adequate even
>>>>> in offshore conditions with 4 ft. seas and 35 mph winds.  I lost
>>>>> that boat in a hurricane and the replacement came with a 9.9 HP 2
>>>>> stroke Johnson Sailmaster.  I will concede that the extra HP came in
>>>>> very handy in a
>> 
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From boris at borisland.com  Thu Dec  5 15:52:45 2024
From: boris at borisland.com (boris at borisland.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2024 15:52:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
Message-ID: <A1D546CC-38EF-4412-8ED1-6BD769D31364@borisland.com>

Asking the hive mind for advice:

I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad trailer.  I?ve seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly wild range for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that the 1970s boats are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast furling and use balsa core rather than marine foam - but the one in question has been refurbished with a marine head installation, so it?s not the original-spec.  Further, Triad trailers can be two-axle and one-axle, and this one is one-axle.  
Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle triad trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer total weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so this is an important question for me.

Boris


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Dec  5 16:36:02 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2024 16:36:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
Message-ID: <E1tJJVy-0000000CnZI-3hT7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Boris,

There's a topic in the Reference Pages section of the website with a bit of info on this:

http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T|reference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html

My R22 was built in '88, and I have a 2 axle Triad trailer, so I may be at the heavier end of the spectrum.  My '07 Tacoma has the factory towing package, and is rated for 6,500 lbs. I get where I'm going, but there are times that more power would be nice.

I personally don't think 3,500 is going to cut it, unless you're only going a couple of miles over level ground.

Let's see what the rest of hive-mind thinks.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]

> On 2024-12-05, at 15:52:45 EST, boris at borisland.com wrote:
>
> Asking the hive mind for advice:
> 
> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad trailer.  I?ve 
> seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly wild range 
> for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that the 1970s boats 
> are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast furling and use balsa core 
> rather than marine foam - but the one in question has been refurbished with a 
> marine head installation, so it?s not the original-spec.  Further, Triad 
> trailers can be two-axle and one-axle, and this one is one-axle. 
> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle triad 
> trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer total 
> weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so this is an 
> important question for me. 
> 
> Boris
> 
> 



From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Thu Dec  5 16:43:26 2024
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2024 15:43:26 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <E1tJJVy-0000000CnZI-3hT7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
References: <E1tJJVy-0000000CnZI-3hT7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY4n6+YtTg1qqUZTXjTf1JO8ypTaeSTTiqTGE=ROBKNVYA@mail.gmail.com>

My V6 2012 grand Cherokee would move the boat at 45mph.  I wouldn't "haul"
with that vehicle.  2015 Duramax didn't even notice it was back there.
 2012/2017 IMF boat. Dual axle, triad specs trailer.  With "stuff" but no
water, and the 8hp merc , it was just around 3000lbs give or take.   It was
best with 425lbs of young weight. Motor on the back of the boat.

Best regards


On Thu, Dec 5, 2024, 3:36 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Boris,
>
> There's a topic in the Reference Pages section of the website with a bit
> of info on this:
>
>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T|reference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html
> <http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T%7Creference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html>
>
> My R22 was built in '88, and I have a 2 axle Triad trailer, so I may be at
> the heavier end of the spectrum.  My '07 Tacoma has the factory towing
> package, and is rated for 6,500 lbs. I get where I'm going, but there are
> times that more power would be nice.
>
> I personally don't think 3,500 is going to cut it, unless you're only
> going a couple of miles over level ground.
>
> Let's see what the rest of hive-mind thinks.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
> > On 2024-12-05, at 15:52:45 EST, boris at borisland.com wrote:
> >
> > Asking the hive mind for advice:
> >
> > I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad
> trailer.  I?ve
> > seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly
> wild range
> > for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that the
> 1970s boats
> > are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast furling and use
> balsa core
> > rather than marine foam - but the one in question has been refurbished
> with a
> > marine head installation, so it?s not the original-spec.  Further, Triad
> > trailers can be two-axle and one-axle, and this one is one-axle.
> > Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle
> triad
> > trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer
> total
> > weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so this
> is an
> > important question for me.
> >
> > Boris
> >
> >
>
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Dec  5 16:45:36 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2024 16:45:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
Message-ID: <E1tJJfE-0000000EoUS-0wH7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Well, that link doesn't seem to work.  To find the page, go to the main reference page:

http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-pages.html

Then go to the section for 'Towing' under the letter 'T'.

The Topic is 'Rhodes 22 Tow Weight'.

--Peter

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From boris at borisland.com  Thu Dec  5 18:10:11 2024
From: boris at borisland.com (Boris Hayete)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2024 18:10:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <E1tJJVy-0000000CnZI-3hT7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
References: <E1tJJVy-0000000CnZI-3hT7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
Message-ID: <d2845f45-f885-4f0d-ac48-15975653804e@borisland.com>

This link seems to be broken, or the page is gone from the server.

Boris

On 12/5/24 16:36, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> Boris,
>
> There's a topic in the Reference Pages section of the website with a bit of info on this:
>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T|reference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html
>
> My R22 was built in '88, and I have a 2 axle Triad trailer, so I may be at the heavier end of the spectrum.  My '07 Tacoma has the factory towing package, and is rated for 6,500 lbs. I get where I'm going, but there are times that more power would be nice.
>
> I personally don't think 3,500 is going to cut it, unless you're only going a couple of miles over level ground.
>
> Let's see what the rest of hive-mind thinks.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
>> On 2024-12-05, at 15:52:45 EST, boris at borisland.com wrote:
>>
>> Asking the hive mind for advice:
>>
>> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad trailer.  I?ve
>> seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly wild range
>> for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that the 1970s boats
>> are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast furling and use balsa core
>> rather than marine foam - but the one in question has been refurbished with a
>> marine head installation, so it?s not the original-spec.  Further, Triad
>> trailers can be two-axle and one-axle, and this one is one-axle.
>> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle triad
>> trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer total
>> weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so this is an
>> important question for me.
>>
>> Boris
>>
>>
>

From boris at borisland.com  Thu Dec  5 18:18:48 2024
From: boris at borisland.com (Boris Hayete)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2024 18:18:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <E1tJJfE-0000000EoUS-0wH7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
References: <E1tJJfE-0000000EoUS-0wH7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
Message-ID: <e7026eff-b17f-4675-9450-9ffe1b929dc4@borisland.com>

Ah yes, I've seen that post - and thanks for sending this link. This is 
why I'm saying I've seen a wild variability in weight estimates.? This 
post claims - possibly incorrectly - that their Rhodes *alone* clocks in 
at 3700lbs, when any page remotely related to General Boats has much 
lower numbers (Sailboat Data has 2000!), and what I've seen posted by a 
few folks seems to be between 3500 and 4500 with trailer (with the boat 
heavily loaded).? One gentleman whose boat I looked at in person told me 
when he towed it during covid (he never sailed it), the trailer and the 
boat clocked in at 3500 exactly when he took them to the weight station, 
but the trailer was not Triad.? This is why I'm asking for peoples' 
measured weights from first hand experience.

Boris


On 12/5/24 16:45, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> Well, that link doesn't seem to work.  To find the page, go to the main reference page:
>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-pages.html
>
> Then go to the section for 'Towing' under the letter 'T'.
>
> The Topic is 'Rhodes 22 Tow Weight'.
>
> --Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>

From kensimolo at gmail.com  Fri Dec  6 03:10:25 2024
From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 00:10:25 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <e7026eff-b17f-4675-9450-9ffe1b929dc4@borisland.com>
References: <E1tJJfE-0000000EoUS-0wH7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
 <e7026eff-b17f-4675-9450-9ffe1b929dc4@borisland.com>
Message-ID: <CAK_z4DoysbuHMj9f=y8CcwBYDkaX_9x5TmT2vqNRdeyYwgEyOw@mail.gmail.com>

 Hooked up to the truck which was off the scale, the scale weight on the
single trailer axle was 700 lbs

On December 6, 2024 at 2:38:34?AM, Boris Hayete (boris at borisland.com) wrote:

Ah yes, I've seen that post - and thanks for sending this link. This is
br/>why I'm saying I've seen a wild variability in weight estimaates.  This
br/>post claims - possibly incorrectly - that their Rhodes *alone* clocks
in br/>at 3700lbs, when any page remotely relaated to General Boats has
much br/>lower numbers (Sailboat Data has 22000!), and what I've seen
posted by a br/>few folks seems to be beetween 3500 and 4500 with trailer
(with the boat br/>heavily loaded)..  One gentleman whose boat I looked at
in person told me br/>whhen he towed it during covid (he never sailed it),
the trailer and the
boat clocked in at 3500 exactly when he took them to the weight station,
br/>but the trailer was not Triad.  This is why I'm asking for peoples'
br/>measured weights from first hand experience. <

Boris


On 12/5/24 16:45, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> Well, that link doesn't seem to work. To find the page, go to the main
reference page:
>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-pages.html
>
> Then go to the section for 'Towing' under the letter 'T'.
>
> The Topic is 'Rhodes 22 Tow Weight'.
>
> --Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>

From boris at borisland.com  Fri Dec  6 05:45:39 2024
From: boris at borisland.com (Boris Hayete)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 05:45:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY4n6+YtTg1qqUZTXjTf1JO8ypTaeSTTiqTGE=ROBKNVYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY4n6+YtTg1qqUZTXjTf1JO8ypTaeSTTiqTGE=ROBKNVYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15D65559-5503-4FB6-B45D-67AB577F6631@borisland.com>

This is very helpful, Tom.  Could you explain the concept of ?young weight??

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2024, at 4:43?PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My V6 2012 grand Cherokee would move the boat at 45mph.  I wouldn't "haul"
> with that vehicle.  2015 Duramax didn't even notice it was back there.
> 2012/2017 IMF boat. Dual axle, triad specs trailer.  With "stuff" but no
> water, and the 8hp merc , it was just around 3000lbs give or take.   It was
> best with 425lbs of young weight. Motor on the back of the boat.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2024, 3:36 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Boris,
>> 
>> There's a topic in the Reference Pages section of the website with a bit
>> of info on this:
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T|reference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html
>> <http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T%7Creference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html>
>> 
>> My R22 was built in '88, and I have a 2 axle Triad trailer, so I may be at
>> the heavier end of the spectrum.  My '07 Tacoma has the factory towing
>> package, and is rated for 6,500 lbs. I get where I'm going, but there are
>> times that more power would be nice.
>> 
>> I personally don't think 3,500 is going to cut it, unless you're only
>> going a couple of miles over level ground.
>> 
>> Let's see what the rest of hive-mind thinks.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>> 
>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>> 
>>>> On 2024-12-05, at 15:52:45 EST, boris at borisland.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Asking the hive mind for advice:
>>> 
>>> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad
>> trailer.  I?ve
>>> seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly
>> wild range
>>> for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that the
>> 1970s boats
>>> are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast furling and use
>> balsa core
>>> rather than marine foam - but the one in question has been refurbished
>> with a
>>> marine head installation, so it?s not the original-spec.  Further, Triad
>>> trailers can be two-axle and one-axle, and this one is one-axle.
>>> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle
>> triad
>>> trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer
>> total
>>> weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so this
>> is an
>>> important question for me.
>>> 
>>> Boris
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Dec  6 07:14:40 2024
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 06:14:40 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <15D65559-5503-4FB6-B45D-67AB577F6631@borisland.com>
References: <CAEqJHY4n6+YtTg1qqUZTXjTf1JO8ypTaeSTTiqTGE=ROBKNVYA@mail.gmail.com>
 <15D65559-5503-4FB6-B45D-67AB577F6631@borisland.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5rwpSTEczvf56bq7q69xewx63WWwvW0ko3ooe04Haa6w@mail.gmail.com>

Tongue

On Fri, Dec 6, 2024, 4:45 AM Boris Hayete <boris at borisland.com> wrote:

> This is very helpful, Tom.  Could you explain the concept of ?young
> weight??
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 5, 2024, at 4:43?PM, Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?My V6 2012 grand Cherokee would move the boat at 45mph.  I wouldn't
> "haul"
> > with that vehicle.  2015 Duramax didn't even notice it was back there.
> > 2012/2017 IMF boat. Dual axle, triad specs trailer.  With "stuff" but no
> > water, and the 8hp merc , it was just around 3000lbs give or take.   It
> was
> > best with 425lbs of young weight. Motor on the back of the boat.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2024, 3:36 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Boris,
> >>
> >> There's a topic in the Reference Pages section of the website with a bit
> >> of info on this:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T|reference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html
> <http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T%7Creference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html>
> >> <
> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T%7Creference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html
> >
> >>
> >> My R22 was built in '88, and I have a 2 axle Triad trailer, so I may be
> at
> >> the heavier end of the spectrum.  My '07 Tacoma has the factory towing
> >> package, and is rated for 6,500 lbs. I get where I'm going, but there
> are
> >> times that more power would be nice.
> >>
> >> I personally don't think 3,500 is going to cut it, unless you're only
> >> going a couple of miles over level ground.
> >>
> >> Let's see what the rest of hive-mind thinks.
> >>
> >> Peter Nyberg
> >> Coventry, CT
> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>
> >>
> >> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>
> >>>> On 2024-12-05, at 15:52:45 EST, boris at borisland.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Asking the hive mind for advice:
> >>>
> >>> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad
> >> trailer.  I?ve
> >>> seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly
> >> wild range
> >>> for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that the
> >> 1970s boats
> >>> are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast furling and use
> >> balsa core
> >>> rather than marine foam - but the one in question has been refurbished
> >> with a
> >>> marine head installation, so it?s not the original-spec.  Further,
> Triad
> >>> trailers can be two-axle and one-axle, and this one is one-axle.
> >>> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle
> >> triad
> >>> trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer
> >> total
> >>> weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so this
> >> is an
> >>> important question for me.
> >>>
> >>> Boris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>

From boris at borisland.com  Fri Dec  6 07:50:42 2024
From: boris at borisland.com (Boris Hayete)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 07:50:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY5rwpSTEczvf56bq7q69xewx63WWwvW0ko3ooe04Haa6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY5rwpSTEczvf56bq7q69xewx63WWwvW0ko3ooe04Haa6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3865CDF9-CA97-415D-BB6F-C912F07C6372@borisland.com>

Ah, I?m slow!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2024, at 7:14?AM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Tongue
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024, 4:45 AM Boris Hayete <boris at borisland.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is very helpful, Tom.  Could you explain the concept of ?young
>> weight??
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2024, at 4:43?PM, Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?My V6 2012 grand Cherokee would move the boat at 45mph.  I wouldn't
>> "haul"
>>> with that vehicle.  2015 Duramax didn't even notice it was back there.
>>> 2012/2017 IMF boat. Dual axle, triad specs trailer.  With "stuff" but no
>>> water, and the 8hp merc , it was just around 3000lbs give or take.   It
>> was
>>> best with 425lbs of young weight. Motor on the back of the boat.
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2024, 3:36 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Boris,
>>>> 
>>>> There's a topic in the Reference Pages section of the website with a bit
>>>> of info on this:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T|reference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html
>> <http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T%7Creference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html>
>>>> <
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?T%7Creference/Towing%20-%20Rhodes%2022%20Tow%20Weight.html
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My R22 was built in '88, and I have a 2 axle Triad trailer, so I may be
>> at
>>>> the heavier end of the spectrum.  My '07 Tacoma has the factory towing
>>>> package, and is rated for 6,500 lbs. I get where I'm going, but there
>> are
>>>> times that more power would be nice.
>>>> 
>>>> I personally don't think 3,500 is going to cut it, unless you're only
>>>> going a couple of miles over level ground.
>>>> 
>>>> Let's see what the rest of hive-mind thinks.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2024-12-05, at 15:52:45 EST, boris at borisland.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Asking the hive mind for advice:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad
>>>> trailer.  I?ve
>>>>> seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly
>>>> wild range
>>>>> for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that the
>>>> 1970s boats
>>>>> are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast furling and use
>>>> balsa core
>>>>> rather than marine foam - but the one in question has been refurbished
>>>> with a
>>>>> marine head installation, so it?s not the original-spec.  Further,
>> Triad
>>>>> trailers can be two-axle and one-axle, and this one is one-axle.
>>>>> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle
>>>> triad
>>>>> trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer
>>>> total
>>>>> weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so this
>>>> is an
>>>>> important question for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Boris
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Fri Dec  6 08:00:33 2024
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 08:00:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAK_z4DoysbuHMj9f=y8CcwBYDkaX_9x5TmT2vqNRdeyYwgEyOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1tJJfE-0000000EoUS-0wH7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
 <e7026eff-b17f-4675-9450-9ffe1b929dc4@borisland.com>
 <CAK_z4DoysbuHMj9f=y8CcwBYDkaX_9x5TmT2vqNRdeyYwgEyOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGJx+DbGB0nmY=CoXNs7A8hm9ADK12A=XH6fiQh5QFGgC270g@mail.gmail.com>

Here is what I posted in 2016 (not recently):

I recently weighed my boat & trailer, then weighed the trailer without the
boat

With 2 batteries & charger

With some tools and jackets, not much else

With several fenders, boat hook, telescoping oar

With all interior cushions, no exterior cushions
With Lead Ballast about 150 lbs
With bimini
With Mast crutch and winch
With 5 gal gas
With one Anchor

Without any water on board

Without  motor

Without pop top enclosure
Without head or portapotti


Attached to vehicle = 3620 (on 3500 lb axle)

On Trailer detached  = 3960

Tongue = 340 (boat was 8 or 9 inches back from full forward position)


Trailer = 920 lbs with spare tire tire
Single Axle 1989 mfg by J.Q. Tex, Mishawaka IN
but it looks and acts like a Triad


1989 Rhodes22 Boat alone as weighed
3960 -920 =3040 lbs

Patrick

On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 3:10?AM Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hooked up to the truck which was off the scale, the scale weight on the
> single trailer axle was 700 lbs
>
> On December 6, 2024 at 2:38:34?AM, Boris Hayete (boris at borisland.com)
> wrote:
>
> Ah yes, I've seen that post - and thanks for sending this link. This is
> br/>why I'm saying I've seen a wild variability in weight estimaates.  This
> br/>post claims - possibly incorrectly - that their Rhodes *alone* clocks
> in br/>at 3700lbs, when any page remotely relaated to General Boats has
> much br/>lower numbers (Sailboat Data has 22000!), and what I've seen
> posted by a br/>few folks seems to be beetween 3500 and 4500 with trailer
> (with the boat br/>heavily loaded)..  One gentleman whose boat I looked at
> in person told me br/>whhen he towed it during covid (he never sailed it),
> the trailer and the
> boat clocked in at 3500 exactly when he took them to the weight station,
> br/>but the trailer was not Triad.  This is why I'm asking for peoples'
> br/>measured weights from first hand experience. <
>
> Boris
>
>
> On 12/5/24 16:45, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> > Well, that link doesn't seem to work. To find the page, go to the main
> reference page:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-pages.html
> >
> > Then go to the section for 'Towing' under the letter 'T'.
> >
> > The Topic is 'Rhodes 22 Tow Weight'.
> >
> > --Peter
> >
> > [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >
>

From boris at borisland.com  Fri Dec  6 09:05:37 2024
From: boris at borisland.com (boris at borisland.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 09:05:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAJGJx+DbGB0nmY=CoXNs7A8hm9ADK12A=XH6fiQh5QFGgC270g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1tJJfE-0000000EoUS-0wH7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
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Thanks, Patrick, this is helpful!  How is your Rhodes configured?  Does it have an in-mast furler and a marine head?  Any other heavy items on board?  I am amazed that there?s a 1000lb variability for boat weight minus the trailer among the list members here.

Boris


> On Dec 6, 2024, at 8:00?AM, PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here is what I posted in 2016 (not recently):
> 
> I recently weighed my boat & trailer, then weighed the trailer without the
> boat
> 
> With 2 batteries & charger
> 
> With some tools and jackets, not much else
> 
> With several fenders, boat hook, telescoping oar
> 
> With all interior cushions, no exterior cushions
> With Lead Ballast about 150 lbs
> With bimini
> With Mast crutch and winch
> With 5 gal gas
> With one Anchor
> 
> Without any water on board
> 
> Without  motor
> 
> Without pop top enclosure
> Without head or portapotti
> 
> 
> Attached to vehicle = 3620 (on 3500 lb axle)
> 
> On Trailer detached  = 3960
> 
> Tongue = 340 (boat was 8 or 9 inches back from full forward position)
> 
> 
> Trailer = 920 lbs with spare tire tire
> Single Axle 1989 mfg by J.Q. Tex, Mishawaka IN
> but it looks and acts like a Triad
> 
> 
> 1989 Rhodes22 Boat alone as weighed
> 3960 -920 =3040 lbs
> 
> Patrick
> 
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 3:10?AM Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hooked up to the truck which was off the scale, the scale weight on the
>> single trailer axle was 700 lbs
>> 
>> On December 6, 2024 at 2:38:34?AM, Boris Hayete (boris at borisland.com)
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah yes, I've seen that post - and thanks for sending this link. This is
>> br/>why I'm saying I've seen a wild variability in weight estimaates.  This
>> br/>post claims - possibly incorrectly - that their Rhodes *alone* clocks
>> in br/>at 3700lbs, when any page remotely relaated to General Boats has
>> much br/>lower numbers (Sailboat Data has 22000!), and what I've seen
>> posted by a br/>few folks seems to be beetween 3500 and 4500 with trailer
>> (with the boat br/>heavily loaded)..  One gentleman whose boat I looked at
>> in person told me br/>whhen he towed it during covid (he never sailed it),
>> the trailer and the
>> boat clocked in at 3500 exactly when he took them to the weight station,
>> br/>but the trailer was not Triad.  This is why I'm asking for peoples'
>> br/>measured weights from first hand experience. <
>> 
>> Boris
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/5/24 16:45, Peter Nyberg wrote:
>>> Well, that link doesn't seem to work. To find the page, go to the main
>> reference page:
>>> 
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-pages.html
>>> 
>>> Then go to the section for 'Towing' under the letter 'T'.
>>> 
>>> The Topic is 'Rhodes 22 Tow Weight'.
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>>> 
>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>> 
>> 


From boris at borisland.com  Fri Dec  6 09:06:24 2024
From: boris at borisland.com (boris at borisland.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 09:06:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAC2E0BE-6E53-48A5-9B03-1BAFD2A7054D@borisland.com>
References: <E1tJJfE-0000000EoUS-0wH7@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
 <e7026eff-b17f-4675-9450-9ffe1b929dc4@borisland.com>
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Never mind, you do mention the (absence of) the head.  I?m even more amazed

> On Dec 6, 2024, at 9:05?AM, boris at borisland.com wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Patrick, this is helpful!  How is your Rhodes configured?  Does it have an in-mast furler and a marine head?  Any other heavy items on board?  I am amazed that there?s a 1000lb variability for boat weight minus the trailer among the list members here.
> 
> Boris
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2024, at 8:00?AM, PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Here is what I posted in 2016 (not recently):
>> 
>> I recently weighed my boat & trailer, then weighed the trailer without the
>> boat
>> 
>> With 2 batteries & charger
>> 
>> With some tools and jackets, not much else
>> 
>> With several fenders, boat hook, telescoping oar
>> 
>> With all interior cushions, no exterior cushions
>> With Lead Ballast about 150 lbs
>> With bimini
>> With Mast crutch and winch
>> With 5 gal gas
>> With one Anchor
>> 
>> Without any water on board
>> 
>> Without  motor
>> 
>> Without pop top enclosure
>> Without head or portapotti
>> 
>> 
>> Attached to vehicle = 3620 (on 3500 lb axle)
>> 
>> On Trailer detached  = 3960
>> 
>> Tongue = 340 (boat was 8 or 9 inches back from full forward position)
>> 
>> 
>> Trailer = 920 lbs with spare tire tire
>> Single Axle 1989 mfg by J.Q. Tex, Mishawaka IN
>> but it looks and acts like a Triad
>> 
>> 
>> 1989 Rhodes22 Boat alone as weighed
>> 3960 -920 =3040 lbs
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 3:10?AM Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hooked up to the truck which was off the scale, the scale weight on the
>>> single trailer axle was 700 lbs
>>> 
>>> On December 6, 2024 at 2:38:34?AM, Boris Hayete (boris at borisland.com)
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah yes, I've seen that post - and thanks for sending this link. This is
>>> br/>why I'm saying I've seen a wild variability in weight estimaates.  This
>>> br/>post claims - possibly incorrectly - that their Rhodes *alone* clocks
>>> in br/>at 3700lbs, when any page remotely relaated to General Boats has
>>> much br/>lower numbers (Sailboat Data has 22000!), and what I've seen
>>> posted by a br/>few folks seems to be beetween 3500 and 4500 with trailer
>>> (with the boat br/>heavily loaded)..  One gentleman whose boat I looked at
>>> in person told me br/>whhen he towed it during covid (he never sailed it),
>>> the trailer and the
>>> boat clocked in at 3500 exactly when he took them to the weight station,
>>> br/>but the trailer was not Triad.  This is why I'm asking for peoples'
>>> br/>measured weights from first hand experience. <
>>> 
>>> Boris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/5/24 16:45, Peter Nyberg wrote:
>>>> Well, that link doesn't seem to work. To find the page, go to the main
>>> reference page:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/reference-pages.html
>>>> 
>>>> Then go to the section for 'Towing' under the letter 'T'.
>>>> 
>>>> The Topic is 'Rhodes 22 Tow Weight'.
>>>> 
>>>> --Peter
>>>> 
>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>> 
>>> 
> 


From davidmberg at mac.com  Fri Dec  6 17:49:17 2024
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 16:49:17 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <A1D546CC-38EF-4412-8ED1-6BD769D31364@borisland.com>
References: <A1D546CC-38EF-4412-8ED1-6BD769D31364@borisland.com>
Message-ID: <1ce801db4831$157a5e20$406f1a60$@mac.com>

Blue Loon
1996/2003 R22 on single axle Triad trailer 3880lbs

No gas motor/or fuel
170 genoa with Flexible Furler
GBI in-mast furling
Electric Motor (Minnkota 80)
2 batteries
Porcelain head
All cushions
No water
No Bimini on board
Life jackets and fenders
Misc tools and hardware

I pull it with a 2022 Telluride which seems adequate although perhaps not ideal. I think the Telluride is rated for 5500 lbs with the towing package.

David Berg

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of boris at borisland.com
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:53 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer

Asking the hive mind for advice:

I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad trailer.  I?ve seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly wild range for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that the 1970s boats are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast furling and use balsa core rather than marine foam - but the one in question has been refurbished with a marine head installation, so it?s not the original-spec.  Further, Triad trailers can be two-axle and one-axle, and this one is one-axle.  
Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle triad trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer total weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so this is an important question for me.

Boris



From jpd9668 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  6 18:18:21 2024
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2024 18:18:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Optimum Motor for R22?
Message-ID: <6753864d.170a0220.a19f3.ccdd@mx.google.com>

Tom,You certainly should have a long shaft auxiliary. I had a Suzuki 9.9 w/remote controls and power thrust 4 blade prop. I sailed on the lower Chesapeake where seas could get to 5 feet pretty quick. Fortunately I never had to test 5 feet, but I spent plenty of time in 2-3 ft. My configuration may have been a little hefty, but when I needed power, I had it. I can't imagine a 6 being enough when the stuff is hitting the fan, 8hp may be adequate but some is good, more is better! I liked the Suzuki because it is fuel injected and got excellent fuel consumption and reliability Two things: use only corn free fuel and fresh water flush after each use.Joe DempseyM/V Voyager1968 Trojan 42' MYEx- S/V Respite1989/2005 Rhodes 22Deltaville, VAExSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone

From boris at borisland.com  Fri Dec  6 18:19:24 2024
From: boris at borisland.com (Boris Hayete)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 18:19:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <1ce801db4831$157a5e20$406f1a60$@mac.com>
References: <1ce801db4831$157a5e20$406f1a60$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C400862B-86B0-4B94-B4DB-CD2C03C0C02F@borisland.com>

Thank you!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2024, at 5:49?PM, DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Blue Loon
> 1996/2003 R22 on single axle Triad trailer 3880lbs
> 
> No gas motor/or fuel
> 170 genoa with Flexible Furler
> GBI in-mast furling
> Electric Motor (Minnkota 80)
> 2 batteries
> Porcelain head
> All cushions
> No water
> No Bimini on board
> Life jackets and fenders
> Misc tools and hardware
> 
> I pull it with a 2022 Telluride which seems adequate although perhaps not ideal. I think the Telluride is rated for 5500 lbs with the towing package.
> 
> David Berg
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of boris at borisland.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:53 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
> 
> Asking the hive mind for advice:
> 
> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad trailer.  I?ve seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly wild range for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that the 1970s boats are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast furling and use balsa core rather than marine foam - but the one in question has been refurbished with a marine head installation, so it?s not the original-spec.  Further, Triad trailers can be two-axle and one-axle, and this one is one-axle.  
> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle triad trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer total weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so this is an important question for me.
> 
> Boris
> 
> 

From tedlesiecki at gmail.com  Sat Dec  7 17:21:48 2024
From: tedlesiecki at gmail.com (tedlesiecki at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 16:21:48 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Charleston, South Carolina
Message-ID: <D6446197-FF7A-4781-B198-C15556979C87@gmail.com>

I?m thinking about keeping a Rhodes in Charleston. Does anyone know anything about the sailing scene there, marinas and boat storage?

Ted 
Sent from my iPhone

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 09:22:19 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 09:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <1ce801db4831$157a5e20$406f1a60$@mac.com>
References: <A1D546CC-38EF-4412-8ED1-6BD769D31364@borisland.com>
 <1ce801db4831$157a5e20$406f1a60$@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CABvjUT1qbfZWY4Kqi4DNz_ZWJjCsxCa-0cwBuTxXDkHzpXPkuw@mail.gmail.com>

My boat is awful old and I dont know the exact date but no rhodes with a
single axle is over that 3999lb mark, the city i registered in registered
my tailer as "at max capacity" and suggested i get a second axle, when
pulling with the truck its about 3000ish lb, but with -10lb of tongue so
its super uncomfortable to ride.. ive heard that this is similar with other
rhodes, very poorly placed trailer bungs with relationship to the axle.

tldr, it might not be just the legal/rated trailer axle capacity but the
tongue weight. Im planning next season to cut off and re-weld on a second
axle and move the original one to better distribute the weight so
we're not bouncing
down the highway! <https://youtu.be/Te7hYLD791I>

On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 7:38?AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Blue Loon
> 1996/2003 R22 on single axle Triad trailer 3880lbs
>
> No gas motor/or fuel
> 170 genoa with Flexible Furler
> GBI in-mast furling
> Electric Motor (Minnkota 80)
> 2 batteries
> Porcelain head
> All cushions
> No water
> No Bimini on board
> Life jackets and fenders
> Misc tools and hardware
>
> I pull it with a 2022 Telluride which seems adequate although perhaps not
> ideal. I think the Telluride is rated for 5500 lbs with the towing package.
>
> David Berg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> boris at borisland.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:53 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
>
> Asking the hive mind for advice:
>
> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad trailer.
> I?ve seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly
> wild range for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that
> the 1970s boats are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast
> furling and use balsa core rather than marine foam - but the one in
> question has been refurbished with a marine head installation, so it?s not
> the original-spec.  Further, Triad trailers can be two-axle and one-axle,
> and this one is one-axle.
> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle
> triad trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer
> total weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so
> this is an important question for me.
>
> Boris
>
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Dec 12 21:10:06 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <CABvjUT1qbfZWY4Kqi4DNz_ZWJjCsxCa-0cwBuTxXDkHzpXPkuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABvjUT1qbfZWY4Kqi4DNz_ZWJjCsxCa-0cwBuTxXDkHzpXPkuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B08B5060-F452-40F3-9A02-34F6D7858E3B@gmail.com>

Hey David, I assume the ?10 pound tongue weight ? is a typo. I have towed my single axle triad over 12,000 miles Atlantic to pacific and Canada to Mexico several times each. I kept my tongue weight at around 400 lbs. I never had a problem the whole time. Just say?n. 
Chris Geankoplis 
Xenos
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2024, at 7:58?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My boat is awful old and I dont know the exact date but no rhodes with a
> single axle is over that 3999lb mark, the city i registered in registered
> my tailer as "at max capacity" and suggested i get a second axle, when
> pulling with the truck its about 3000ish lb, but with -10lb of tongue so
> its super uncomfortable to ride.. ive heard that this is similar with other
> rhodes, very poorly placed trailer bungs with relationship to the axle.
> 
> tldr, it might not be just the legal/rated trailer axle capacity but the
> tongue weight. Im planning next season to cut off and re-weld on a second
> axle and move the original one to better distribute the weight so
> we're not bouncing
> down the highway! <https://youtu.be/Te7hYLD791I>
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 7:38?AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Blue Loon
>> 1996/2003 R22 on single axle Triad trailer 3880lbs
>> 
>> No gas motor/or fuel
>> 170 genoa with Flexible Furler
>> GBI in-mast furling
>> Electric Motor (Minnkota 80)
>> 2 batteries
>> Porcelain head
>> All cushions
>> No water
>> No Bimini on board
>> Life jackets and fenders
>> Misc tools and hardware
>> 
>> I pull it with a 2022 Telluride which seems adequate although perhaps not
>> ideal. I think the Telluride is rated for 5500 lbs with the towing package.
>> 
>> David Berg
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> boris at borisland.com
>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:53 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
>> 
>> Asking the hive mind for advice:
>> 
>> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad trailer.
>> I?ve seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly
>> wild range for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that
>> the 1970s boats are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast
>> furling and use balsa core rather than marine foam - but the one in
>> question has been refurbished with a marine head installation, so it?s not
>> the original-spec.  Further, Triad trailers can be two-axle and one-axle,
>> and this one is one-axle.
>> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle
>> triad trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer
>> total weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so
>> this is an important question for me.
>> 
>> Boris
>> 
>> 
>> 

From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri Dec 13 07:40:29 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 07:40:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <B08B5060-F452-40F3-9A02-34F6D7858E3B@gmail.com>
References: <B08B5060-F452-40F3-9A02-34F6D7858E3B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29D5022A-323E-494A-BBD1-40A1D204BC5D@verizon.net>

I agree with Chris, I?ve heard 12% tongue weight. I think that is a minimum and prefer a bit more. 300-400lbs and you won?t get any high speed weaving.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 12, 2024, at 9:10?PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?Hey David, I assume the ?10 pound tongue weight ? is a typo. I have towed my single axle triad over 12,000 miles Atlantic to pacific and Canada to Mexico several times each. I kept my tongue weight at around 400 lbs. I never had a problem the whole time. Just say?n.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2024, at 7:58?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?My boat is awful old and I dont know the exact date but no rhodes with a
>> single axle is over that 3999lb mark, the city i registered in registered
>> my tailer as "at max capacity" and suggested i get a second axle, when
>> pulling with the truck its about 3000ish lb, but with -10lb of tongue so
>> its super uncomfortable to ride.. ive heard that this is similar with other
>> rhodes, very poorly placed trailer bungs with relationship to the axle.
>> 
>> tldr, it might not be just the legal/rated trailer axle capacity but the
>> tongue weight. Im planning next season to cut off and re-weld on a second
>> axle and move the original one to better distribute the weight so
>> we're not bouncing
>> down the highway! <https://youtu.be/Te7hYLD791I>
>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 7:38?AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> Blue Loon
>>> 1996/2003 R22 on single axle Triad trailer 3880lbs
>>> No gas motor/or fuel
>>> 170 genoa with Flexible Furler
>>> GBI in-mast furling
>>> Electric Motor (Minnkota 80)
>>> 2 batteries
>>> Porcelain head
>>> All cushions
>>> No water
>>> No Bimini on board
>>> Life jackets and fenders
>>> Misc tools and hardware
>>> I pull it with a 2022 Telluride which seems adequate although perhaps not
>>> ideal. I think the Telluride is rated for 5500 lbs with the towing package.
>>> David Berg
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> boris at borisland.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:53 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
>>> Asking the hive mind for advice:
>>> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad trailer.
>>> I?ve seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly
>>> wild range for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that
>>> the 1970s boats are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast
>>> furling and use balsa core rather than marine foam - but the one in
>>> question has been refurbished with a marine head installation, so it?s not
>>> the original-spec.  Further, Triad trailers can be two-axle and one-axle,
>>> and this one is one-axle.
>>> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle
>>> triad trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer
>>> total weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so
>>> this is an important question for me.
>>> Boris


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Dec 13 08:21:20 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 08:21:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <29D5022A-323E-494A-BBD1-40A1D204BC5D@verizon.net>
References: <29D5022A-323E-494A-BBD1-40A1D204BC5D@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <73A69EDD-F60A-4736-800E-DDCE653A1493@stottarchitecture.com>

Placement on the trailer is critical. 
The ramp angle matters too with respect to where the bow fits into the bow ?stop? when you load the boat. My ramp is fairly steep. When I load the boat I have to keep the bow almost as far forward as it goes.  Once the boat is out of the water, I have to release the cable on the winch because it bends the front of the trailer and I can?t slide the rogue extension all the way back. 
Experimenting with the boat position might be easier than cutting and welding.  
Ric
Dadventure
HBNY 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 13, 2024, at 7:40?AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I agree with Chris, I?ve heard 12% tongue weight. I think that is a minimum and prefer a bit more. 300-400lbs and you won?t get any high speed weaving.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2024, at 9:10?PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ?Hey David, I assume the ?10 pound tongue weight ? is a typo. I have towed my single axle triad over 12,000 miles Atlantic to pacific and Canada to Mexico several times each. I kept my tongue weight at around 400 lbs. I never had a problem the whole time. Just say?n.
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> Xenos
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 10, 2024, at 7:58?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?My boat is awful old and I dont know the exact date but no rhodes with a
>>> single axle is over that 3999lb mark, the city i registered in registered
>>> my tailer as "at max capacity" and suggested i get a second axle, when
>>> pulling with the truck its about 3000ish lb, but with -10lb of tongue so
>>> its super uncomfortable to ride.. ive heard that this is similar with other
>>> rhodes, very poorly placed trailer bungs with relationship to the axle.
>>> 
>>> tldr, it might not be just the legal/rated trailer axle capacity but the
>>> tongue weight. Im planning next season to cut off and re-weld on a second
>>> axle and move the original one to better distribute the weight so
>>> we're not bouncing
>>> down the highway! <https://youtu.be/Te7hYLD791I>
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 7:38?AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> Blue Loon
>>>> 1996/2003 R22 on single axle Triad trailer 3880lbs
>>>> No gas motor/or fuel
>>>> 170 genoa with Flexible Furler
>>>> GBI in-mast furling
>>>> Electric Motor (Minnkota 80)
>>>> 2 batteries
>>>> Porcelain head
>>>> All cushions
>>>> No water
>>>> No Bimini on board
>>>> Life jackets and fenders
>>>> Misc tools and hardware
>>>> I pull it with a 2022 Telluride which seems adequate although perhaps not
>>>> ideal. I think the Telluride is rated for 5500 lbs with the towing package.
>>>> David Berg
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> boris at borisland.com
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:53 PM
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
>>>> Asking the hive mind for advice:
>>>> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad trailer.
>>>> I?ve seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a similarly
>>>> wild range for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is that
>>>> the 1970s boats are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast
>>>> furling and use balsa core rather than marine foam - but the one in
>>>> question has been refurbished with a marine head installation, so it?s not
>>>> the original-spec.  Further, Triad trailers can be two-axle and one-axle,
>>>> and this one is one-axle.
>>>> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle
>>>> triad trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and trailer
>>>> total weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500, so
>>>> this is an important question for me.
>>>> Boris
> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Dec 13 08:39:29 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 08:39:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
Message-ID: <E1tM5tB-00000007X7w-20n5@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

A tip I picked up way back in the archives somewhere: after initially pulling the boat all the way up to the 'stop', pull the tow vehicle forward a couple of feet and then pull the boat forward on the trailer again. Repeat two or three times.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]

> On 2024-12-13, at 08:21:20 EST, Ric Stott wrote:
>
> Placement on the trailer is critical.
> The ramp angle matters too with respect to where the bow fits into the bow 
> ?stop? when you load the boat. My ramp is fairly steep. When I load the boat I 
> have to keep the bow almost as far forward as it goes.  Once the boat is out of 
> the water, I have to release the cable on the winch because it bends the front 
> of the trailer and I can?t slide the rogue extension all the way back. 
> Experimenting with the boat position might be easier than cutting and welding. 
> Ric 
> Dadventure
> HBNY
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 



From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 16 12:22:56 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:22:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <73A69EDD-F60A-4736-800E-DDCE653A1493@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <29D5022A-323E-494A-BBD1-40A1D204BC5D@verizon.net>
 <73A69EDD-F60A-4736-800E-DDCE653A1493@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CABvjUT2+DjPKGTcDk2aMjjj+g3trrVWs9FXJ6Spcuu7U-13NBA@mail.gmail.com>

Haha no the -10lb is what its at, but dont worry we're moving the axle to
get the load back to about 300lb, at the moment every other bump lifts the
truck up by the hitch (very unsafe)

I dont know exactly who made my trailer but its of exceptionally poor
quality.

On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 8:21?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> Placement on the trailer is critical.
> The ramp angle matters too with respect to where the bow fits into the bow
> ?stop? when you load the boat. My ramp is fairly steep. When I load the
> boat I have to keep the bow almost as far forward as it goes.  Once the
> boat is out of the water, I have to release the cable on the winch because
> it bends the front of the trailer and I can?t slide the rogue extension all
> the way back.
> Experimenting with the boat position might be easier than cutting and
> welding.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 13, 2024, at 7:40?AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?I agree with Chris, I?ve heard 12% tongue weight. I think that is a
> minimum and prefer a bit more. 300-400lbs and you won?t get any high speed
> weaving.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 12, 2024, at 9:10?PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ?Hey David, I assume the ?10 pound tongue weight ? is a typo. I have
> towed my single axle triad over 12,000 miles Atlantic to pacific and Canada
> to Mexico several times each. I kept my tongue weight at around 400 lbs. I
> never had a problem the whole time. Just say?n.
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> Xenos
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Dec 10, 2024, at 7:58?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?My boat is awful old and I dont know the exact date but no rhodes
> with a
> >>> single axle is over that 3999lb mark, the city i registered in
> registered
> >>> my tailer as "at max capacity" and suggested i get a second axle, when
> >>> pulling with the truck its about 3000ish lb, but with -10lb of tongue
> so
> >>> its super uncomfortable to ride.. ive heard that this is similar with
> other
> >>> rhodes, very poorly placed trailer bungs with relationship to the axle.
> >>>
> >>> tldr, it might not be just the legal/rated trailer axle capacity but
> the
> >>> tongue weight. Im planning next season to cut off and re-weld on a
> second
> >>> axle and move the original one to better distribute the weight so
> >>> we're not bouncing
> >>> down the highway! <https://youtu.be/Te7hYLD791I>
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 7:38?AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>> Blue Loon
> >>>> 1996/2003 R22 on single axle Triad trailer 3880lbs
> >>>> No gas motor/or fuel
> >>>> 170 genoa with Flexible Furler
> >>>> GBI in-mast furling
> >>>> Electric Motor (Minnkota 80)
> >>>> 2 batteries
> >>>> Porcelain head
> >>>> All cushions
> >>>> No water
> >>>> No Bimini on board
> >>>> Life jackets and fenders
> >>>> Misc tools and hardware
> >>>> I pull it with a 2022 Telluride which seems adequate although perhaps
> not
> >>>> ideal. I think the Telluride is rated for 5500 lbs with the towing
> package.
> >>>> David Berg
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >>>> boris at borisland.com
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:53 PM
> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
> >>>> Asking the hive mind for advice:
> >>>> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad
> trailer.
> >>>> I?ve seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a
> similarly
> >>>> wild range for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is
> that
> >>>> the 1970s boats are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast
> >>>> furling and use balsa core rather than marine foam - but the one in
> >>>> question has been refurbished with a marine head installation, so
> it?s not
> >>>> the original-spec.  Further, Triad trailers can be two-axle and
> one-axle,
> >>>> and this one is one-axle.
> >>>> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle
> >>>> triad trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and
> trailer
> >>>> total weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500,
> so
> >>>> this is an important question for me.
> >>>> Boris
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 19:52:33 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 19:52:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
In-Reply-To: <CABvjUT2+DjPKGTcDk2aMjjj+g3trrVWs9FXJ6Spcuu7U-13NBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABvjUT2+DjPKGTcDk2aMjjj+g3trrVWs9FXJ6Spcuu7U-13NBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD6B1EAF-16DB-4CA7-9E86-26C5955A2706@gmail.com>

So the trailer isn?t a triad then. Yup, get that fixed!
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2024, at 7:09?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Haha no the -10lb is what its at, but dont worry we're moving the axle to
> get the load back to about 300lb, at the moment every other bump lifts the
> truck up by the hitch (very unsafe)
> 
> I dont know exactly who made my trailer but its of exceptionally poor
> quality.
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 8:21?AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Placement on the trailer is critical.
>> The ramp angle matters too with respect to where the bow fits into the bow
>> ?stop? when you load the boat. My ramp is fairly steep. When I load the
>> boat I have to keep the bow almost as far forward as it goes.  Once the
>> boat is out of the water, I have to release the cable on the winch because
>> it bends the front of the trailer and I can?t slide the rogue extension all
>> the way back.
>> Experimenting with the boat position might be easier than cutting and
>> welding.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> HBNY
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 13, 2024, at 7:40?AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I agree with Chris, I?ve heard 12% tongue weight. I think that is a
>> minimum and prefer a bit more. 300-400lbs and you won?t get any high speed
>> weaving.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 12, 2024, at 9:10?PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ?Hey David, I assume the ?10 pound tongue weight ? is a typo. I have
>> towed my single axle triad over 12,000 miles Atlantic to pacific and Canada
>> to Mexico several times each. I kept my tongue weight at around 400 lbs. I
>> never had a problem the whole time. Just say?n.
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> Xenos
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 10, 2024, at 7:58?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?My boat is awful old and I dont know the exact date but no rhodes
>> with a
>>>>> single axle is over that 3999lb mark, the city i registered in
>> registered
>>>>> my tailer as "at max capacity" and suggested i get a second axle, when
>>>>> pulling with the truck its about 3000ish lb, but with -10lb of tongue
>> so
>>>>> its super uncomfortable to ride.. ive heard that this is similar with
>> other
>>>>> rhodes, very poorly placed trailer bungs with relationship to the axle.
>>>>> 
>>>>> tldr, it might not be just the legal/rated trailer axle capacity but
>> the
>>>>> tongue weight. Im planning next season to cut off and re-weld on a
>> second
>>>>> axle and move the original one to better distribute the weight so
>>>>> we're not bouncing
>>>>> down the highway! <https://youtu.be/Te7hYLD791I>
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 7:38?AM DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Blue Loon
>>>>>> 1996/2003 R22 on single axle Triad trailer 3880lbs
>>>>>> No gas motor/or fuel
>>>>>> 170 genoa with Flexible Furler
>>>>>> GBI in-mast furling
>>>>>> Electric Motor (Minnkota 80)
>>>>>> 2 batteries
>>>>>> Porcelain head
>>>>>> All cushions
>>>>>> No water
>>>>>> No Bimini on board
>>>>>> Life jackets and fenders
>>>>>> Misc tools and hardware
>>>>>> I pull it with a 2022 Telluride which seems adequate although perhaps
>> not
>>>>>> ideal. I think the Telluride is rated for 5500 lbs with the towing
>> package.
>>>>>> David Berg
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>>>> boris at borisland.com
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2024 2:53 PM
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 weight with trailer
>>>>>> Asking the hive mind for advice:
>>>>>> I?m eyeing a refurbished Rhodes 22 1973 with a single-axle Triad
>> trailer.
>>>>>> I?ve seen a *wild* range of displacement values for Rh22, and a
>> similarly
>>>>>> wild range for trailer weights.  What I know from the manufacturer is
>> that
>>>>>> the 1970s boats are lighter - likely because they don?t have in-mast
>>>>>> furling and use balsa core rather than marine foam - but the one in
>>>>>> question has been refurbished with a marine head installation, so
>> it?s not
>>>>>> the original-spec.  Further, Triad trailers can be two-axle and
>> one-axle,
>>>>>> and this one is one-axle.
>>>>>> Are there any owners here with a 1970s vintage boat and a single axle
>>>>>> triad trailer who can weigh in (pun intended) with their boat and
>> trailer
>>>>>> total weight?  My Sienna isn?t supposed to pull anything above 3500,
>> so
>>>>>> this is an important question for me.
>>>>>> Boris
>>> 
>> 

From 62himis at gmail.com  Mon Dec 23 13:50:21 2024
From: 62himis at gmail.com (Larry W)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 13:50:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wanting to purchase a Pop Top
Message-ID: <CAE=38+un+LghPOuCuF3Jn0qd428JMxkGofNFzVBgJA60L0f4zw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I bought a Rhodes 22 this summer and want to purchase a Pop Top. I was told
Cindy Spitzer posted contact information for purchase of parts. Can someone
pass along this information?

Larry Willis

From cindyspitzer at gmail.com  Mon Dec 23 16:34:59 2024
From: cindyspitzer at gmail.com (Cindy Spitzer)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 16:34:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wanting to purchase a Pop Top
In-Reply-To: <CAE=38+un+LghPOuCuF3Jn0qd428JMxkGofNFzVBgJA60L0f4zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE=38+un+LghPOuCuF3Jn0qd428JMxkGofNFzVBgJA60L0f4zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABbc6O59s1U=pz-HfWhR95QU7TE5x76EpmzYna-yPOUteEbqrg@mail.gmail.com>

Are you looking for a pop top enclosure or the actual poptop?

Cindy Spitzer
443-980-7367

On Mon, Dec 23, 2024, 2:15?PM Larry W <62himis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I bought a Rhodes 22 this summer and want to purchase a Pop Top. I was told
> Cindy Spitzer posted contact information for purchase of parts. Can someone
> pass along this information?
>
> Larry Willis
>

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 28 16:38:43 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 21:38:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
References: <1731243608.6531908.1735421923582.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1731243608.6531908.1735421923582@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,? ?It's a partly sunny, unseasonably warm day in western Pennsylvania, perfect for getting a jump on my winter "to do" list.? Today's task is to start on rudder maintenance.? The wooden spacers look like they haven't been varnished for years.? In fact there was newspaper stuck to the inside surface dated May 6th 2013!? It's unlikely they've been touched since then.? So I figured it would be a good time to strip off the old varnish and give it a refresh.? While talking the whole assembly apart, my eye was drawn to the plastic (starboard?) sides which are looking kinda dull, stained and dirty.As you can see in the attached picture, the two sides are different shades due to the dirt.? My question for the list is:? does anyone know a good way to clean and maintain these?? ?Thanks and happy new year!
Peter?
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Dec 29 20:00:59 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 20:00:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
Message-ID: <E1tS49T-000000007cZ-0GOK@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

I usually start with a pressure washer, but that's easy for me since my boat is at home.  If it is Starboard, it has a surface texture that holds dirt really well.

I have no wood anywhere in my rudder assembly.  Out of curiosity, where are these wooden spacers you speak of?

--Peter


[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]

> On 2024-12-28, at 16:38:43 EST, peter beckerman wrote:
>
> Hello all, It's a partly sunny, unseasonably warm day in western 
> Pennsylvania, perfect for getting a jump on my winter "to do" list.
> Today's task is to start on rudder maintenance. The wooden spacers look 
> like they haven't been varnished for years. In fact there was newspaper 
> stuck to the inside surface dated May 6th 2013! It's unlikely they've been 
> touched since then. So I figured it would be a good time to strip off the 
> old varnish and give it a refresh. While talking the whole assembly apart, 
> my eye was drawn to the plastic (starboard?) sides which are looking kinda dull, 
> stained and dirty. As you can see in the attached picture, the two sides are 
> different shades due to the dirt. My question for the list is: does 
> anyone know a good way to clean and maintain these? Thanks and happy 
> new year! 
> Peter
> 
> <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20241228/b30f6f9a/attachment.jpg" 
> target="_blank">IMG_20241228_140932.jpg</a> 
> 



From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 30 08:11:44 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 08:11:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
In-Reply-To: <E1tS49T-000000007cZ-0GOK@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
References: <E1tS49T-000000007cZ-0GOK@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMO-QxnaW2+cKk+bO-KEhJ5crezOrr4UsrkhWjq=1fktJA@mail.gmail.com>

Peter, on older boats there were wooden spacers between the rudderhead
cheek plates, which were slightly thicker than the thickness of the rudder
blade itself.

Todd T



On Sun, Dec 29, 2024, 8:01 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I usually start with a pressure washer, but that's easy for me since my
> boat is at home.  If it is Starboard, it has a surface texture that holds
> dirt really well.
>
> I have no wood anywhere in my rudder assembly.  Out of curiosity, where
> are these wooden spacers you speak of?
>
> --Peter
>
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
> > On 2024-12-28, at 16:38:43 EST, peter beckerman wrote:
> >
> > Hello all, It's a partly sunny, unseasonably warm day in western
> > Pennsylvania, perfect for getting a jump on my winter "to do" list.
> > Today's task is to start on rudder maintenance. The wooden spacers look
> > like they haven't been varnished for years. In fact there was newspaper
> > stuck to the inside surface dated May 6th 2013! It's unlikely they've
> been
> > touched since then. So I figured it would be a good time to strip off
> the
> > old varnish and give it a refresh. While talking the whole assembly
> apart,
> > my eye was drawn to the plastic (starboard?) sides which are looking
> kinda dull,
> > stained and dirty. As you can see in the attached picture, the two sides
> are
> > different shades due to the dirt. My question for the list is: does
> > anyone know a good way to clean and maintain these? Thanks and happy
> > new year!
> > Peter
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20241228/b30f6f9a/attachment.jpg"
>
> > target="_blank">IMG_20241228_140932.jpg</a>
> >
>
>
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Dec 30 08:36:28 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 13:36:28 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMO-QxnaW2+cKk+bO-KEhJ5crezOrr4UsrkhWjq=1fktJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1tS49T-000000007cZ-0GOK@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
 <CAB-twMO-QxnaW2+cKk+bO-KEhJ5crezOrr4UsrkhWjq=1fktJA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Peter,

After a couple of seasons of sanding and varnishing my OEM wooden rudderhead, I finally decided wood was a poor choice of material for the application.  I purchased a block of 1-1/2" thick uv stabilized ultra high molecular weight polyethylene.  I used the old rudder head for a template and cut the new rudder head from the plastic block with a band saw.  Drill a few holes for the various fittings, a little sanding, and viola; a new no maintenance black plastic rudder head!  The 1-1/2" thickness was just perfect for the tiller, the pintels, and the two aluminum plates that serve as the pivot point for the rudder blade and keep it from wobbling.  The rudder head needs no internal structure, it just needs to be the right shape & size & rigid.   I did this project on a Saturday afternoon in 1990.  The only maintenance it's needed since then is a quick wipe down with a damp rag.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI



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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 8:11 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance

Peter, on older boats there were wooden spacers between the rudderhead
cheek plates, which were slightly thicker than the thickness of the rudder
blade itself.

Todd T



On Sun, Dec 29, 2024, 8:01 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I usually start with a pressure washer, but that's easy for me since my
> boat is at home.  If it is Starboard, it has a surface texture that holds
> dirt really well.
>
> I have no wood anywhere in my rudder assembly.  Out of curiosity, where
> are these wooden spacers you speak of?
>
> --Peter
>
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
> > On 2024-12-28, at 16:38:43 EST, peter beckerman wrote:
> >
> > Hello all, It's a partly sunny, unseasonably warm day in western
> > Pennsylvania, perfect for getting a jump on my winter "to do" list.
> > Today's task is to start on rudder maintenance. The wooden spacers look
> > like they haven't been varnished for years. In fact there was newspaper
> > stuck to the inside surface dated May 6th 2013! It's unlikely they've
> been
> > touched since then. So I figured it would be a good time to strip off
> the
> > old varnish and give it a refresh. While talking the whole assembly
> apart,
> > my eye was drawn to the plastic (starboard?) sides which are looking
> kinda dull,
> > stained and dirty. As you can see in the attached picture, the two sides
> are
> > different shades due to the dirt. My question for the list is: does
> > anyone know a good way to clean and maintain these? Thanks and happy
> > new year!
> > Peter
> >
> > <a
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From sea20 at verizon.net  Mon Dec 30 09:42:02 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (sea20 at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 14:42:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bow railing
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Greetings all, I am looking for used bow railing. Preferably?in good condition.?I hope everyone has a safe and happy new year.Scott Andrews

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 30 21:49:50 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 21:49:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
Message-ID: <E1tSSKM-0000000GpUM-3a8V@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Hi Peter,
  Attached is a picture of the tiller/rudder assembly.  There are three wooden blocks sandwiched between the two starboard ends.  Mine look like they haven't been varnished in years.  
   While I can't keep the boat at home, it's easy to throw the rudder in the car and work on it in the off-season.  When we get another temperate day I'll pull out the pressure washer and give 'er a go.

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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 30 22:02:25 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2024 22:02:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
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Hi Roger,
   Sounds like you hit on an ideal solution (no surprise there).  At some point I may follow suit, although I kinda like a little bit of varnished wood here and there in the cockpit, so long as I can maintain it without too much effort.  I'm curious though, you mentioned two aluminum plates for the rudder blade pivot.  I don't have any such plate...and I do have a bit of wobble in the tiller that I'm hoping to correct.  I wonder if you could describe these plates in a bit more detail.  I know that General Boat designs evolved over time so maybe I'm not supposed to have these.  Is anybody else familiar with these plates?  

Thanks,
    Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Dec 31 08:03:02 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:03:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
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Hi Peter,

The attached photo shows the two aluminum plates on my rudder head:

[cid:d8462ca9-7402-4f97-aa68-428cdc395d34]
The plates are just 1/4" thick aluminum.  When you say you have a "bit of a wobble in the tiller", do you mean your rudder blade has some side-to-side play or your tiller has some side-to-side play?  If you meant the rudder blade, you should know there are two 1-1/2" OD X 1/8" thick PTFE teflon spacers in between the rudder blade and the aluminum plates.  These teflon spacers have a clearance hole for the rudder pivot bolt drilled on center.  The spacers allow you to put enough compression on the rudder blade; that, it doesn't have any side-to side play.  But, the spacers keep the sides of the rudder blade from rubbing on the aluminum plates while also providing a low friction bearing surface that enables the rudder blade to kick-up without too much force.  These spacers are not my idea, the boat came with them.  But, without these spacers, I would imagine it would be impossible to adjust the side-to-side wobble out of the rudder blade without also having a rudder blade that was so tight it wouldn't pivot.  Getting those 2 spacers in place when assembling the rudder blade to the rudder head is a bit of a royal PITA.  I can see how some previous owner might have just left them out.

If your "bit of a wobble in the tiller" is actually side-to-side play in the tiller itself, the photo also shows a possible solution for you.  Look at the top front corner of the rudder head.  Note the little piece of white plastic in between the tiller and the rudder head.  Fortunately, the tiller is partially raised to enter my boom room enclosure in this picture because you can't see this piece of white plastic when the rudder is down.  That piece of white plastic is a piece of PTFE teflon about 1-1/2" wide X 6" long X 1/8" thick.  It has been bent into a U shape and secured to the rudder head with round head wood or sheet metal screws.  The plastic acts as a low friction shim in between the tiller bracket and the rudder head.  You want it to be a bit of an interference fit.  My tiller has zero side-to side play.

The devil is in the details!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI



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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2024 10:02 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance

Hi Roger,
   Sounds like you hit on an ideal solution (no surprise there).  At some point I may follow suit, although I kinda like a little bit of varnished wood here and there in the cockpit, so long as I can maintain it without too much effort.  I'm curious though, you mentioned two aluminum plates for the rudder blade pivot.  I don't have any such plate...and I do have a bit of wobble in the tiller that I'm hoping to correct.  I wonder if you could describe these plates in a bit more detail.  I know that General Boat designs evolved over time so maybe I'm not supposed to have these.  Is anybody else familiar with these plates?

Thanks,
    Peter

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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 31 08:52:34 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 08:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
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Peter,

The rudder head has changed since Rogers boat was built. I think it was
either late 1970s or early 1980s.
Attached is a drawing I made some years ago of the two styles.
The aluminum plates are in gray. The shape of the rudderheads was from
memory and not true shape.
I have two of the older style head blanks CNC cut from 1?" KingStarboard
and the aluminum plates, if anyone is interested

Todd T.

On Mon, Dec 30, 2024, 10:02 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>    Sounds like you hit on an ideal solution (no surprise there).  At some
> point I may follow suit, although I kinda like a little bit of varnished
> wood here and there in the cockpit, so long as I can maintain it without
> too much effort.  I'm curious though, you mentioned two aluminum plates for
> the rudder blade pivot.  I don't have any such plate...and I do have a bit
> of wobble in the tiller that I'm hoping to correct.  I wonder if you could
> describe these plates in a bit more detail.  I know that General Boat
> designs evolved over time so maybe I'm not supposed to have these.  Is
> anybody else familiar with these plates?
>
> Thanks,
>     Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
>
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 31 09:18:44 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 09:18:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
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Thanks Todd, that helps clear up a lot.  Do you know if the "new" style assembly originally included the 1/8" thick Teflon spacers at the rudder blade that Roger referenced?  I'm going to need something to eliminate the play.

Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 31 09:55:56 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 09:55:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
Message-ID: <E1tSdf2-0000000EdRY-1rY6@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Hi Roger,
   It seems my earlier response to this message never posted.  The slop in my rudder assembly is at the blade, not the tiller.  There are no Teflon spacers, so perhaps that's my problem.  Once I get my wood refinished and I reassemble I'll have a better idea about how to proceed.

Thanks as always,
    Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 31 13:18:02 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:18:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Winter maintenance
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Peter,

I do not remember if either style had Teflon spacers or not. Roger may have
added them(?). I did not read his full post.
But adding a couple on each would be good advice, especially knowing he has
both Chemical and a Mechanical Engineering degrees. I might have tried
shaving down the wooden spacers a bit too, but you have to make that call.

My first Rhodes 22 had the older style rudder. I still have the wooden head
which I refinished quite a few years ago. It had a check/crack in it, so I
made a pattern in luan plywood along with a measured drawing. I paid a
plastics shop in Norfolk for a partial sheet of 1?" thick KingStarboard.
They cut out 2 copies and sent me the cut-offs, al9n with a drawing in .dwg
format. I never used either but kept them. The newer style rudderhead I
have is starting to show its age and I worry about it cracking, so I may go
back to the old head style.

Here is a pic of my old head. You can see part of the new head in the pic.


Todd T

On Tue, Dec 31, 2024, 9:56 AM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>    It seems my earlier response to this message never posted.  The slop in
> my rudder assembly is at the blade, not the tiller.  There are no Teflon
> spacers, so perhaps that's my problem.  Once I get my wood refinished and I
> reassemble I'll have a better idea about how to proceed.
>
> Thanks as always,
>     Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
>
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