From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  1 22:52:49 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 22:52:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Martha's Vineyard on Friday
Message-ID: <E1sOTdR-0000000DmlC-3AYx@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Hi All,
   I just got back from visiting my brother who is a live-aboard mooring at Martha's Vineyard for a week or so.  I'd just gotten off the ferry and hopped into his dinghy and when I looked around the first thing I saw was a Rhodes 22 motoring out towards the breakwater (my first Rhodes sighting in the wild).  I couldn't make out the name on the side (Murphy?).  We tried to catch up, but we're loaded with 4 people and luggage in an 8 ft inflatable and  we got kinda wet if we went too fast.
    So if you were motoring out of Vineyard Haven harbor last Friday, I'll say "hi" now.  Sorry I missed you.

Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 11:59:33 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 11:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
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Sorry for the delay there, looks like the email list blocks a lot of my
images. I'll try linking them if i want to post more than one.

Rodger, yes. We machined new sockets and pins for the traveler to install
into. Piece of cake

Peter, thanks for that height dimension!

Rodger again thank you! I'll look into the harken set, for the moment i was
able to find a set that will work for now.
<https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/NJPrZBJWHatXgyM>

Rodger again, its a pretty big machine! We do a lot of machining and
fabricating. Heres a few videos of us working on new blocks for the mast.
<https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/zoFgg33qFMdZm7t>

If anyone could measure precisely their spreader length, that would be
super appreciated! Its hard to guess and pick without lifting and rasing
the mast, and i still have no idea how that is done.

Thank you all so much for all your advice! More progress soon to come, the
first wet-test is ticking down :)

On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 7:44?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> So, how big is this CNC machine?  Maximum dimensions of parts that can be
> produced?  hp?  What materials can you work with?  Do you also have the
> tool crib full of cutters, or would we have to supply you with both the
> material and the cutting tools?  When purchasing the cutting tools, what
> taper does your chuck require?  What programming language?  Do you prefer
> your mechanical drawings with dimensions all referenced to a common datum?
>
> Welcome aboard!  I'm perfectly willing to work with you.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978  Sanford, MI
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 10:22 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
>
> I, for one, would be very interested to see examples of how you use the CNC
> to make boat parts.
>
> Graham Stewart
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 7:17 PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh I'm totally fine making parts for people! Especially if it goes both
> > ways~ I really could use some dimensions and specifications so I know
> > like.. what parts to make :3
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, 6:04?PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > He meant everyone might ask you to make something and there?s a bit of
> > > jealousy. It?sa good thing. ?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 6:00?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 5:52?PM Frank Goldsmith <
> > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think Todd was joshing with you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 22, 2024, at 5:34?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why? I don't understand sorry. I'm just trying to be polite and
> > > engage
> > > > > with
> > > > > > other rhodes owners :c this is my first big boat project and I
> > don't
> > > > > wanna
> > > > > > step on toes or do something dangerous
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 8:23?AM Todd Tavares <
> > tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Kenwood,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You know you screwed up right?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You shouldn't have let it us know you have a CNC.  ?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Todd T.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 10:47 AM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Hello all. Just wanted to say, its so sad to hear about stans
> > > > passing.
> > > > > >> I've
> > > > > >>> obviously never met him, but its clear how much of a core
> > > centerpiece
> > > > > he
> > > > > >>> was. He's mentioned in every piece of literature and
> > documentation
> > > > all
> > > > > >> over
> > > > > >>> the internet.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Im in the process of machining several new parts for my boat,
> > > mostly
> > > > > mast
> > > > > >>> fittings, broken parts, etc. But im mostly just copying what
> > > pieces i
> > > > > >> have.
> > > > > >>> My boat didn't come with sheets (for the jib or the main) and
> it
> > > > didn't
> > > > > >>> come with a traveler. I was wondering.. if anyone had
> > > > dimensions/specs
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >>> these pieces? Or perhaps know of an equivalent locking main
> > sheet?
> > > > Ive
> > > > > >>> already purchased and begun assembling a new traveler. Its
> going
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > a
> > > > > >>> roller type with a set of blocks either end. But ive also seen
> > the
> > > > > >> locking
> > > > > >>> pin style.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Thanks so much.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> [image: PXL_20240617_174724313.jpg]
> > > > > >>> [image: PXL_20240617_174522017.jpg]
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 14:45:37 2024
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2024 14:45:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
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Ken,
Ric posted some spreader length above.  My IMF spreader tubes are 35 1/2
just the aluminum part.  Just slightly shorter than his measurements.  All
in the ball park of 35-1/2 to 35-7/8.  Attached photo shows the spreader
tip and the Dwyer part attached to Mast.
Patrick


On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 12:06?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay there, looks like the email list blocks a lot of my
> images. I'll try linking them if i want to post more than one.
>
> Rodger, yes. We machined new sockets and pins for the traveler to install
> into. Piece of cake
>
> Peter, thanks for that height dimension!
>
> Rodger again thank you! I'll look into the harken set, for the moment i was
> able to find a set that will work for now.
> <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/NJPrZBJWHatXgyM>
>
> Rodger again, its a pretty big machine! We do a lot of machining and
> fabricating. Heres a few videos of us working on new blocks for the mast.
> <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/zoFgg33qFMdZm7t>
>
> If anyone could measure precisely their spreader length, that would be
> super appreciated! Its hard to guess and pick without lifting and rasing
> the mast, and i still have no idea how that is done.
>
> Thank you all so much for all your advice! More progress soon to come, the
> first wet-test is ticking down :)
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 7:44?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > So, how big is this CNC machine?  Maximum dimensions of parts that can be
> > produced?  hp?  What materials can you work with?  Do you also have the
> > tool crib full of cutters, or would we have to supply you with both the
> > material and the cutting tools?  When purchasing the cutting tools, what
> > taper does your chuck require?  What programming language?  Do you prefer
> > your mechanical drawings with dimensions all referenced to a common
> datum?
> >
> > Welcome aboard!  I'm perfectly willing to work with you.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978  Sanford, MI
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 10:22 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
> >
> > I, for one, would be very interested to see examples of how you use the
> CNC
> > to make boat parts.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 7:17 PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Oh I'm totally fine making parts for people! Especially if it goes both
> > > ways~ I really could use some dimensions and specifications so I know
> > > like.. what parts to make :3
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, 6:04?PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > He meant everyone might ask you to make something and there?s a bit
> of
> > > > jealousy. It?sa good thing. ?
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 6:00?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 5:52?PM Frank Goldsmith <
> > > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think Todd was joshing with you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frank
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2024, at 5:34?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why? I don't understand sorry. I'm just trying to be polite and
> > > > engage
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > other rhodes owners :c this is my first big boat project and I
> > > don't
> > > > > > wanna
> > > > > > > step on toes or do something dangerous
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 8:23?AM Todd Tavares <
> > > tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Kenwood,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> You know you screwed up right?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> You shouldn't have let it us know you have a CNC.  ?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Todd T.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 10:47 AM Kenwood _ <
> kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Hello all. Just wanted to say, its so sad to hear about stans
> > > > > passing.
> > > > > > >> I've
> > > > > > >>> obviously never met him, but its clear how much of a core
> > > > centerpiece
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > >>> was. He's mentioned in every piece of literature and
> > > documentation
> > > > > all
> > > > > > >> over
> > > > > > >>> the internet.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Im in the process of machining several new parts for my boat,
> > > > mostly
> > > > > > mast
> > > > > > >>> fittings, broken parts, etc. But im mostly just copying what
> > > > pieces i
> > > > > > >> have.
> > > > > > >>> My boat didn't come with sheets (for the jib or the main) and
> > it
> > > > > didn't
> > > > > > >>> come with a traveler. I was wondering.. if anyone had
> > > > > dimensions/specs
> > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > >>> these pieces? Or perhaps know of an equivalent locking main
> > > sheet?
> > > > > Ive
> > > > > > >>> already purchased and begun assembling a new traveler. Its
> > going
> > > to
> > > > > be
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > >>> roller type with a set of blocks either end. But ive also
> seen
> > > the
> > > > > > >> locking
> > > > > > >>> pin style.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Thanks so much.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> [image: PXL_20240617_174724313.jpg]
> > > > > > >>> [image: PXL_20240617_174522017.jpg]
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> > >
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  4 23:29:48 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2024 23:29:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My mast is bent
Message-ID: <E1sPZds-0000000FiJB-0AAN@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

When I bought this boat a bit over a year ago, I didn't realize that the base of the IMF mast was bent.  Sailing last year I was aware that the pop top slider was binding, but I didn't give it too much (enough) thought.  I was looking into it today and realized that the back of the port side mast got pushed in somewhere along the way (see photos).
I'm not worried about sailing as is, but I'd like to get it set back enough to minimize the binding of the sliders.  Anyone (Roger) have any insights into how to nudge this back a bit?

Thanks,
    Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Jul  4 23:51:11 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 03:51:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My mast is bent
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Hi Peter,

It?s a little hard to tell from the photos.  But, with the mast unstepped, it looks like the lips could be bent back with a pair of pliers.  You might have to file a bit off the bottom in order to clear the screw heads on the mast tabernacle.  Is anything binding with the mainsail ?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 4, 2024, at 11:30?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?When I bought this boat a bit over a year ago, I didn't realize that the base of the IMF mast was bent.  Sailing last year I was aware that the pop top slider was binding, but I didn't give it too much (enough) thought.  I was looking into it today and realized that the back of the port side mast got pushed in somewhere along the way (see photos).
> I'm not worried about sailing as is, but I'd like to get it set back enough to minimize the binding of the sliders.  Anyone (Roger) have any insights into how to nudge this back a bit?
>
> Thanks,
>    Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  5 10:30:10 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2024 10:30:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My mast is bent
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Thanks for your thoughts Roger.  The mainsail furler seems to work fine.  The slider only binds up in the bottom 18 to 24 inches of the mast.  I usually don't leave the pop top attached to the slider because of this, and it makes it tough to drop the boom to the lower position (I've never tried furling with the boom in "1st reef" position... It might bind).
I think I'll try some gentle love with a pair of pliers and see if I can persuade the mast to return to shape, or close to.

Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jul  5 10:53:03 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 14:53:03 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My mast is bent
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Hi Peter,

You can either purchase or a rent a tool for removing/installing external snap rings.  You want the style with a jack screw.  Place the jaws into the slot and jack the lips apart.  Look for this tool in an auto parts store or a hardware store.  This tool would allow you to apply gentle but powerful force right where you want it.  You don?t really want to pry the lips up like pliers would do.  You want to get in between the lips and pry them apart laterally.  Forcing some sort of wedge in between the lips might also accomplish what you want to do.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
1978. Sanford, MI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 5, 2024, at 10:30?AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for your thoughts Roger.  The mainsail furler seems to work fine.  The slider only binds up in the bottom 18 to 24 inches of the mast.  I usually don't leave the pop top attached to the slider because of this, and it makes it tough to drop the boom to the lower position (I've never tried furling with the boom in "1st reef" position... It might bind).
> I think I'll try some gentle love with a pair of pliers and see if I can persuade the mast to return to shape, or close to.
> 
> Peter
> 
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> 

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  5 11:14:12 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2024 11:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My mast is bent
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Thanks Roger,
   I will look for one of those tools 

Peter

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 13:58:29 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 13:58:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My mast is bent
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Hey all! We just ran into this same problem launching my boat for the first
time in 30 years! As a temporary fix we machined a plate
<https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/Bgj6a2GwPFHb2te> and
replaced those inappropriate round top screws with flush ones countersunk
into aluminum. It worked good, but we're planning on CNCing a whole new
roller on the bottom of the mast to keep it from breaking like that. I'll
add some pics of the temporary fix and attach CAD files for the roller
later!



On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 11:32?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> You can either purchase or a rent a tool for removing/installing external
> snap rings.  You want the style with a jack screw.  Place the jaws into the
> slot and jack the lips apart.  Look for this tool in an auto parts store or
> a hardware store.  This tool would allow you to apply gentle but powerful
> force right where you want it.  You don?t really want to pry the lips up
> like pliers would do.  You want to get in between the lips and pry them
> apart laterally.  Forcing some sort of wedge in between the lips might also
> accomplish what you want to do.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 5, 2024, at 10:30?AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Thanks for your thoughts Roger.  The mainsail furler seems to work
> fine.  The slider only binds up in the bottom 18 to 24 inches of the mast.
> I usually don't leave the pop top attached to the slider because of this,
> and it makes it tough to drop the boom to the lower position (I've never
> tried furling with the boom in "1st reef" position... It might bind).
> > I think I'll try some gentle love with a pair of pliers and see if I can
> persuade the mast to return to shape, or close to.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >
>

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 14:03:36 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 14:03:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
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We did it! We machined new spreaders (both ends) from aluminum and made a
custom travler bar from a giant chunk of stainless steel (our local
steelyard likes us a lot :3) it went super good and we sailed it for the
first time in 30 years! Heres a pic
<https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/H2Ddbr7Y8e8Ziyd> or two
<https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/FSzMWnbnZtALtCm>!

Lots more work to do! and many tools and parts to make, we weren't overall
happy with our mast raising system. We never could figure out the OEM one
so we took a hacksaw to it and turned it into a crude ginpole
<https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/N6KbgPiGtxST82c>, i still
dont think it works right....


On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 4:01?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ken,
> Ric posted some spreader length above.  My IMF spreader tubes are 35 1/2
> just the aluminum part.  Just slightly shorter than his measurements.  All
> in the ball park of 35-1/2 to 35-7/8.  Attached photo shows the spreader
> tip and the Dwyer part attached to Mast.
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 12:06?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry for the delay there, looks like the email list blocks a lot of my
> > images. I'll try linking them if i want to post more than one.
> >
> > Rodger, yes. We machined new sockets and pins for the traveler to install
> > into. Piece of cake
> >
> > Peter, thanks for that height dimension!
> >
> > Rodger again thank you! I'll look into the harken set, for the moment i
> was
> > able to find a set that will work for now.
> > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/NJPrZBJWHatXgyM>
> >
> > Rodger again, its a pretty big machine! We do a lot of machining and
> > fabricating. Heres a few videos of us working on new blocks for the mast.
> > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/zoFgg33qFMdZm7t>
> >
> > If anyone could measure precisely their spreader length, that would be
> > super appreciated! Its hard to guess and pick without lifting and rasing
> > the mast, and i still have no idea how that is done.
> >
> > Thank you all so much for all your advice! More progress soon to come,
> the
> > first wet-test is ticking down :)
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 7:44?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > So, how big is this CNC machine?  Maximum dimensions of parts that can
> be
> > > produced?  hp?  What materials can you work with?  Do you also have the
> > > tool crib full of cutters, or would we have to supply you with both the
> > > material and the cutting tools?  When purchasing the cutting tools,
> what
> > > taper does your chuck require?  What programming language?  Do you
> prefer
> > > your mechanical drawings with dimensions all referenced to a common
> > datum?
> > >
> > > Welcome aboard!  I'm perfectly willing to work with you.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > 1978  Sanford, MI
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > > Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 10:22 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
> > >
> > > I, for one, would be very interested to see examples of how you use the
> > CNC
> > > to make boat parts.
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 7:17 PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh I'm totally fine making parts for people! Especially if it goes
> both
> > > > ways~ I really could use some dimensions and specifications so I know
> > > > like.. what parts to make :3
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, 6:04?PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > He meant everyone might ask you to make something and there?s a bit
> > of
> > > > > jealousy. It?sa good thing. ?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 6:00?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 5:52?PM Frank Goldsmith <
> > > > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think Todd was joshing with you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Frank
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2024, at 5:34?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why? I don't understand sorry. I'm just trying to be polite
> and
> > > > > engage
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > other rhodes owners :c this is my first big boat project and
> I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > > wanna
> > > > > > > > step on toes or do something dangerous
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 8:23?AM Todd Tavares <
> > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Kenwood,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> You know you screwed up right?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> You shouldn't have let it us know you have a CNC.  ?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Todd T.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 10:47 AM Kenwood _ <
> > kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> Hello all. Just wanted to say, its so sad to hear about
> stans
> > > > > > passing.
> > > > > > > >> I've
> > > > > > > >>> obviously never met him, but its clear how much of a core
> > > > > centerpiece
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > >>> was. He's mentioned in every piece of literature and
> > > > documentation
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > >> over
> > > > > > > >>> the internet.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Im in the process of machining several new parts for my
> boat,
> > > > > mostly
> > > > > > > mast
> > > > > > > >>> fittings, broken parts, etc. But im mostly just copying
> what
> > > > > pieces i
> > > > > > > >> have.
> > > > > > > >>> My boat didn't come with sheets (for the jib or the main)
> and
> > > it
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > >>> come with a traveler. I was wondering.. if anyone had
> > > > > > dimensions/specs
> > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > >>> these pieces? Or perhaps know of an equivalent locking main
> > > > sheet?
> > > > > > Ive
> > > > > > > >>> already purchased and begun assembling a new traveler. Its
> > > going
> > > > to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >>> roller type with a set of blocks either end. But ive also
> > seen
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> locking
> > > > > > > >>> pin style.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Thanks so much.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> [image: PXL_20240617_174724313.jpg]
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Jul  9 15:35:06 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 15:35:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My mast is bent
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Congratulations Kenwood! 
You are a qualified DIY Rhodie now. 
Stan would be both proud and pissed-off. 
Proud that you are living the Rhodes dream and enjoying a boat that makes sense,  you can work on it yourself and will also as long as you want it to.  
Pissed that you are not buying a new one instead.Fair winds! 
Ric 
Dadventure 
 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:58 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey all! We just ran into this same problem launching my boat for the first
> time in 30 years! As a temporary fix we machined a plate
> <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/Bgj6a2GwPFHb2te> and
> replaced those inappropriate round top screws with flush ones countersunk
> into aluminum. It worked good, but we're planning on CNCing a whole new
> roller on the bottom of the mast to keep it from breaking like that. I'll
> add some pics of the temporary fix and attach CAD files for the roller
> later!
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 11:32?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> You can either purchase or a rent a tool for removing/installing external
>> snap rings.  You want the style with a jack screw.  Place the jaws into the
>> slot and jack the lips apart.  Look for this tool in an auto parts store or
>> a hardware store.  This tool would allow you to apply gentle but powerful
>> force right where you want it.  You don?t really want to pry the lips up
>> like pliers would do.  You want to get in between the lips and pry them
>> apart laterally.  Forcing some sort of wedge in between the lips might also
>> accomplish what you want to do.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2024, at 10:30?AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Thanks for your thoughts Roger.  The mainsail furler seems to work
>> fine.  The slider only binds up in the bottom 18 to 24 inches of the mast.
>> I usually don't leave the pop top attached to the slider because of this,
>> and it makes it tough to drop the boom to the lower position (I've never
>> tried furling with the boom in "1st reef" position... It might bind).
>>> I think I'll try some gentle love with a pair of pliers and see if I can
>> persuade the mast to return to shape, or close to.
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>> 
>> 


From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 15:53:58 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 15:53:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My mast is bent
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Its a lovely boat and its worth putting all this work and machine time into
:3 We got a lot of comments about the design on the first launch! A few
well deserved oohs and aahs when we showed off the roller furling mainsail
:P it just makes sense!



On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 3:35?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> Congratulations Kenwood!
> You are a qualified DIY Rhodie now.
> Stan would be both proud and pissed-off.
> Proud that you are living the Rhodes dream and enjoying a boat that makes
> sense,  you can work on it yourself and will also as long as you want it
> to.
> Pissed that you are not buying a new one instead.Fair winds!
> Ric
> Dadventure
>
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:58 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all! We just ran into this same problem launching my boat for the
> first
> > time in 30 years! As a temporary fix we machined a plate
> > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/Bgj6a2GwPFHb2te> and
> > replaced those inappropriate round top screws with flush ones countersunk
> > into aluminum. It worked good, but we're planning on CNCing a whole new
> > roller on the bottom of the mast to keep it from breaking like that. I'll
> > add some pics of the temporary fix and attach CAD files for the roller
> > later!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 11:32?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Peter,
> >>
> >> You can either purchase or a rent a tool for removing/installing
> external
> >> snap rings.  You want the style with a jack screw.  Place the jaws into
> the
> >> slot and jack the lips apart.  Look for this tool in an auto parts
> store or
> >> a hardware store.  This tool would allow you to apply gentle but
> powerful
> >> force right where you want it.  You don?t really want to pry the lips up
> >> like pliers would do.  You want to get in between the lips and pry them
> >> apart laterally.  Forcing some sort of wedge in between the lips might
> also
> >> accomplish what you want to do.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 1978. Sanford, MI
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 5, 2024, at 10:30?AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Thanks for your thoughts Roger.  The mainsail furler seems to work
> >> fine.  The slider only binds up in the bottom 18 to 24 inches of the
> mast.
> >> I usually don't leave the pop top attached to the slider because of
> this,
> >> and it makes it tough to drop the boom to the lower position (I've never
> >> tried furling with the boom in "1st reef" position... It might bind).
> >>> I think I'll try some gentle love with a pair of pliers and see if I
> can
> >> persuade the mast to return to shape, or close to.
> >>>
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>>
> >>
>
>

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 16:16:59 2024
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 13:16:59 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My mast is bent
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Hi Kenwood:

Get ready for a lot of compliments on her lines and innovations. They are
such great boats.

Cheers,
Shawn Boles
s/v Sweet Baboo (1986/2010)

On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 12:54?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Its a lovely boat and its worth putting all this work and machine time into
> :3 We got a lot of comments about the design on the first launch! A few
> well deserved oohs and aahs when we showed off the roller furling mainsail
> :P it just makes sense!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 3:35?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations Kenwood!
> > You are a qualified DIY Rhodie now.
> > Stan would be both proud and pissed-off.
> > Proud that you are living the Rhodes dream and enjoying a boat that makes
> > sense,  you can work on it yourself and will also as long as you want it
> > to.
> > Pissed that you are not buying a new one instead.Fair winds!
> > Ric
> > Dadventure
> >
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:58 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey all! We just ran into this same problem launching my boat for the
> > first
> > > time in 30 years! As a temporary fix we machined a plate
> > > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/Bgj6a2GwPFHb2te> and
> > > replaced those inappropriate round top screws with flush ones
> countersunk
> > > into aluminum. It worked good, but we're planning on CNCing a whole new
> > > roller on the bottom of the mast to keep it from breaking like that.
> I'll
> > > add some pics of the temporary fix and attach CAD files for the roller
> > > later!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 11:32?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Peter,
> > >>
> > >> You can either purchase or a rent a tool for removing/installing
> > external
> > >> snap rings.  You want the style with a jack screw.  Place the jaws
> into
> > the
> > >> slot and jack the lips apart.  Look for this tool in an auto parts
> > store or
> > >> a hardware store.  This tool would allow you to apply gentle but
> > powerful
> > >> force right where you want it.  You don?t really want to pry the lips
> up
> > >> like pliers would do.  You want to get in between the lips and pry
> them
> > >> apart laterally.  Forcing some sort of wedge in between the lips might
> > also
> > >> accomplish what you want to do.
> > >>
> > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >> 1978. Sanford, MI
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 5, 2024, at 10:30?AM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> ?Thanks for your thoughts Roger.  The mainsail furler seems to work
> > >> fine.  The slider only binds up in the bottom 18 to 24 inches of the
> > mast.
> > >> I usually don't leave the pop top attached to the slider because of
> > this,
> > >> and it makes it tough to drop the boom to the lower position (I've
> never
> > >> tried furling with the boom in "1st reef" position... It might bind).
> > >>> I think I'll try some gentle love with a pair of pliers and see if I
> > can
> > >> persuade the mast to return to shape, or close to.
> > >>>
> > >>> Peter
> > >>>
> > >>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 20:43:09 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 20:43:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
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Great gin pole solution. And video.  But the locust must have been out in
force. You are all set to have some great fun, some of witch will involve
sailing.

Chris G

On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 2:03?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> We did it! We machined new spreaders (both ends) from aluminum and made a
> custom travler bar from a giant chunk of stainless steel (our local
> steelyard likes us a lot :3) it went super good and we sailed it for the
> first time in 30 years! Heres a pic
> <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/H2Ddbr7Y8e8Ziyd> or two
> <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/FSzMWnbnZtALtCm>!
>
> Lots more work to do! and many tools and parts to make, we weren't overall
> happy with our mast raising system. We never could figure out the OEM one
> so we took a hacksaw to it and turned it into a crude ginpole
> <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/N6KbgPiGtxST82c>, i
> still
> dont think it works right....
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 4:01?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ken,
> > Ric posted some spreader length above.  My IMF spreader tubes are 35 1/2
> > just the aluminum part.  Just slightly shorter than his measurements.
> All
> > in the ball park of 35-1/2 to 35-7/8.  Attached photo shows the spreader
> > tip and the Dwyer part attached to Mast.
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 12:06?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry for the delay there, looks like the email list blocks a lot of my
> > > images. I'll try linking them if i want to post more than one.
> > >
> > > Rodger, yes. We machined new sockets and pins for the traveler to
> install
> > > into. Piece of cake
> > >
> > > Peter, thanks for that height dimension!
> > >
> > > Rodger again thank you! I'll look into the harken set, for the moment i
> > was
> > > able to find a set that will work for now.
> > > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/NJPrZBJWHatXgyM>
> > >
> > > Rodger again, its a pretty big machine! We do a lot of machining and
> > > fabricating. Heres a few videos of us working on new blocks for the
> mast.
> > > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/zoFgg33qFMdZm7t>
> > >
> > > If anyone could measure precisely their spreader length, that would be
> > > super appreciated! Its hard to guess and pick without lifting and
> rasing
> > > the mast, and i still have no idea how that is done.
> > >
> > > Thank you all so much for all your advice! More progress soon to come,
> > the
> > > first wet-test is ticking down :)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 7:44?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, how big is this CNC machine?  Maximum dimensions of parts that
> can
> > be
> > > > produced?  hp?  What materials can you work with?  Do you also have
> the
> > > > tool crib full of cutters, or would we have to supply you with both
> the
> > > > material and the cutting tools?  When purchasing the cutting tools,
> > what
> > > > taper does your chuck require?  What programming language?  Do you
> > prefer
> > > > your mechanical drawings with dimensions all referenced to a common
> > > datum?
> > > >
> > > > Welcome aboard!  I'm perfectly willing to work with you.
> > > >
> > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > 1978  Sanford, MI
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> > > > Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 10:22 AM
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
> > > >
> > > > I, for one, would be very interested to see examples of how you use
> the
> > > CNC
> > > > to make boat parts.
> > > >
> > > > Graham Stewart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 7:17 PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Oh I'm totally fine making parts for people! Especially if it goes
> > both
> > > > > ways~ I really could use some dimensions and specifications so I
> know
> > > > > like.. what parts to make :3
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, 6:04?PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > He meant everyone might ask you to make something and there?s a
> bit
> > > of
> > > > > > jealousy. It?sa good thing. ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 6:00?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 5:52?PM Frank Goldsmith <
> > > > > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think Todd was joshing with you.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Frank
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2024, at 5:34?PM, Kenwood _ <
> kenwood364 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why? I don't understand sorry. I'm just trying to be polite
> > and
> > > > > > engage
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > other rhodes owners :c this is my first big boat project
> and
> > I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > wanna
> > > > > > > > > step on toes or do something dangerous
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 8:23?AM Todd Tavares <
> > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Kenwood,
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> You know you screwed up right?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> You shouldn't have let it us know you have a CNC.  ?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Todd T.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 10:47 AM Kenwood _ <
> > > kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>> Hello all. Just wanted to say, its so sad to hear about
> > stans
> > > > > > > passing.
> > > > > > > > >> I've
> > > > > > > > >>> obviously never met him, but its clear how much of a core
> > > > > > centerpiece
> > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > >>> was. He's mentioned in every piece of literature and
> > > > > documentation
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > >> over
> > > > > > > > >>> the internet.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Im in the process of machining several new parts for my
> > boat,
> > > > > > mostly
> > > > > > > > mast
> > > > > > > > >>> fittings, broken parts, etc. But im mostly just copying
> > what
> > > > > > pieces i
> > > > > > > > >> have.
> > > > > > > > >>> My boat didn't come with sheets (for the jib or the main)
> > and
> > > > it
> > > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > >>> come with a traveler. I was wondering.. if anyone had
> > > > > > > dimensions/specs
> > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > >>> these pieces? Or perhaps know of an equivalent locking
> main
> > > > > sheet?
> > > > > > > Ive
> > > > > > > > >>> already purchased and begun assembling a new traveler.
> Its
> > > > going
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >>> roller type with a set of blocks either end. But ive also
> > > seen
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> locking
> > > > > > > > >>> pin style.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Thanks so much.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> [image: PXL_20240617_174724313.jpg]
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From rosie.krueger at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 07:43:51 2024
From: rosie.krueger at gmail.com (Rosie Krueger)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 07:43:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topping lift jamming in IMF
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Just wanted to report back that simply reversing the end of the topping
lift line that led to the boom and the end that led down to the cabin roof
did the trick!  I think things still might not be rigged quite right up top
based on the pictures of other boats shared, but that change was enough to
keep the line from getting caught each time we furled and unfurled and has
allowed us to take the boat out for a few lovely sails without having to
lower the mast to make a bigger fix.  Thank you!!
Rosie

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 2:45?PM Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, Ken, Peter and William!  Not a dumb question at all, Peter - I
> think you might be on to the issue.  I'll check it out when we're next at
> the boat, but from looking at the photos you all sent, I think that we have
> the ends reversed - it looks like the side that is now stuck in the IMF
> slot should be the end that leads back to the boom, and it should be the
> other side of the line that runs down the mast to the fairlead and jam
> cleat on the cabin roof.  We had that part done correctly, just perhaps
> with the wrong end of the line!  We'll play around with that and see if it
> fixes it!
> Thanks again!
> Rosie
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 11:15?PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> I don't know if this helps, but I found this shot of the top of my mast.
>> The hand is on the bow side of the mast holding the top of the forestay.
>> The blue line is the topping lift line that runs down the mast to some
>> blocks that lead it to a cockpit cam cleat.  If you look really closely at
>> the rear of the mast, you can just make out a little blue from the line
>> that runs to the back of the boom.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
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>

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 11:37:44 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 11:37:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
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The community's advice was super helpful getting us this far! Thanks!

On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 8:43?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Great gin pole solution. And video.  But the locust must have been out in
> force. You are all set to have some great fun, some of witch will involve
> sailing.
>
> Chris G
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024 at 2:03?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We did it! We machined new spreaders (both ends) from aluminum and made a
> > custom travler bar from a giant chunk of stainless steel (our local
> > steelyard likes us a lot :3) it went super good and we sailed it for the
> > first time in 30 years! Heres a pic
> > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/H2Ddbr7Y8e8Ziyd> or
> two
> > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/FSzMWnbnZtALtCm>!
> >
> > Lots more work to do! and many tools and parts to make, we weren't
> overall
> > happy with our mast raising system. We never could figure out the OEM one
> > so we took a hacksaw to it and turned it into a crude ginpole
> > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/N6KbgPiGtxST82c>, i
> > still
> > dont think it works right....
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 4:01?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ken,
> > > Ric posted some spreader length above.  My IMF spreader tubes are 35
> 1/2
> > > just the aluminum part.  Just slightly shorter than his measurements.
> > All
> > > in the ball park of 35-1/2 to 35-7/8.  Attached photo shows the
> spreader
> > > tip and the Dwyer part attached to Mast.
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 12:06?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry for the delay there, looks like the email list blocks a lot of
> my
> > > > images. I'll try linking them if i want to post more than one.
> > > >
> > > > Rodger, yes. We machined new sockets and pins for the traveler to
> > install
> > > > into. Piece of cake
> > > >
> > > > Peter, thanks for that height dimension!
> > > >
> > > > Rodger again thank you! I'll look into the harken set, for the
> moment i
> > > was
> > > > able to find a set that will work for now.
> > > > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/NJPrZBJWHatXgyM>
> > > >
> > > > Rodger again, its a pretty big machine! We do a lot of machining and
> > > > fabricating. Heres a few videos of us working on new blocks for the
> > mast.
> > > > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/zoFgg33qFMdZm7t>
> > > >
> > > > If anyone could measure precisely their spreader length, that would
> be
> > > > super appreciated! Its hard to guess and pick without lifting and
> > rasing
> > > > the mast, and i still have no idea how that is done.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all so much for all your advice! More progress soon to
> come,
> > > the
> > > > first wet-test is ticking down :)
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 7:44?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So, how big is this CNC machine?  Maximum dimensions of parts that
> > can
> > > be
> > > > > produced?  hp?  What materials can you work with?  Do you also have
> > the
> > > > > tool crib full of cutters, or would we have to supply you with both
> > the
> > > > > material and the cutting tools?  When purchasing the cutting tools,
> > > what
> > > > > taper does your chuck require?  What programming language?  Do you
> > > prefer
> > > > > your mechanical drawings with dimensions all referenced to a common
> > > > datum?
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome aboard!  I'm perfectly willing to work with you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > 1978  Sanford, MI
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> > of
> > > > > Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 10:22 AM
> > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
> > > > >
> > > > > I, for one, would be very interested to see examples of how you use
> > the
> > > > CNC
> > > > > to make boat parts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Graham Stewart
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 7:17 PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oh I'm totally fine making parts for people! Especially if it
> goes
> > > both
> > > > > > ways~ I really could use some dimensions and specifications so I
> > know
> > > > > > like.. what parts to make :3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, 6:04?PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > He meant everyone might ask you to make something and there?s a
> > bit
> > > > of
> > > > > > > jealousy. It?sa good thing. ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 6:00?PM Kenwood _ <
> kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 5:52?PM Frank Goldsmith <
> > > > > > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think Todd was joshing with you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Frank
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2024, at 5:34?PM, Kenwood _ <
> > kenwood364 at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why? I don't understand sorry. I'm just trying to be
> polite
> > > and
> > > > > > > engage
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > other rhodes owners :c this is my first big boat project
> > and
> > > I
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > wanna
> > > > > > > > > > step on toes or do something dangerous
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 8:23?AM Todd Tavares <
> > > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> Kenwood,
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> You know you screwed up right?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> You shouldn't have let it us know you have a CNC.  ?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Todd T.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 10:47 AM Kenwood _ <
> > > > kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Hello all. Just wanted to say, its so sad to hear about
> > > stans
> > > > > > > > passing.
> > > > > > > > > >> I've
> > > > > > > > > >>> obviously never met him, but its clear how much of a
> core
> > > > > > > centerpiece
> > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > >>> was. He's mentioned in every piece of literature and
> > > > > > documentation
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > >> over
> > > > > > > > > >>> the internet.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Im in the process of machining several new parts for my
> > > boat,
> > > > > > > mostly
> > > > > > > > > mast
> > > > > > > > > >>> fittings, broken parts, etc. But im mostly just copying
> > > what
> > > > > > > pieces i
> > > > > > > > > >> have.
> > > > > > > > > >>> My boat didn't come with sheets (for the jib or the
> main)
> > > and
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > > >>> come with a traveler. I was wondering.. if anyone had
> > > > > > > > dimensions/specs
> > > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > > >>> these pieces? Or perhaps know of an equivalent locking
> > main
> > > > > > sheet?
> > > > > > > > Ive
> > > > > > > > > >>> already purchased and begun assembling a new traveler.
> > Its
> > > > > going
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >>> roller type with a set of blocks either end. But ive
> also
> > > > seen
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> locking
> > > > > > > > > >>> pin style.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Thanks so much.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> [image: PXL_20240617_174724313.jpg]
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 11:39:37 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 11:39:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
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Kenwood, next time, before you take a hack saw to anything, ask the list
for pictures, comments, and advice. We can possibly save you from having to
reinvent the wheel every time. The mast raising system you were using in
the video was not 100% GB system either.

Todd T.

On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 2:03 PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> We did it! We machined new spreaders (both ends) from aluminum and made a
> custom travler bar from a giant chunk of stainless steel (our local
> steelyard likes us a lot :3) it went super good and we sailed it for the
> first time in 30 years! Heres a pic
> <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/H2Ddbr7Y8e8Ziyd> or two
> <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/FSzMWnbnZtALtCm>!
>
> Lots more work to do! and many tools and parts to make, we weren't overall
> happy with our mast raising system. We never could figure out the OEM one
> so we took a hacksaw to it and turned it into a crude ginpole
> <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/N6KbgPiGtxST82c>, i
> still
> dont think it works right....
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 4:01?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ken,
> > Ric posted some spreader length above.  My IMF spreader tubes are 35 1/2
> > just the aluminum part.  Just slightly shorter than his measurements.
> All
> > in the ball park of 35-1/2 to 35-7/8.  Attached photo shows the spreader
> > tip and the Dwyer part attached to Mast.
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 12:06?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry for the delay there, looks like the email list blocks a lot of my
> > > images. I'll try linking them if i want to post more than one.
> > >
> > > Rodger, yes. We machined new sockets and pins for the traveler to
> install
> > > into. Piece of cake
> > >
> > > Peter, thanks for that height dimension!
> > >
> > > Rodger again thank you! I'll look into the harken set, for the moment i
> > was
> > > able to find a set that will work for now.
> > > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/NJPrZBJWHatXgyM>
> > >
> > > Rodger again, its a pretty big machine! We do a lot of machining and
> > > fabricating. Heres a few videos of us working on new blocks for the
> mast.
> > > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/zoFgg33qFMdZm7t>
> > >
> > > If anyone could measure precisely their spreader length, that would be
> > > super appreciated! Its hard to guess and pick without lifting and
> rasing
> > > the mast, and i still have no idea how that is done.
> > >
> > > Thank you all so much for all your advice! More progress soon to come,
> > the
> > > first wet-test is ticking down :)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 7:44?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, how big is this CNC machine?  Maximum dimensions of parts that
> can
> > be
> > > > produced?  hp?  What materials can you work with?  Do you also have
> the
> > > > tool crib full of cutters, or would we have to supply you with both
> the
> > > > material and the cutting tools?  When purchasing the cutting tools,
> > what
> > > > taper does your chuck require?  What programming language?  Do you
> > prefer
> > > > your mechanical drawings with dimensions all referenced to a common
> > > datum?
> > > >
> > > > Welcome aboard!  I'm perfectly willing to work with you.
> > > >
> > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > 1978  Sanford, MI
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> > > > Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 10:22 AM
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
> > > >
> > > > I, for one, would be very interested to see examples of how you use
> the
> > > CNC
> > > > to make boat parts.
> > > >
> > > > Graham Stewart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 7:17 PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Oh I'm totally fine making parts for people! Especially if it goes
> > both
> > > > > ways~ I really could use some dimensions and specifications so I
> know
> > > > > like.. what parts to make :3
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, 6:04?PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > He meant everyone might ask you to make something and there?s a
> bit
> > > of
> > > > > > jealousy. It?sa good thing. ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 6:00?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 5:52?PM Frank Goldsmith <
> > > > > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think Todd was joshing with you.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Frank
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2024, at 5:34?PM, Kenwood _ <
> kenwood364 at gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why? I don't understand sorry. I'm just trying to be polite
> > and
> > > > > > engage
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > other rhodes owners :c this is my first big boat project
> and
> > I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > wanna
> > > > > > > > > step on toes or do something dangerous
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 8:23?AM Todd Tavares <
> > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Kenwood,
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> You know you screwed up right?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> You shouldn't have let it us know you have a CNC.  ?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Todd T.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 10:47 AM Kenwood _ <
> > > kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>> Hello all. Just wanted to say, its so sad to hear about
> > stans
> > > > > > > passing.
> > > > > > > > >> I've
> > > > > > > > >>> obviously never met him, but its clear how much of a core
> > > > > > centerpiece
> > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > >>> was. He's mentioned in every piece of literature and
> > > > > documentation
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > >> over
> > > > > > > > >>> the internet.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Im in the process of machining several new parts for my
> > boat,
> > > > > > mostly
> > > > > > > > mast
> > > > > > > > >>> fittings, broken parts, etc. But im mostly just copying
> > what
> > > > > > pieces i
> > > > > > > > >> have.
> > > > > > > > >>> My boat didn't come with sheets (for the jib or the main)
> > and
> > > > it
> > > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > >>> come with a traveler. I was wondering.. if anyone had
> > > > > > > dimensions/specs
> > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > >>> these pieces? Or perhaps know of an equivalent locking
> main
> > > > > sheet?
> > > > > > > Ive
> > > > > > > > >>> already purchased and begun assembling a new traveler.
> Its
> > > > going
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >>> roller type with a set of blocks either end. But ive also
> > > seen
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> locking
> > > > > > > > >>> pin style.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Thanks so much.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> [image: PXL_20240617_174724313.jpg]
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From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 11:52:06 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 11:52:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
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I posted an earlier thread about trying to figure it out. We didn't get
very far :c we did find the eyes in the rear that lined up with what
another forum member said but, It still didn't make much sense how the GB
system worked at all!

That post is 100% gb haha, but we couldn't get it to work so we hacked it
up to make a DIY ginpole, which is how the new rhodes work anyway so. We
figured if its good enough for the new ones it would work for an old one
too. That was the general consensus i felt everyone talked about XD

"Damn that thing is crazy, no idea how it works, mine just lifts from the
front" :)

On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 11:47?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kenwood, next time, before you take a hack saw to anything, ask the list
> for pictures, comments, and advice. We can possibly save you from having to
> reinvent the wheel every time. The mast raising system you were using in
> the video was not 100% GB system either.
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 2:03 PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We did it! We machined new spreaders (both ends) from aluminum and made a
> > custom travler bar from a giant chunk of stainless steel (our local
> > steelyard likes us a lot :3) it went super good and we sailed it for the
> > first time in 30 years! Heres a pic
> > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/H2Ddbr7Y8e8Ziyd> or
> two
> > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/FSzMWnbnZtALtCm>!
> >
> > Lots more work to do! and many tools and parts to make, we weren't
> overall
> > happy with our mast raising system. We never could figure out the OEM one
> > so we took a hacksaw to it and turned it into a crude ginpole
> > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/N6KbgPiGtxST82c>, i
> > still
> > dont think it works right....
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 4:01?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ken,
> > > Ric posted some spreader length above.  My IMF spreader tubes are 35
> 1/2
> > > just the aluminum part.  Just slightly shorter than his measurements.
> > All
> > > in the ball park of 35-1/2 to 35-7/8.  Attached photo shows the
> spreader
> > > tip and the Dwyer part attached to Mast.
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 12:06?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry for the delay there, looks like the email list blocks a lot of
> my
> > > > images. I'll try linking them if i want to post more than one.
> > > >
> > > > Rodger, yes. We machined new sockets and pins for the traveler to
> > install
> > > > into. Piece of cake
> > > >
> > > > Peter, thanks for that height dimension!
> > > >
> > > > Rodger again thank you! I'll look into the harken set, for the
> moment i
> > > was
> > > > able to find a set that will work for now.
> > > > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/NJPrZBJWHatXgyM>
> > > >
> > > > Rodger again, its a pretty big machine! We do a lot of machining and
> > > > fabricating. Heres a few videos of us working on new blocks for the
> > mast.
> > > > <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/zoFgg33qFMdZm7t>
> > > >
> > > > If anyone could measure precisely their spreader length, that would
> be
> > > > super appreciated! Its hard to guess and pick without lifting and
> > rasing
> > > > the mast, and i still have no idea how that is done.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all so much for all your advice! More progress soon to
> come,
> > > the
> > > > first wet-test is ticking down :)
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 7:44?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So, how big is this CNC machine?  Maximum dimensions of parts that
> > can
> > > be
> > > > > produced?  hp?  What materials can you work with?  Do you also have
> > the
> > > > > tool crib full of cutters, or would we have to supply you with both
> > the
> > > > > material and the cutting tools?  When purchasing the cutting tools,
> > > what
> > > > > taper does your chuck require?  What programming language?  Do you
> > > prefer
> > > > > your mechanical drawings with dimensions all referenced to a common
> > > > datum?
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome aboard!  I'm perfectly willing to work with you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > 1978  Sanford, MI
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> > of
> > > > > Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 10:22 AM
> > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sheet Dimensions and Specs
> > > > >
> > > > > I, for one, would be very interested to see examples of how you use
> > the
> > > > CNC
> > > > > to make boat parts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Graham Stewart
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 7:17 PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oh I'm totally fine making parts for people! Especially if it
> goes
> > > both
> > > > > > ways~ I really could use some dimensions and specifications so I
> > know
> > > > > > like.. what parts to make :3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024, 6:04?PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > He meant everyone might ask you to make something and there?s a
> > bit
> > > > of
> > > > > > > jealousy. It?sa good thing. ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 6:00?PM Kenwood _ <
> kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 5:52?PM Frank Goldsmith <
> > > > > > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think Todd was joshing with you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Frank
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Jun 22, 2024, at 5:34?PM, Kenwood _ <
> > kenwood364 at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Why? I don't understand sorry. I'm just trying to be
> polite
> > > and
> > > > > > > engage
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > other rhodes owners :c this is my first big boat project
> > and
> > > I
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > > wanna
> > > > > > > > > > step on toes or do something dangerous
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 8:23?AM Todd Tavares <
> > > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> Kenwood,
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> You know you screwed up right?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> You shouldn't have let it us know you have a CNC.  ?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Todd T.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 10:47 AM Kenwood _ <
> > > > kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Hello all. Just wanted to say, its so sad to hear about
> > > stans
> > > > > > > > passing.
> > > > > > > > > >> I've
> > > > > > > > > >>> obviously never met him, but its clear how much of a
> core
> > > > > > > centerpiece
> > > > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > >>> was. He's mentioned in every piece of literature and
> > > > > > documentation
> > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > >> over
> > > > > > > > > >>> the internet.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Im in the process of machining several new parts for my
> > > boat,
> > > > > > > mostly
> > > > > > > > > mast
> > > > > > > > > >>> fittings, broken parts, etc. But im mostly just copying
> > > what
> > > > > > > pieces i
> > > > > > > > > >> have.
> > > > > > > > > >>> My boat didn't come with sheets (for the jib or the
> main)
> > > and
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > > >>> come with a traveler. I was wondering.. if anyone had
> > > > > > > > dimensions/specs
> > > > > > > > > >> for
> > > > > > > > > >>> these pieces? Or perhaps know of an equivalent locking
> > main
> > > > > > sheet?
> > > > > > > > Ive
> > > > > > > > > >>> already purchased and begun assembling a new traveler.
> > Its
> > > > > going
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >>> roller type with a set of blocks either end. But ive
> also
> > > > seen
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> locking
> > > > > > > > > >>> pin style.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Thanks so much.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> [image: PXL_20240617_174724313.jpg]
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From mgwilson1916 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 19:56:39 2024
From: mgwilson1916 at gmail.com (mike wilson)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 19:56:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
Message-ID: <CAJCVun1f=URgNVEr+g+xTfEq8LMoN3dXPNVsUYZeCnYAku=BKg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All, not sure if I'm on the right site,- (tech challenged)
I have a Rhodes 22 -1987 refurbished by GB in 97 - just checking if there
is any interest in it. We bought the boat in Rhode Island and brought it
here to Whitby ( just outside of Toronto) and have enjoyed sailing and
refurbishing her for the last
8yrs. or so. She's in good shape and currently in the water at Port Whitby
Marina, galvanized trailer is included. If interested let us know and we'll
send pics , details
etc. and answer questions.
Cheers
Mike

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jul 12 20:50:16 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 20:50:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAJCVun1f=URgNVEr+g+xTfEq8LMoN3dXPNVsUYZeCnYAku=BKg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Mike,

You're on the correct site. You should probably attach some pictures and a detailed list of equipment for sale with the boat (motor, trailer, VHF radio, sail configuration, etc.) as well as the age of the equipment. The asking price and whether you are negotiable will help the buyers to know if the boat is within their range to purchase. If you need help posting photos, just ask for assistance from "da list."

Stan Spitzer, the builder of the Rhodes 22, passed away recently. No new boats are being produced at this time. Existing ones in relatively good condition may increase in value.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mike wilson
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2024 7:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale

Hi All, not sure if I'm on the right site,- (tech challenged) I have a Rhodes 22 -1987 refurbished by GB in 97 - just checking if there is any interest in it. We bought the boat in Rhode Island and brought it here to Whitby ( just outside of Toronto) and have enjoyed sailing and refurbishing her for the last 8yrs. or so. She's in good shape and currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina, galvanized trailer is included. If interested let us know and we'll send pics , details etc. and answer questions.
Cheers
Mike


From mgwilson1916 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 20:50:32 2024
From: mgwilson1916 at gmail.com (mike wilson)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 20:50:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Rhodes 22 for sale
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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: mike wilson <mgwilson1916 at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 7:56?PM
Subject: Rhodes 22 for sale
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>


Hi All, not sure if I'm on the right site,- (tech challenged)
I have a Rhodes 22 -1987 refurbished by GB in 97 - just checking if there
is any interest in it. We bought the boat in Rhode Island and brought it
here to Whitby ( just outside of Toronto) and have enjoyed sailing and
refurbishing her for the last
8yrs. or so. She's in good shape and currently in the water at Port Whitby
Marina, galvanized trailer is included. If interested let us know and we'll
send pics , details
etc. and answer questions.
Cheers
Mike

From mgwilson1916 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 21:24:20 2024
From: mgwilson1916 at gmail.com (mike wilson)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 21:24:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <002001dad4be$a1845510$e48cff30$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAJCVun1f=URgNVEr+g+xTfEq8LMoN3dXPNVsUYZeCnYAku=BKg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJCVun3HJQtr+eate8CzsSNEMy1AV43FS1sVOjUbK=rdZugTVw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Michael, good advise , I hoping that interested folks would contact
us and we would forward all that you advised in the meantime I'll say we
are looking at looking $5K cdn which is about 3700 usd. and motor is a 9.9
honda electric start and battery charging unit runs like a dream. If you or
anyone else is interested  we can send pictures and details to them.
thanks again
Mike






On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 9:08?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> You're on the correct site. You should probably attach some pictures and a
> detailed list of equipment for sale with the boat (motor, trailer, VHF
> radio, sail configuration, etc.) as well as the age of the equipment. The
> asking price and whether you are negotiable will help the buyers to know if
> the boat is within their range to purchase. If you need help posting
> photos, just ask for assistance from "da list."
>
> Stan Spitzer, the builder of the Rhodes 22, passed away recently. No new
> boats are being produced at this time. Existing ones in relatively good
> condition may increase in value.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> mike wilson
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2024 7:57 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
>
> Hi All, not sure if I'm on the right site,- (tech challenged) I have a
> Rhodes 22 -1987 refurbished by GB in 97 - just checking if there is any
> interest in it. We bought the boat in Rhode Island and brought it here to
> Whitby ( just outside of Toronto) and have enjoyed sailing and refurbishing
> her for the last 8yrs. or so. She's in good shape and currently in the
> water at Port Whitby Marina, galvanized trailer is included. If interested
> let us know and we'll send pics , details etc. and answer questions.
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>

From mgwilson1916 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 17:58:03 2024
From: mgwilson1916 at gmail.com (mike wilson)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 17:58:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
Message-ID: <CAJCVun2CRLaSa=YAYJjW9_nr2piQiirdz4eDdFskHg_3Q-PJEg@mail.gmail.com>

s22-list
Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
posting.
We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of
Toronto
Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
Equipped as follows:
- Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings repacked
to be completed when sold -
- IMFmainsail
- Roller furling Jib
-1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
- Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
- Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
- CD/Radio
- Pop top enclosure
- Boom Room
- all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove, electric
cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
- 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
- GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped
I hope the pics make through OK
Questions?? let us know
Thanks
Mike
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From mgwilson1916 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 17:58:03 2024
From: mgwilson1916 at gmail.com (mike wilson)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 17:58:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
Message-ID: <CAJCVun2CRLaSa=YAYJjW9_nr2piQiirdz4eDdFskHg_3Q-PJEg@mail.gmail.com>

s22-list
Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
posting.
We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of
Toronto
Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
Equipped as follows:
- Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings repacked
to be completed when sold -
- IMFmainsail
- Roller furling Jib
-1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
- Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
- Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
- CD/Radio
- Pop top enclosure
- Boom Room
- all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove, electric
cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
- 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
- GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped
I hope the pics make through OK
Questions?? let us know
Thanks
Mike
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Jul 15 18:58:12 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 18:58:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAJCVun2CRLaSa=YAYJjW9_nr2piQiirdz4eDdFskHg_3Q-PJEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJCVun2CRLaSa=YAYJjW9_nr2piQiirdz4eDdFskHg_3Q-PJEg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Mike Wilson,

This appears to be a very nice Rhodes at a great price! How old is the trailer?

Anyone need a boat?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mike wilson
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 5:58 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale

s22-list
Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed posting.
We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of Toronto Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
Equipped as follows:
- Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings repacked to be completed when sold -
- IMFmainsail
- Roller furling Jib
-1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
- Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
- Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
- CD/Radio
- Pop top enclosure
- Boom Room
- all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove, electric cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
- 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
- GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped I hope the pics make through OK Questions?? let us know Thanks Mike
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jul 15 19:04:25 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 23:04:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How does my mast jack work?
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Hi Kenwood,

Have you had a chance to try my backwards mast stepping idea?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2024, at 9:10?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Let?s see, you would have to disconnect the backstays and the aft lower side stays at their chainplates.  The forward lower side stays would stay connected and the forestay + roller furler would remain tied off to the mast.  The backward rotation of the mast would be stopped by the forward lower side stays .  Port/starboard tipping of the masthead during mast stepping would be limited by the upper side stays.  Once the mast was raised, I would attach the back stays, then the forestay, and finally the forward lower side stays.  Then, you could disconnect the halyard and remove the gin pole.  I can picture the process working slick as a whistle.  So, next question, does the bottom of the gin pole fit into the table socket in the cockpit and are the guy lines sized to secure the gin pole in an upright position?
>
> Please understand I?ve never actually seen your mast raising system in operation.  I?m just picturing how it might work in my mind.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 5:47?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Oh, that's a strange idea but maybe yeah. Literally backwards gin pole, I
>> can take some closeup pictures of the pole but, what you see is what you
>> get. And there is no socket or anything like that forward of the tabernacle
>> just, putting that out there.
>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2024, 5:41?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> By any chance, does your mast raising system work ?backwards??  ie, Start
>>> with the mast bolted into the tabernacle and lying forward resting on the
>>> bow pulpit.  Then, winch the mast up backwards using a halyard led to the
>>> gin pole and winch?  The guy lines on the gin pole would still be rigged to
>>> hold the gin pole vertical.  I can see how this strategy would work using
>>> only the pieces/parts in the photo.
>>>
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 4:25?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Hi Kenwood,
>>>>
>>>> The male pin and tabernacle in the picture looks like it?s designed to
>>> plug into the cockpit socket for the galley table.  The guy lines look like
>>> they would attach to the stern cleats and the winches port and starboard
>>> and would hold the gin pole vertical.  Do you have a block that attaches to
>>> the forestay?  It looks like you would run a halyard to the block on the
>>> bow forestay, then back to the block on the end of the gin pole, and down
>>> to the winch.
>>>>
>>>> This is very different from the mast raising system on my boat.  On my
>>> boat, the base of the gin pole attaches to a fitting on the leading edge of
>>> the cabin roof.  The forward lower side stays are attached to the gin pole
>>> near the upper end.  The winch line on the gin pole runs to the bow cleat.
>>> To step the mast, the gin pole starts vertical and pivots downward from its
>>> base towards the bow as the mast is winched upward.
>>>>
>>>> Stan went thru a number of different versions of the mast stepping
>>> system.  You must have an early version.
>>>>
>>>> Never having used your system, I can?t comment on how well it works.  I
>>> think I have the newest version and it works pretty well.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 2:39?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?All the reading I've done online talks about a ginpole but... Mine
>>> doesn't
>>>>> rly look like that? It has a socket and foot that looks like it's.meant
>>> to
>>>>> socket into the cockpit. I don't understand! I was planning on
>>> dismantling
>>>>> the whole thing and turning it into a ginpole by removing the foot and
>>>>> adding a rubber plate. What do you all think though? Is this simpler to
>>> use
>>>>> than I think?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
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>>>

From mgwilson1916 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 19:37:53 2024
From: mgwilson1916 at gmail.com (mike wilson)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 19:37:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <005701dad70a$791958c0$6b4c0a40$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAJCVun2CRLaSa=YAYJjW9_nr2piQiirdz4eDdFskHg_3Q-PJEg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Michael
 i don't know the age of the trailer it was bought for when I needed to
transport the boat from Rhode Island, that said it's in good shape but has
been used as a yard trailer for the last 7 years or so. That is why I will
replace the brakes and repack the bearings before letting it go.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 7:08?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Hi Mike Wilson,
>
> This appears to be a very nice Rhodes at a great price! How old is the
> trailer?
>
> Anyone need a boat?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> mike wilson
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 5:58 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
>
> s22-list
> Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
> posting.
> We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
> Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of
> Toronto Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
> Equipped as follows:
> - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings repacked
> to be completed when sold -
> - IMFmainsail
> - Roller furling Jib
> -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
> - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
> - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
> - CD/Radio
> - Pop top enclosure
> - Boom Room
> - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove,
> electric cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
> - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
> - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped I hope the pics make
> through OK Questions?? let us know Thanks Mike
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From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 20:42:51 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 20:42:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How does my mast jack work?
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So, yes but no. We tried our best but... there's just nothing to attach to
or like, no way to connect everything. We did find the eyes in the jib
sheet cubbies, but they're almost perfectly inline with the jack. So it
didn't really secure anything. Plus, the rope didn't nearly reach anything.
it didn't even reach the tabernacle, and the angle it made with the
deckhouse stays was so steep. Plus it didn't reach them either, it just is
not that long. So far back aft in the boat. Plus.. it didn't really make
any sense having it like that.

Im sorry i forget who suggested it, but somebody theorized about putting a
block on the forestay mount on the deck, and running thru that, to the
forestay itself and pulling from that, but the angle is way to steep. and
again, way too long for the mast jack.

In the end, we just chopped up the mast raising system and turned it into a
ginpole <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/8grS7Z67q5ZZHqW>,
a job it is much more suited for after some cutting bending and
re-arranging.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 7:23?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Kenwood,
>
> Have you had a chance to try my backwards mast stepping idea?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 29, 2024, at 9:10?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Let?s see, you would have to disconnect the backstays and the aft lower
> side stays at their chainplates.  The forward lower side stays would stay
> connected and the forestay + roller furler would remain tied off to the
> mast.  The backward rotation of the mast would be stopped by the forward
> lower side stays .  Port/starboard tipping of the masthead during mast
> stepping would be limited by the upper side stays.  Once the mast was
> raised, I would attach the back stays, then the forestay, and finally the
> forward lower side stays.  Then, you could disconnect the halyard and
> remove the gin pole.  I can picture the process working slick as a
> whistle.  So, next question, does the bottom of the gin pole fit into the
> table socket in the cockpit and are the guy lines sized to secure the gin
> pole in an upright position?
> >
> > Please understand I?ve never actually seen your mast raising system in
> operation.  I?m just picturing how it might work in my mind.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 29, 2024, at 5:47?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Oh, that's a strange idea but maybe yeah. Literally backwards gin
> pole, I
> >> can take some closeup pictures of the pole but, what you see is what you
> >> get. And there is no socket or anything like that forward of the
> tabernacle
> >> just, putting that out there.
> >>
> >>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2024, 5:41?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> By any chance, does your mast raising system work ?backwards??  ie,
> Start
> >>> with the mast bolted into the tabernacle and lying forward resting on
> the
> >>> bow pulpit.  Then, winch the mast up backwards using a halyard led to
> the
> >>> gin pole and winch?  The guy lines on the gin pole would still be
> rigged to
> >>> hold the gin pole vertical.  I can see how this strategy would work
> using
> >>> only the pieces/parts in the photo.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>> 1978. Sanford, MI
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 4:25?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Hi Kenwood,
> >>>>
> >>>> The male pin and tabernacle in the picture looks like it?s designed to
> >>> plug into the cockpit socket for the galley table.  The guy lines look
> like
> >>> they would attach to the stern cleats and the winches port and
> starboard
> >>> and would hold the gin pole vertical.  Do you have a block that
> attaches to
> >>> the forestay?  It looks like you would run a halyard to the block on
> the
> >>> bow forestay, then back to the block on the end of the gin pole, and
> down
> >>> to the winch.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is very different from the mast raising system on my boat.  On my
> >>> boat, the base of the gin pole attaches to a fitting on the leading
> edge of
> >>> the cabin roof.  The forward lower side stays are attached to the gin
> pole
> >>> near the upper end.  The winch line on the gin pole runs to the bow
> cleat.
> >>> To step the mast, the gin pole starts vertical and pivots downward
> from its
> >>> base towards the bow as the mast is winched upward.
> >>>>
> >>>> Stan went thru a number of different versions of the mast stepping
> >>> system.  You must have an early version.
> >>>>
> >>>> Never having used your system, I can?t comment on how well it works.
> I
> >>> think I have the newest version and it works pretty well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>> 1978. Sanford, MI
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 2:39?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?All the reading I've done online talks about a ginpole but... Mine
> >>> doesn't
> >>>>> rly look like that? It has a socket and foot that looks like
> it's.meant
> >>> to
> >>>>> socket into the cockpit. I don't understand! I was planning on
> >>> dismantling
> >>>>> the whole thing and turning it into a ginpole by removing the foot
> and
> >>>>> adding a rubber plate. What do you all think though? Is this simpler
> to
> >>> use
> >>>>> than I think?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks!
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> >>>>
> >>>
>

From mike at traildesign.com  Mon Jul 15 21:09:17 2024
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 20:09:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How does my mast jack work?
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Hi Kenwood.
You are obviously pretty apt in the mechanical dept. It might make sense to
stop trying to make the current system work and build the modern system
Stan made for the mast raising. It's a simple system that works
phenomenally well. I've always put the mast up by myself with it, even in a
breeze. It's also small enough to store on the boat while you're underway.

I'm out of town on a project right now, but will be home in a couple weeks.
If you're interested in pursuing this course, let me know and I can walk
you through it with detailed photos and measurements. The hardest part will
be machining the mount for the foredeck. With your skills, I imagine it'll
be a piece of cake.

SV Emma B




On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 7:43?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> So, yes but no. We tried our best but... there's just nothing to attach to
> or like, no way to connect everything. We did find the eyes in the jib
> sheet cubbies, but they're almost perfectly inline with the jack. So it
> didn't really secure anything. Plus, the rope didn't nearly reach anything.
> it didn't even reach the tabernacle, and the angle it made with the
> deckhouse stays was so steep. Plus it didn't reach them either, it just is
> not that long. So far back aft in the boat. Plus.. it didn't really make
> any sense having it like that.
>
> Im sorry i forget who suggested it, but somebody theorized about putting a
> block on the forestay mount on the deck, and running thru that, to the
> forestay itself and pulling from that, but the angle is way to steep. and
> again, way too long for the mast jack.
>
> In the end, we just chopped up the mast raising system and turned it into a
> ginpole <https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/8grS7Z67q5ZZHqW
> >,
> a job it is much more suited for after some cutting bending and
> re-arranging.
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 7:23?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Kenwood,
> >
> > Have you had a chance to try my backwards mast stepping idea?
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 29, 2024, at 9:10?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Let?s see, you would have to disconnect the backstays and the aft
> lower
> > side stays at their chainplates.  The forward lower side stays would stay
> > connected and the forestay + roller furler would remain tied off to the
> > mast.  The backward rotation of the mast would be stopped by the forward
> > lower side stays .  Port/starboard tipping of the masthead during mast
> > stepping would be limited by the upper side stays.  Once the mast was
> > raised, I would attach the back stays, then the forestay, and finally the
> > forward lower side stays.  Then, you could disconnect the halyard and
> > remove the gin pole.  I can picture the process working slick as a
> > whistle.  So, next question, does the bottom of the gin pole fit into the
> > table socket in the cockpit and are the guy lines sized to secure the gin
> > pole in an upright position?
> > >
> > > Please understand I?ve never actually seen your mast raising system in
> > operation.  I?m just picturing how it might work in my mind.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > 1978. Sanford, MI
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Jun 29, 2024, at 5:47?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Oh, that's a strange idea but maybe yeah. Literally backwards gin
> > pole, I
> > >> can take some closeup pictures of the pole but, what you see is what
> you
> > >> get. And there is no socket or anything like that forward of the
> > tabernacle
> > >> just, putting that out there.
> > >>
> > >>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2024, 5:41?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> By any chance, does your mast raising system work ?backwards??  ie,
> > Start
> > >>> with the mast bolted into the tabernacle and lying forward resting on
> > the
> > >>> bow pulpit.  Then, winch the mast up backwards using a halyard led to
> > the
> > >>> gin pole and winch?  The guy lines on the gin pole would still be
> > rigged to
> > >>> hold the gin pole vertical.  I can see how this strategy would work
> > using
> > >>> only the pieces/parts in the photo.
> > >>>
> > >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>> 1978. Sanford, MI
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 4:25?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ?Hi Kenwood,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The male pin and tabernacle in the picture looks like it?s designed
> to
> > >>> plug into the cockpit socket for the galley table.  The guy lines
> look
> > like
> > >>> they would attach to the stern cleats and the winches port and
> > starboard
> > >>> and would hold the gin pole vertical.  Do you have a block that
> > attaches to
> > >>> the forestay?  It looks like you would run a halyard to the block on
> > the
> > >>> bow forestay, then back to the block on the end of the gin pole, and
> > down
> > >>> to the winch.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This is very different from the mast raising system on my boat.  On
> my
> > >>> boat, the base of the gin pole attaches to a fitting on the leading
> > edge of
> > >>> the cabin roof.  The forward lower side stays are attached to the gin
> > pole
> > >>> near the upper end.  The winch line on the gin pole runs to the bow
> > cleat.
> > >>> To step the mast, the gin pole starts vertical and pivots downward
> > from its
> > >>> base towards the bow as the mast is winched upward.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Stan went thru a number of different versions of the mast stepping
> > >>> system.  You must have an early version.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Never having used your system, I can?t comment on how well it works.
> > I
> > >>> think I have the newest version and it works pretty well.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>>> 1978. Sanford, MI
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 2:39?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ?All the reading I've done online talks about a ginpole but... Mine
> > >>> doesn't
> > >>>>> rly look like that? It has a socket and foot that looks like
> > it's.meant
> > >>> to
> > >>>>> socket into the cockpit. I don't understand! I was planning on
> > >>> dismantling
> > >>>>> the whole thing and turning it into a ginpole by removing the foot
> > and
> > >>>>> adding a rubber plate. What do you all think though? Is this
> simpler
> > to
> > >>> use
> > >>>>> than I think?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>> -------------- next part --------------
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> > >>>
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240629/1f3a2d4c/attachment.jpg
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> >
>

From rrago54 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 22:07:16 2024
From: rrago54 at gmail.com (ricardo rago)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2024 22:07:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
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I do need a boat, unfortunately I'm in Florida...

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 7:23?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Hi Mike Wilson,
>
> This appears to be a very nice Rhodes at a great price! How old is the
> trailer?
>
> Anyone need a boat?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> mike wilson
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 5:58 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
>
> s22-list
> Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
> posting.
> We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
> Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of
> Toronto Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
> Equipped as follows:
> - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings repacked
> to be completed when sold -
> - IMFmainsail
> - Roller furling Jib
> -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
> - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
> - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
> - CD/Radio
> - Pop top enclosure
> - Boom Room
> - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove,
> electric cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
> - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
> - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped I hope the pics make
> through OK Questions?? let us know Thanks Mike
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From rrago54 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 05:24:28 2024
From: rrago54 at gmail.com (ricardo rago)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 05:24:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
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Hi All, does anybody know an economical way to transport a boat from Canada
all the way down into Florida?

Thanks,

Kind Regards,

*Ricardo A. Rago*
*(203) 300-1001*
*rrago54 at gmail.com <rrago54 at gmail.com>*


On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:07?PM ricardo rago <rrago54 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do need a boat, unfortunately I'm in Florida...
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 7:23?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike Wilson,
>>
>> This appears to be a very nice Rhodes at a great price! How old is the
>> trailer?
>>
>> Anyone need a boat?
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> mike wilson
>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 5:58 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
>>
>> s22-list
>> Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
>> posting.
>> We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
>> Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of
>> Toronto Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
>> Equipped as follows:
>> - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings
>> repacked to be completed when sold -
>> - IMFmainsail
>> - Roller furling Jib
>> -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
>> - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
>> - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
>> - CD/Radio
>> - Pop top enclosure
>> - Boom Room
>> - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove,
>> electric cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
>> - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
>> - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped I hope the pics make
>> through OK Questions?? let us know Thanks Mike
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Jul 16 06:38:59 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 06:38:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <CA+tt-SM5WT8unGhfzuDQkmMGvdQV55GQ5biDWnjrxh4zZpNoeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+tt-SM5WT8unGhfzuDQkmMGvdQV55GQ5biDWnjrxh4zZpNoeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78F77DE5-1E83-4E3A-92FE-AB6B8B79028D@stottarchitecture.com>

For the price of that boat soneone should drive up there and tow it home.  
It is easily worth twice the asking price. 
Ric
Dadventure.  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2024, at 5:25?AM, ricardo rago <rrago54 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All, does anybody know an economical way to transport a boat from Canada
> all the way down into Florida?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> *Ricardo A. Rago*
> *(203) 300-1001*
> *rrago54 at gmail.com <rrago54 at gmail.com>*
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:07?PM ricardo rago <rrago54 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I do need a boat, unfortunately I'm in Florida...
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 7:23?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mike Wilson,
>>> 
>>> This appears to be a very nice Rhodes at a great price! How old is the
>>> trailer?
>>> 
>>> Anyone need a boat?
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> mike wilson
>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 5:58 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
>>> 
>>> s22-list
>>> Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
>>> posting.
>>> We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
>>> Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of
>>> Toronto Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
>>> Equipped as follows:
>>> - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings
>>> repacked to be completed when sold -
>>> - IMFmainsail
>>> - Roller furling Jib
>>> -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
>>> - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
>>> - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
>>> - CD/Radio
>>> - Pop top enclosure
>>> - Boom Room
>>> - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove,
>>> electric cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
>>> - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
>>> - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped I hope the pics make
>>> through OK Questions?? let us know Thanks Mike
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jul 16 07:12:16 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:12:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
Message-ID: <mailman.2267.1721128356.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

Hi Mike,?Richard Beytagh used to make long distance boat deliveries for Stan. I think that he retired in 2020 but you may want to check with him. His prices and contact info are in the posting at:http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2017-August/081267.htmlMikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NYI?d rather be sailing :~)
-------- Original message --------From: ricardo rago <rrago54 at gmail.com> Date: 7/16/24  5:25 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale Hi All, does anybody know an economical way to transport a boat from Canadaall the way down into Florida?Thanks,Kind Regards,*Ricardo A. Rago**(203) 300-1001**rrago54 at gmail.com <rrago54 at gmail.com>*On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:07?PM ricardo rago <rrago54 at gmail.com> wrote:> I do need a boat, unfortunately I'm in Florida...>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 7:23?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>> wrote:>>> Hi Mike Wilson,>>>> This appears to be a very nice Rhodes at a great price! How old is the>> trailer?>>>> Anyone need a boat?>>>> Mike>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)>> Nissequogue River, NY>> I?d rather be sailing :~)>>>>>> -----Original Message----->> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of>> mike wilson>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 5:58 PM>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale>>>> s22-list>> Hi again all , As per? Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed>> posting.>> We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO>> Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of>> Toronto Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.>> Equipped as follows:>> - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings>> repacked to be completed when sold ->> - IMFmainsail>> - Roller furling Jib>> -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used>> - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape>> - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)>> - CD/Radio>> - Pop top enclosure>> - Boom Room>> - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove,>> electric cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.>> - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor>> - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped I hope the pics make>> through OK Questions?? let us know Thanks Mike>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: 20240605_121353.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 3411787 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL: <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240715/66fd964d/attachment.jpg>> >>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: 20240605_121502.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 3542504 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL: <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240715/66fd964d/attachment-0001.jpg>> >>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: IMG_0810.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 31155 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL: <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240715/66fd964d/attachment-0002.jpg>> >>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: IMG_0816.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 23188 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL: <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240715/66fd964d/attachment-0003.jpg>> >>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: IMG_0818.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 26074 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL: <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240715/66fd964d/attachment-0004.jpg>> >>>>>

From Mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jul 16 07:18:55 2024
From: Mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:18:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <78F77DE5-1E83-4E3A-92FE-AB6B8B79028D@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <CA+tt-SM5WT8unGhfzuDQkmMGvdQV55GQ5biDWnjrxh4zZpNoeg@mail.gmail.com>
 <78F77DE5-1E83-4E3A-92FE-AB6B8B79028D@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <c472bd144d78e3149da7f239c4014a99.squirrel@emailmg.netfirms.com>

Richard Beytagh used to make long distance boat deliveries for Stan.

I think that he retired in 2020 but you may want to check with him.

His prices and contact info are in the posting at:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2017-August/081267.html

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)

On Tue, July 16, 2024 6:38 am, Ric Stott wrote:
> For the price of that boat soneone should drive up there and tow it home.
> It is easily worth twice the asking price.
> Ric
> Dadventure.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 5:25???AM, ricardo rago <rrago54 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ???Hi All, does anybody know an economical way to transport a boat from
>> Canada
>> all the way down into Florida?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> *Ricardo A. Rago*
>> *(203) 300-1001*
>> *rrago54 at gmail.com <rrago54 at gmail.com>*
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:07???PM ricardo rago <rrago54 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do need a boat, unfortunately I'm in Florida...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 7:23???PM Michael D. Weisner
>>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Mike Wilson,
>>>>
>>>> This appears to be a very nice Rhodes at a great price! How old is the
>>>> trailer?
>>>>
>>>> Anyone need a boat?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>> I???d rather be sailing :~)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> mike wilson
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 5:58 PM
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
>>>>
>>>> s22-list
>>>> Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
>>>> posting.
>>>> We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
>>>> Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east
>>>> of
>>>> Toronto Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
>>>> Equipped as follows:
>>>> - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings
>>>> repacked to be completed when sold -
>>>> - IMFmainsail
>>>> - Roller furling Jib
>>>> -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
>>>> - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
>>>> - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
>>>> - CD/Radio
>>>> - Pop top enclosure
>>>> - Boom Room
>>>> - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove,
>>>> electric cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
>>>> - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
>>>> - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped I hope the pics make
>>>> through OK Questions?? let us know Thanks Mike
>>>> -------------- next part --------------
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>



From rrago54 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 10:01:32 2024
From: rrago54 at gmail.com (ricardo rago)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 10:01:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <c472bd144d78e3149da7f239c4014a99.squirrel@emailmg.netfirms.com>
References: <CA+tt-SM5WT8unGhfzuDQkmMGvdQV55GQ5biDWnjrxh4zZpNoeg@mail.gmail.com>
 <78F77DE5-1E83-4E3A-92FE-AB6B8B79028D@stottarchitecture.com>
 <c472bd144d78e3149da7f239c4014a99.squirrel@emailmg.netfirms.com>
Message-ID: <CA+tt-SOuGL6K10GhcObnq+AyPw7b9takgwsfKpoaku3jVy5u5g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the info, but based on the distance, the transportation cost
will be higher than the cost of the boat.

Kind Regards,

Ricardo

On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 7:19?AM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Richard Beytagh used to make long distance boat deliveries for Stan.
>
> I think that he retired in 2020 but you may want to check with him.
>
> His prices and contact info are in the posting at:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2017-August/081267.html
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
> On Tue, July 16, 2024 6:38 am, Ric Stott wrote:
> > For the price of that boat soneone should drive up there and tow it home.
> > It is easily worth twice the asking price.
> > Ric
> > Dadventure.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 16, 2024, at 5:25?AM, ricardo rago <rrago54 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hi All, does anybody know an economical way to transport a boat from
> >> Canada
> >> all the way down into Florida?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Kind Regards,
> >>
> >> *Ricardo A. Rago*
> >> *(203) 300-1001*
> >> *rrago54 at gmail.com <rrago54 at gmail.com>*
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:07?PM ricardo rago <rrago54 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I do need a boat, unfortunately I'm in Florida...
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024, 7:23?PM Michael D. Weisner
> >>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Mike Wilson,
> >>>>
> >>>> This appears to be a very nice Rhodes at a great price! How old is the
> >>>> trailer?
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone need a boat?
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >>>> mike wilson
> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 5:58 PM
> >>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
> >>>>
> >>>> s22-list
> >>>> Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
> >>>> posting.
> >>>> We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
> >>>> Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east
> >>>> of
> >>>> Toronto Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
> >>>> Equipped as follows:
> >>>> - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings
> >>>> repacked to be completed when sold -
> >>>> - IMFmainsail
> >>>> - Roller furling Jib
> >>>> -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
> >>>> - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
> >>>> - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
> >>>> - CD/Radio
> >>>> - Pop top enclosure
> >>>> - Boom Room
> >>>> - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove,
> >>>> electric cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
> >>>> - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
> >>>> - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped I hope the pics make
> >>>> through OK Questions?? let us know Thanks Mike
> >>>> -------------- next part --------------
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 12:39:26 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:39:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAJCVun2CRLaSa=YAYJjW9_nr2piQiirdz4eDdFskHg_3Q-PJEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJCVun2CRLaSa=YAYJjW9_nr2piQiirdz4eDdFskHg_3Q-PJEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiU+4HEfef8iwJ49aMneEer=-gzyMEM0BYhUw26_Y8gZgw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mike,
This I Chris Geankoplis  I?m the guy who shipped our Rhodes over to the Med
and sailed it all around the med. so I know the boat well I am interested
in it and can arrange transport no problem, but not until October probably.
Now all I have to do is convince my wife we need a 2nd Rhodes. Contact me
if you would at my personal email.
Thanks!

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 5:58?PM mike wilson <mgwilson1916 at gmail.com> wrote:

> s22-list
> Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
> posting.
> We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
> Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of
> Toronto
> Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
> Equipped as follows:
> - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings repacked
> to be completed when sold -
> - IMFmainsail
> - Roller furling Jib
> -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
> - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
> - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
> - CD/Radio
> - Pop top enclosure
> - Boom Room
> - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove, electric
> cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
> - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
> - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped
> I hope the pics make through OK
> Questions?? let us know
> Thanks
> Mike
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 13:53:21 2024
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 10:53:21 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
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Chris - Tell Alice it is fate! - Shawn

On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 9:48?AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Mike,
> This I Chris Geankoplis  I?m the guy who shipped our Rhodes over to the Med
> and sailed it all around the med. so I know the boat well I am interested
> in it and can arrange transport no problem, but not until October probably.
> Now all I have to do is convince my wife we need a 2nd Rhodes. Contact me
> if you would at my personal email.
> Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 5:58?PM mike wilson <mgwilson1916 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > s22-list
> > Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
> > posting.
> > We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
> > Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of
> > Toronto
> > Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
> > Equipped as follows:
> > - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings
> repacked
> > to be completed when sold -
> > - IMFmainsail
> > - Roller furling Jib
> > -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
> > - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
> > - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
> > - CD/Radio
> > - Pop top enclosure
> > - Boom Room
> > - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove,
> electric
> > cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
> > - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
> > - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped
> > I hope the pics make through OK
> > Questions?? let us know
> > Thanks
> > Mike
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From rodellner at mac.com  Tue Jul 16 14:05:51 2024
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:05:51 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuNSMdvKNuXt_Z_eNHaOf3iFm-m2jUWpQXeg98ZRkcoXbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMzGxuNSMdvKNuXt_Z_eNHaOf3iFm-m2jUWpQXeg98ZRkcoXbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70C89D0C-CA8C-4962-A666-AD2AACCAE16F@mac.com>

Chris

Tell Alice you?ll now have One each?..heck, I think it?s Serendipitous?..Rod says ?Buy the Boat!!?     (Tell her it can be the Guest house?)

Rod and Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2024, at 11:53?AM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Chris - Tell Alice it is fate! - Shawn
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 9:48?AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Mike,
>> This I Chris Geankoplis  I?m the guy who shipped our Rhodes over to the Med
>> and sailed it all around the med. so I know the boat well I am interested
>> in it and can arrange transport no problem, but not until October probably.
>> Now all I have to do is convince my wife we need a 2nd Rhodes. Contact me
>> if you would at my personal email.
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 5:58?PM mike wilson <mgwilson1916 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> s22-list
>>> Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
>>> posting.
>>> We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
>>> Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of
>>> Toronto
>>> Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
>>> Equipped as follows:
>>> - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings
>> repacked
>>> to be completed when sold -
>>> - IMFmainsail
>>> - Roller furling Jib
>>> -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
>>> - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
>>> - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
>>> - CD/Radio
>>> - Pop top enclosure
>>> - Boom Room
>>> - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove,
>> electric
>>> cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
>>> - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
>>> - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped
>>> I hope the pics make through OK
>>> Questions?? let us know
>>> Thanks
>>> Mike
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 21:09:38 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:09:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <70C89D0C-CA8C-4962-A666-AD2AACCAE16F@mac.com>
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First I need a bottle of wine.  Grin.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 2:06?PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Chris
>
> Tell Alice you?ll now have One each?..heck, I think it?s
> Serendipitous?..Rod says ?Buy the Boat!!?     (Tell her it can be the Guest
> house?)
>
> Rod and Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 16, 2024, at 11:53?AM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Chris - Tell Alice it is fate! - Shawn
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2024, 9:48?AM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Mike,
> >> This I Chris Geankoplis  I?m the guy who shipped our Rhodes over to the
> Med
> >> and sailed it all around the med. so I know the boat well I am
> interested
> >> in it and can arrange transport no problem, but not until October
> probably.
> >> Now all I have to do is convince my wife we need a 2nd Rhodes. Contact
> me
> >> if you would at my personal email.
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 5:58?PM mike wilson <mgwilson1916 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> s22-list
> >>> Hi again all , As per  Micharl Weisner advice here is a more detailed
> >>> posting.
> >>> We are selling our 1987 Rhodes 22 -Asking $5000 Cdn ( $3700 USD ) OBO
> >>> Currently in the water at Port Whitby Marina located 30 minutes east of
> >>> Toronto
> >>> Slip paid up until November this year and can be extended.
> >>> Equipped as follows:
> >>> - Road runner Galvanized trailer, - brand new brakes and bearings
> >> repacked
> >>> to be completed when sold -
> >>> - IMFmainsail
> >>> - Roller furling Jib
> >>> -1997 9.9 electric start Honda well maintained and lightly used
> >>> - Sunbrella covered cockpit cushions in great shape
> >>> - Raymarine st1000 tiller pilot (requires installation)
> >>> - CD/Radio
> >>> - Pop top enclosure
> >>> - Boom Room
> >>> - all lines bumpers, flares , fire extinguisher, new butane stove,
> >> electric
> >>> cooler/icebox, and all the usual inventory included.
> >>> - 1 fortress anchor and 1 standard danforth anchor
> >>> - GB single handed mast raising/lower equipped
> >>> I hope the pics make through OK
> >>> Questions?? let us know
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Mike
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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From rhodes22dave at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 16:39:17 2024
From: rhodes22dave at gmail.com (David Keyes)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:39:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Parts--IMF Outhaul Car
Message-ID: <8459D212-88A1-487B-A334-509094937562@gmail.com>

Charles, I believe from the R22 List that you are the contact for obtaining R22 parts.

I need a part that (from memory of the last time I looked at the parts list) is listed as an IMF Outhaul Car.  I have attached a picture of it from my boat.  You will see that the teflon-like sliding part broke along the slot line into two pieces.  It does seem like a weak spot in the design.

The broken part you see is an original part from my 2011 Rhodes 22 that I purchased new from Stan, to replace my 2001 Rhodes 22 that I also purchased new from Stan and traded back to him.

If you can provide this part, I will send delivery and credit card, or other, information as needed.

Thanks,
David Keyes (cell phone or text 713-540-3616).
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From rhodes22dave at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 16:39:17 2024
From: rhodes22dave at gmail.com (David Keyes)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:39:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Parts--IMF Outhaul Car
Message-ID: <8459D212-88A1-487B-A334-509094937562@gmail.com>

Charles, I believe from the R22 List that you are the contact for obtaining R22 parts.

I need a part that (from memory of the last time I looked at the parts list) is listed as an IMF Outhaul Car.  I have attached a picture of it from my boat.  You will see that the teflon-like sliding part broke along the slot line into two pieces.  It does seem like a weak spot in the design.

The broken part you see is an original part from my 2011 Rhodes 22 that I purchased new from Stan, to replace my 2001 Rhodes 22 that I also purchased new from Stan and traded back to him.

If you can provide this part, I will send delivery and credit card, or other, information as needed.

Thanks,
David Keyes (cell phone or text 713-540-3616).
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From rhodes22dave at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 17:31:44 2024
From: rhodes22dave at gmail.com (David Keyes)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 16:31:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My experiences with Yamaha 9.9 and Torqeedo 3 hp
	motors on R22
Message-ID: <1B812CB2-1DA9-4F60-A5DB-9265455A5199@gmail.com>

For over 20 years, I used a Yamaha 9.9 motor linked (with several generations of Stan?s link designs) on my 2001 and 2011 Rhodes 22s.  I liked everything about this arrangement except that notwithstanding numerous adjustments and cleanings of the carburetor and throttle, it always needed to idle too fast when returning through a narrow area and then making a 90-degree turn into my slip.  However, I would have kept the motor ?forever? except that the cables between the tiller-mounted gear/throttle control and the motor corroded and broke.  Yamaha had discontinued the replacement cables, and I couldn?t make a satisfactory replacement.

So I bought a 3 hp easily portable Torqeedo electric motor, with two Torqeedo-branded BMW lithium batteries and a solar panel.  I would have preferred the 8hp motor, but the battery installation for that is larger, heavier, and not portable, and we don?t have reliable shore power because the lake is not constant level.  As a result, the motor is satisfactory for getting in and out of the marina area, but its range and speed are inadequate for much more.  Maximum speed (since the motor is under-powered for the size and weight of the R22) is about 4 mph.  But I usually opt for less speed to preserve electric reserve.  One time, a squall of about 25-35mph headwind occurred out in the middle of the lake.  I was able to make direct headway against the wind and waves at about 1.9 mph.  I had to keep straight into the wind, or the wind would catch on the hull of the boat and blow it broadside and then away from the wind.

The lake has been only 1/3 full for the past two years, and when it fills, I should take the boat about 10-15 miles towards the dam to a marina that can haul my boat out and paint the bottom.  That was an easy cruise at about 6-7 mph with the Yamaha but seems like it would be a slow, long trek challenging my electric battery range even with two batteries and a solar panel.

Also, I have to take off the removable tiller from the Torqeedo, because Stan?s electric motor lift is right up against the transom.  So with the motor mounted straight fore and aft, I need to use a pivot line to back out of my slip and get the boat turned 90 degrees.  But returning, in forward gear, it is wonderful to be able to slow the boat down to any slow speed and precisely make my 90 degree turn into the slip.

David Keyes
S/V Arrowhead 2 (if it had a name painted on the hull, which it doesn?t)

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 18 16:17:41 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 16:17:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How does my mast jack work?
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We really dont have trouble making parts haha, its the design that takes a
lot longer! I think my first attempt was a good facsimile of the
stan-design but i would totally love to get your numbers and dimensions :)
this seems to be the way to go forward. Thanks!

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 3:38?AM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> Hi Kenwood.
> You are obviously pretty apt in the mechanical dept. It might make sense to
> stop trying to make the current system work and build the modern system
> Stan made for the mast raising. It's a simple system that works
> phenomenally well. I've always put the mast up by myself with it, even in a
> breeze. It's also small enough to store on the boat while you're underway.
>
> I'm out of town on a project right now, but will be home in a couple weeks.
> If you're interested in pursuing this course, let me know and I can walk
> you through it with detailed photos and measurements. The hardest part will
> be machining the mount for the foredeck. With your skills, I imagine it'll
> be a piece of cake.
>
> SV Emma B
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 7:43?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So, yes but no. We tried our best but... there's just nothing to attach
> to
> > or like, no way to connect everything. We did find the eyes in the jib
> > sheet cubbies, but they're almost perfectly inline with the jack. So it
> > didn't really secure anything. Plus, the rope didn't nearly reach
> anything.
> > it didn't even reach the tabernacle, and the angle it made with the
> > deckhouse stays was so steep. Plus it didn't reach them either, it just
> is
> > not that long. So far back aft in the boat. Plus.. it didn't really make
> > any sense having it like that.
> >
> > Im sorry i forget who suggested it, but somebody theorized about putting
> a
> > block on the forestay mount on the deck, and running thru that, to the
> > forestay itself and pulling from that, but the angle is way to steep. and
> > again, way too long for the mast jack.
> >
> > In the end, we just chopped up the mast raising system and turned it
> into a
> > ginpole <
> https://nextcloud.kitsunehosting.net/index.php/s/8grS7Z67q5ZZHqW
> > >,
> > a job it is much more suited for after some cutting bending and
> > re-arranging.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 7:23?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Kenwood,
> > >
> > > Have you had a chance to try my backwards mast stepping idea?
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > 1978. Sanford, MI
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Jun 29, 2024, at 9:10?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?Let?s see, you would have to disconnect the backstays and the aft
> > lower
> > > side stays at their chainplates.  The forward lower side stays would
> stay
> > > connected and the forestay + roller furler would remain tied off to the
> > > mast.  The backward rotation of the mast would be stopped by the
> forward
> > > lower side stays .  Port/starboard tipping of the masthead during mast
> > > stepping would be limited by the upper side stays.  Once the mast was
> > > raised, I would attach the back stays, then the forestay, and finally
> the
> > > forward lower side stays.  Then, you could disconnect the halyard and
> > > remove the gin pole.  I can picture the process working slick as a
> > > whistle.  So, next question, does the bottom of the gin pole fit into
> the
> > > table socket in the cockpit and are the guy lines sized to secure the
> gin
> > > pole in an upright position?
> > > >
> > > > Please understand I?ve never actually seen your mast raising system
> in
> > > operation.  I?m just picturing how it might work in my mind.
> > > >
> > > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > 1978. Sanford, MI
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >> On Jun 29, 2024, at 5:47?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> ?Oh, that's a strange idea but maybe yeah. Literally backwards gin
> > > pole, I
> > > >> can take some closeup pictures of the pole but, what you see is what
> > you
> > > >> get. And there is no socket or anything like that forward of the
> > > tabernacle
> > > >> just, putting that out there.
> > > >>
> > > >>>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2024, 5:41?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> By any chance, does your mast raising system work ?backwards??  ie,
> > > Start
> > > >>> with the mast bolted into the tabernacle and lying forward resting
> on
> > > the
> > > >>> bow pulpit.  Then, winch the mast up backwards using a halyard led
> to
> > > the
> > > >>> gin pole and winch?  The guy lines on the gin pole would still be
> > > rigged to
> > > >>> hold the gin pole vertical.  I can see how this strategy would work
> > > using
> > > >>> only the pieces/parts in the photo.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >>> 1978. Sanford, MI
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 4:25?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com
> >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ?Hi Kenwood,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The male pin and tabernacle in the picture looks like it?s
> designed
> > to
> > > >>> plug into the cockpit socket for the galley table.  The guy lines
> > look
> > > like
> > > >>> they would attach to the stern cleats and the winches port and
> > > starboard
> > > >>> and would hold the gin pole vertical.  Do you have a block that
> > > attaches to
> > > >>> the forestay?  It looks like you would run a halyard to the block
> on
> > > the
> > > >>> bow forestay, then back to the block on the end of the gin pole,
> and
> > > down
> > > >>> to the winch.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This is very different from the mast raising system on my boat.
> On
> > my
> > > >>> boat, the base of the gin pole attaches to a fitting on the leading
> > > edge of
> > > >>> the cabin roof.  The forward lower side stays are attached to the
> gin
> > > pole
> > > >>> near the upper end.  The winch line on the gin pole runs to the bow
> > > cleat.
> > > >>> To step the mast, the gin pole starts vertical and pivots downward
> > > from its
> > > >>> base towards the bow as the mast is winched upward.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Stan went thru a number of different versions of the mast stepping
> > > >>> system.  You must have an early version.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Never having used your system, I can?t comment on how well it
> works.
> > > I
> > > >>> think I have the newest version and it works pretty well.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >>>> 1978. Sanford, MI
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 2:39?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ?All the reading I've done online talks about a ginpole but...
> Mine
> > > >>> doesn't
> > > >>>>> rly look like that? It has a socket and foot that looks like
> > > it's.meant
> > > >>> to
> > > >>>>> socket into the cockpit. I don't understand! I was planning on
> > > >>> dismantling
> > > >>>>> the whole thing and turning it into a ginpole by removing the
> foot
> > > and
> > > >>>>> adding a rubber plate. What do you all think though? Is this
> > simpler
> > > to
> > > >>> use
> > > >>>>> than I think?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks!
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> > > >>>
> > >
> >
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> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
>

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 18 16:19:15 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 16:19:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Parts--IMF Outhaul Car
In-Reply-To: <8459D212-88A1-487B-A334-509094937562@gmail.com>
References: <8459D212-88A1-487B-A334-509094937562@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABvjUT1QNni7LCFOG5BOPfqQrO8rGWJndPRAVFyoB81CPQKOyg@mail.gmail.com>

Thats a really simple part to machine, if you shoot me the dimensions we
could cut one up for you. Thats prolly HDPE and a lot of my boat was made
with those parts too. I re-machined every single one from billet aluminum.
They'll never crack in the sun now!

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 4:48?PM David Keyes <rhodes22dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Charles, I believe from the R22 List that you are the contact for
> obtaining R22 parts.
>
> I need a part that (from memory of the last time I looked at the parts
> list) is listed as an IMF Outhaul Car.  I have attached a picture of it
> from my boat.  You will see that the teflon-like sliding part broke along
> the slot line into two pieces.  It does seem like a weak spot in the design.
>
> The broken part you see is an original part from my 2011 Rhodes 22 that I
> purchased new from Stan, to replace my 2001 Rhodes 22 that I also purchased
> new from Stan and traded back to him.
>
> If you can provide this part, I will send delivery and credit card, or
> other, information as needed.
>
> Thanks,
> David Keyes (cell phone or text 713-540-3616).
> -------------- next part --------------
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> >
>

From rhodes22dave at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 23:50:58 2024
From: rhodes22dave at gmail.com (David Keyes)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:50:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Parts--IMF Outhaul Car
In-Reply-To: <CABvjUT1QNni7LCFOG5BOPfqQrO8rGWJndPRAVFyoB81CPQKOyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8459D212-88A1-487B-A334-509094937562@gmail.com>
 <CABvjUT1QNni7LCFOG5BOPfqQrO8rGWJndPRAVFyoB81CPQKOyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20B8000E-38A5-465B-B09D-9F0447D7B284@gmail.com>

Thanks.  It?s nice to know we have some resources to machine parts that will become unavailable at some point.  For now, I?ve ordered a GB part through Charles.
David Keyes

> On Jul 18, 2024, at 3:19?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thats a really simple part to machine, if you shoot me the dimensions we
> could cut one up for you. Thats prolly HDPE and a lot of my boat was made
> with those parts too. I re-machined every single one from billet aluminum.
> They'll never crack in the sun now!
> 
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 4:48?PM David Keyes <rhodes22dave at gmail.com <mailto:rhodes22dave at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Charles, I believe from the R22 List that you are the contact for
>> obtaining R22 parts.
>> 
>> I need a part that (from memory of the last time I looked at the parts
>> list) is listed as an IMF Outhaul Car.  I have attached a picture of it
>> from my boat.  You will see that the teflon-like sliding part broke along
>> the slot line into two pieces.  It does seem like a weak spot in the design.
>> 
>> The broken part you see is an original part from my 2011 Rhodes 22 that I
>> purchased new from Stan, to replace my 2001 Rhodes 22 that I also purchased
>> new from Stan and traded back to him.
>> 
>> If you can provide this part, I will send delivery and credit card, or
>> other, information as needed.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> David Keyes (cell phone or text 713-540-3616).
>> -------------- next part --------------
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From forg3d at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 07:15:48 2024
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 06:15:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Parts--IMF Outhaul Car
In-Reply-To: <20B8000E-38A5-465B-B09D-9F0447D7B284@gmail.com>
References: <20B8000E-38A5-465B-B09D-9F0447D7B284@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6146FE2-0E73-4CDD-B632-F47DC829D836@gmail.com>

Wow!!! I want one too!!

Careful of what you say on this site!  lol. 



> On Jul 20, 2024, at 10:51?PM, David Keyes <rhodes22dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks.  It?s nice to know we have some resources to machine parts that will become unavailable at some point.  For now, I?ve ordered a GB part through Charles.
> David Keyes
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2024, at 3:19?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thats a really simple part to machine, if you shoot me the dimensions we
>> could cut one up for you. Thats prolly HDPE and a lot of my boat was made
>> with those parts too. I re-machined every single one from billet aluminum.
>> They'll never crack in the sun now!
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 4:48?PM David Keyes <rhodes22dave at gmail.com <mailto:rhodes22dave at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Charles, I believe from the R22 List that you are the contact for
>>> obtaining R22 parts.
>>> 
>>> I need a part that (from memory of the last time I looked at the parts
>>> list) is listed as an IMF Outhaul Car.  I have attached a picture of it
>>> from my boat.  You will see that the teflon-like sliding part broke along
>>> the slot line into two pieces.  It does seem like a weak spot in the design.
>>> 
>>> The broken part you see is an original part from my 2011 Rhodes 22 that I
>>> purchased new from Stan, to replace my 2001 Rhodes 22 that I also purchased
>>> new from Stan and traded back to him.
>>> 
>>> If you can provide this part, I will send delivery and credit card, or
>>> other, information as needed.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> David Keyes (cell phone or text 713-540-3616).
>>> -------------- next part --------------
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>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240717/4a693955/attachment.jpeg
> 

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 10:26:14 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:26:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Parts--IMF Outhaul Car
In-Reply-To: <D6146FE2-0E73-4CDD-B632-F47DC829D836@gmail.com>
References: <20B8000E-38A5-465B-B09D-9F0447D7B284@gmail.com>
 <D6146FE2-0E73-4CDD-B632-F47DC829D836@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABvjUT1jFA5AtAuVtjRprS=ab7guwmY8oV-5CcQbFB7XF9t2+A@mail.gmail.com>

Haha no problem! Once we makeup the CAD its really easy to make a bunch,
and we've made a ton for my boat. Everything HDPE we replaced.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 7:54?AM Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow!!! I want one too!!
>
> Careful of what you say on this site!  lol.
>
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2024, at 10:51?PM, David Keyes <rhodes22dave at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Thanks.  It?s nice to know we have some resources to machine parts that
> will become unavailable at some point.  For now, I?ve ordered a GB part
> through Charles.
> > David Keyes
> >
> >> On Jul 18, 2024, at 3:19?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thats a really simple part to machine, if you shoot me the dimensions we
> >> could cut one up for you. Thats prolly HDPE and a lot of my boat was
> made
> >> with those parts too. I re-machined every single one from billet
> aluminum.
> >> They'll never crack in the sun now!
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 4:48?PM David Keyes <rhodes22dave at gmail.com
> <mailto:rhodes22dave at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Charles, I believe from the R22 List that you are the contact for
> >>> obtaining R22 parts.
> >>>
> >>> I need a part that (from memory of the last time I looked at the parts
> >>> list) is listed as an IMF Outhaul Car.  I have attached a picture of it
> >>> from my boat.  You will see that the teflon-like sliding part broke
> along
> >>> the slot line into two pieces.  It does seem like a weak spot in the
> design.
> >>>
> >>> The broken part you see is an original part from my 2011 Rhodes 22
> that I
> >>> purchased new from Stan, to replace my 2001 Rhodes 22 that I also
> purchased
> >>> new from Stan and traded back to him.
> >>>
> >>> If you can provide this part, I will send delivery and credit card, or
> >>> other, information as needed.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> David Keyes (cell phone or text 713-540-3616).
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >>> Name: Outhaul Car.jpeg
> >>> Type: image/jpeg
> >>> Size: 286917 bytes
> >>> Desc: not available
> >>> URL: <
> >>>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240717/4a693955/attachment.jpeg
> >
>

From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 13:46:06 2024
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 13:46:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem
Message-ID: <CAPD+wLEnhmR0W2v9nod5aOwuBh_M-6CLX0-3gsMuSEgxTXymtQ@mail.gmail.com>

To my fellow Rhodes traditional mast-ers,
My current backstay consists of a single continuous piece of ss cable run
bent through a thimble to mark the halfway point The thimble is the
connecting point to the mast head. The two cable ends have stay adjusters.
There are two single blocks on each side for a total of four, with one of
which having a becket. Those blocks by the way, are attached to the
backstay cable with a short piece of cable swaged on to the mainline.
(Describing it is easier than drawing a picture). I know the blocks are for
increasing the tension and adjusting underway. Bottom line, everything
looks very homemade.
The last time I asked about this, everyone said to purchase a new assembly
with the traveler bar from GB. Does the latest GB version work for a
traditional mast? Is there a height difference between the IMF mast and the
traditional? Or do I just make a copy of what I have?
Current price of the Backstay assembly is $425 if the webpage prices are
still accurate. Next email is to Mr Gabriel.
Thanks all.
Brian
NewIn76

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jul 22 14:06:19 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 18:06:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem
In-Reply-To: <CAPD+wLEnhmR0W2v9nod5aOwuBh_M-6CLX0-3gsMuSEgxTXymtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPD+wLEnhmR0W2v9nod5aOwuBh_M-6CLX0-3gsMuSEgxTXymtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR10MB42882E93289CD87DF72D04E180A82@MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Brian,

On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, my 1978 Rhodes 22, I had a local wire rope rigging shop duplicate what I had when it was time to replace the double backstays.  As you described, it is one piece of cable bent in the middle around a SS thimble.  My backstay adjuster and sockets for the traveler bar are also like yours.  I used this backstay for many years with the GBI gen 2 traveler bar.  When it came time to upgrade to the latest Gen 3 traveler, it slipped right into place using the same backstays and sockets.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2024, at 1:46?PM, Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?To my fellow Rhodes traditional mast-ers,
> My current backstay consists of a single continuous piece of ss cable run
> bent through a thimble to mark the halfway point The thimble is the
> connecting point to the mast head. The two cable ends have stay adjusters.
> There are two single blocks on each side for a total of four, with one of
> which having a becket. Those blocks by the way, are attached to the
> backstay cable with a short piece of cable swaged on to the mainline.
> (Describing it is easier than drawing a picture). I know the blocks are for
> increasing the tension and adjusting underway. Bottom line, everything
> looks very homemade.
> The last time I asked about this, everyone said to purchase a new assembly
> with the traveler bar from GB. Does the latest GB version work for a
> traditional mast? Is there a height difference between the IMF mast and the
> traditional? Or do I just make a copy of what I have?
> Current price of the Backstay assembly is $425 if the webpage prices are
> still accurate. Next email is to Mr Gabriel.
> Thanks all.
> Brian
> NewIn76

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Jul 23 07:57:55 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:57:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR10MB42882E93289CD87DF72D04E180A82@MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAPD+wLEnhmR0W2v9nod5aOwuBh_M-6CLX0-3gsMuSEgxTXymtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <MN2PR10MB42882E93289CD87DF72D04E180A82@MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR10MB42886EA5F923C2B529459EB580A92@MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Brian,

Attached below is a post from the archives re an improvement in the OEM backstay adjuster.  The OEM backstay adjuster does not lend itself to rapid and reproducible adjustments.  Especially if you want to race your boat, this is a quick, cheap and effective project.  It doesn't affect your PHRF rating either!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

______________________________________________________
I mounted a Harken #144 swiveling base with #150 CAM-MATIC cam cleat, #137 eyestrap, #071 stand-up spring, and a 2.25" dia. block just in front of the starboard side backstay chainplate. The standard backstay adjuster line will thread up to this assembly like it was designed to be there. Thru-bolt the Harken swivel base to the gunnel with silicone RTV, four #10-24UNC X 1" stainless steel flat head machine screws and use a #10 stainless steel fender washer under each nut as a backing plate.
Before drilling any holes, thread up the backstay adjuster line and experiment with the position of the swiveling base. You will find there is a sweet spot just in front of the chainplate where the line will run fairly into the block without chafing on the backstay or blocking the boarding ladder. Don't use the smaller Harken #205 swiveling base because the base is right near the boarding ladder & sooner or later, someone is bound to step on the swiveling arm. The Harken 144's swiveling arm can stand up to being stepped on and the 205's can't.
The swiveling arm on the Harken 144 makes trimming the backstay adjuster very easy from either side of the cockpit. Be sure to mount the swiveling base so that the arc of the arm's movement won't allow the adjuster line to flop overboard. I marked my backstay adjuster line at 2" intervals with colored magic marker so I can reproduce the backstay tension.
In order for the backstay adjuster to be able to cause any noticeable difference in lee or weather helm, you need to have the rest of the rig set-up properly. With only the slack taken out of the backstay tension, the inner (lower) shrouds have to be set quite tight. The outer (upper) shrouds just need to have the slack taken up. Sight up the mast and be certain the mast is not bent or leaning side-to-side or bent fore-and-aft.
The mast should have a slight aft rake to it, about 2 deg max. Now when you tighten up the backstay, the forward lower shrouds will restrain the middle of the mast. The head of the mast will be pulled aft. This will simultaneously take up slack in the forestay and induce a slight bend in the mast. (Note: NOT recommended with IMF mainsails!)
Tightening up the forestay is desirable for genoa sail shape when beating to weather. If your mainsail is properly cut and not blown out from old age, the mast bend will cause the mainsail shape to flatten out into an aerodynamic shape that is better for high winds and beating to weather. You will also move the sail plan's center of effort aft, thus inducing weather helm.
This is an inexpensive modification that works so effortlessly that Stan ought to consider it as a factory option. My backstay adjuster has been absolutely bullet proof for 10 hard sailing seasons.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
07 Jul 98
________________________________
Thanks for your detailed description. Sounds like a good solution. Did you have any trouble getting to the back ends of the through- bolts? Seems like a long narrow reach. Can you get them from inside the lazarette?
Your mention of IMF mains got me thinking, since that's what we have. Maybe with the furling tube adding stiffness to the spar, I won't be able to induce much bend anyway, so prudence on cranking down the backstay is probably wise. It's also likely to have some ill effect on the performance of the furler, if the IMF furling tube isn't straight. My new forestay has a turnbuckle (required by the CDI furler), so I can do more adjusting there.
Your recommendations for adjusting the upper and lower shrouds will be very helpful, too. Thanks again.
Gary Sanford
s/v Raven
07 Jul 1998
________________________________
The Harken 144 swiveling base is mounted on the starboard side gunnel just in front of the backstay chainplate. The job will require 2 people, one down in the lazarette to hold the wrench and a helper up topside to turn the screwdriver. However, the gunnel is wide enough to easily reach up there with a wrench. You were probably thinking the swiveling base mounted on the top of the transom, which would be a very long narrow reach to get at the thru-bolts on the backside. It turns out the top of the transom isn't wide enough to mount the swiveling base.
My roller furler has a turnbuckle as well. This forestay turnbuckle is used to adjust the static rake of the mast when there is no backstay tension. For a conventional mainsail, the proper mast rake is about 2 deg to the rear. I don't know what an IMF mainsail requires for mast rake. You may have to experiment with mast rake until you get neutral helm. You may find the best you can do is have a slight lee helm in light air building up to neutral helm in a moderate breeze & then weather helm in heavy air. With an IMF mainsail, I would adjust the forward lower shrouds somewhat looser. Then, increasing backstay tension would simply increase the rearward rake of the mast without bending the mast. This would get you the forestay tension you need to be able to point to windward. The chances are your IMF mainsail isn't designed to respond to mast bend anyway. Remember, I have a fully battened conventional mainsail & I specified my mast bend parameters to the sailmaker when I ordered the sail. I would imagine bending an IMF mast & then operating the furling mechanism might cause the mainsail to chafe inside the mast & put a lot of stress on the furling mechanism's bearings. Is an IMF mast much stiffer than a conventional mast? I've never seen one off the boat. How much heavier is an IMF mast?
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
08 Jul 98
________________________________
Had the IMF apart 2 weeks ago. Any rake would be bad news, since the mainsail is wrapping around a tube with roller/spacers top and bottom. If the tube changes distances to the mast wall I do not think the sail would go in (i.e. the whole thing would jam up). The IMF is about two inches more fore/aft and about ? to 1-inch greater in width, than other masts on boats that size. It?s very stiff, but I have never seen the GB standard mast.
MJM
________________________________
The OD of the forestay wire & the rigidity of the headsail foil have very little to do with forestay sag. Forestay sag is primarily controlled by the amount of backstay tension + some secondary & tertiary effects caused by other details related to the way the standing rigging is setup. The use of 3/16" OD wire for the forestay permits the backstay adjuster to be really cranked down hard with no fear of forestay wire stretch or fatigue cycling. The use of the larger diameter wire also introduces an additional safety factor to compensate for corrosion, mechanical damage, etc.
I have my backstay adjuster setup on a Harken 144 swivel base, 150 Cam-Matic cleat, 071 stand-up spring, & 001 single 2.25" block mounted on the starboard side gunnel right at the transom. Backstay tension is quickly adjusted by pulling on the backstay control line thru the Cam-Matic cleat. The 144 swivel base & 150 Cam-Matic cleat allow the backstay tension to be adjusted from virtually any helm position. I used the 144 swivel base because the backstay adjuster is right near the boarding ladder where it might be accidentally stepped on. The large 144 swivel base is rigid enough to step on without damage, while the smaller Harken swivel bases can't take such abuse. The backstay adjuster control line is striped every 2" so that the backstay tension is reproducible.
My standing rigging is setup such that increasing the backstay tension simultaneously reduces headstay sag & bends the mast for flattening the mainsail. Both actions are desirable for sail shaping in heavy air. I have a fully battened conventional mainsail, which is cut very roachy & is designed to respond to mast bend by flattening. I use only one mainsail, but it has 2 jiffy reef points. Needless to say, backstay tension is one of the most important sail shaping controls on Dynamic Equilibrium.
Good grief! I just gave away a couple more racing secrets! Hopefully, no one else is listening.
I guess I don't understand your question re noticing any difference when the sail is fully extended given the weight. The only fully nylon sails are spinnakers. Did you mean, have I ever noticed a difference in light air behavior between a Dacron genoa & my Cruise-Lam genoa? If that's your question, the answer is the bi-radial Cruise-Lam genoa has a better sail shape under all conditions vs. the standard Dacron genoa. In heavy air, the Cruise-Lam + bi-radial construction genoa's sail shape is much better as the standard Dacron + cross-cut construction genoa becomes hopelessly distorted.
The secret of Cruise-Lam's longevity is the Dacron outer skins. The Dacron provides chafe, UV, fatigue resistance, & environmental pollution protection. The reinforcing Kevlar scrims & Mylar film core are buried inside the composite sandwich & are thus protected from the harsh outside world. Unprotected Kevlar & Mylar would be expected to only last one season or less in the marine environment.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
12 Jan 2002
________________________________
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 2:06 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem

Hi Brian,

On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, my 1978 Rhodes 22, I had a local wire rope rigging shop duplicate what I had when it was time to replace the double backstays.  As you described, it is one piece of cable bent in the middle around a SS thimble.  My backstay adjuster and sockets for the traveler bar are also like yours.  I used this backstay for many years with the GBI gen 2 traveler bar.  When it came time to upgrade to the latest Gen 3 traveler, it slipped right into place using the same backstays and sockets.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2024, at 1:46?PM, Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?To my fellow Rhodes traditional mast-ers,
> My current backstay consists of a single continuous piece of ss cable run
> bent through a thimble to mark the halfway point The thimble is the
> connecting point to the mast head. The two cable ends have stay adjusters.
> There are two single blocks on each side for a total of four, with one of
> which having a becket. Those blocks by the way, are attached to the
> backstay cable with a short piece of cable swaged on to the mainline.
> (Describing it is easier than drawing a picture). I know the blocks are for
> increasing the tension and adjusting underway. Bottom line, everything
> looks very homemade.
> The last time I asked about this, everyone said to purchase a new assembly
> with the traveler bar from GB. Does the latest GB version work for a
> traditional mast? Is there a height difference between the IMF mast and the
> traditional? Or do I just make a copy of what I have?
> Current price of the Backstay assembly is $425 if the webpage prices are
> still accurate. Next email is to Mr Gabriel.
> Thanks all.
> Brian
> NewIn76

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 13:03:50 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:03:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem
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Everyone i've shown my backstay assembly two has also commented on how
homemade it all looks, i do most of my tensioning via the deckhouse and
forestay but the block in the back snugs up too. I would prolly have liked
to see adjustable ends but i guess theres too much slack to takeup back
there.

Its not too bad to get a set of dies for properly terminating line!
Especially if you already have a press McMaster Carr is my goto for swage
fittings and the like.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 8:14?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> Attached below is a post from the archives re an improvement in the OEM
> backstay adjuster.  The OEM backstay adjuster does not lend itself to rapid
> and reproducible adjustments.  Especially if you want to race your boat,
> this is a quick, cheap and effective project.  It doesn't affect your PHRF
> rating either!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978  Sanford, MI
>
> ______________________________________________________
> I mounted a Harken #144 swiveling base with #150 CAM-MATIC cam cleat, #137
> eyestrap, #071 stand-up spring, and a 2.25" dia. block just in front of the
> starboard side backstay chainplate. The standard backstay adjuster line
> will thread up to this assembly like it was designed to be there. Thru-bolt
> the Harken swivel base to the gunnel with silicone RTV, four #10-24UNC X 1"
> stainless steel flat head machine screws and use a #10 stainless steel
> fender washer under each nut as a backing plate.
> Before drilling any holes, thread up the backstay adjuster line and
> experiment with the position of the swiveling base. You will find there is
> a sweet spot just in front of the chainplate where the line will run fairly
> into the block without chafing on the backstay or blocking the boarding
> ladder. Don't use the smaller Harken #205 swiveling base because the base
> is right near the boarding ladder & sooner or later, someone is bound to
> step on the swiveling arm. The Harken 144's swiveling arm can stand up to
> being stepped on and the 205's can't.
> The swiveling arm on the Harken 144 makes trimming the backstay adjuster
> very easy from either side of the cockpit. Be sure to mount the swiveling
> base so that the arc of the arm's movement won't allow the adjuster line to
> flop overboard. I marked my backstay adjuster line at 2" intervals with
> colored magic marker so I can reproduce the backstay tension.
> In order for the backstay adjuster to be able to cause any noticeable
> difference in lee or weather helm, you need to have the rest of the rig
> set-up properly. With only the slack taken out of the backstay tension, the
> inner (lower) shrouds have to be set quite tight. The outer (upper) shrouds
> just need to have the slack taken up. Sight up the mast and be certain the
> mast is not bent or leaning side-to-side or bent fore-and-aft.
> The mast should have a slight aft rake to it, about 2 deg max. Now when
> you tighten up the backstay, the forward lower shrouds will restrain the
> middle of the mast. The head of the mast will be pulled aft. This will
> simultaneously take up slack in the forestay and induce a slight bend in
> the mast. (Note: NOT recommended with IMF mainsails!)
> Tightening up the forestay is desirable for genoa sail shape when beating
> to weather. If your mainsail is properly cut and not blown out from old
> age, the mast bend will cause the mainsail shape to flatten out into an
> aerodynamic shape that is better for high winds and beating to weather. You
> will also move the sail plan's center of effort aft, thus inducing weather
> helm.
> This is an inexpensive modification that works so effortlessly that Stan
> ought to consider it as a factory option. My backstay adjuster has been
> absolutely bullet proof for 10 hard sailing seasons.
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 07 Jul 98
> ________________________________
> Thanks for your detailed description. Sounds like a good solution. Did you
> have any trouble getting to the back ends of the through- bolts? Seems like
> a long narrow reach. Can you get them from inside the lazarette?
> Your mention of IMF mains got me thinking, since that's what we have.
> Maybe with the furling tube adding stiffness to the spar, I won't be able
> to induce much bend anyway, so prudence on cranking down the backstay is
> probably wise. It's also likely to have some ill effect on the performance
> of the furler, if the IMF furling tube isn't straight. My new forestay has
> a turnbuckle (required by the CDI furler), so I can do more adjusting there.
> Your recommendations for adjusting the upper and lower shrouds will be
> very helpful, too. Thanks again.
> Gary Sanford
> s/v Raven
> 07 Jul 1998
> ________________________________
> The Harken 144 swiveling base is mounted on the starboard side gunnel just
> in front of the backstay chainplate. The job will require 2 people, one
> down in the lazarette to hold the wrench and a helper up topside to turn
> the screwdriver. However, the gunnel is wide enough to easily reach up
> there with a wrench. You were probably thinking the swiveling base mounted
> on the top of the transom, which would be a very long narrow reach to get
> at the thru-bolts on the backside. It turns out the top of the transom
> isn't wide enough to mount the swiveling base.
> My roller furler has a turnbuckle as well. This forestay turnbuckle is
> used to adjust the static rake of the mast when there is no backstay
> tension. For a conventional mainsail, the proper mast rake is about 2 deg
> to the rear. I don't know what an IMF mainsail requires for mast rake. You
> may have to experiment with mast rake until you get neutral helm. You may
> find the best you can do is have a slight lee helm in light air building up
> to neutral helm in a moderate breeze & then weather helm in heavy air. With
> an IMF mainsail, I would adjust the forward lower shrouds somewhat looser.
> Then, increasing backstay tension would simply increase the rearward rake
> of the mast without bending the mast. This would get you the forestay
> tension you need to be able to point to windward. The chances are your IMF
> mainsail isn't designed to respond to mast bend anyway. Remember, I have a
> fully battened conventional mainsail & I specified my mast bend parameters
> to the sailmaker when I ordered the sail. I would imagine bending an IMF
> mast & then operating the furling mechanism might cause the mainsail to
> chafe inside the mast & put a lot of stress on the furling mechanism's
> bearings. Is an IMF mast much stiffer than a conventional mast? I've never
> seen one off the boat. How much heavier is an IMF mast?
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 08 Jul 98
> ________________________________
> Had the IMF apart 2 weeks ago. Any rake would be bad news, since the
> mainsail is wrapping around a tube with roller/spacers top and bottom. If
> the tube changes distances to the mast wall I do not think the sail would
> go in (i.e. the whole thing would jam up). The IMF is about two inches more
> fore/aft and about ? to 1-inch greater in width, than other masts on boats
> that size. It?s very stiff, but I have never seen the GB standard mast.
> MJM
> ________________________________
> The OD of the forestay wire & the rigidity of the headsail foil have very
> little to do with forestay sag. Forestay sag is primarily controlled by the
> amount of backstay tension + some secondary & tertiary effects caused by
> other details related to the way the standing rigging is setup. The use of
> 3/16" OD wire for the forestay permits the backstay adjuster to be really
> cranked down hard with no fear of forestay wire stretch or fatigue cycling.
> The use of the larger diameter wire also introduces an additional safety
> factor to compensate for corrosion, mechanical damage, etc.
> I have my backstay adjuster setup on a Harken 144 swivel base, 150
> Cam-Matic cleat, 071 stand-up spring, & 001 single 2.25" block mounted on
> the starboard side gunnel right at the transom. Backstay tension is quickly
> adjusted by pulling on the backstay control line thru the Cam-Matic cleat.
> The 144 swivel base & 150 Cam-Matic cleat allow the backstay tension to be
> adjusted from virtually any helm position. I used the 144 swivel base
> because the backstay adjuster is right near the boarding ladder where it
> might be accidentally stepped on. The large 144 swivel base is rigid enough
> to step on without damage, while the smaller Harken swivel bases can't take
> such abuse. The backstay adjuster control line is striped every 2" so that
> the backstay tension is reproducible.
> My standing rigging is setup such that increasing the backstay tension
> simultaneously reduces headstay sag & bends the mast for flattening the
> mainsail. Both actions are desirable for sail shaping in heavy air. I have
> a fully battened conventional mainsail, which is cut very roachy & is
> designed to respond to mast bend by flattening. I use only one mainsail,
> but it has 2 jiffy reef points. Needless to say, backstay tension is one of
> the most important sail shaping controls on Dynamic Equilibrium.
> Good grief! I just gave away a couple more racing secrets! Hopefully, no
> one else is listening.
> I guess I don't understand your question re noticing any difference when
> the sail is fully extended given the weight. The only fully nylon sails are
> spinnakers. Did you mean, have I ever noticed a difference in light air
> behavior between a Dacron genoa & my Cruise-Lam genoa? If that's your
> question, the answer is the bi-radial Cruise-Lam genoa has a better sail
> shape under all conditions vs. the standard Dacron genoa. In heavy air, the
> Cruise-Lam + bi-radial construction genoa's sail shape is much better as
> the standard Dacron + cross-cut construction genoa becomes hopelessly
> distorted.
> The secret of Cruise-Lam's longevity is the Dacron outer skins. The Dacron
> provides chafe, UV, fatigue resistance, & environmental pollution
> protection. The reinforcing Kevlar scrims & Mylar film core are buried
> inside the composite sandwich & are thus protected from the harsh outside
> world. Unprotected Kevlar & Mylar would be expected to only last one season
> or less in the marine environment.
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 12 Jan 2002
> ________________________________
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 2:06 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, my 1978 Rhodes 22, I had a local wire rope
> rigging shop duplicate what I had when it was time to replace the double
> backstays.  As you described, it is one piece of cable bent in the middle
> around a SS thimble.  My backstay adjuster and sockets for the traveler bar
> are also like yours.  I used this backstay for many years with the GBI gen
> 2 traveler bar.  When it came time to upgrade to the latest Gen 3 traveler,
> it slipped right into place using the same backstays and sockets.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 22, 2024, at 1:46?PM, Brian Ferguson <
> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?To my fellow Rhodes traditional mast-ers,
> > My current backstay consists of a single continuous piece of ss cable run
> > bent through a thimble to mark the halfway point The thimble is the
> > connecting point to the mast head. The two cable ends have stay
> adjusters.
> > There are two single blocks on each side for a total of four, with one of
> > which having a becket. Those blocks by the way, are attached to the
> > backstay cable with a short piece of cable swaged on to the mainline.
> > (Describing it is easier than drawing a picture). I know the blocks are
> for
> > increasing the tension and adjusting underway. Bottom line, everything
> > looks very homemade.
> > The last time I asked about this, everyone said to purchase a new
> assembly
> > with the traveler bar from GB. Does the latest GB version work for a
> > traditional mast? Is there a height difference between the IMF mast and
> the
> > traditional? Or do I just make a copy of what I have?
> > Current price of the Backstay assembly is $425 if the webpage prices are
> > still accurate. Next email is to Mr Gabriel.
> > Thanks all.
> > Brian
> > NewIn76
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jul 23 13:47:52 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:47:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Parts--IMF Outhaul Car
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Have established prices for the individual components? Maybe a single "kit" price to replace all of the HDPE?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Kenwood _
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 10:26 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Parts--IMF Outhaul Car

Haha no problem! Once we makeup the CAD its really easy to make a bunch, and we've made a ton for my boat. Everything HDPE we replaced.

On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 7:54?AM Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow!!! I want one too!!
>
> Careful of what you say on this site!  lol.
>
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2024, at 10:51?PM, David Keyes <rhodes22dave at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Thanks.  It?s nice to know we have some resources to machine parts 
> > that
> will become unavailable at some point.  For now, I?ve ordered a GB 
> part through Charles.
> > David Keyes
> >
> >> On Jul 18, 2024, at 3:19?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thats a really simple part to machine, if you shoot me the 
> >> dimensions we could cut one up for you. Thats prolly HDPE and a lot 
> >> of my boat was
> made
> >> with those parts too. I re-machined every single one from billet
> aluminum.
> >> They'll never crack in the sun now!
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 4:48?PM David Keyes 
> >>> <rhodes22dave at gmail.com
> <mailto:rhodes22dave at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Charles, I believe from the R22 List that you are the contact for 
> >>> obtaining R22 parts.
> >>>
> >>> I need a part that (from memory of the last time I looked at the 
> >>> parts
> >>> list) is listed as an IMF Outhaul Car.  I have attached a picture 
> >>> of it from my boat.  You will see that the teflon-like sliding 
> >>> part broke
> along
> >>> the slot line into two pieces.  It does seem like a weak spot in 
> >>> the
> design.
> >>>
> >>> The broken part you see is an original part from my 2011 Rhodes 22
> that I
> >>> purchased new from Stan, to replace my 2001 Rhodes 22 that I also
> purchased
> >>> new from Stan and traded back to him.
> >>>
> >>> If you can provide this part, I will send delivery and credit 
> >>> card, or other, information as needed.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> David Keyes (cell phone or text 713-540-3616).
> >>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was 
> >>> scrubbed...
> >>> Name: Outhaul Car.jpeg
> >>> Type: image/jpeg
> >>> Size: 286917 bytes
> >>> Desc: not available
> >>> URL: <
> >>>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240717/4a693
> 955/attachment.jpeg
> >
>


From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 14:01:05 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:01:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Parts--IMF Outhaul Car
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I could come up with that! When I got my boat, everything HDPE had to be
replaced. It was a lot of pieces, luckily we kept all the CAD so we can
make more!

[image: showcase.jpg]


On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 1:54?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Have established prices for the individual components? Maybe a single
> "kit" price to replace all of the HDPE?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Kenwood _
> Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2024 10:26 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Parts--IMF Outhaul Car
>
> Haha no problem! Once we makeup the CAD its really easy to make a bunch,
> and we've made a ton for my boat. Everything HDPE we replaced.
>
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2024 at 7:54?AM Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow!!! I want one too!!
> >
> > Careful of what you say on this site!  lol.
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 20, 2024, at 10:51?PM, David Keyes <rhodes22dave at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Thanks.  It?s nice to know we have some resources to machine parts
> > > that
> > will become unavailable at some point.  For now, I?ve ordered a GB
> > part through Charles.
> > > David Keyes
> > >
> > >> On Jul 18, 2024, at 3:19?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thats a really simple part to machine, if you shoot me the
> > >> dimensions we could cut one up for you. Thats prolly HDPE and a lot
> > >> of my boat was
> > made
> > >> with those parts too. I re-machined every single one from billet
> > aluminum.
> > >> They'll never crack in the sun now!
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 4:48?PM David Keyes
> > >>> <rhodes22dave at gmail.com
> > <mailto:rhodes22dave at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Charles, I believe from the R22 List that you are the contact for
> > >>> obtaining R22 parts.
> > >>>
> > >>> I need a part that (from memory of the last time I looked at the
> > >>> parts
> > >>> list) is listed as an IMF Outhaul Car.  I have attached a picture
> > >>> of it from my boat.  You will see that the teflon-like sliding
> > >>> part broke
> > along
> > >>> the slot line into two pieces.  It does seem like a weak spot in
> > >>> the
> > design.
> > >>>
> > >>> The broken part you see is an original part from my 2011 Rhodes 22
> > that I
> > >>> purchased new from Stan, to replace my 2001 Rhodes 22 that I also
> > purchased
> > >>> new from Stan and traded back to him.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you can provide this part, I will send delivery and credit
> > >>> card, or other, information as needed.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> David Keyes (cell phone or text 713-540-3616).
> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was
> > >>> scrubbed...
> > >>> Name: Outhaul Car.jpeg
> > >>> Type: image/jpeg
> > >>> Size: 286917 bytes
> > >>> Desc: not available
> > >>> URL: <
> > >>>
> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240717/4a693
> > 955/attachment.jpeg
> > >
> >
>
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Jul 23 16:36:03 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:36:03 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem
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If you want to set your boat up to go fast and have good lee helm/weather helm balance; then, there is only one correct setting for the forestay length.  This length sets the static mast rake angle.  On my boat, the optimum static mast rake angle is ~2 degrees aft of straight up and down.  If the mast is raked forward from this position; then, you will experience lee helm and raked aft from this position causes weather helm.  (At least with full mainsail and 150% genoa) Also, if wind conditions change; then, it is useful to be able to quickly and reproducibly change the backstay tension to be able to achieve optimal sail shape.  My backstay adjuster is one of my primary sail shaping tools.

Roger Pihlaja 
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
1978. Sanford, MI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:04?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Everyone i've shown my backstay assembly two has also commented on how
> homemade it all looks, i do most of my tensioning via the deckhouse and
> forestay but the block in the back snugs up too. I would prolly have liked
> to see adjustable ends but i guess theres too much slack to takeup back
> there.
> 
> Its not too bad to get a set of dies for properly terminating line!
> Especially if you already have a press McMaster Carr is my goto for swage
> fittings and the like.
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 8:14?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian,
>> 
>> Attached below is a post from the archives re an improvement in the OEM
>> backstay adjuster.  The OEM backstay adjuster does not lend itself to rapid
>> and reproducible adjustments.  Especially if you want to race your boat,
>> this is a quick, cheap and effective project.  It doesn't affect your PHRF
>> rating either!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 1978  Sanford, MI
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________
>> I mounted a Harken #144 swiveling base with #150 CAM-MATIC cam cleat, #137
>> eyestrap, #071 stand-up spring, and a 2.25" dia. block just in front of the
>> starboard side backstay chainplate. The standard backstay adjuster line
>> will thread up to this assembly like it was designed to be there. Thru-bolt
>> the Harken swivel base to the gunnel with silicone RTV, four #10-24UNC X 1"
>> stainless steel flat head machine screws and use a #10 stainless steel
>> fender washer under each nut as a backing plate.
>> Before drilling any holes, thread up the backstay adjuster line and
>> experiment with the position of the swiveling base. You will find there is
>> a sweet spot just in front of the chainplate where the line will run fairly
>> into the block without chafing on the backstay or blocking the boarding
>> ladder. Don't use the smaller Harken #205 swiveling base because the base
>> is right near the boarding ladder & sooner or later, someone is bound to
>> step on the swiveling arm. The Harken 144's swiveling arm can stand up to
>> being stepped on and the 205's can't.
>> The swiveling arm on the Harken 144 makes trimming the backstay adjuster
>> very easy from either side of the cockpit. Be sure to mount the swiveling
>> base so that the arc of the arm's movement won't allow the adjuster line to
>> flop overboard. I marked my backstay adjuster line at 2" intervals with
>> colored magic marker so I can reproduce the backstay tension.
>> In order for the backstay adjuster to be able to cause any noticeable
>> difference in lee or weather helm, you need to have the rest of the rig
>> set-up properly. With only the slack taken out of the backstay tension, the
>> inner (lower) shrouds have to be set quite tight. The outer (upper) shrouds
>> just need to have the slack taken up. Sight up the mast and be certain the
>> mast is not bent or leaning side-to-side or bent fore-and-aft.
>> The mast should have a slight aft rake to it, about 2 deg max. Now when
>> you tighten up the backstay, the forward lower shrouds will restrain the
>> middle of the mast. The head of the mast will be pulled aft. This will
>> simultaneously take up slack in the forestay and induce a slight bend in
>> the mast. (Note: NOT recommended with IMF mainsails!)
>> Tightening up the forestay is desirable for genoa sail shape when beating
>> to weather. If your mainsail is properly cut and not blown out from old
>> age, the mast bend will cause the mainsail shape to flatten out into an
>> aerodynamic shape that is better for high winds and beating to weather. You
>> will also move the sail plan's center of effort aft, thus inducing weather
>> helm.
>> This is an inexpensive modification that works so effortlessly that Stan
>> ought to consider it as a factory option. My backstay adjuster has been
>> absolutely bullet proof for 10 hard sailing seasons.
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 07 Jul 98
>> ________________________________
>> Thanks for your detailed description. Sounds like a good solution. Did you
>> have any trouble getting to the back ends of the through- bolts? Seems like
>> a long narrow reach. Can you get them from inside the lazarette?
>> Your mention of IMF mains got me thinking, since that's what we have.
>> Maybe with the furling tube adding stiffness to the spar, I won't be able
>> to induce much bend anyway, so prudence on cranking down the backstay is
>> probably wise. It's also likely to have some ill effect on the performance
>> of the furler, if the IMF furling tube isn't straight. My new forestay has
>> a turnbuckle (required by the CDI furler), so I can do more adjusting there.
>> Your recommendations for adjusting the upper and lower shrouds will be
>> very helpful, too. Thanks again.
>> Gary Sanford
>> s/v Raven
>> 07 Jul 1998
>> ________________________________
>> The Harken 144 swiveling base is mounted on the starboard side gunnel just
>> in front of the backstay chainplate. The job will require 2 people, one
>> down in the lazarette to hold the wrench and a helper up topside to turn
>> the screwdriver. However, the gunnel is wide enough to easily reach up
>> there with a wrench. You were probably thinking the swiveling base mounted
>> on the top of the transom, which would be a very long narrow reach to get
>> at the thru-bolts on the backside. It turns out the top of the transom
>> isn't wide enough to mount the swiveling base.
>> My roller furler has a turnbuckle as well. This forestay turnbuckle is
>> used to adjust the static rake of the mast when there is no backstay
>> tension. For a conventional mainsail, the proper mast rake is about 2 deg
>> to the rear. I don't know what an IMF mainsail requires for mast rake. You
>> may have to experiment with mast rake until you get neutral helm. You may
>> find the best you can do is have a slight lee helm in light air building up
>> to neutral helm in a moderate breeze & then weather helm in heavy air. With
>> an IMF mainsail, I would adjust the forward lower shrouds somewhat looser.
>> Then, increasing backstay tension would simply increase the rearward rake
>> of the mast without bending the mast. This would get you the forestay
>> tension you need to be able to point to windward. The chances are your IMF
>> mainsail isn't designed to respond to mast bend anyway. Remember, I have a
>> fully battened conventional mainsail & I specified my mast bend parameters
>> to the sailmaker when I ordered the sail. I would imagine bending an IMF
>> mast & then operating the furling mechanism might cause the mainsail to
>> chafe inside the mast & put a lot of stress on the furling mechanism's
>> bearings. Is an IMF mast much stiffer than a conventional mast? I've never
>> seen one off the boat. How much heavier is an IMF mast?
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 08 Jul 98
>> ________________________________
>> Had the IMF apart 2 weeks ago. Any rake would be bad news, since the
>> mainsail is wrapping around a tube with roller/spacers top and bottom. If
>> the tube changes distances to the mast wall I do not think the sail would
>> go in (i.e. the whole thing would jam up). The IMF is about two inches more
>> fore/aft and about ? to 1-inch greater in width, than other masts on boats
>> that size. It?s very stiff, but I have never seen the GB standard mast.
>> MJM
>> ________________________________
>> The OD of the forestay wire & the rigidity of the headsail foil have very
>> little to do with forestay sag. Forestay sag is primarily controlled by the
>> amount of backstay tension + some secondary & tertiary effects caused by
>> other details related to the way the standing rigging is setup. The use of
>> 3/16" OD wire for the forestay permits the backstay adjuster to be really
>> cranked down hard with no fear of forestay wire stretch or fatigue cycling.
>> The use of the larger diameter wire also introduces an additional safety
>> factor to compensate for corrosion, mechanical damage, etc.
>> I have my backstay adjuster setup on a Harken 144 swivel base, 150
>> Cam-Matic cleat, 071 stand-up spring, & 001 single 2.25" block mounted on
>> the starboard side gunnel right at the transom. Backstay tension is quickly
>> adjusted by pulling on the backstay control line thru the Cam-Matic cleat.
>> The 144 swivel base & 150 Cam-Matic cleat allow the backstay tension to be
>> adjusted from virtually any helm position. I used the 144 swivel base
>> because the backstay adjuster is right near the boarding ladder where it
>> might be accidentally stepped on. The large 144 swivel base is rigid enough
>> to step on without damage, while the smaller Harken swivel bases can't take
>> such abuse. The backstay adjuster control line is striped every 2" so that
>> the backstay tension is reproducible.
>> My standing rigging is setup such that increasing the backstay tension
>> simultaneously reduces headstay sag & bends the mast for flattening the
>> mainsail. Both actions are desirable for sail shaping in heavy air. I have
>> a fully battened conventional mainsail, which is cut very roachy & is
>> designed to respond to mast bend by flattening. I use only one mainsail,
>> but it has 2 jiffy reef points. Needless to say, backstay tension is one of
>> the most important sail shaping controls on Dynamic Equilibrium.
>> Good grief! I just gave away a couple more racing secrets! Hopefully, no
>> one else is listening.
>> I guess I don't understand your question re noticing any difference when
>> the sail is fully extended given the weight. The only fully nylon sails are
>> spinnakers. Did you mean, have I ever noticed a difference in light air
>> behavior between a Dacron genoa & my Cruise-Lam genoa? If that's your
>> question, the answer is the bi-radial Cruise-Lam genoa has a better sail
>> shape under all conditions vs. the standard Dacron genoa. In heavy air, the
>> Cruise-Lam + bi-radial construction genoa's sail shape is much better as
>> the standard Dacron + cross-cut construction genoa becomes hopelessly
>> distorted.
>> The secret of Cruise-Lam's longevity is the Dacron outer skins. The Dacron
>> provides chafe, UV, fatigue resistance, & environmental pollution
>> protection. The reinforcing Kevlar scrims & Mylar film core are buried
>> inside the composite sandwich & are thus protected from the harsh outside
>> world. Unprotected Kevlar & Mylar would be expected to only last one season
>> or less in the marine environment.
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 12 Jan 2002
>> ________________________________
>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 2:06 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem
>> 
>> Hi Brian,
>> 
>> On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, my 1978 Rhodes 22, I had a local wire rope
>> rigging shop duplicate what I had when it was time to replace the double
>> backstays.  As you described, it is one piece of cable bent in the middle
>> around a SS thimble.  My backstay adjuster and sockets for the traveler bar
>> are also like yours.  I used this backstay for many years with the GBI gen
>> 2 traveler bar.  When it came time to upgrade to the latest Gen 3 traveler,
>> it slipped right into place using the same backstays and sockets.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 22, 2024, at 1:46?PM, Brian Ferguson <
>> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?To my fellow Rhodes traditional mast-ers,
>>> My current backstay consists of a single continuous piece of ss cable run
>>> bent through a thimble to mark the halfway point The thimble is the
>>> connecting point to the mast head. The two cable ends have stay
>> adjusters.
>>> There are two single blocks on each side for a total of four, with one of
>>> which having a becket. Those blocks by the way, are attached to the
>>> backstay cable with a short piece of cable swaged on to the mainline.
>>> (Describing it is easier than drawing a picture). I know the blocks are
>> for
>>> increasing the tension and adjusting underway. Bottom line, everything
>>> looks very homemade.
>>> The last time I asked about this, everyone said to purchase a new
>> assembly
>>> with the traveler bar from GB. Does the latest GB version work for a
>>> traditional mast? Is there a height difference between the IMF mast and
>> the
>>> traditional? Or do I just make a copy of what I have?
>>> Current price of the Backstay assembly is $425 if the webpage prices are
>>> still accurate. Next email is to Mr Gabriel.
>>> Thanks all.
>>> Brian
>>> NewIn76
>> 

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 24 22:08:03 2024
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:08:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem
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Roger,
Your boat wisdom is well appreciated. I would appreciate your insights as I find a new skipper for s/v Mary Jane, my '86 with IMF. I really want to keep it connected within the fleet, although I have a broker connection interested.
You may know of an interested would be skipper who wants to upgrade to a boat in very good condition with only one issue, the stored rudder was destroyed in a fire. The cost of the boat/trailer combo will be most reasonable.?
Any response should be directed only to my email and I will be most responsive to an early message.?
Thank you, Roger.
Art Czerwonky?Atlanta?
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From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 24 22:24:21 2024
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 02:24:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '86 R22 available
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Does anyone have John Locks email address?
Thx, Art Czerwonky?

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   ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Cc:  Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem  Roger,
Your boat wisdom is well appreciated. I would appreciate your insights as I find a new skipper for s/v Mary Jane, my '86 with IMF. I really want to keep it connected within the fleet, although I have a broker connection interested.
You may know of an interested would be skipper who wants to upgrade to a boat in very good condition with only one issue, the stored rudder was destroyed in a fire. The cost of the boat/trailer combo will be most reasonable.?
Any response should be directed only to my email and I will be most responsive to an early message.?
Thank you, Roger.
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From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 11:50:21 2024
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Very interesting, I'll keep that in mind thanks!

On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 7:04?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> If you want to set your boat up to go fast and have good lee helm/weather
> helm balance; then, there is only one correct setting for the forestay
> length.  This length sets the static mast rake angle.  On my boat, the
> optimum static mast rake angle is ~2 degrees aft of straight up and down.
> If the mast is raked forward from this position; then, you will experience
> lee helm and raked aft from this position causes weather helm.  (At least
> with full mainsail and 150% genoa) Also, if wind conditions change; then,
> it is useful to be able to quickly and reproducibly change the backstay
> tension to be able to achieve optimal sail shape.  My backstay adjuster is
> one of my primary sail shaping tools.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:04?PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Everyone i've shown my backstay assembly two has also commented on how
> > homemade it all looks, i do most of my tensioning via the deckhouse and
> > forestay but the block in the back snugs up too. I would prolly have
> liked
> > to see adjustable ends but i guess theres too much slack to takeup back
> > there.
> >
> > Its not too bad to get a set of dies for properly terminating line!
> > Especially if you already have a press McMaster Carr is my goto for swage
> > fittings and the like.
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 8:14?AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Brian,
> >>
> >> Attached below is a post from the archives re an improvement in the OEM
> >> backstay adjuster.  The OEM backstay adjuster does not lend itself to
> rapid
> >> and reproducible adjustments.  Especially if you want to race your boat,
> >> this is a quick, cheap and effective project.  It doesn't affect your
> PHRF
> >> rating either!
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 1978  Sanford, MI
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________
> >> I mounted a Harken #144 swiveling base with #150 CAM-MATIC cam cleat,
> #137
> >> eyestrap, #071 stand-up spring, and a 2.25" dia. block just in front of
> the
> >> starboard side backstay chainplate. The standard backstay adjuster line
> >> will thread up to this assembly like it was designed to be there.
> Thru-bolt
> >> the Harken swivel base to the gunnel with silicone RTV, four #10-24UNC
> X 1"
> >> stainless steel flat head machine screws and use a #10 stainless steel
> >> fender washer under each nut as a backing plate.
> >> Before drilling any holes, thread up the backstay adjuster line and
> >> experiment with the position of the swiveling base. You will find there
> is
> >> a sweet spot just in front of the chainplate where the line will run
> fairly
> >> into the block without chafing on the backstay or blocking the boarding
> >> ladder. Don't use the smaller Harken #205 swiveling base because the
> base
> >> is right near the boarding ladder & sooner or later, someone is bound to
> >> step on the swiveling arm. The Harken 144's swiveling arm can stand up
> to
> >> being stepped on and the 205's can't.
> >> The swiveling arm on the Harken 144 makes trimming the backstay adjuster
> >> very easy from either side of the cockpit. Be sure to mount the
> swiveling
> >> base so that the arc of the arm's movement won't allow the adjuster
> line to
> >> flop overboard. I marked my backstay adjuster line at 2" intervals with
> >> colored magic marker so I can reproduce the backstay tension.
> >> In order for the backstay adjuster to be able to cause any noticeable
> >> difference in lee or weather helm, you need to have the rest of the rig
> >> set-up properly. With only the slack taken out of the backstay tension,
> the
> >> inner (lower) shrouds have to be set quite tight. The outer (upper)
> shrouds
> >> just need to have the slack taken up. Sight up the mast and be certain
> the
> >> mast is not bent or leaning side-to-side or bent fore-and-aft.
> >> The mast should have a slight aft rake to it, about 2 deg max. Now when
> >> you tighten up the backstay, the forward lower shrouds will restrain the
> >> middle of the mast. The head of the mast will be pulled aft. This will
> >> simultaneously take up slack in the forestay and induce a slight bend in
> >> the mast. (Note: NOT recommended with IMF mainsails!)
> >> Tightening up the forestay is desirable for genoa sail shape when
> beating
> >> to weather. If your mainsail is properly cut and not blown out from old
> >> age, the mast bend will cause the mainsail shape to flatten out into an
> >> aerodynamic shape that is better for high winds and beating to weather.
> You
> >> will also move the sail plan's center of effort aft, thus inducing
> weather
> >> helm.
> >> This is an inexpensive modification that works so effortlessly that Stan
> >> ought to consider it as a factory option. My backstay adjuster has been
> >> absolutely bullet proof for 10 hard sailing seasons.
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 07 Jul 98
> >> ________________________________
> >> Thanks for your detailed description. Sounds like a good solution. Did
> you
> >> have any trouble getting to the back ends of the through- bolts? Seems
> like
> >> a long narrow reach. Can you get them from inside the lazarette?
> >> Your mention of IMF mains got me thinking, since that's what we have.
> >> Maybe with the furling tube adding stiffness to the spar, I won't be
> able
> >> to induce much bend anyway, so prudence on cranking down the backstay is
> >> probably wise. It's also likely to have some ill effect on the
> performance
> >> of the furler, if the IMF furling tube isn't straight. My new forestay
> has
> >> a turnbuckle (required by the CDI furler), so I can do more adjusting
> there.
> >> Your recommendations for adjusting the upper and lower shrouds will be
> >> very helpful, too. Thanks again.
> >> Gary Sanford
> >> s/v Raven
> >> 07 Jul 1998
> >> ________________________________
> >> The Harken 144 swiveling base is mounted on the starboard side gunnel
> just
> >> in front of the backstay chainplate. The job will require 2 people, one
> >> down in the lazarette to hold the wrench and a helper up topside to turn
> >> the screwdriver. However, the gunnel is wide enough to easily reach up
> >> there with a wrench. You were probably thinking the swiveling base
> mounted
> >> on the top of the transom, which would be a very long narrow reach to
> get
> >> at the thru-bolts on the backside. It turns out the top of the transom
> >> isn't wide enough to mount the swiveling base.
> >> My roller furler has a turnbuckle as well. This forestay turnbuckle is
> >> used to adjust the static rake of the mast when there is no backstay
> >> tension. For a conventional mainsail, the proper mast rake is about 2
> deg
> >> to the rear. I don't know what an IMF mainsail requires for mast rake.
> You
> >> may have to experiment with mast rake until you get neutral helm. You
> may
> >> find the best you can do is have a slight lee helm in light air
> building up
> >> to neutral helm in a moderate breeze & then weather helm in heavy air.
> With
> >> an IMF mainsail, I would adjust the forward lower shrouds somewhat
> looser.
> >> Then, increasing backstay tension would simply increase the rearward
> rake
> >> of the mast without bending the mast. This would get you the forestay
> >> tension you need to be able to point to windward. The chances are your
> IMF
> >> mainsail isn't designed to respond to mast bend anyway. Remember, I
> have a
> >> fully battened conventional mainsail & I specified my mast bend
> parameters
> >> to the sailmaker when I ordered the sail. I would imagine bending an IMF
> >> mast & then operating the furling mechanism might cause the mainsail to
> >> chafe inside the mast & put a lot of stress on the furling mechanism's
> >> bearings. Is an IMF mast much stiffer than a conventional mast? I've
> never
> >> seen one off the boat. How much heavier is an IMF mast?
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 08 Jul 98
> >> ________________________________
> >> Had the IMF apart 2 weeks ago. Any rake would be bad news, since the
> >> mainsail is wrapping around a tube with roller/spacers top and bottom.
> If
> >> the tube changes distances to the mast wall I do not think the sail
> would
> >> go in (i.e. the whole thing would jam up). The IMF is about two inches
> more
> >> fore/aft and about ? to 1-inch greater in width, than other masts on
> boats
> >> that size. It?s very stiff, but I have never seen the GB standard mast.
> >> MJM
> >> ________________________________
> >> The OD of the forestay wire & the rigidity of the headsail foil have
> very
> >> little to do with forestay sag. Forestay sag is primarily controlled by
> the
> >> amount of backstay tension + some secondary & tertiary effects caused by
> >> other details related to the way the standing rigging is setup. The use
> of
> >> 3/16" OD wire for the forestay permits the backstay adjuster to be
> really
> >> cranked down hard with no fear of forestay wire stretch or fatigue
> cycling.
> >> The use of the larger diameter wire also introduces an additional safety
> >> factor to compensate for corrosion, mechanical damage, etc.
> >> I have my backstay adjuster setup on a Harken 144 swivel base, 150
> >> Cam-Matic cleat, 071 stand-up spring, & 001 single 2.25" block mounted
> on
> >> the starboard side gunnel right at the transom. Backstay tension is
> quickly
> >> adjusted by pulling on the backstay control line thru the Cam-Matic
> cleat.
> >> The 144 swivel base & 150 Cam-Matic cleat allow the backstay tension to
> be
> >> adjusted from virtually any helm position. I used the 144 swivel base
> >> because the backstay adjuster is right near the boarding ladder where it
> >> might be accidentally stepped on. The large 144 swivel base is rigid
> enough
> >> to step on without damage, while the smaller Harken swivel bases can't
> take
> >> such abuse. The backstay adjuster control line is striped every 2" so
> that
> >> the backstay tension is reproducible.
> >> My standing rigging is setup such that increasing the backstay tension
> >> simultaneously reduces headstay sag & bends the mast for flattening the
> >> mainsail. Both actions are desirable for sail shaping in heavy air. I
> have
> >> a fully battened conventional mainsail, which is cut very roachy & is
> >> designed to respond to mast bend by flattening. I use only one mainsail,
> >> but it has 2 jiffy reef points. Needless to say, backstay tension is
> one of
> >> the most important sail shaping controls on Dynamic Equilibrium.
> >> Good grief! I just gave away a couple more racing secrets! Hopefully, no
> >> one else is listening.
> >> I guess I don't understand your question re noticing any difference when
> >> the sail is fully extended given the weight. The only fully nylon sails
> are
> >> spinnakers. Did you mean, have I ever noticed a difference in light air
> >> behavior between a Dacron genoa & my Cruise-Lam genoa? If that's your
> >> question, the answer is the bi-radial Cruise-Lam genoa has a better sail
> >> shape under all conditions vs. the standard Dacron genoa. In heavy air,
> the
> >> Cruise-Lam + bi-radial construction genoa's sail shape is much better as
> >> the standard Dacron + cross-cut construction genoa becomes hopelessly
> >> distorted.
> >> The secret of Cruise-Lam's longevity is the Dacron outer skins. The
> Dacron
> >> provides chafe, UV, fatigue resistance, & environmental pollution
> >> protection. The reinforcing Kevlar scrims & Mylar film core are buried
> >> inside the composite sandwich & are thus protected from the harsh
> outside
> >> world. Unprotected Kevlar & Mylar would be expected to only last one
> season
> >> or less in the marine environment.
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 12 Jan 2002
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 2:06 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traditional Mast Backstay problem
> >>
> >> Hi Brian,
> >>
> >> On S/V Dynamic Equilibrium, my 1978 Rhodes 22, I had a local wire rope
> >> rigging shop duplicate what I had when it was time to replace the double
> >> backstays.  As you described, it is one piece of cable bent in the
> middle
> >> around a SS thimble.  My backstay adjuster and sockets for the traveler
> bar
> >> are also like yours.  I used this backstay for many years with the GBI
> gen
> >> 2 traveler bar.  When it came time to upgrade to the latest Gen 3
> traveler,
> >> it slipped right into place using the same backstays and sockets.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 1978. Sanford, MI
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 22, 2024, at 1:46?PM, Brian Ferguson <
> >> brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?To my fellow Rhodes traditional mast-ers,
> >>> My current backstay consists of a single continuous piece of ss cable
> run
> >>> bent through a thimble to mark the halfway point The thimble is the
> >>> connecting point to the mast head. The two cable ends have stay
> >> adjusters.
> >>> There are two single blocks on each side for a total of four, with one
> of
> >>> which having a becket. Those blocks by the way, are attached to the
> >>> backstay cable with a short piece of cable swaged on to the mainline.
> >>> (Describing it is easier than drawing a picture). I know the blocks are
> >> for
> >>> increasing the tension and adjusting underway. Bottom line, everything
> >>> looks very homemade.
> >>> The last time I asked about this, everyone said to purchase a new
> >> assembly
> >>> with the traveler bar from GB. Does the latest GB version work for a
> >>> traditional mast? Is there a height difference between the IMF mast and
> >> the
> >>> traditional? Or do I just make a copy of what I have?
> >>> Current price of the Backstay assembly is $425 if the webpage prices
> are
> >>> still accurate. Next email is to Mr Gabriel.
> >>> Thanks all.
> >>> Brian
> >>> NewIn76
> >>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jul 25 12:35:56 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:35:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] John Lock
In-Reply-To: <1259605164.4813655.1721874261797@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <MN2PR10MB42886EA5F923C2B529459EB580A92@MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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 <1259605164.4813655.1721874261797@mail.yahoo.com>
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jlock at relevantarts.com last I heard.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 10:24 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '86 R22 available

Does anyone have John Locks email address?
Thx, Art Czerwonky 

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From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 14:27:18 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:27:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
Message-ID: <CABvjUT0CAj4zoMsB0_FrF0516QhykUDpdDsv8Rp+Q6mN8s5KHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello again forum! Once again I'm looking for dimensions off your
more-complete/original boats~

When i launched mine for the first time we laid the mast on the back
railing when fitting it into the tabernacle, this worked! as long as we
removed the deckhouse pop-top, because the angle with the back railing was
far too steep! The top had to be removed first. Which while not the worst
thing, was not very convenient.

I've heard that there exist or existed poles to lift the mast up in the
cockpit. Here is one such on sv airpower
[image: image.png]
Anyway, i'd like to replicate that! So i dont have to keep taking off the
roof, what height is yours at? Does it need to fold? Im planning rn on
making a simple wooden truss structure that can also serve to organize the
shrouds and such.

Appreciate your comments and input thank you!
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Jul 25 14:44:39 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:44:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
In-Reply-To: <CABvjUT0CAj4zoMsB0_FrF0516QhykUDpdDsv8Rp+Q6mN8s5KHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABvjUT0CAj4zoMsB0_FrF0516QhykUDpdDsv8Rp+Q6mN8s5KHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB802A8C-FAAE-4E1B-93A6-69DE86EFE288@stottarchitecture.com>

I built one out of Treated 5/4 x 4.  I used a saber saw to cut a 3? deep notch the bottoms so they fit over the transom. 
I was 6? high off the transom.
I drilled a couple of holes at Stern Rail height so I could lash it to the rail. 
It worked ok, but it was heavy and a roller at the top makes sliding the mast from the bow puppet to the tabernacle kind of difficult. 
I got a fee home made oe from a guy in Jersey - it needs to modified also, but it has a roller at the top - makes a huge difference. 
Easily fabricated out of 1-1/2? or 2? thick wall  aluminum tube with a 2? PVC pipe over a couple of rubber wheels on a 1/$? threaded rod drilled thru the top. 
Don?t forget cross brace reinforcement. 
I used 5? x ? pieces (2 each pipe) of  HDME for the notched  brackets that slip over the transom.  They are thru bolted to the 2? vertical tubes w/ 1/4? x 3-1/2? SS machine screws.  
Have fun 
Ric 
DAdventure 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello again forum! Once again I'm looking for dimensions off your
> more-complete/original boats~
> 
> When i launched mine for the first time we laid the mast on the back
> railing when fitting it into the tabernacle, this worked! as long as we
> removed the deckhouse pop-top, because the angle with the back railing was
> far too steep! The top had to be removed first. Which while not the worst
> thing, was not very convenient.
> 
> I've heard that there exist or existed poles to lift the mast up in the
> cockpit. Here is one such on sv airpower
> [image: image.png]
> Anyway, i'd like to replicate that! So i dont have to keep taking off the
> roof, what height is yours at? Does it need to fold? Im planning rn on
> making a simple wooden truss structure that can also serve to organize the
> shrouds and such.
> 
> Appreciate your comments and input thank you!
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From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 15:17:28 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:17:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
In-Reply-To: <AB802A8C-FAAE-4E1B-93A6-69DE86EFE288@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <CABvjUT0CAj4zoMsB0_FrF0516QhykUDpdDsv8Rp+Q6mN8s5KHQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABvjUT1VZS1VSydWYKhaKF8VmY0tXgQFV+v8_7Kou9sZxUp3xw@mail.gmail.com>

Having it hook onto the transom and stay upright using the railing is a
good idea, I like that :) Less wood too than making a freestanding truss
that sits on the cockpit floor, thanks! That is some good info to consider.

I'll machine a big roller up on the lathe. Cool! And thanks for the height
dimension!

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 2:54?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> I built one out of Treated 5/4 x 4.  I used a saber saw to cut a 3? deep
> notch the bottoms so they fit over the transom.
> I was 6? high off the transom.
> I drilled a couple of holes at Stern Rail height so I could lash it to the
> rail.
> It worked ok, but it was heavy and a roller at the top makes sliding the
> mast from the bow puppet to the tabernacle kind of difficult.
> I got a fee home made oe from a guy in Jersey - it needs to modified also,
> but it has a roller at the top - makes a huge difference.
> Easily fabricated out of 1-1/2? or 2? thick wall  aluminum tube with a 2?
> PVC pipe over a couple of rubber wheels on a 1/$? threaded rod drilled thru
> the top.
> Don?t forget cross brace reinforcement.
> I used 5? x ? pieces (2 each pipe) of  HDME for the notched  brackets that
> slip over the transom.  They are thru bolted to the 2? vertical tubes w/
> 1/4? x 3-1/2? SS machine screws.
> Have fun
> Ric
> DAdventure
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello again forum! Once again I'm looking for dimensions off your
> > more-complete/original boats~
> >
> > When i launched mine for the first time we laid the mast on the back
> > railing when fitting it into the tabernacle, this worked! as long as we
> > removed the deckhouse pop-top, because the angle with the back railing
> was
> > far too steep! The top had to be removed first. Which while not the worst
> > thing, was not very convenient.
> >
> > I've heard that there exist or existed poles to lift the mast up in the
> > cockpit. Here is one such on sv airpower
> > [image: image.png]
> > Anyway, i'd like to replicate that! So i dont have to keep taking off the
> > roof, what height is yours at? Does it need to fold? Im planning rn on
> > making a simple wooden truss structure that can also serve to organize
> the
> > shrouds and such.
> >
> > Appreciate your comments and input thank you!
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> >
>
>

From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 15:27:30 2024
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:27:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
In-Reply-To: <CABvjUT1VZS1VSydWYKhaKF8VmY0tXgQFV+v8_7Kou9sZxUp3xw@mail.gmail.com>
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Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.  This pic
is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on top are I
don't think those came with it.
-Patrick


On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:17?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Having it hook onto the transom and stay upright using the railing is a
> good idea, I like that :) Less wood too than making a freestanding truss
> that sits on the cockpit floor, thanks! That is some good info to consider.
>
> I'll machine a big roller up on the lathe. Cool! And thanks for the height
> dimension!
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 2:54?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I built one out of Treated 5/4 x 4.  I used a saber saw to cut a 3? deep
> > notch the bottoms so they fit over the transom.
> > I was 6? high off the transom.
> > I drilled a couple of holes at Stern Rail height so I could lash it to
> the
> > rail.
> > It worked ok, but it was heavy and a roller at the top makes sliding the
> > mast from the bow puppet to the tabernacle kind of difficult.
> > I got a fee home made oe from a guy in Jersey - it needs to modified
> also,
> > but it has a roller at the top - makes a huge difference.
> > Easily fabricated out of 1-1/2? or 2? thick wall  aluminum tube with a 2?
> > PVC pipe over a couple of rubber wheels on a 1/$? threaded rod drilled
> thru
> > the top.
> > Don?t forget cross brace reinforcement.
> > I used 5? x ? pieces (2 each pipe) of  HDME for the notched  brackets
> that
> > slip over the transom.  They are thru bolted to the 2? vertical tubes w/
> > 1/4? x 3-1/2? SS machine screws.
> > Have fun
> > Ric
> > DAdventure
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello again forum! Once again I'm looking for dimensions off your
> > > more-complete/original boats~
> > >
> > > When i launched mine for the first time we laid the mast on the back
> > > railing when fitting it into the tabernacle, this worked! as long as we
> > > removed the deckhouse pop-top, because the angle with the back railing
> > was
> > > far too steep! The top had to be removed first. Which while not the
> worst
> > > thing, was not very convenient.
> > >
> > > I've heard that there exist or existed poles to lift the mast up in the
> > > cockpit. Here is one such on sv airpower
> > > [image: image.png]
> > > Anyway, i'd like to replicate that! So i dont have to keep taking off
> the
> > > roof, what height is yours at? Does it need to fold? Im planning rn on
> > > making a simple wooden truss structure that can also serve to organize
> > the
> > > shrouds and such.
> > >
> > > Appreciate your comments and input thank you!
> > > -------------- next part --------------
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> >
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> > >
> >
> >
>

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 15:30:11 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:30:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
In-Reply-To: <CAJGJx+Am8UokMOvjwN_hGB8Xmcz=ZDwmmeXrPcrv0BQCCV5E1w@mail.gmail.com>
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I dont think it attached correctly?

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.  This pic
> is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on top are I
> don't think those came with it.
> -Patrick
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:17?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Having it hook onto the transom and stay upright using the railing is a
> > good idea, I like that :) Less wood too than making a freestanding truss
> > that sits on the cockpit floor, thanks! That is some good info to
> consider.
> >
> > I'll machine a big roller up on the lathe. Cool! And thanks for the
> height
> > dimension!
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 2:54?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I built one out of Treated 5/4 x 4.  I used a saber saw to cut a 3?
> deep
> > > notch the bottoms so they fit over the transom.
> > > I was 6? high off the transom.
> > > I drilled a couple of holes at Stern Rail height so I could lash it to
> > the
> > > rail.
> > > It worked ok, but it was heavy and a roller at the top makes sliding
> the
> > > mast from the bow puppet to the tabernacle kind of difficult.
> > > I got a fee home made oe from a guy in Jersey - it needs to modified
> > also,
> > > but it has a roller at the top - makes a huge difference.
> > > Easily fabricated out of 1-1/2? or 2? thick wall  aluminum tube with a
> 2?
> > > PVC pipe over a couple of rubber wheels on a 1/$? threaded rod drilled
> > thru
> > > the top.
> > > Don?t forget cross brace reinforcement.
> > > I used 5? x ? pieces (2 each pipe) of  HDME for the notched  brackets
> > that
> > > slip over the transom.  They are thru bolted to the 2? vertical tubes
> w/
> > > 1/4? x 3-1/2? SS machine screws.
> > > Have fun
> > > Ric
> > > DAdventure
> > >
> > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > O -631-283-1777
> > > C- 516-965-3164
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello again forum! Once again I'm looking for dimensions off your
> > > > more-complete/original boats~
> > > >
> > > > When i launched mine for the first time we laid the mast on the back
> > > > railing when fitting it into the tabernacle, this worked! as long as
> we
> > > > removed the deckhouse pop-top, because the angle with the back
> railing
> > > was
> > > > far too steep! The top had to be removed first. Which while not the
> > worst
> > > > thing, was not very convenient.
> > > >
> > > > I've heard that there exist or existed poles to lift the mast up in
> the
> > > > cockpit. Here is one such on sv airpower
> > > > [image: image.png]
> > > > Anyway, i'd like to replicate that! So i dont have to keep taking off
> > the
> > > > roof, what height is yours at? Does it need to fold? Im planning rn
> on
> > > > making a simple wooden truss structure that can also serve to
> organize
> > > the
> > > > shrouds and such.
> > > >
> > > > Appreciate your comments and input thank you!
> > > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > > Name: image.png
> > > > Type: image/png
> > > > Size: 610985 bytes
> > > > Desc: not available
> > > > URL: <
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240725/1bab4666/attachment.png
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 15:30:56 2024
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:30:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
In-Reply-To: <CABvjUT1k5f=D0PgwKDGDNNKwX+CZtnPgYov2zB4XRKb6mJESyw@mail.gmail.com>
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[image: IMG_20230625_143545.jpg]

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:30?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I dont think it attached correctly?
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.  This
> pic
> > is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on top are I
> > don't think those came with it.
> > -Patrick
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:17?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Having it hook onto the transom and stay upright using the railing is a
> > > good idea, I like that :) Less wood too than making a freestanding
> truss
> > > that sits on the cockpit floor, thanks! That is some good info to
> > consider.
> > >
> > > I'll machine a big roller up on the lathe. Cool! And thanks for the
> > height
> > > dimension!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 2:54?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I built one out of Treated 5/4 x 4.  I used a saber saw to cut a 3?
> > deep
> > > > notch the bottoms so they fit over the transom.
> > > > I was 6? high off the transom.
> > > > I drilled a couple of holes at Stern Rail height so I could lash it
> to
> > > the
> > > > rail.
> > > > It worked ok, but it was heavy and a roller at the top makes sliding
> > the
> > > > mast from the bow puppet to the tabernacle kind of difficult.
> > > > I got a fee home made oe from a guy in Jersey - it needs to modified
> > > also,
> > > > but it has a roller at the top - makes a huge difference.
> > > > Easily fabricated out of 1-1/2? or 2? thick wall  aluminum tube with
> a
> > 2?
> > > > PVC pipe over a couple of rubber wheels on a 1/$? threaded rod
> drilled
> > > thru
> > > > the top.
> > > > Don?t forget cross brace reinforcement.
> > > > I used 5? x ? pieces (2 each pipe) of  HDME for the notched  brackets
> > > that
> > > > slip over the transom.  They are thru bolted to the 2? vertical tubes
> > w/
> > > > 1/4? x 3-1/2? SS machine screws.
> > > > Have fun
> > > > Ric
> > > > DAdventure
> > > >
> > > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > > > O -631-283-1777
> > > > C- 516-965-3164
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello again forum! Once again I'm looking for dimensions off your
> > > > > more-complete/original boats~
> > > > >
> > > > > When i launched mine for the first time we laid the mast on the
> back
> > > > > railing when fitting it into the tabernacle, this worked! as long
> as
> > we
> > > > > removed the deckhouse pop-top, because the angle with the back
> > railing
> > > > was
> > > > > far too steep! The top had to be removed first. Which while not the
> > > worst
> > > > > thing, was not very convenient.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've heard that there exist or existed poles to lift the mast up in
> > the
> > > > > cockpit. Here is one such on sv airpower
> > > > > [image: image.png]
> > > > > Anyway, i'd like to replicate that! So i dont have to keep taking
> off
> > > the
> > > > > roof, what height is yours at? Does it need to fold? Im planning rn
> > on
> > > > > making a simple wooden truss structure that can also serve to
> > organize
> > > > the
> > > > > shrouds and such.
> > > > >
> > > > > Appreciate your comments and input thank you!
> > > > > -------------- next part --------------
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> > > > > URL: <
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240725/1bab4666/attachment.png
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 15:33:35 2024
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:33:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
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DId that work?
I don't see my posts until someone replies.
Patrick


On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:30?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:

> [image: IMG_20230625_143545.jpg]
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:30?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I dont think it attached correctly?
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.  This
>> pic
>> > is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on top are I
>> > don't think those came with it.
>> > -Patrick
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:17?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Having it hook onto the transom and stay upright using the railing is
>> a
>> > > good idea, I like that :) Less wood too than making a freestanding
>> truss
>> > > that sits on the cockpit floor, thanks! That is some good info to
>> > consider.
>> > >
>> > > I'll machine a big roller up on the lathe. Cool! And thanks for the
>> > height
>> > > dimension!
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 2:54?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I built one out of Treated 5/4 x 4.  I used a saber saw to cut a 3?
>> > deep
>> > > > notch the bottoms so they fit over the transom.
>> > > > I was 6? high off the transom.
>> > > > I drilled a couple of holes at Stern Rail height so I could lash it
>> to
>> > > the
>> > > > rail.
>> > > > It worked ok, but it was heavy and a roller at the top makes sliding
>> > the
>> > > > mast from the bow puppet to the tabernacle kind of difficult.
>> > > > I got a fee home made oe from a guy in Jersey - it needs to modified
>> > > also,
>> > > > but it has a roller at the top - makes a huge difference.
>> > > > Easily fabricated out of 1-1/2? or 2? thick wall  aluminum tube
>> with a
>> > 2?
>> > > > PVC pipe over a couple of rubber wheels on a 1/$? threaded rod
>> drilled
>> > > thru
>> > > > the top.
>> > > > Don?t forget cross brace reinforcement.
>> > > > I used 5? x ? pieces (2 each pipe) of  HDME for the notched
>> brackets
>> > > that
>> > > > slip over the transom.  They are thru bolted to the 2? vertical
>> tubes
>> > w/
>> > > > 1/4? x 3-1/2? SS machine screws.
>> > > > Have fun
>> > > > Ric
>> > > > DAdventure
>> > > >
>> > > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> > > > ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> > > > O -631-283-1777
>> > > > C- 516-965-3164
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello again forum! Once again I'm looking for dimensions off your
>> > > > > more-complete/original boats~
>> > > > >
>> > > > > When i launched mine for the first time we laid the mast on the
>> back
>> > > > > railing when fitting it into the tabernacle, this worked! as long
>> as
>> > we
>> > > > > removed the deckhouse pop-top, because the angle with the back
>> > railing
>> > > > was
>> > > > > far too steep! The top had to be removed first. Which while not
>> the
>> > > worst
>> > > > > thing, was not very convenient.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I've heard that there exist or existed poles to lift the mast up
>> in
>> > the
>> > > > > cockpit. Here is one such on sv airpower
>> > > > > [image: image.png]
>> > > > > Anyway, i'd like to replicate that! So i dont have to keep taking
>> off
>> > > the
>> > > > > roof, what height is yours at? Does it need to fold? Im planning
>> rn
>> > on
>> > > > > making a simple wooden truss structure that can also serve to
>> > organize
>> > > > the
>> > > > > shrouds and such.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Appreciate your comments and input thank you!
>> > > > > -------------- next part --------------
>> > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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>> > > > > Size: 610985 bytes
>> > > > > Desc: not available
>> > > > > URL: <
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240725/1bab4666/attachment.png
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jul 25 15:38:23 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:38:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
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Message-ID: <002b01dadeca$370f2370$a52d6a50$@ebsmed.com>

Check out our archives for more information.

I decided to create my own mast crane and associated crutch. The crutch was created from 2" PVC pip with a steel pipe insert. This gave the crutch the needed strength while the PVC protected the fiberglass from damage. The crutch is erected inside the stern while two "legs" provide a clamp to the stern itself. I need to find some pics.

In the meantime, here are two links that might be of interest:

     1. Homemade mast crane, including structural calculations near the end of the posting:
          http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087728.html

     2. Documentation and video of GB mast crane system:
         http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087772.html

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Kenwood _
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:30 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size

I dont think it attached correctly?

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.  
> This pic is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on 
> top are I don't think those came with it.
> -Patrick
>
>


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jul 25 15:40:01 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:40:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
In-Reply-To: <CAJGJx+BVNBe0crKZkmtfJ_1Ck0uZJK+xSKMaSLVanE5a+N898g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <002c01dadeca$713eebc0$53bcc340$@ebsmed.com>

It did!

Images are always at the bottom of the posting.

The link to it is:
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240725/d0227c84/attachment.jpg

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of PBR
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size

DId that work?
I don't see my posts until someone replies.
Patrick


On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:30?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:

> [image: IMG_20230625_143545.jpg]
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:30?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I dont think it attached correctly?
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.  
>> > This
>> pic
>> > is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on top 
>> > are I don't think those came with it.
>> > -Patrick
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:17?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Having it hook onto the transom and stay upright using the 
>> > > railing is
>> a
>> > > good idea, I like that :) Less wood too than making a 
>> > > freestanding
>> truss
>> > > that sits on the cockpit floor, thanks! That is some good info to
>> > consider.
>> > >
>> > > I'll machine a big roller up on the lathe. Cool! And thanks for 
>> > > the
>> > height
>> > > dimension!
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 2:54?PM Ric Stott 
>> > > <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I built one out of Treated 5/4 x 4.  I used a saber saw to cut a 3?
>> > deep
>> > > > notch the bottoms so they fit over the transom.
>> > > > I was 6? high off the transom.
>> > > > I drilled a couple of holes at Stern Rail height so I could 
>> > > > lash it
>> to
>> > > the
>> > > > rail.
>> > > > It worked ok, but it was heavy and a roller at the top makes 
>> > > > sliding
>> > the
>> > > > mast from the bow puppet to the tabernacle kind of difficult.
>> > > > I got a fee home made oe from a guy in Jersey - it needs to 
>> > > > modified
>> > > also,
>> > > > but it has a roller at the top - makes a huge difference.
>> > > > Easily fabricated out of 1-1/2? or 2? thick wall  aluminum tube
>> with a
>> > 2?
>> > > > PVC pipe over a couple of rubber wheels on a 1/$? threaded rod
>> drilled
>> > > thru
>> > > > the top.
>> > > > Don?t forget cross brace reinforcement.
>> > > > I used 5? x ? pieces (2 each pipe) of  HDME for the notched
>> brackets
>> > > that
>> > > > slip over the transom.  They are thru bolted to the 2? vertical
>> tubes
>> > w/
>> > > > 1/4? x 3-1/2? SS machine screws.
>> > > > Have fun
>> > > > Ric
>> > > > DAdventure
>> > > >
>> > > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> > > > ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> > > > O -631-283-1777
>> > > > C- 516-965-3164
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hello again forum! Once again I'm looking for dimensions off 
>> > > > > your more-complete/original boats~
>> > > > >
>> > > > > When i launched mine for the first time we laid the mast on 
>> > > > > the
>> back
>> > > > > railing when fitting it into the tabernacle, this worked! as 
>> > > > > long
>> as
>> > we
>> > > > > removed the deckhouse pop-top, because the angle with the 
>> > > > > back
>> > railing
>> > > > was
>> > > > > far too steep! The top had to be removed first. Which while 
>> > > > > not
>> the
>> > > worst
>> > > > > thing, was not very convenient.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I've heard that there exist or existed poles to lift the mast 
>> > > > > up
>> in
>> > the
>> > > > > cockpit. Here is one such on sv airpower
>> > > > > [image: image.png]
>> > > > > Anyway, i'd like to replicate that! So i dont have to keep 
>> > > > > taking
>> off
>> > > the
>> > > > > roof, what height is yours at? Does it need to fold? Im 
>> > > > > planning
>> rn
>> > on
>> > > > > making a simple wooden truss structure that can also serve to
>> > organize
>> > > > the
>> > > > > shrouds and such.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Appreciate your comments and input thank you!
>> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment 
>> > > > > was scrubbed...
>> > > > > Name: image.png
>> > > > > Type: image/png
>> > > > > Size: 610985 bytes
>> > > > > Desc: not available
>> > > > > URL: <
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240725/1bab
>> 4666/attachment.png
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
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From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 16:02:33 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:02:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
In-Reply-To: <002b01dadeca$370f2370$a52d6a50$@ebsmed.com>
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Woah that boat looks different than mine, but thanks for the picture! I got
it now! and cool! Wish i saw this when i was making my own diy ginpole!

That link to the yt video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI>
down't look my mast crane at all, like just totally different. Idk how my
boat is so different but ima just keep copying what you guys seem to have,
its been working good for me this far!

Thanks!

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Check out our archives for more information.
>
> I decided to create my own mast crane and associated crutch. The crutch
> was created from 2" PVC pip with a steel pipe insert. This gave the crutch
> the needed strength while the PVC protected the fiberglass from damage. The
> crutch is erected inside the stern while two "legs" provide a clamp to the
> stern itself. I need to find some pics.
>
> In the meantime, here are two links that might be of interest:
>
>      1. Homemade mast crane, including structural calculations near the
> end of the posting:
>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087728.html
>
>      2. Documentation and video of GB mast crane system:
>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087772.html
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Kenwood _
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:30 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
>
> I dont think it attached correctly?
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.
> > This pic is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on
> > top are I don't think those came with it.
> > -Patrick
> >
> >
>
>

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 16:10:21 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:10:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
In-Reply-To: <002c01dadeca$713eebc0$53bcc340$@ebsmed.com>
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Got it! Thanks!

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:40?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> It did!
>
> Images are always at the bottom of the posting.
>
> The link to it is:
>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20240725/d0227c84/attachment.jpg
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of PBR
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:34 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
>
> DId that work?
> I don't see my posts until someone replies.
> Patrick
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:30?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [image: IMG_20230625_143545.jpg]
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:30?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I dont think it attached correctly?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.
> >> > This
> >> pic
> >> > is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on top
> >> > are I don't think those came with it.
> >> > -Patrick
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:17?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Having it hook onto the transom and stay upright using the
> >> > > railing is
> >> a
> >> > > good idea, I like that :) Less wood too than making a
> >> > > freestanding
> >> truss
> >> > > that sits on the cockpit floor, thanks! That is some good info to
> >> > consider.
> >> > >
> >> > > I'll machine a big roller up on the lathe. Cool! And thanks for
> >> > > the
> >> > height
> >> > > dimension!
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 2:54?PM Ric Stott
> >> > > <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I built one out of Treated 5/4 x 4.  I used a saber saw to cut a
> 3?
> >> > deep
> >> > > > notch the bottoms so they fit over the transom.
> >> > > > I was 6? high off the transom.
> >> > > > I drilled a couple of holes at Stern Rail height so I could
> >> > > > lash it
> >> to
> >> > > the
> >> > > > rail.
> >> > > > It worked ok, but it was heavy and a roller at the top makes
> >> > > > sliding
> >> > the
> >> > > > mast from the bow puppet to the tabernacle kind of difficult.
> >> > > > I got a fee home made oe from a guy in Jersey - it needs to
> >> > > > modified
> >> > > also,
> >> > > > but it has a roller at the top - makes a huge difference.
> >> > > > Easily fabricated out of 1-1/2? or 2? thick wall  aluminum tube
> >> with a
> >> > 2?
> >> > > > PVC pipe over a couple of rubber wheels on a 1/$? threaded rod
> >> drilled
> >> > > thru
> >> > > > the top.
> >> > > > Don?t forget cross brace reinforcement.
> >> > > > I used 5? x ? pieces (2 each pipe) of  HDME for the notched
> >> brackets
> >> > > that
> >> > > > slip over the transom.  They are thru bolted to the 2? vertical
> >> tubes
> >> > w/
> >> > > > 1/4? x 3-1/2? SS machine screws.
> >> > > > Have fun
> >> > > > Ric
> >> > > > DAdventure
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >> > > > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >> > > > O -631-283-1777
> >> > > > C- 516-965-3164
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Hello again forum! Once again I'm looking for dimensions off
> >> > > > > your more-complete/original boats~
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > When i launched mine for the first time we laid the mast on
> >> > > > > the
> >> back
> >> > > > > railing when fitting it into the tabernacle, this worked! as
> >> > > > > long
> >> as
> >> > we
> >> > > > > removed the deckhouse pop-top, because the angle with the
> >> > > > > back
> >> > railing
> >> > > > was
> >> > > > > far too steep! The top had to be removed first. Which while
> >> > > > > not
> >> the
> >> > > worst
> >> > > > > thing, was not very convenient.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I've heard that there exist or existed poles to lift the mast
> >> > > > > up
> >> in
> >> > the
> >> > > > > cockpit. Here is one such on sv airpower
> >> > > > > [image: image.png]
> >> > > > > Anyway, i'd like to replicate that! So i dont have to keep
> >> > > > > taking
> >> off
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > roof, what height is yours at? Does it need to fold? Im
> >> > > > > planning
> >> rn
> >> > on
> >> > > > > making a simple wooden truss structure that can also serve to
> >> > organize
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > shrouds and such.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Appreciate your comments and input thank you!
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> >> >
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 16:36:19 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:36:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
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Kenwood,

Let me see how many pics I can send per email.

Todd T.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 4:02?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Woah that boat looks different than mine, but thanks for the picture! I got
> it now! and cool! Wish i saw this when i was making my own diy ginpole!
>
> That link to the yt video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI>
> down't look my mast crane at all, like just totally different. Idk how my
> boat is so different but ima just keep copying what you guys seem to have,
> its been working good for me this far!
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Check out our archives for more information.
> >
> > I decided to create my own mast crane and associated crutch. The crutch
> > was created from 2" PVC pip with a steel pipe insert. This gave the
> crutch
> > the needed strength while the PVC protected the fiberglass from damage.
> The
> > crutch is erected inside the stern while two "legs" provide a clamp to
> the
> > stern itself. I need to find some pics.
> >
> > In the meantime, here are two links that might be of interest:
> >
> >      1. Homemade mast crane, including structural calculations near the
> > end of the posting:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087728.html
> >
> >      2. Documentation and video of GB mast crane system:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087772.html
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Kenwood _
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:30 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
> >
> > I dont think it attached correctly?
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.
> > > This pic is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on
> > > top are I don't think those came with it.
> > > -Patrick
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 16:36:53 2024
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:36:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
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OK.  Well here is a pic of the other end.  On this hoist you can zoom to
see how it attaches to the boat and the 2 attach points up near the winch
end intended for the lower rear shrouds.  The forward shrouds would have
extenders attached and provide horizontal stability.  I started doing this
incorrectly using only the forward shrouds and I was complaining about lack
of horizontal control.
[image: PXL_20230709_160606760.jpg]

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 4:02?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Woah that boat looks different than mine, but thanks for the picture! I got
> it now! and cool! Wish i saw this when i was making my own diy ginpole!
>
> That link to the yt video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI>
> down't look my mast crane at all, like just totally different. Idk how my
> boat is so different but ima just keep copying what you guys seem to have,
> its been working good for me this far!
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Check out our archives for more information.
> >
> > I decided to create my own mast crane and associated crutch. The crutch
> > was created from 2" PVC pip with a steel pipe insert. This gave the
> crutch
> > the needed strength while the PVC protected the fiberglass from damage.
> The
> > crutch is erected inside the stern while two "legs" provide a clamp to
> the
> > stern itself. I need to find some pics.
> >
> > In the meantime, here are two links that might be of interest:
> >
> >      1. Homemade mast crane, including structural calculations near the
> > end of the posting:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087728.html
> >
> >      2. Documentation and video of GB mast crane system:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087772.html
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Kenwood _
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:30 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
> >
> > I dont think it attached correctly?
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.
> > > This pic is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on
> > > top are I don't think those came with it.
> > > -Patrick
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 16:39:42 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:39:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
In-Reply-To: <CABvjUT26fgiXpv3nChoB2OXsnR_TLbE0E-CarR179YdKWoJETg@mail.gmail.com>
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I do not have any pics of the GB gin pole/crane, nor the length of the
stern fixture uprights.  Here are a few more.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 4:02?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Woah that boat looks different than mine, but thanks for the picture! I got
> it now! and cool! Wish i saw this when i was making my own diy ginpole!
>
> That link to the yt video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI>
> down't look my mast crane at all, like just totally different. Idk how my
> boat is so different but ima just keep copying what you guys seem to have,
> its been working good for me this far!
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Check out our archives for more information.
> >
> > I decided to create my own mast crane and associated crutch. The crutch
> > was created from 2" PVC pip with a steel pipe insert. This gave the
> crutch
> > the needed strength while the PVC protected the fiberglass from damage.
> The
> > crutch is erected inside the stern while two "legs" provide a clamp to
> the
> > stern itself. I need to find some pics.
> >
> > In the meantime, here are two links that might be of interest:
> >
> >      1. Homemade mast crane, including structural calculations near the
> > end of the posting:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087728.html
> >
> >      2. Documentation and video of GB mast crane system:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087772.html
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Kenwood _
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:30 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
> >
> > I dont think it attached correctly?
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.
> > > This pic is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on
> > > top are I don't think those came with it.
> > > -Patrick
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 16:42:40 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:42:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
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and a few more...

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 4:02?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Woah that boat looks different than mine, but thanks for the picture! I got
> it now! and cool! Wish i saw this when i was making my own diy ginpole!
>
> That link to the yt video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI>
> down't look my mast crane at all, like just totally different. Idk how my
> boat is so different but ima just keep copying what you guys seem to have,
> its been working good for me this far!
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Check out our archives for more information.
> >
> > I decided to create my own mast crane and associated crutch. The crutch
> > was created from 2" PVC pip with a steel pipe insert. This gave the
> crutch
> > the needed strength while the PVC protected the fiberglass from damage.
> The
> > crutch is erected inside the stern while two "legs" provide a clamp to
> the
> > stern itself. I need to find some pics.
> >
> > In the meantime, here are two links that might be of interest:
> >
> >      1. Homemade mast crane, including structural calculations near the
> > end of the posting:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087728.html
> >
> >      2. Documentation and video of GB mast crane system:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087772.html
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Kenwood _
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:30 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
> >
> > I dont think it attached correctly?
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.
> > > This pic is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on
> > > top are I don't think those came with it.
> > > -Patrick
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Jul 25 16:49:28 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:49:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
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THAT?S A NICE ONE - LOOKS LIKE IT HAS BUILLT-IN CUP HOLDERS TOO! ?
RIC 
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ric at stottarchitecture.com
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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 4:36 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Kenwood,
> 
> Let me see how many pics I can send per email.
> 
> Todd T.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 4:02?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Woah that boat looks different than mine, but thanks for the picture! I got
>> it now! and cool! Wish i saw this when i was making my own diy ginpole!
>> 
>> That link to the yt video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI>
>> down't look my mast crane at all, like just totally different. Idk how my
>> boat is so different but ima just keep copying what you guys seem to have,
>> its been working good for me this far!
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Check out our archives for more information.
>>> 
>>> I decided to create my own mast crane and associated crutch. The crutch
>>> was created from 2" PVC pip with a steel pipe insert. This gave the
>> crutch
>>> the needed strength while the PVC protected the fiberglass from damage.
>> The
>>> crutch is erected inside the stern while two "legs" provide a clamp to
>> the
>>> stern itself. I need to find some pics.
>>> 
>>> In the meantime, here are two links that might be of interest:
>>> 
>>>     1. Homemade mast crane, including structural calculations near the
>>> end of the posting:
>>> 
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087728.html
>>> 
>>>     2. Documentation and video of GB mast crane system:
>>> 
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087772.html
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> Kenwood _
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:30 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
>>> 
>>> I dont think it attached correctly?
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.
>>>> This pic is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans on
>>>> top are I don't think those came with it.
>>>> -Patrick
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 21:32:42 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:32:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
Message-ID: <CABvjUT0j7G-xDuqzGwQ+DU-TGhYTJUwbwf1-8j8=pvjUZBJ9aw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I want to
do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff I'm
really jealous of!

I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're all
kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch over
the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that are
that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm worried
about cutting away too much of the roof.

Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be better
than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you some
headroom! Thanks!

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 21:33:09 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:33:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
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Thank you so much these are great I will send back pictures when I make my
own! You guys rock the information provided here is excellent I hope that
in the future when I'm a little more knowledgeable to I'll be able to give
back

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024, 5:04?PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do not have any pics of the GB gin pole/crane, nor the length of the
> stern fixture uprights.  Here are a few more.
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 4:02?PM Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Woah that boat looks different than mine, but thanks for the picture! I
> got
> > it now! and cool! Wish i saw this when i was making my own diy ginpole!
> >
> > That link to the yt video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mV12--7JDI>
> > down't look my mast crane at all, like just totally different. Idk how my
> > boat is so different but ima just keep copying what you guys seem to
> have,
> > its been working good for me this far!
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:44?PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Check out our archives for more information.
> > >
> > > I decided to create my own mast crane and associated crutch. The crutch
> > > was created from 2" PVC pip with a steel pipe insert. This gave the
> > crutch
> > > the needed strength while the PVC protected the fiberglass from damage.
> > The
> > > crutch is erected inside the stern while two "legs" provide a clamp to
> > the
> > > stern itself. I need to find some pics.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, here are two links that might be of interest:
> > >
> > >      1. Homemade mast crane, including structural calculations near the
> > > end of the posting:
> > >
> > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087728.html
> > >
> > >      2. Documentation and video of GB mast crane system:
> > >
> > > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087772.html
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > > Kenwood _
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2024 3:30 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit support/lifting size
> > >
> > > I dont think it attached correctly?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 3:27?PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Here is a pic. of a general boats Mast crutch design circa  2012.
> > > > This pic is from before I took possession - whatever the shiny cans
> on
> > > > top are I don't think those came with it.
> > > > -Patrick
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From Mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Jul 27 21:53:24 2024
From: Mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:53:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
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It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I want to
> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff I'm
> really jealous of!
>
> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're all
> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch
> over
> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that are
> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm worried
> about cutting away too much of the roof.
>
> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be better
> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you some
> headroom! Thanks!
>



From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 10:56:15 2024
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 10:56:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
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Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I rebuilt the
interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple bilge
pumps. More headroom would be nice

On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> > Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I want
> to
> > do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff
> I'm
> > really jealous of!
> >
> > I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're all
> > kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch
> > over
> > the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that
> are
> > that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm worried
> > about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >
> > Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> > sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> better
> > than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you some
> > headroom! Thanks!
> >
>
>
>

From boon_doggy at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 28 16:29:57 2024
From: boon_doggy at yahoo.com (Mike)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 20:29:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
References: <938257455.701880.1722198597646.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <938257455.701880.1722198597646@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone!

My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now. Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of that time.
I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't make any sense.
I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's just rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it was Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. It's an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the top of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the manual. However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF rotating shaft.
I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can visualize it.
Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines on the bottom of the boom.
At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can still order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is routed thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things out.
Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would make sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..."
Any help would be much appreciated.

Mike Blagg
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 16:59:05 2024
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 16:59:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
Message-ID: <3C1F1D38-B3A1-49D6-A6E7-A3CEE9A26193@gmail.com>

Hi Rhodies,

I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it. 

It  is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the inside.  

Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?

Thank you!

Mike McKay 
S/V Liber 2006/2108
Allatoona Lake, GA




Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun Jul 28 17:08:46 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 21:08:46 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
In-Reply-To: <938257455.701880.1722198597646@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <938257455.701880.1722198597646@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR10MB4288CDF71509779B0C4521EB80B62@MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Mike,

I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex.  On my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the masthead.  I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached it to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom.  Now, if you want to adjust the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head.  This is at least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with less windage too.  Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and effort to rebuild the factory setup.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hello everyone!
>
> My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now. Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of that time.
> I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
> I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't make any sense.
> I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's just rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it was Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
> Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. It's an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
> The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the top of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the manual. However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF rotating shaft.
> I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can visualize it.
> Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines on the bottom of the boom.
> At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can still order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is routed thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things out.
> Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would make sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..."
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Mike Blagg
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From sea20 at verizon.net  Sun Jul 28 18:05:22 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:05:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
In-Reply-To: <CABvjUT2WGauL1NjS3qDR+SqX=CV4Wjd_mvvu4V31E_G47ZwynA@mail.gmail.com>
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Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I rebuilt the
> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple bilge
> pumps. More headroom would be nice
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I want
>> to
>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff
>> I'm
>>> really jealous of!
>>> 
>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're all
>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch
>>> over
>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that
>> are
>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm worried
>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
>>> 
>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
>> better
>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you some
>>> headroom! Thanks!
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun Jul 28 18:23:10 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:23:10 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
In-Reply-To: <216AD1F0-4896-4812-9618-48135BA84B45@verizon.net>
References: <CABvjUT2WGauL1NjS3qDR+SqX=CV4Wjd_mvvu4V31E_G47ZwynA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <MN2PR10MB42886A2EAACCF5F9D2A2AC1C80B62@MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask.  I would like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI implemented those 2 opening hatches.  Those 2 hatches together represent a lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.  Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut into it without compromising the structure?  If Stan had to reinforce the cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any advertisement that I saw.  I wish there was someone to ask re this issue because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?.  Scott, I advise you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if you weaken it too much.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI

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> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I rebuilt the
>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple bilge
>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I want
>>> to
>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff
>>> I'm
>>>> really jealous of!
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're all
>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch
>>>> over
>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that
>>> are
>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm worried
>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
>>> better
>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you some
>>>> headroom! Thanks!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 23:11:15 2024
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:11:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
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Mike, on my boat the topping lift runs down outside the mast to a block on the port cabin top near the hand rail and then back through a cam cleat at the cockpit, similar to the jib furling line.  


Michael McKay

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2024, at 7:35?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike,
> 
> I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex.  On my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the masthead.  I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached it to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom.  Now, if you want to adjust the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head.  This is at least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with less windage too.  Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and effort to rebuild the factory setup.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hello everyone!
>> 
>> My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now. Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of that time.
>> I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
>> I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't make any sense.
>> I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's just rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it was Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
>> Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. It's an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
>> The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the top of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the manual. However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF rotating shaft.
>> I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can visualize it.
>> Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines on the bottom of the boom.
>> At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can still order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is routed thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things out.
>> Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would make sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..."
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>> 
>> Mike Blagg
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From sea20 at verizon.net  Mon Jul 29 07:21:20 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:21:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
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Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches.
Scott A.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,
> 
> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask.  I would like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI implemented those 2 opening hatches.  Those 2 hatches together represent a lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.  Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut into it without compromising the structure?  If Stan had to reinforce the cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any advertisement that I saw.  I wish there was someone to ask re this issue because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?.  Scott, I advise you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if you weaken it too much.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I rebuilt the
>>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple bilge
>>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
>>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I want
>>>> to
>>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff
>>>> I'm
>>>>> really jealous of!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're all
>>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch
>>>>> over
>>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that
>>>> are
>>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm worried
>>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
>>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
>>>> better
>>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you some
>>>>> headroom! Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 


From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 08:22:36 2024
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:22:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
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Mike,
I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere
near the boom carriage.  I have experience with two boats and it just runs
from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the cabin
top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
Patrick

On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 5:15?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex.  On
> my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the
> masthead.  I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached it
> to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom.  Now, if you want to adjust
> the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head.  This is at
> least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with
> less windage too.  Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and
> effort to rebuild the factory setup.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hello everyone!
> >
> > My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now.
> Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of that
> time.
> > I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year
> delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and
> then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
> > I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom
> lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't make
> any sense.
> > I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's just
> rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it was
> Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
> > Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. It's
> an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
> > The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the top
> of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the manual.
> However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF rotating
> shaft.
> > I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can visualize
> it.
> > Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's
> been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines on
> the bottom of the boom.
> > At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can still
> order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is routed
> thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things out.
> > Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would make
> sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..."
> > Any help would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Mike Blagg
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> >
>

From boon_doggy at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 29 08:28:50 2024
From: boon_doggy at yahoo.com (Mike)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:28:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
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It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it, the more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line on the boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the furler in the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it.

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  On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:   Mike,
I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere
near the boom carriage.? I have experience with two boats and it just runs
from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the cabin
top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
Patrick


  

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Jul 29 11:05:44 2024
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 11:05:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
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Just a note here that there are a number of different configurations of 
R22s. I believe that most were built with a compression post. On ours it 
was built into the structure of the semi-enclosed head. When we bought 
the boat (a 1991) to be refurbished in 1998 it did not have overhead 
hatches so we asked Stan about putting a single hatch over the head 
area. He said there was no structural problem doing it so that is what 
we had done.

Mary Lou
ex 1991 R22 (refurbished 1998)
now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 7/29/2024 7:21 AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches.
> Scott A.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Hi All,
>>
>> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask.  I would like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI implemented those 2 opening hatches.  Those 2 hatches together represent a lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.  Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut into it without compromising the structure?  If Stan had to reinforce the cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any advertisement that I saw.  I wish there was someone to ask re this issue because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?.  Scott, I advise you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if you weaken it too much.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 1978. Sanford, MI
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I rebuilt the
>>>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple bilge
>>>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I want
>>>>> to
>>>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> really jealous of!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're all
>>>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that
>>>>> are
>>>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm worried
>>>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
>>>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
>>>>> better
>>>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you some
>>>>>> headroom! Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 12:16:08 2024
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:16:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
In-Reply-To: <20240729161053.3.1a790152649ffeed@mg1.substack.com>
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I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my inbox.
Pure Stan!

Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)


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*I had the opportunity to talk with Stan Spitzer, owner of General Boats
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known for the Rhodes 22. Stan is 90 years old and continues to manage the
day to day operations of General Boats.?Jerry Thompson*
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*Why and when did you break into the sailboat business?*

I enjoyed sailing and it seemed like a good business to get into. I started
by thinking about names. I thought an Atom line of sailboats would be
nice?Atom, 20, Atom 25 etc. In those days, the late 40s, the bomb had been
dropped and atomic energy was a big deal. Sometime later I bumped into a
friend from high school who had served in France during the war. He told me
that they were doing great things with sailboats in France and why don?t we
import some? I said sure, what have I got to lose? We kept our jobs and
formed a company called Nordica Corporation. He flew to France and made
arrangements to bring back a sailboat. The first we imported was a Corsaire
designed by Herbulot, a famous French designer. It sailed well, but did not
hold up. It was made of plywood and the French were behind the United
States in technology. I took one to the New York Boat Show which at the
time was the only boat show going. And it was gigantic. I was in
advertising so I wrote the copy and made up a brochure. Time magazine came
by our booth and wrote us up. The show was mostly motorboats with very few
sailboats?sailboats where just not that big at the time. My partners had a
meeting after the show and told me that I was out. Something about me and
my style didn?t sit well with them so they returned my initial $6,000
investment and I was out of Nordica Corporation. Years later I ran into one
of my old partners and he told me to not feel bad about being thrown out as
they went out of business shortly after kicking me out and lost all their
investment.

*How did you move on from that disappointing start?*

Well, I was hooked after that first boat show. But I had to start from
scratch. The graphic artist I worked with at the agency said he liked
sailboats, so together we formed General Boats in 1959 keeping our day jobs
of course. This was way before Hunter and Catalina and we even beat O?Day
into the business. About this time sailing was starting to take off so our
timing was good.

*How did you decide on the name General Boats?*

I always thought big. So I looked around and said I?ll take the best name I
can find. There was General Motors, General Electric, General Dynamics so I
thought I would try General Boats. I was afraid somebody already had it,
but they didn?t. It was free so we had our name.
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*What was your first boat?*

I sought out a naval architect I had heard of, Nils Lucander. Nils did not
have a name in those days as he was just starting out. So I asked him to
design a sailboat and he said sure I?ll do it and he did it for practically
nothing. And so we came out with the Picnic 17. I wrote the copy for a
brochure. The graphic artist I worked with did the artwork and it was a
beautiful brochure. But the boat wasn?t so hot. From my point of view I
wanted it to do everything to appeal to a broad market. We headlined it as
a sailboat, motorboat, ski boat, fishing boat. And I found out people who
came to the show didn?t know what to buy so they brought their experts with
them who were sailors. And they would say it cannot be all those things; a
sailboat is a sailboat and a motorboat is a motorboat. I was claiming too
much.

*Did you produce the Picnic 17?*

No, producing as that was the last thing I wanted to do. I was smart enough
to know not to get involved with building the boat, let somebody else do
that. I was approached by Lofland Sail-Craft out of Wichita, Kansas. They
sought me out and said they would like to build the Picnic 17 for me.
Francis Lofland was a lovely guy and began producing the Picnic 17 for me.
But I couldn?t get enough out of him. He had his own business building the
Snipe and other boats, so I was at the bottom of the list. So I went to
another company. I went to Ray Greene who was building the Rebel 16 and a
line of boats. He started building the Picnic 17 for me, but the same thing
happened: I couldn?t get enough. Ray Greene didn?t turn out a good boat.
His own boats were okay, but I was not his priority. It was hard to get
them to put their heart and soul into a product that wasn?t theirs. I went
to another company in Nova Scotia, Industrial Shipping Company Limited, and
they were wonderful. They got into building the Picnic 17 and built them
fast and very well. But then the guy I was dealing with there, George
McGovern, who was a very nice guy, died, ending my deal with that company
as he was the guy who wanted to build the Picnic for me. It was one thing
after another. So I decided at that point if I was going to stay in this
business I have got to make a boat that has a reputation behind it. Nils
Lucander would become a big name eventually, but at that point customers
would ask who the Picnic was designed by and I would tell them Nils
Lucander, but they never heard of him. So I had to get a name behind me.

*How many Picnic 17s did you sell?*

We ended up selling 350 which encouraged us to stay in the business, but we
needed a name. Roger McGregor saw the Picnic 17 at a show and told me he
liked the notion of a sailboat/motorboat. This was before he was building
sailboats, but he put that idea back in his mind and eventually produced
his own line of motorsailors. We became very good friends over the years.
He was a very smart guy, top in his class at Stanford.

*What came after the Picnic 17?*

I needed something new. The naval architects in those days didn?t charge
based upon their reputations but by the size of the boat they were
designing. At that time the number one reputation belonged to Phillip
Rhodes. So I decided that?s easy, you start at the top and when he says no
you work your way down. His office was on Lexington Avenue also in New York
City where I was living. So I made up some sketches and went and knocked on
his door and he answered. There were lots of people working there, it was a
big firm, but he answered the door. He looked down on me and said ?What do
you want?? I said I would like you to design a boat for me. I showed him
the sketches. At that time he would get a call from the Rockefellers saying
hey Phil I need a 55-foot yacht, and he would design it for them. But there
I was with sketches of a 22-foot boat and here is this guy a very well
known, famous naval architect. And he said, ?You know what, I have not
designed a smaller boat in a long time, I think I want to do this.? I
almost fell over. And I worked with him a year in his office and I learned
a lot about designing. Of course he would turn it over to somebody else and
he would walk around like a school teacher making suggestions, changes and
corrections.

*Was it expensive to have the top naval architect of the time design your
boat?*

There were two ways you could work with Phillip Rhodes. You could say it
was your product and pay a royalty on each hull produced, or you could say
I?ll commission you and pay you a flat fee and it is my product. I said I?d
rather own it outright and he said fine.

*The Rhodes 22 has a very unique hull flare. Was that your idea or
Phillip?s?*

I was always looking at other boats and one was an Olympic racing boat, the
505. It had what was called an upside down wineglass shape to the hull. And
so I wondered about that flare and started thinking about it from an
engineering point of view. And it began to dawn on me it had a lot of
advantages. First, it had a built in hiking seat. You could sit out on the
flare beyond the hull itself, you could carry more sail and keep the boat
flat, I liked that idea. Then I thought it also makes a very dry hull. In a
regular sailboat the waves break over the side and into the cockpit, a wave
hits the flare and goes out away from the cockpit?very dry. I looked at it
more and recognized that because it was a compound curve instead of a
simple curve, it would be very strong. So using the same fiberglass the
other guys use I would have a much stronger hull. The sketches I gave to
Phil had the flare and he told me he liked what I was doing, but he didn?t
like the flare, ?That?s a motorboat, doesn?t look like a sailboat.? He
didn?t like it, but I insisted and he said it was my money so I could go
for it. After working on it a while Phil said the flare was growing on him.
By the time he finished he said he liked it.

*I have heard the boat referred to as the Rhodes Continental.*

When I was first thinking about names the Lincoln Continental was a very
popular automobile, so I tried Rhodes Continental, two big names. But I
changed that not too long after to the Rhodes 22.

*How was the Rhodes 22 received by the public?*

I had a model made and brought it to the New York boat show, and when
people saw it they either didn?t like it because it looked like a motorboat
or they loved it; it was extremes. I didn?t need the whole market, I just
needed a piece. It came out for $2,500. I put a big red ribbon around it.
You got the boat, the sails, the cushions, the lines, everything. With all
other sailboats everything was extra, the price sheet on sailboats in those
days was pages. I came out with a price for the whole package and that
worked. I started taking orders.

*What year was that?*

Phil designed the boat in 1968 and we began having them produced in 1970.

*What do you most enjoy about the sailboat business?*

The customers. My customers have all been wonderful. Well, once there was a
guy who was a pain in the neck. He came to my office and I sat him down and
got out my checkbook and started writing. He said what are you doing? I
said I?m giving you your money back. He said I don?t want the money; I want
your boat. So I told him to stop being such a pain in the neck and he
agreed. And there was one other guy who liked the boat and bought it, but
came back and said his family didn?t take to it and asked if I would take
it back. I said yes I?ll give you all of your money back. He said you?ll
give all my money back? I said sure. I don?t want anybody sailing the boat
who isn?t happy with it. I always tell my customers that they are our sales
force. We don?t sell through dealers. So you?ve got to be happy with the
boat. If you are not happy, I?m not going to let you keep it.
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*How many Rhodes 22s have been built?*

2,500. That is not an exact number as through the years we lost track of a
few, but at least 2,500.

*Tell me about your recycled boats?*

As the sales of new boats dropped off I started thinking of ways to make up
for it. So I came up with the recycled boat program. We would purchase
older hulls, go completely over them, and sell them for much less than a
new boat. And they look and perform like new boats. I have a boat out in
the yard now that is 30 years old and a customer the other day thought it
was new. The recycled boats kept us in business. But it was a double-edged
sword as it hurt further the new boat business. But, we are still in
business.

*Are you the only builder that has a recycle program?*

To my knowledge, yes. The reason it worked is that we sold direct. It would
not work if you sold through dealers, which most builders do.

*Did you go to Annapolis this year?*

Yes, we were at the first show in1970 and have not missed a single show.

*You have shown at every Annapolis Boat Show?*

Yes, we?ve worked our way up from being way in the rear end of the show to
what I call the prime corner location. We have shown at 45 shows and hope
to make 50. *?SCA?*

*Stan Spitzer and the Rhodes 22 have a very strong following of owners,
known as Rhodies, who are fiercely loyal to Stan and the Rhodes 22. Stan is
still selling new and recycled Rhodes 22s at his plant in Edenton, North
Carolina. *

*Jerry Thompson is an Information Systems professional who works and lives
in eastern North Carolina. He learned to sail over 25 years ago at the
Armed Forces Recreation Center, Lake Chiemsee, Germany. North Carolina?s
milder winters keep Jerry on the water year round.*

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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 17:05:34 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:05:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
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Perhaps the previous owner tucked the loose end into the goose neck
fitting, so it was not flapping loose during transport?

Todd T.

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024, 2:25 PM Mike via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it, the
> more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line on the
> boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the furler in
> the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it.
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>
>   On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Mike,
> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere
> near the boom carriage.  I have experience with two boats and it just runs
> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the cabin
> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
> Patrick
>
>
>
>

From gstewart.gm at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 10:16:18 2024
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:16:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
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The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have attached a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a section of the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to create a large hole.


Graham Stewart
Rhodes 22
Agile, 1976
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?

Hi Rhodies,

I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.

It  is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the inside.

Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?

Thank you!

Mike McKay
S/V Liber 2006/2108
Allatoona Lake, GA




Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Jul 30 11:47:01 2024
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:47:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
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Hi All,

One of the first things I replaced when I bought my boat back in 1987 were the four lower chainplates.  There is no way to inspect the factory OEM lower chainplates.  Sooner or later, water is going to infiltrate into the plywood core, causing it to rot.  This is easily fixed by installing 4 Beckson 4-1/2" white screw-out deck plates (Beckson P/N: DP40-W, Defender Marine C/N: 941619, $17.36 each + S&H) thru the cabin liner.  With these inspection plates installed, you can thru bolt the lower chainplates thru the outer cabin wall and easily inspect them whenever you wish.  I do not trust wood screws into the plywood core for this heavily loaded component, especially not when the fix is so easy.  Just bite the bullet and do this upgrade.  You'll never have to worry about it again.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 10:16 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?

The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have attached a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a section of the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to create a large hole.


Graham Stewart
Rhodes 22
Agile, 1976
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?

Hi Rhodies,

I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.

It  is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the inside.

Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?

Thank you!

Mike McKay
S/V Liber 2006/2108
Allatoona Lake, GA




Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 14:58:29 2024
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:58:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
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Thanks for this ? a joy to read again.  Vintage Stan ? you can just hear him speaking.  

Frank


> On Jul 29, 2024, at 12:16?PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my inbox.
> Pure Stan!
> 
> Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: from Small Craft Advisor <smallcraftadvisor at substack.com>
> Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM
> Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
> To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> 
> 
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> *I had the opportunity to talk with Stan Spitzer, owner of General Boats
> <https://substack.com/redirect/d0f0c2f7-6dad-47c3-a2cb-29bc4ab00f28?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20>,
> in January of 2016 at his General Boats Plant in Edenton, North Carolina.
> General Boats has been in the sailboat business since 1959 and is best
> known for the Rhodes 22. Stan is 90 years old and continues to manage the
> day to day operations of General Boats.?Jerry Thompson*
> <https://substack.com/redirect/990e10b3-29d0-430d-948b-222a780777c4?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20>
> 
> *Why and when did you break into the sailboat business?*
> 
> I enjoyed sailing and it seemed like a good business to get into. I started
> by thinking about names. I thought an Atom line of sailboats would be
> nice?Atom, 20, Atom 25 etc. In those days, the late 40s, the bomb had been
> dropped and atomic energy was a big deal. Sometime later I bumped into a
> friend from high school who had served in France during the war. He told me
> that they were doing great things with sailboats in France and why don?t we
> import some? I said sure, what have I got to lose? We kept our jobs and
> formed a company called Nordica Corporation. He flew to France and made
> arrangements to bring back a sailboat. The first we imported was a Corsaire
> designed by Herbulot, a famous French designer. It sailed well, but did not
> hold up. It was made of plywood and the French were behind the United
> States in technology. I took one to the New York Boat Show which at the
> time was the only boat show going. And it was gigantic. I was in
> advertising so I wrote the copy and made up a brochure. Time magazine came
> by our booth and wrote us up. The show was mostly motorboats with very few
> sailboats?sailboats where just not that big at the time. My partners had a
> meeting after the show and told me that I was out. Something about me and
> my style didn?t sit well with them so they returned my initial $6,000
> investment and I was out of Nordica Corporation. Years later I ran into one
> of my old partners and he told me to not feel bad about being thrown out as
> they went out of business shortly after kicking me out and lost all their
> investment.
> 
> *How did you move on from that disappointing start?*
> 
> Well, I was hooked after that first boat show. But I had to start from
> scratch. The graphic artist I worked with at the agency said he liked
> sailboats, so together we formed General Boats in 1959 keeping our day jobs
> of course. This was way before Hunter and Catalina and we even beat O?Day
> into the business. About this time sailing was starting to take off so our
> timing was good.
> 
> *How did you decide on the name General Boats?*
> 
> I always thought big. So I looked around and said I?ll take the best name I
> can find. There was General Motors, General Electric, General Dynamics so I
> thought I would try General Boats. I was afraid somebody already had it,
> but they didn?t. It was free so we had our name.
> <https://substack.com/redirect/e79f0a65-04fa-4e18-a533-f91a45c96834?j=eyJ1IjoiMXM2anh5In0.idUYEqiG8vYXmLoHe42WspKQfXHbopl4fq_FzkMXn20>
> 
> *What was your first boat?*
> 
> I sought out a naval architect I had heard of, Nils Lucander. Nils did not
> have a name in those days as he was just starting out. So I asked him to
> design a sailboat and he said sure I?ll do it and he did it for practically
> nothing. And so we came out with the Picnic 17. I wrote the copy for a
> brochure. The graphic artist I worked with did the artwork and it was a
> beautiful brochure. But the boat wasn?t so hot. From my point of view I
> wanted it to do everything to appeal to a broad market. We headlined it as
> a sailboat, motorboat, ski boat, fishing boat. And I found out people who
> came to the show didn?t know what to buy so they brought their experts with
> them who were sailors. And they would say it cannot be all those things; a
> sailboat is a sailboat and a motorboat is a motorboat. I was claiming too
> much.
> 
> *Did you produce the Picnic 17?*
> 
> No, producing as that was the last thing I wanted to do. I was smart enough
> to know not to get involved with building the boat, let somebody else do
> that. I was approached by Lofland Sail-Craft out of Wichita, Kansas. They
> sought me out and said they would like to build the Picnic 17 for me.
> Francis Lofland was a lovely guy and began producing the Picnic 17 for me.
> But I couldn?t get enough out of him. He had his own business building the
> Snipe and other boats, so I was at the bottom of the list. So I went to
> another company. I went to Ray Greene who was building the Rebel 16 and a
> line of boats. He started building the Picnic 17 for me, but the same thing
> happened: I couldn?t get enough. Ray Greene didn?t turn out a good boat.
> His own boats were okay, but I was not his priority. It was hard to get
> them to put their heart and soul into a product that wasn?t theirs. I went
> to another company in Nova Scotia, Industrial Shipping Company Limited, and
> they were wonderful. They got into building the Picnic 17 and built them
> fast and very well. But then the guy I was dealing with there, George
> McGovern, who was a very nice guy, died, ending my deal with that company
> as he was the guy who wanted to build the Picnic for me. It was one thing
> after another. So I decided at that point if I was going to stay in this
> business I have got to make a boat that has a reputation behind it. Nils
> Lucander would become a big name eventually, but at that point customers
> would ask who the Picnic was designed by and I would tell them Nils
> Lucander, but they never heard of him. So I had to get a name behind me.
> 
> *How many Picnic 17s did you sell?*
> 
> We ended up selling 350 which encouraged us to stay in the business, but we
> needed a name. Roger McGregor saw the Picnic 17 at a show and told me he
> liked the notion of a sailboat/motorboat. This was before he was building
> sailboats, but he put that idea back in his mind and eventually produced
> his own line of motorsailors. We became very good friends over the years.
> He was a very smart guy, top in his class at Stanford.
> 
> *What came after the Picnic 17?*
> 
> I needed something new. The naval architects in those days didn?t charge
> based upon their reputations but by the size of the boat they were
> designing. At that time the number one reputation belonged to Phillip
> Rhodes. So I decided that?s easy, you start at the top and when he says no
> you work your way down. His office was on Lexington Avenue also in New York
> City where I was living. So I made up some sketches and went and knocked on
> his door and he answered. There were lots of people working there, it was a
> big firm, but he answered the door. He looked down on me and said ?What do
> you want?? I said I would like you to design a boat for me. I showed him
> the sketches. At that time he would get a call from the Rockefellers saying
> hey Phil I need a 55-foot yacht, and he would design it for them. But there
> I was with sketches of a 22-foot boat and here is this guy a very well
> known, famous naval architect. And he said, ?You know what, I have not
> designed a smaller boat in a long time, I think I want to do this.? I
> almost fell over. And I worked with him a year in his office and I learned
> a lot about designing. Of course he would turn it over to somebody else and
> he would walk around like a school teacher making suggestions, changes and
> corrections.
> 
> *Was it expensive to have the top naval architect of the time design your
> boat?*
> 
> There were two ways you could work with Phillip Rhodes. You could say it
> was your product and pay a royalty on each hull produced, or you could say
> I?ll commission you and pay you a flat fee and it is my product. I said I?d
> rather own it outright and he said fine.
> 
> *The Rhodes 22 has a very unique hull flare. Was that your idea or
> Phillip?s?*
> 
> I was always looking at other boats and one was an Olympic racing boat, the
> 505. It had what was called an upside down wineglass shape to the hull. And
> so I wondered about that flare and started thinking about it from an
> engineering point of view. And it began to dawn on me it had a lot of
> advantages. First, it had a built in hiking seat. You could sit out on the
> flare beyond the hull itself, you could carry more sail and keep the boat
> flat, I liked that idea. Then I thought it also makes a very dry hull. In a
> regular sailboat the waves break over the side and into the cockpit, a wave
> hits the flare and goes out away from the cockpit?very dry. I looked at it
> more and recognized that because it was a compound curve instead of a
> simple curve, it would be very strong. So using the same fiberglass the
> other guys use I would have a much stronger hull. The sketches I gave to
> Phil had the flare and he told me he liked what I was doing, but he didn?t
> like the flare, ?That?s a motorboat, doesn?t look like a sailboat.? He
> didn?t like it, but I insisted and he said it was my money so I could go
> for it. After working on it a while Phil said the flare was growing on him.
> By the time he finished he said he liked it.
> 
> *I have heard the boat referred to as the Rhodes Continental.*
> 
> When I was first thinking about names the Lincoln Continental was a very
> popular automobile, so I tried Rhodes Continental, two big names. But I
> changed that not too long after to the Rhodes 22.
> 
> *How was the Rhodes 22 received by the public?*
> 
> I had a model made and brought it to the New York boat show, and when
> people saw it they either didn?t like it because it looked like a motorboat
> or they loved it; it was extremes. I didn?t need the whole market, I just
> needed a piece. It came out for $2,500. I put a big red ribbon around it.
> You got the boat, the sails, the cushions, the lines, everything. With all
> other sailboats everything was extra, the price sheet on sailboats in those
> days was pages. I came out with a price for the whole package and that
> worked. I started taking orders.
> 
> *What year was that?*
> 
> Phil designed the boat in 1968 and we began having them produced in 1970.
> 
> *What do you most enjoy about the sailboat business?*
> 
> The customers. My customers have all been wonderful. Well, once there was a
> guy who was a pain in the neck. He came to my office and I sat him down and
> got out my checkbook and started writing. He said what are you doing? I
> said I?m giving you your money back. He said I don?t want the money; I want
> your boat. So I told him to stop being such a pain in the neck and he
> agreed. And there was one other guy who liked the boat and bought it, but
> came back and said his family didn?t take to it and asked if I would take
> it back. I said yes I?ll give you all of your money back. He said you?ll
> give all my money back? I said sure. I don?t want anybody sailing the boat
> who isn?t happy with it. I always tell my customers that they are our sales
> force. We don?t sell through dealers. So you?ve got to be happy with the
> boat. If you are not happy, I?m not going to let you keep it.
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> 
> *How many Rhodes 22s have been built?*
> 
> 2,500. That is not an exact number as through the years we lost track of a
> few, but at least 2,500.
> 
> *Tell me about your recycled boats?*
> 
> As the sales of new boats dropped off I started thinking of ways to make up
> for it. So I came up with the recycled boat program. We would purchase
> older hulls, go completely over them, and sell them for much less than a
> new boat. And they look and perform like new boats. I have a boat out in
> the yard now that is 30 years old and a customer the other day thought it
> was new. The recycled boats kept us in business. But it was a double-edged
> sword as it hurt further the new boat business. But, we are still in
> business.
> 
> *Are you the only builder that has a recycle program?*
> 
> To my knowledge, yes. The reason it worked is that we sold direct. It would
> not work if you sold through dealers, which most builders do.
> 
> *Did you go to Annapolis this year?*
> 
> Yes, we were at the first show in1970 and have not missed a single show.
> 
> *You have shown at every Annapolis Boat Show?*
> 
> Yes, we?ve worked our way up from being way in the rear end of the show to
> what I call the prime corner location. We have shown at 45 shows and hope
> to make 50. *?SCA?*
> 
> *Stan Spitzer and the Rhodes 22 have a very strong following of owners,
> known as Rhodies, who are fiercely loyal to Stan and the Rhodes 22. Stan is
> still selling new and recycled Rhodes 22s at his plant in Edenton, North
> Carolina. *
> 
> *Jerry Thompson is an Information Systems professional who works and lives
> in eastern North Carolina. He learned to sail over 25 years ago at the
> Armed Forces Recreation Center, Lake Chiemsee, Germany. North Carolina?s
> milder winters keep Jerry on the water year round.*
> 
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From koatimundi100 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 16:25:05 2024
From: koatimundi100 at gmail.com (peter klappert)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 16:25:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] head ventilation (Rhodes22-list Digest,
	Vol 4576), Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2283.1722365923.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.2283.1722365923.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <CAEZbNGBRQ+jL0XbCksraLtA2c=SboJTQ0H+m+aBeSnS32B4LgQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was the first?possibly the only?Rhodie who substituted an Airhead
composting head for the marine toilet and holding tank. (My R22 is kept on
a lift at my dock: I didn?t want to have to find a pump out station.) It
has a vent tube with a small computer fan, tho I doubt that affords much
head ventilation.
      But I also had Stan install a solar fan (rechargeable batteries) in
the deck over the v-berth, way up in the bow. It pushes a great deal of air
through the whole cabin. With the sliding panel between the v-berth and
head pushed open, it keeps the head well-ventilated (indeed, it ventilates
the whole cabin).






*>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*

*Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*





On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 2:58?PM <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org> wrote:

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>    1. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews)
>    2. Re: Head ventilation (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>    3. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Michael McKay)
>    4. Re: Head ventilation (Scott Andrews)
>    5. Re: Boom Rigging Question (PBR)
>    6. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Mike)
>    7. Re: Head ventilation (Mary Lou Troy)
>    8. Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Michael McKay)
>    9. Re: Boom Rigging Question (Todd Tavares)
>   10. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (Graham Stewart)
>   11. Re: How to replace forward lower chainplates? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>   12. Re: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer (Frank Goldsmith)
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:05:22 -0400
> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> Message-ID: <216AD1F0-4896-4812-9618-48135BA84B45 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I rebuilt
> the
> > interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple bilge
> > pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >
> >> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I want
> >> to
> >>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff
> >> I'm
> >>> really jealous of!
> >>>
> >>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're
> all
> >>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch
> >>> over
> >>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that
> >> are
> >>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> worried
> >>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >>>
> >>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> >>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> >> better
> >>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you
> some
> >>> headroom! Thanks!
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:23:10 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>         <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> Message-ID:
>         <
> MN2PR10MB42886A2EAACCF5F9D2A2AC1C80B62 at MN2PR10MB4288.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi All,
>
> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask.  I would like
> to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
> implemented those 2 opening hatches.  Those 2 hatches together represent a
> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut
> into it without compromising the structure?  If Stan had to reinforce the
> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any
> advertisement that I saw.  I wish there was someone to ask re this issue
> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?.  Scott, I advise
> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if
> you weaken it too much.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
> rebuilt the
> >> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
> bilge
> >> pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <Mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I
> want
> >>> to
> >>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some stuff
> >>> I'm
> >>>> really jealous of!
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're
> all
> >>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a hatch
> >>>> over
> >>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches that
> >>> are
> >>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> worried
> >>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> >>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> >>> better
> >>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you
> some
> >>>> headroom! Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:11:15 -0400
> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> Message-ID: <3E65320C-991D-4057-B001-D79B5C544C06 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Mike, on my boat the topping lift runs down outside the mast to a block on
> the port cabin top near the hand rail and then back through a cam cleat at
> the cockpit, similar to the jib furling line.
>
>
> Michael McKay
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 7:35?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Mike,
> >
> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex.
> On my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the
> masthead.  I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached it
> to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom.  Now, if you want to adjust
> the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head.  This is at
> least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with
> less windage too.  Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and
> effort to rebuild the factory setup.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hello everyone!
> >>
> >> My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now.
> Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of that
> time.
> >> I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year
> delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and
> then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
> >> I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom
> lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't make
> any sense.
> >> I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's just
> rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it was
> Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
> >> Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. It's
> an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
> >> The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the
> top of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the
> manual. However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF
> rotating shaft.
> >> I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can visualize
> it.
> >> Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's
> been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines on
> the bottom of the boom.
> >> At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can still
> order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is routed
> thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things out.
> >> Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would make
> sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..."
> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
> >>
> >> Mike Blagg
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:21:20 -0400
> From: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>
> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> Message-ID: <8602DCF2-A4C3-4B30-AAD8-21C7857737E0 at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a
> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches.
> Scott A.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi All,
> >
> > Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask.  I would
> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
> implemented those 2 opening hatches.  Those 2 hatches together represent a
> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut
> into it without compromising the structure?  If Stan had to reinforce the
> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any
> advertisement that I saw.  I wish there was someone to ask re this issue
> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?.  Scott, I advise
> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if
> you weaken it too much.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
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> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
> rebuilt the
> >>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
> bilge
> >>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I
> want
> >>>> to
> >>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
> stuff
> >>>> I'm
> >>>>> really jealous of!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but they're
> all
> >>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
> hatch
> >>>>> over
> >>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
> that
> >>>> are
> >>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> worried
> >>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> >>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> >>>> better
> >>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give you
> some
> >>>>> headroom! Thanks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 08:22:36 -0400
> From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> Message-ID:
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>
> Mike,
> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere
> near the boom carriage.  I have experience with two boats and it just runs
> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the cabin
> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
> Patrick
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 5:15?PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I?ve never understood why Stan made the boom topping lift so complex.  On
> > my Rhodes 22, I just attached a 1/4? piece of double braid to the
> > masthead.  I ran this line directly to the end of the boom and attached
> it
> > to a cam cleat mounted on the end of the boom.  Now, if you want to
> adjust
> > the topping lift, it?s located right above the helmsman?s head.  This is
> at
> > least as convenient and ergonomic as the GBI setup and it?s lighter with
> > less windage too.  Think about it before you go to a lot of trouble and
> > effort to rebuild the factory setup.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 28, 2024, at 4:30?PM, Mike via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Hello everyone!
> > >
> > > My name is Mike and I've had my Rhodes 22 for almost 9 years now.
> > Unfortunately, circumstances kept it in storage for almost of all of that
> > time.
> > > I was finally able to get it out this Summer after the last, two-year
> > delay waiting for sails, then having to replace the headsail furler, and
> > then having to have the sails redone (long story, not the point).
> > > I've figured most of the rigging out, with the exception of the boom
> > lift. I read the previous comments, but the way mine is done doesn't make
> > any sense.
> > > I don't know if the shop messed something up (probably) or if it's just
> > rigged weird. There's a lot of peculiarities with this boat because it
> was
> > Stan's rental until I bought it in 2015.
> > > Many of you have probably sailed on it before buying your Rhodes. It's
> > an older Rhodes with some modern additions and kind of a one-off.
> > > The line from the end of the boom runs up through the sheaves at the
> top
> > of the mast and back down the outside of it, as described in the manual.
> > However, the line then goes through the boom-carriage into the IMF
> rotating
> > shaft.
> > > I am attaching a poorly-drawn representation so that you can visualize
> > it.
> > > Furling and unfurling the mainsail, if I remember correctly and it's
> > been a long time, used to be accomplished with the blue and black lines
> on
> > the bottom of the boom.
> > > At some point, part of the boom-carriage broke (hoping that I can still
> > order parts?) and so the front, black line goes to nothing and is routed
> > thru nothing, currently... which complicates trying to figure things out.
> > > Routing that line through the IMF shaft and to the carriage would make
> > sense, but the line seems a bit short and space seems tight. "Seems..."
> > > Any help would be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Mike Blagg
> > > -------------- next part --------------
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> >
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> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:28:50 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mike <boon_doggy at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> Message-ID: <1962400431.850453.1722256130953 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it, the
> more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line on the
> boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the furler in
> the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it.
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>
>   On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Mike,
> I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere
> near the boom carriage.? I have experience with two boats and it just runs
> from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the cabin
> top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 11:05:44 -0400
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Head ventilation
> Message-ID: <bbf164be-7ee0-4fa7-997a-09d0476d2bbd at atlanticbb.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Just a note here that there are a number of different configurations of
> R22s. I believe that most were built with a compression post. On ours it
> was built into the structure of the semi-enclosed head. When we bought
> the boat (a 1991) to be refurbished in 1998 it did not have overhead
> hatches so we asked Stan about putting a single hatch over the head
> area. He said there was no structural problem doing it so that is what
> we had done.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex 1991 R22 (refurbished 1998)
> now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> On 7/29/2024 7:21 AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> > Greetings all, Roger is quite right about the load on the cabin and a
> compression post had to be added to the boat pictured with the hatches.
> > Scott A.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:23?PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hi All,
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we don?t have Stan available anymore to ask.  I would
> like to ask him if he did anything to reinforce the cabin roof when GBI
> implemented those 2 opening hatches.  Those 2 hatches together represent a
> lot of cabin roof structure removed around the area loaded by the mast.
> Was the cabin roof so over designed initially; that, 2 big holes can be cut
> into it without compromising the structure?  If Stan had to reinforce the
> cabin roof with something like C fiber; then, he never mentioned it in any
> advertisement that I saw.  I wish there was someone to ask re this issue
> because my ?calibrated engineer?s eye? says ?too weak?.  Scott, I advise
> you to proceed cautiously, because the cabin roof would be hard to fix if
> you weaken it too much.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> 1978. Sanford, MI
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 6:05?PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Here?s my friend Don?s hatches
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2024, at 10:56?AM, Kenwood _ <kenwood364 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> ?Stand up head sounds nice! I lowered my head floor by 1" when I
> rebuilt the
> >>>> interior but I didn't go as low as silver heels cuz I have multiple
> bilge
> >>>> pumps. More headroom would be nice
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2024, 10:00?PM Michael D. Weisner <
> Mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's known as a "stand up head" for just that reason.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike
> >>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, July 27, 2024 9:32 pm, Kenwood _ wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hey all! As I'm starting to attack the quality of life mods that I
> want
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>> do in my boat I'm noticing that your more modern boats have some
> stuff
> >>>>> I'm
> >>>>>> really jealous of!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm looking at a lot of ventilation options for the head but
> they're all
> >>>>>> kind of undersized or made for RVs. The new boats seem to have a
> hatch
> >>>>>> over
> >>>>>> the head! That's really awesome, but I can't seem to find hatches
> that
> >>>>> are
> >>>>>> that small it's not a very large space to put in a hatch and I'm
> worried
> >>>>>> about cutting away too much of the roof.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does anybody have hatch dimensions or perhaps know where they can be
> >>>>>> sourced? A hatch that could be opened Right above the head would be
> >>>>> better
> >>>>>> than any RV fan ventilator I can think of and it might even give
> you some
> >>>>>> headroom! Thanks!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 12:16:08 -0400
> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
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> I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my inbox.
> Pure Stan!
>
> Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: from Small Craft Advisor <smallcraftadvisor at substack.com>
> Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM
> Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
> To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>
>
> Owner of General Boats (Rhodes 22)
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> *I had the opportunity to talk with Stan Spitzer, owner of General Boats
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> >,
> in January of 2016 at his General Boats Plant in Edenton, North Carolina.
> General Boats has been in the sailboat business since 1959 and is best
> known for the Rhodes 22. Stan is 90 years old and continues to manage the
> day to day operations of General Boats.?Jerry Thompson*
> <
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> >
>
> *Why and when did you break into the sailboat business?*
>
> I enjoyed sailing and it seemed like a good business to get into. I started
> by thinking about names. I thought an Atom line of sailboats would be
> nice?Atom, 20, Atom 25 etc. In those days, the late 40s, the bomb had been
> dropped and atomic energy was a big deal. Sometime later I bumped into a
> friend from high school who had served in France during the war. He told me
> that they were doing great things with sailboats in France and why don?t we
> import some? I said sure, what have I got to lose? We kept our jobs and
> formed a company called Nordica Corporation. He flew to France and made
> arrangements to bring back a sailboat. The first we imported was a Corsaire
> designed by Herbulot, a famous French designer. It sailed well, but did not
> hold up. It was made of plywood and the French were behind the United
> States in technology. I took one to the New York Boat Show which at the
> time was the only boat show going. And it was gigantic. I was in
> advertising so I wrote the copy and made up a brochure. Time magazine came
> by our booth and wrote us up. The show was mostly motorboats with very few
> sailboats?sailboats where just not that big at the time. My partners had a
> meeting after the show and told me that I was out. Something about me and
> my style didn?t sit well with them so they returned my initial $6,000
> investment and I was out of Nordica Corporation. Years later I ran into one
> of my old partners and he told me to not feel bad about being thrown out as
> they went out of business shortly after kicking me out and lost all their
> investment.
>
> *How did you move on from that disappointing start?*
>
> Well, I was hooked after that first boat show. But I had to start from
> scratch. The graphic artist I worked with at the agency said he liked
> sailboats, so together we formed General Boats in 1959 keeping our day jobs
> of course. This was way before Hunter and Catalina and we even beat O?Day
> into the business. About this time sailing was starting to take off so our
> timing was good.
>
> *How did you decide on the name General Boats?*
>
> I always thought big. So I looked around and said I?ll take the best name I
> can find. There was General Motors, General Electric, General Dynamics so I
> thought I would try General Boats. I was afraid somebody already had it,
> but they didn?t. It was free so we had our name.
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>
> *What was your first boat?*
>
> I sought out a naval architect I had heard of, Nils Lucander. Nils did not
> have a name in those days as he was just starting out. So I asked him to
> design a sailboat and he said sure I?ll do it and he did it for practically
> nothing. And so we came out with the Picnic 17. I wrote the copy for a
> brochure. The graphic artist I worked with did the artwork and it was a
> beautiful brochure. But the boat wasn?t so hot. From my point of view I
> wanted it to do everything to appeal to a broad market. We headlined it as
> a sailboat, motorboat, ski boat, fishing boat. And I found out people who
> came to the show didn?t know what to buy so they brought their experts with
> them who were sailors. And they would say it cannot be all those things; a
> sailboat is a sailboat and a motorboat is a motorboat. I was claiming too
> much.
>
> *Did you produce the Picnic 17?*
>
> No, producing as that was the last thing I wanted to do. I was smart enough
> to know not to get involved with building the boat, let somebody else do
> that. I was approached by Lofland Sail-Craft out of Wichita, Kansas. They
> sought me out and said they would like to build the Picnic 17 for me.
> Francis Lofland was a lovely guy and began producing the Picnic 17 for me.
> But I couldn?t get enough out of him. He had his own business building the
> Snipe and other boats, so I was at the bottom of the list. So I went to
> another company. I went to Ray Greene who was building the Rebel 16 and a
> line of boats. He started building the Picnic 17 for me, but the same thing
> happened: I couldn?t get enough. Ray Greene didn?t turn out a good boat.
> His own boats were okay, but I was not his priority. It was hard to get
> them to put their heart and soul into a product that wasn?t theirs. I went
> to another company in Nova Scotia, Industrial Shipping Company Limited, and
> they were wonderful. They got into building the Picnic 17 and built them
> fast and very well. But then the guy I was dealing with there, George
> McGovern, who was a very nice guy, died, ending my deal with that company
> as he was the guy who wanted to build the Picnic for me. It was one thing
> after another. So I decided at that point if I was going to stay in this
> business I have got to make a boat that has a reputation behind it. Nils
> Lucander would become a big name eventually, but at that point customers
> would ask who the Picnic was designed by and I would tell them Nils
> Lucander, but they never heard of him. So I had to get a name behind me.
>
> *How many Picnic 17s did you sell?*
>
> We ended up selling 350 which encouraged us to stay in the business, but we
> needed a name. Roger McGregor saw the Picnic 17 at a show and told me he
> liked the notion of a sailboat/motorboat. This was before he was building
> sailboats, but he put that idea back in his mind and eventually produced
> his own line of motorsailors. We became very good friends over the years.
> He was a very smart guy, top in his class at Stanford.
>
> *What came after the Picnic 17?*
>
> I needed something new. The naval architects in those days didn?t charge
> based upon their reputations but by the size of the boat they were
> designing. At that time the number one reputation belonged to Phillip
> Rhodes. So I decided that?s easy, you start at the top and when he says no
> you work your way down. His office was on Lexington Avenue also in New York
> City where I was living. So I made up some sketches and went and knocked on
> his door and he answered. There were lots of people working there, it was a
> big firm, but he answered the door. He looked down on me and said ?What do
> you want?? I said I would like you to design a boat for me. I showed him
> the sketches. At that time he would get a call from the Rockefellers saying
> hey Phil I need a 55-foot yacht, and he would design it for them. But there
> I was with sketches of a 22-foot boat and here is this guy a very well
> known, famous naval architect. And he said, ?You know what, I have not
> designed a smaller boat in a long time, I think I want to do this.? I
> almost fell over. And I worked with him a year in his office and I learned
> a lot about designing. Of course he would turn it over to somebody else and
> he would walk around like a school teacher making suggestions, changes and
> corrections.
>
> *Was it expensive to have the top naval architect of the time design your
> boat?*
>
> There were two ways you could work with Phillip Rhodes. You could say it
> was your product and pay a royalty on each hull produced, or you could say
> I?ll commission you and pay you a flat fee and it is my product. I said I?d
> rather own it outright and he said fine.
>
> *The Rhodes 22 has a very unique hull flare. Was that your idea or
> Phillip?s?*
>
> I was always looking at other boats and one was an Olympic racing boat, the
> 505. It had what was called an upside down wineglass shape to the hull. And
> so I wondered about that flare and started thinking about it from an
> engineering point of view. And it began to dawn on me it had a lot of
> advantages. First, it had a built in hiking seat. You could sit out on the
> flare beyond the hull itself, you could carry more sail and keep the boat
> flat, I liked that idea. Then I thought it also makes a very dry hull. In a
> regular sailboat the waves break over the side and into the cockpit, a wave
> hits the flare and goes out away from the cockpit?very dry. I looked at it
> more and recognized that because it was a compound curve instead of a
> simple curve, it would be very strong. So using the same fiberglass the
> other guys use I would have a much stronger hull. The sketches I gave to
> Phil had the flare and he told me he liked what I was doing, but he didn?t
> like the flare, ?That?s a motorboat, doesn?t look like a sailboat.? He
> didn?t like it, but I insisted and he said it was my money so I could go
> for it. After working on it a while Phil said the flare was growing on him.
> By the time he finished he said he liked it.
>
> *I have heard the boat referred to as the Rhodes Continental.*
>
> When I was first thinking about names the Lincoln Continental was a very
> popular automobile, so I tried Rhodes Continental, two big names. But I
> changed that not too long after to the Rhodes 22.
>
> *How was the Rhodes 22 received by the public?*
>
> I had a model made and brought it to the New York boat show, and when
> people saw it they either didn?t like it because it looked like a motorboat
> or they loved it; it was extremes. I didn?t need the whole market, I just
> needed a piece. It came out for $2,500. I put a big red ribbon around it.
> You got the boat, the sails, the cushions, the lines, everything. With all
> other sailboats everything was extra, the price sheet on sailboats in those
> days was pages. I came out with a price for the whole package and that
> worked. I started taking orders.
>
> *What year was that?*
>
> Phil designed the boat in 1968 and we began having them produced in 1970.
>
> *What do you most enjoy about the sailboat business?*
>
> The customers. My customers have all been wonderful. Well, once there was a
> guy who was a pain in the neck. He came to my office and I sat him down and
> got out my checkbook and started writing. He said what are you doing? I
> said I?m giving you your money back. He said I don?t want the money; I want
> your boat. So I told him to stop being such a pain in the neck and he
> agreed. And there was one other guy who liked the boat and bought it, but
> came back and said his family didn?t take to it and asked if I would take
> it back. I said yes I?ll give you all of your money back. He said you?ll
> give all my money back? I said sure. I don?t want anybody sailing the boat
> who isn?t happy with it. I always tell my customers that they are our sales
> force. We don?t sell through dealers. So you?ve got to be happy with the
> boat. If you are not happy, I?m not going to let you keep it.
> <
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> *How many Rhodes 22s have been built?*
>
> 2,500. That is not an exact number as through the years we lost track of a
> few, but at least 2,500.
>
> *Tell me about your recycled boats?*
>
> As the sales of new boats dropped off I started thinking of ways to make up
> for it. So I came up with the recycled boat program. We would purchase
> older hulls, go completely over them, and sell them for much less than a
> new boat. And they look and perform like new boats. I have a boat out in
> the yard now that is 30 years old and a customer the other day thought it
> was new. The recycled boats kept us in business. But it was a double-edged
> sword as it hurt further the new boat business. But, we are still in
> business.
>
> *Are you the only builder that has a recycle program?*
>
> To my knowledge, yes. The reason it worked is that we sold direct. It would
> not work if you sold through dealers, which most builders do.
>
> *Did you go to Annapolis this year?*
>
> Yes, we were at the first show in1970 and have not missed a single show.
>
> *You have shown at every Annapolis Boat Show?*
>
> Yes, we?ve worked our way up from being way in the rear end of the show to
> what I call the prime corner location. We have shown at 45 shows and hope
> to make 50. *?SCA?*
>
> *Stan Spitzer and the Rhodes 22 have a very strong following of owners,
> known as Rhodies, who are fiercely loyal to Stan and the Rhodes 22. Stan is
> still selling new and recycled Rhodes 22s at his plant in Edenton, North
> Carolina. *
>
> *Jerry Thompson is an Information Systems professional who works and lives
> in eastern North Carolina. He learned to sail over 25 years ago at the
> Armed Forces Recreation Center, Lake Chiemsee, Germany. North Carolina?s
> milder winters keep Jerry on the water year round.*
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:05:34 -0400
> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> To: Mike <boon_doggy at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>         <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Rigging Question
> Message-ID:
>         <
> CAB-twMOXo8A2NnK5tEJ7EuTAc5BeGgmx2O0hfad_cBx8B_0oMQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Perhaps the previous owner tucked the loose end into the goose neck
> fitting, so it was not flapping loose during transport?
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024, 2:25 PM Mike via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > It didn't make any sense to me either and the more I thought about it,
> the
> > more I think the shop just rigged it wrong.The forward (black) line on
> the
> > boom car would make more sense running through the holes in the furler in
> > the mast, but I've got to order a new car before I can mess with it.
> >
> > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
> >
> >   On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:22 AM, PBR<pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  Mike,
> > I don't think there is any reason why the topping lift should go anywhere
> > near the boom carriage.  I have experience with two boats and it just
> runs
> > from the boom end to top of mast, back down to a turning block on the
> cabin
> > top, then to a cam cleat near the back edge of the cabin top.
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:16:18 +0000
> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
> Message-ID:
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>
> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place
> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have attached
> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to
> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a section of
> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to create a
> large hole.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Rhodes 22
> Agile, 1976
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>
> Hi Rhodies,
>
> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.
>
> It  is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the inside.
>
> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Mike McKay
> S/V Liber 2006/2108
> Allatoona Lake, GA
>
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:47:01 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
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> Hi All,
>
> One of the first things I replaced when I bought my boat back in 1987 were
> the four lower chainplates.  There is no way to inspect the factory OEM
> lower chainplates.  Sooner or later, water is going to infiltrate into the
> plywood core, causing it to rot.  This is easily fixed by installing 4
> Beckson 4-1/2" white screw-out deck plates (Beckson P/N: DP40-W, Defender
> Marine C/N: 941619, $17.36 each + S&H) thru the cabin liner.  With these
> inspection plates installed, you can thru bolt the lower chainplates thru
> the outer cabin wall and easily inspect them whenever you wish.  I do not
> trust wood screws into the plywood core for this heavily loaded component,
> especially not when the fix is so easy.  Just bite the bullet and do this
> upgrade.  You'll never have to worry about it again.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978  Sanford, MI
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2024 10:16 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>
> The chain plate is a bent stainless-steel tang. Mine was held in place
> with a single screw into the plywood core of the cabin top. I have attached
> a picture of the chainplate. Knowing the width, you should be able to
> calculate pretty accurately where the screw would be. Removing a section of
> the liner should allow you to remove the screw without needing to create a
> large hole.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Rhodes 22
> Agile, 1976
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2024 4:59 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
>
> Hi Rhodies,
>
> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.
>
> It  is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the inside.
>
> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Mike McKay
> S/V Liber 2006/2108
> Allatoona Lake, GA
>
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:58:29 -0400
> From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
> Message-ID: <504CE75E-0E2C-4599-A9E1-BCB7C09CB1F5 at gmail.com>
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>
> Thanks for this ? a joy to read again.  Vintage Stan ? you can just hear
> him speaking.
>
> Frank
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2024, at 12:16?PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my inbox.
> > Pure Stan!
> >
> > Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: from Small Craft Advisor <smallcraftadvisor at substack.com>
> > Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM
> > Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
> > To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Owner of General Boats (Rhodes 22)
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> >Owner
> > of General Boats (Rhodes 22)
> >
> > Jul 29
> >
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 16:51:58 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 16:51:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
In-Reply-To: <3C1F1D38-B3A1-49D6-A6E7-A3CEE9A26193@gmail.com>
References: <3C1F1D38-B3A1-49D6-A6E7-A3CEE9A26193@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMOVhnxSDng7=2o_iCk07MUXJwWRAYoatxmMzQDBpaPoiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Michael,

The construction of the cabin top is a piece of 3/4" (?) plywood,
sandwiched between the outer skin and the inner liner, with a very thick
bed of thickened epoxy on either side.

The chainplate is a six inch tang which has been bent to an acute angle and
screwed to the underside of the plywood with 2 small #8 wood screws.

I hope this makes sense...I don't have Roger's technical writing skills.

After cutting a slot/hole into the cabin ceiling liner and digging out the
old thickened epoxy to get to the two attaching screws; because of the
acute angle of the bend in the chainplate tang and it's closeness to the
side wall cabin liner, you will have to also cut the side wall liner down
the wall a couple inches to fish the entire chainplate down and out. I
ended up doing this and it created a terrible mess. I did however cut
bigger holes at in the roof liner to replace sections of the plywood that
had deteriorated because of leaks. Trying to do fiberglass and epoxy work
overhead is something you only try once, trust me. I gave up.

Stan advised another Rhodes 22 owner whose chainplate got ripped completely
out to do it differently. Stan advised to cut access holes in the cabin
sidewall liner, reinforce the sidewall and mount the chainplates on the
outside. While not  aesthetically pleasing, I would suggest doing it that
way and leave the old chainplate in place.

Attached is the outside view of my installation. I will also post pics of
the way this other Rhodie did it at Stan's advice if I still have them.

Todd T

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024, 11:45 AM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rhodies,
>
> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.
>
> It  is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the
> inside.
>
> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Mike McKay
> S/V Liber 2006/2108
> Allatoona Lake, GA
>
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 17:14:03 2024
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 17:14:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to replace forward lower chainplates?
In-Reply-To: <3C1F1D38-B3A1-49D6-A6E7-A3CEE9A26193@gmail.com>
References: <3C1F1D38-B3A1-49D6-A6E7-A3CEE9A26193@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMNSTajbMOv4KLZWHC+Wkp1Ew++ORXWe+93syLUxq6mdYw@mail.gmail.com>

Michael,

Upon reviewing old photos, I replaced mine in the same manner as Slim,
going on Stan's advice.
I am attaching pics which Slim sent me, as well as a quick sketch showing
the construction layout of the cabin roof and why removing the chainplate
would be difficult. But at least you can see what it looks like inside.

Todd T

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024, 11:45 AM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rhodies,
>
> I damaged one of my forward lower chainplates and need to replace it.
>
> It  is evidently attached to something between the inner and outer
> fiberglass skins, so my plan would be to cut an access hole from the
> inside.
>
> Can you provide any guidance about how best to approach this project?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Mike McKay
> S/V Liber 2006/2108
> Allatoona Lake, GA
>
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 17:51:17 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 17:51:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
In-Reply-To: <504CE75E-0E2C-4599-A9E1-BCB7C09CB1F5@gmail.com>
References: <post-147130528@substack.com>
 <20240729161053.3.1a790152649ffeed@mg1.substack.com>
 <CACo3U6M2gL2t6TKjntHnxkpiJ2BGN6jcq1c7RFz2PMTNHchc3g@mail.gmail.com>
 <504CE75E-0E2C-4599-A9E1-BCB7C09CB1F5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWAPPcJDVPFAHaJpy9rndpMsezQBMvy2oxywgV-EkLkmg@mail.gmail.com>

A joy to re live that moment in time that transcends time.
Chris G
XENOS

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 3:15?PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for this ? a joy to read again.  Vintage Stan ? you can just hear
> him speaking.
>
> Frank
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2024, at 12:16?PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I had read this previously, but it just appeared again today in my inbox.
> > Pure Stan!
> >
> > Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: from Small Craft Advisor <smallcraftadvisor at substack.com>
> > Date: Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 12:11?PM
> > Subject: A Conversation with Stan Spitzer
> > To: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> >
> >
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> >
> > Jul 29
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> >
> > *I had the opportunity to talk with Stan Spitzer, owner of General Boats
> > <
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> >,
> > in January of 2016 at his General Boats Plant in Edenton, North Carolina.
> > General Boats has been in the sailboat business since 1959 and is best
> > known for the Rhodes 22. Stan is 90 years old and continues to manage the
> > day to day operations of General Boats.?Jerry Thompson*
> > <
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> >
> >
> > *Why and when did you break into the sailboat business?*
> >
> > I enjoyed sailing and it seemed like a good business to get into. I
> started
> > by thinking about names. I thought an Atom line of sailboats would be
> > nice?Atom, 20, Atom 25 etc. In those days, the late 40s, the bomb had
> been
> > dropped and atomic energy was a big deal. Sometime later I bumped into a
> > friend from high school who had served in France during the war. He told
> me
> > that they were doing great things with sailboats in France and why don?t
> we
> > import some? I said sure, what have I got to lose? We kept our jobs and
> > formed a company called Nordica Corporation. He flew to France and made
> > arrangements to bring back a sailboat. The first we imported was a
> Corsaire
> > designed by Herbulot, a famous French designer. It sailed well, but did
> not
> > hold up. It was made of plywood and the French were behind the United
> > States in technology. I took one to the New York Boat Show which at the
> > time was the only boat show going. And it was gigantic. I was in
> > advertising so I wrote the copy and made up a brochure. Time magazine
> came
> > by our booth and wrote us up. The show was mostly motorboats with very
> few
> > sailboats?sailboats where just not that big at the time. My partners had
> a
> > meeting after the show and told me that I was out. Something about me and
> > my style didn?t sit well with them so they returned my initial $6,000
> > investment and I was out of Nordica Corporation. Years later I ran into
> one
> > of my old partners and he told me to not feel bad about being thrown out
> as
> > they went out of business shortly after kicking me out and lost all their
> > investment.
> >
> > *How did you move on from that disappointing start?*
> >
> > Well, I was hooked after that first boat show. But I had to start from
> > scratch. The graphic artist I worked with at the agency said he liked
> > sailboats, so together we formed General Boats in 1959 keeping our day
> jobs
> > of course. This was way before Hunter and Catalina and we even beat O?Day
> > into the business. About this time sailing was starting to take off so
> our
> > timing was good.
> >
> > *How did you decide on the name General Boats?*
> >
> > I always thought big. So I looked around and said I?ll take the best
> name I
> > can find. There was General Motors, General Electric, General Dynamics
> so I
> > thought I would try General Boats. I was afraid somebody already had it,
> > but they didn?t. It was free so we had our name.
> > <
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> >
> >
> > *What was your first boat?*
> >
> > I sought out a naval architect I had heard of, Nils Lucander. Nils did
> not
> > have a name in those days as he was just starting out. So I asked him to
> > design a sailboat and he said sure I?ll do it and he did it for
> practically
> > nothing. And so we came out with the Picnic 17. I wrote the copy for a
> > brochure. The graphic artist I worked with did the artwork and it was a
> > beautiful brochure. But the boat wasn?t so hot. From my point of view I
> > wanted it to do everything to appeal to a broad market. We headlined it
> as
> > a sailboat, motorboat, ski boat, fishing boat. And I found out people who
> > came to the show didn?t know what to buy so they brought their experts
> with
> > them who were sailors. And they would say it cannot be all those things;
> a
> > sailboat is a sailboat and a motorboat is a motorboat. I was claiming too
> > much.
> >
> > *Did you produce the Picnic 17?*
> >
> > No, producing as that was the last thing I wanted to do. I was smart
> enough
> > to know not to get involved with building the boat, let somebody else do
> > that. I was approached by Lofland Sail-Craft out of Wichita, Kansas. They
> > sought me out and said they would like to build the Picnic 17 for me.
> > Francis Lofland was a lovely guy and began producing the Picnic 17 for
> me.
> > But I couldn?t get enough out of him. He had his own business building
> the
> > Snipe and other boats, so I was at the bottom of the list. So I went to
> > another company. I went to Ray Greene who was building the Rebel 16 and a
> > line of boats. He started building the Picnic 17 for me, but the same
> thing
> > happened: I couldn?t get enough. Ray Greene didn?t turn out a good boat.
> > His own boats were okay, but I was not his priority. It was hard to get
> > them to put their heart and soul into a product that wasn?t theirs. I
> went
> > to another company in Nova Scotia, Industrial Shipping Company Limited,
> and
> > they were wonderful. They got into building the Picnic 17 and built them
> > fast and very well. But then the guy I was dealing with there, George
> > McGovern, who was a very nice guy, died, ending my deal with that company
> > as he was the guy who wanted to build the Picnic for me. It was one thing
> > after another. So I decided at that point if I was going to stay in this
> > business I have got to make a boat that has a reputation behind it. Nils
> > Lucander would become a big name eventually, but at that point customers
> > would ask who the Picnic was designed by and I would tell them Nils
> > Lucander, but they never heard of him. So I had to get a name behind me.
> >
> > *How many Picnic 17s did you sell?*
> >
> > We ended up selling 350 which encouraged us to stay in the business, but
> we
> > needed a name. Roger McGregor saw the Picnic 17 at a show and told me he
> > liked the notion of a sailboat/motorboat. This was before he was building
> > sailboats, but he put that idea back in his mind and eventually produced
> > his own line of motorsailors. We became very good friends over the years.
> > He was a very smart guy, top in his class at Stanford.
> >
> > *What came after the Picnic 17?*
> >
> > I needed something new. The naval architects in those days didn?t charge
> > based upon their reputations but by the size of the boat they were
> > designing. At that time the number one reputation belonged to Phillip
> > Rhodes. So I decided that?s easy, you start at the top and when he says
> no
> > you work your way down. His office was on Lexington Avenue also in New
> York
> > City where I was living. So I made up some sketches and went and knocked
> on
> > his door and he answered. There were lots of people working there, it
> was a
> > big firm, but he answered the door. He looked down on me and said ?What
> do
> > you want?? I said I would like you to design a boat for me. I showed him
> > the sketches. At that time he would get a call from the Rockefellers
> saying
> > hey Phil I need a 55-foot yacht, and he would design it for them. But
> there
> > I was with sketches of a 22-foot boat and here is this guy a very well
> > known, famous naval architect. And he said, ?You know what, I have not
> > designed a smaller boat in a long time, I think I want to do this.? I
> > almost fell over. And I worked with him a year in his office and I
> learned
> > a lot about designing. Of course he would turn it over to somebody else
> and
> > he would walk around like a school teacher making suggestions, changes
> and
> > corrections.
> >
> > *Was it expensive to have the top naval architect of the time design your
> > boat?*
> >
> > There were two ways you could work with Phillip Rhodes. You could say it
> > was your product and pay a royalty on each hull produced, or you could
> say
> > I?ll commission you and pay you a flat fee and it is my product. I said
> I?d
> > rather own it outright and he said fine.
> >
> > *The Rhodes 22 has a very unique hull flare. Was that your idea or
> > Phillip?s?*
> >
> > I was always looking at other boats and one was an Olympic racing boat,
> the
> > 505. It had what was called an upside down wineglass shape to the hull.
> And
> > so I wondered about that flare and started thinking about it from an
> > engineering point of view. And it began to dawn on me it had a lot of
> > advantages. First, it had a built in hiking seat. You could sit out on
> the
> > flare beyond the hull itself, you could carry more sail and keep the boat
> > flat, I liked that idea. Then I thought it also makes a very dry hull.
> In a
> > regular sailboat the waves break over the side and into the cockpit, a
> wave
> > hits the flare and goes out away from the cockpit?very dry. I looked at
> it
> > more and recognized that because it was a compound curve instead of a
> > simple curve, it would be very strong. So using the same fiberglass the
> > other guys use I would have a much stronger hull. The sketches I gave to
> > Phil had the flare and he told me he liked what I was doing, but he
> didn?t
> > like the flare, ?That?s a motorboat, doesn?t look like a sailboat.? He
> > didn?t like it, but I insisted and he said it was my money so I could go
> > for it. After working on it a while Phil said the flare was growing on
> him.
> > By the time he finished he said he liked it.
> >
> > *I have heard the boat referred to as the Rhodes Continental.*
> >
> > When I was first thinking about names the Lincoln Continental was a very
> > popular automobile, so I tried Rhodes Continental, two big names. But I
> > changed that not too long after to the Rhodes 22.
> >
> > *How was the Rhodes 22 received by the public?*
> >
> > I had a model made and brought it to the New York boat show, and when
> > people saw it they either didn?t like it because it looked like a
> motorboat
> > or they loved it; it was extremes. I didn?t need the whole market, I just
> > needed a piece. It came out for $2,500. I put a big red ribbon around it.
> > You got the boat, the sails, the cushions, the lines, everything. With
> all
> > other sailboats everything was extra, the price sheet on sailboats in
> those
> > days was pages. I came out with a price for the whole package and that
> > worked. I started taking orders.
> >
> > *What year was that?*
> >
> > Phil designed the boat in 1968 and we began having them produced in 1970.
> >
> > *What do you most enjoy about the sailboat business?*
> >
> > The customers. My customers have all been wonderful. Well, once there
> was a
> > guy who was a pain in the neck. He came to my office and I sat him down
> and
> > got out my checkbook and started writing. He said what are you doing? I
> > said I?m giving you your money back. He said I don?t want the money; I
> want
> > your boat. So I told him to stop being such a pain in the neck and he
> > agreed. And there was one other guy who liked the boat and bought it, but
> > came back and said his family didn?t take to it and asked if I would take
> > it back. I said yes I?ll give you all of your money back. He said you?ll
> > give all my money back? I said sure. I don?t want anybody sailing the
> boat
> > who isn?t happy with it. I always tell my customers that they are our
> sales
> > force. We don?t sell through dealers. So you?ve got to be happy with the
> > boat. If you are not happy, I?m not going to let you keep it.
> > <
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> >
> >
> > *How many Rhodes 22s have been built?*
> >
> > 2,500. That is not an exact number as through the years we lost track of
> a
> > few, but at least 2,500.
> >
> > *Tell me about your recycled boats?*
> >
> > As the sales of new boats dropped off I started thinking of ways to make
> up
> > for it. So I came up with the recycled boat program. We would purchase
> > older hulls, go completely over them, and sell them for much less than a
> > new boat. And they look and perform like new boats. I have a boat out in
> > the yard now that is 30 years old and a customer the other day thought it
> > was new. The recycled boats kept us in business. But it was a
> double-edged
> > sword as it hurt further the new boat business. But, we are still in
> > business.
> >
> > *Are you the only builder that has a recycle program?*
> >
> > To my knowledge, yes. The reason it worked is that we sold direct. It
> would
> > not work if you sold through dealers, which most builders do.
> >
> > *Did you go to Annapolis this year?*
> >
> > Yes, we were at the first show in1970 and have not missed a single show.
> >
> > *You have shown at every Annapolis Boat Show?*
> >
> > Yes, we?ve worked our way up from being way in the rear end of the show
> to
> > what I call the prime corner location. We have shown at 45 shows and hope
> > to make 50. *?SCA?*
> >
> > *Stan Spitzer and the Rhodes 22 have a very strong following of owners,
> > known as Rhodies, who are fiercely loyal to Stan and the Rhodes 22. Stan
> is
> > still selling new and recycled Rhodes 22s at his plant in Edenton, North
> > Carolina. *
> >
> > *Jerry Thompson is an Information Systems professional who works and
> lives
> > in eastern North Carolina. He learned to sail over 25 years ago at the
> > Armed Forces Recreation Center, Lake Chiemsee, Germany. North Carolina?s
> > milder winters keep Jerry on the water year round.*
> >
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From davidmberg at mac.com  Wed Jul 31 19:02:02 2024
From: davidmberg at mac.com (DAVID BERG)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 18:02:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF furling line specs
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Rhodies,

This question is regarding the IMF inmast furling for the mainsail.

I?ve watched Peter Nyberg?s excellent video, Ep 25: Replacing the mainsail furling line, but I am wondering if anyone knows the length and diameter of this line. I?m not at the boat and would like to purchase the line before bringing it in and taking down the mast.

Also, is Dyneema a good choice or just a good-quality rigging line?

Thanks!

David Berg
Blue Loon
1996/2003
Minneapolis, MN


From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 31 22:13:09 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:13:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure question
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?
Hi All??On my pop top enclosure there are six plastic strips with button fasteners on the ends.? They hang down from the inside ceiling with two by each window and two more in front of the door.? With the door unzipped and rolled up the two strips loop around the door and snap into matching buttons on the top of the enclosure on the companion way hatch.? This keeps the door nicely out of the way, and is how I think these strips were designed to be used.? But what of strips by the windows?? What are they intended for?? At first glance I assumed they were to be used, like the door, to hold the windows open to allow the breeze into the cabin, but they are on the inside and the screens are sewn shut.? So what purpose do they serve???? Does anyone have this same configuration on their pop top enclosure?? What do you do with there strips??
Thanks,Peter?
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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 31 23:20:21 2024
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:20:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF furling line specs
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I have the same question, and agree Peter?s video is great - I need to replace mine on my ?86 R22 as well - the previous owner used an old piece of fuzzy 3/8? which is too thick - I was going to try 1/4? unless Peter or anyone here thinks 5/16? is better.  I have a note here that the length should be the boom length + 6 feet but not sure where I go that from. 
  
I like the paracord-like (1/4??) line that Stan put on my 2014 Rhodes when it was new but I?m not sure if it?s paracord. 
  
Larry

> On Jul 31, 2024, at 7:02?PM, DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Rhodies,
> 
> This question is regarding the IMF inmast furling for the mainsail.
> 
> I?ve watched Peter Nyberg?s excellent video, Ep 25: Replacing the mainsail furling line, but I am wondering if anyone knows the length and diameter of this line. I?m not at the boat and would like to purchase the line before bringing it in and taking down the mast.
> 
> Also, is Dyneema a good choice or just a good-quality rigging line?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> David Berg
> Blue Loon
> 1996/2003
> Minneapolis, MN
>