From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Nov  1 09:25:47 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2024 09:25:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] General Boats update
Message-ID: <E1t6ret-000000081WS-26xh@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Cindy,

Thanks very much for keeping the list updated on the status of General Boats.  It's good to know that some parts continue to be available.  I'm curious as to whether new parts are being made as demand warrants (for instance boom cars), or if existing inventory is just being drawn down.

It's also good to know that trailers with Stan's Rhodes 22 specific enhancements can be purchased directly from Triad Trailers.  

Please continue to keep us posted on developments at General Boats.

Thanks,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]

> On 2024-10-31, at 15:47:58 EDT, Cindy Spitzer wrote:
>
> Hello Rhodes Friends,
> 
> This is Cindy Spitzer, daughter of Rhodes 22 designer and General Boats owner, 
> Stan Spitzer, who passed away earlier this year at age 98. 
> 
> In case anyone is wondering, here's where we currently stand regarding General 
> Boats. 
> 
> First, the General Boats Parts Department is still open and functioning as 
> before. Anyone who would like to see if a particular Rhodes 22 part may be 
> available, can email Stan at generalboats.com and someone will respond to you. 
> 
> Second, as most of you know, Stan's Rhodes 22 recycling program ended many years 
> ago.  However, there are several used Rhodes 22 sailboats available for sale, 
> with various features and extras, in some cases including new sails.  Good, 
> road-worthy used Rhodes trailers are in shorter supply.  New Rhodes 22 trailers 
> can be purchased directly from Triad Trailers. Alternatively, delivery of a 
> purchased Rhodes can potentially be arranged through someone in the Parts 
> Department. 
> 
> Finally, we are in no rush to sell the General Boats 9-acre industrial property 
> in Edenton, North Carolina, but offers are nonetheless coming in. If anyone has 
> any interest in the Edenton property or any interest in potentially continuing 
> the Rhodes business in some way at any location, please contact my brother Skip 
> Spitzer: skip at rootaction.org 
> 
> I appreciate you all.  Stan would be so happy knowing that enjoyment of his 
> sailboat lives on in each of you.  Like the man himself, it certainly is one of 
> a kind. 
> 
> All my best,
> 
> Cindy
> 



From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri Nov  1 13:48:56 2024
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2024 13:48:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] General Boats update
In-Reply-To: <E1t6ret-000000081WS-26xh@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
References: <E1t6ret-000000081WS-26xh@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
Message-ID: <60357A48-436D-42D6-BFE3-CDC7A9F9787B@verizon.net>

Thanks Cindy for the update! I wasn?t sure how to respond to inquiries. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2024, at 9:25?AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Cindy,
> 
> Thanks very much for keeping the list updated on the status of General Boats.  It's good to know that some parts continue to be available.  I'm curious as to whether new parts are being made as demand warrants (for instance boom cars), or if existing inventory is just being drawn down.
> 
> It's also good to know that trailers with Stan's Rhodes 22 specific enhancements can be purchased directly from Triad Trailers.  
> 
> Please continue to keep us posted on developments at General Boats.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
> 
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> 
>> On 2024-10-31, at 15:47:58 EDT, Cindy Spitzer wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Rhodes Friends,
>> 
>> This is Cindy Spitzer, daughter of Rhodes 22 designer and General Boats owner,
>> Stan Spitzer, who passed away earlier this year at age 98.
>> 
>> In case anyone is wondering, here's where we currently stand regarding General
>> Boats.
>> 
>> First, the General Boats Parts Department is still open and functioning as
>> before. Anyone who would like to see if a particular Rhodes 22 part may be
>> available, can email Stan at generalboats.com and someone will respond to you.
>> 
>> Second, as most of you know, Stan's Rhodes 22 recycling program ended many years
>> ago.  However, there are several used Rhodes 22 sailboats available for sale,
>> with various features and extras, in some cases including new sails.  Good,
>> road-worthy used Rhodes trailers are in shorter supply.  New Rhodes 22 trailers
>> can be purchased directly from Triad Trailers. Alternatively, delivery of a
>> purchased Rhodes can potentially be arranged through someone in the Parts
>> Department.
>> 
>> Finally, we are in no rush to sell the General Boats 9-acre industrial property
>> in Edenton, North Carolina, but offers are nonetheless coming in. If anyone has
>> any interest in the Edenton property or any interest in potentially continuing
>> the Rhodes business in some way at any location, please contact my brother Skip
>> Spitzer: skip at rootaction.org
>> 
>> I appreciate you all.  Stan would be so happy knowing that enjoyment of his
>> sailboat lives on in each of you.  Like the man himself, it certainly is one of
>> a kind.
>> 
>> All my best,
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
> 
> 


From rodellner at mac.com  Fri Nov  1 19:35:45 2024
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2024 17:35:45 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] General Boats update
In-Reply-To: <60357A48-436D-42D6-BFE3-CDC7A9F9787B@verizon.net>
References: <60357A48-436D-42D6-BFE3-CDC7A9F9787B@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <7AECF0E6-6E0B-4520-A22C-9FF806A5B6A7@mac.com>

Thanks Cindy for the update!!   
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2024, at 11:49?AM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Cindy for the update! I wasn?t sure how to respond to inquiries.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2024, at 9:25?AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Cindy,
>> 
>> Thanks very much for keeping the list updated on the status of General Boats.  It's good to know that some parts continue to be available.  I'm curious as to whether new parts are being made as demand warrants (for instance boom cars), or if existing inventory is just being drawn down.
>> 
>> It's also good to know that trailers with Stan's Rhodes 22 specific enhancements can be purchased directly from Triad Trailers.  
>> 
>> Please continue to keep us posted on developments at General Boats.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>> 
>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>> 
>>>> On 2024-10-31, at 15:47:58 EDT, Cindy Spitzer wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Rhodes Friends,
>>> 
>>> This is Cindy Spitzer, daughter of Rhodes 22 designer and General Boats owner,
>>> Stan Spitzer, who passed away earlier this year at age 98.
>>> 
>>> In case anyone is wondering, here's where we currently stand regarding General
>>> Boats.
>>> 
>>> First, the General Boats Parts Department is still open and functioning as
>>> before. Anyone who would like to see if a particular Rhodes 22 part may be
>>> available, can email Stan at generalboats.com and someone will respond to you.
>>> 
>>> Second, as most of you know, Stan's Rhodes 22 recycling program ended many years
>>> ago.  However, there are several used Rhodes 22 sailboats available for sale,
>>> with various features and extras, in some cases including new sails.  Good,
>>> road-worthy used Rhodes trailers are in shorter supply.  New Rhodes 22 trailers
>>> can be purchased directly from Triad Trailers. Alternatively, delivery of a
>>> purchased Rhodes can potentially be arranged through someone in the Parts
>>> Department.
>>> 
>>> Finally, we are in no rush to sell the General Boats 9-acre industrial property
>>> in Edenton, North Carolina, but offers are nonetheless coming in. If anyone has
>>> any interest in the Edenton property or any interest in potentially continuing
>>> the Rhodes business in some way at any location, please contact my brother Skip
>>> Spitzer: skip at rootaction.org
>>> 
>>> I appreciate you all.  Stan would be so happy knowing that enjoyment of his
>>> sailboat lives on in each of you.  Like the man himself, it certainly is one of
>>> a kind.
>>> 
>>> All my best,
>>> 
>>> Cindy
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

From otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com  Sun Nov  3 09:33:29 2024
From: otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com (Tom Galbreath)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 14:33:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issues 2017 Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <MN0PR84MB3892CA3FC51373F4FF94C7F2D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I purchased a showboat from Stan in 2019, the boat was constructed in 2017.  Recently when switching the power on in the boat, I experienced an extreme electrical short that caused my cables to meltdown between the batteries.  I fear I was close to having the boat catch fire, I managed to remove the cables from the battery while using fire extinguisher and battling smoke inhalation.  I hired a certified marine electrician, and he found many issues with the wiring including lack of adequate circuit breakers, use of automotive wiring and not marine rated wiring.   He also found GFCI line and load reversed.

I was fortunate to meet and visit Stan and know this is not what he intended for his beloved Rhodes 22, I fear the quality control was absent in his later years.  I wanted to get this information out to owners and suggest you might want to have a qualified marine electrician review your wiring.  Hopefully, my situation was a one-off scenario.


From otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com  Sun Nov  3 09:35:21 2024
From: otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com (Tom Galbreath)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 14:35:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issue with 2017 Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <MN0PR84MB38920BB50E390DF79EE34048D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I purchased a showboat from Stan in 2019, the boat was constructed in 2017.  Recently when switching the power on in the boat, I experienced an extreme electrical short that caused my cables to meltdown between the batteries.  I fear I was close to having the boat catch fire, I managed to remove the cables from the battery while using fire extinguisher and battling smoke inhalation.  I hired a certified marine electrician, and he found many issues with the wiring including lack of adequate circuit breakers, use of automotive wiring and not marine rated wiring.   He also found GFCI line and load reversed.

I was fortunate to meet and visit Stan and know this is not what he intended for his beloved Rhodes 22, I fear the quality control was absent in his later years.  I wanted to get this information out to owners and suggest you might want to have a qualified marine electrician review your wiring.  Hopefully, my situation was a one-off scenario.


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 09:45:26 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 08:45:26 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issue with 2017 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <MN0PR84MB38920BB50E390DF79EE34048D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <MN0PR84MB38920BB50E390DF79EE34048D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1D2027F0-40F1-4C94-BFCA-C6746128CD0E@gmail.com>

Thank you so much for this information! It may be a single boat issue or several boats could be at risk. I?ll check my refurbished in 2017 to be safe. 
Chris Geankoplis
Xenos
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2024, at 8:35?AM, Tom Galbreath <otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I purchased a showboat from Stan in 2019, the boat was constructed in 2017.  Recently when switching the power on in the boat, I experienced an extreme electrical short that caused my cables to meltdown between the batteries.  I fear I was close to having the boat catch fire, I managed to remove the cables from the battery while using fire extinguisher and battling smoke inhalation.  I hired a certified marine electrician, and he found many issues with the wiring including lack of adequate circuit breakers, use of automotive wiring and not marine rated wiring.   He also found GFCI line and load reversed.
> 
> I was fortunate to meet and visit Stan and know this is not what he intended for his beloved Rhodes 22, I fear the quality control was absent in his later years.  I wanted to get this information out to owners and suggest you might want to have a qualified marine electrician review your wiring.  Hopefully, my situation was a one-off scenario.
> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Nov  3 11:02:58 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2024 11:02:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issue with 2017 Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <E1t7d46-0000000DCDK-3Zb8@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

My boat was recycled in 2016.  I've rewired most of it by this point, but as I recall, when I got the boat there was definitely a lack of adequate circuit breakers.  There should be a properly rated fuse as close to each battery or bank of batteries as you can manage.  Definitely within a foot.  I chose a 40 amp MRBF fuse because that's the max capacity of the electrical breaker/switch panel.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]

> On 2024-11-03, at 09:35:21 EST, Tom Galbreath wrote:
>
> I purchased a showboat from Stan in 2019, the boat was constructed in 2017.  
> Recently when switching the power on in the boat, I experienced an extreme 
> electrical short that caused my cables to meltdown between the batteries.  I 
> fear I was close to having the boat catch fire, I managed to remove the cables 
> from the battery while using fire extinguisher and battling smoke inhalation.  I 
> hired a certified marine electrician, and he found many issues with the wiring 
> including lack of adequate circuit breakers, use of automotive wiring and not 
> marine rated wiring.   He also found GFCI line and load reversed. 
> 
> I was fortunate to meet and visit Stan and know this is not what he intended for 
> his beloved Rhodes 22, I fear the quality control was absent in his later years. 
>  I wanted to get this information out to owners and suggest you might want to 
> have a qualified marine electrician review your wiring.  Hopefully, my situation 
> was a one-off scenario. 
> 
> 



From snstaum at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 15:41:57 2024
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 15:41:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issue with 2017 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <MN0PR84MB38920BB50E390DF79EE34048D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <MN0PR84MB38920BB50E390DF79EE34048D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjceE7+QKuR+eyX=Cr+jZMgnK_mibFbPY3odR+FH4wmu=g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the heads up Tom.  I have a 2016 refurb and it has had some
weird grounding issues since I bought it in 2021.  My running lights rarely
work (a wire is missing from the circuit board panel connection for them)
and the installed VHF radio does not turn on sometimes.  When that happens
I turn on all of the breakers and then the radio magically turns on.  Any
thoughts Rhodies?

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*

*(781) 704-1037*



On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 9:54?AM Tom Galbreath <otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com>
wrote:

> I purchased a showboat from Stan in 2019, the boat was constructed in
> 2017.  Recently when switching the power on in the boat, I experienced an
> extreme electrical short that caused my cables to meltdown between the
> batteries.  I fear I was close to having the boat catch fire, I managed to
> remove the cables from the battery while using fire extinguisher and
> battling smoke inhalation.  I hired a certified marine electrician, and he
> found many issues with the wiring including lack of adequate circuit
> breakers, use of automotive wiring and not marine rated wiring.   He also
> found GFCI line and load reversed.
>
> I was fortunate to meet and visit Stan and know this is not what he
> intended for his beloved Rhodes 22, I fear the quality control was absent
> in his later years.  I wanted to get this information out to owners and
> suggest you might want to have a qualified marine electrician review your
> wiring.  Hopefully, my situation was a one-off scenario.
>
>

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 16:24:42 2024
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 16:24:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issue with 2017 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjceE7+QKuR+eyX=Cr+jZMgnK_mibFbPY3odR+FH4wmu=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MN0PR84MB38920BB50E390DF79EE34048D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <CAOo_FjceE7+QKuR+eyX=Cr+jZMgnK_mibFbPY3odR+FH4wmu=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRqg75sfWN+TzdKM+Lqu-2bYh=isSC4EC6B968+VFaE0Lw@mail.gmail.com>

Stephen, it is my understanding that the radio should be wired directly to
the battery with an online fuse.

Cary
SV  Whisper 86
Claytor Lake, VA

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024, 4:19?PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up Tom.  I have a 2016 refurb and it has had some
> weird grounding issues since I bought it in 2021.  My running lights rarely
> work (a wire is missing from the circuit board panel connection for them)
> and the installed VHF radio does not turn on sometimes.  When that happens
> I turn on all of the breakers and then the radio magically turns on.  Any
> thoughts Rhodies?
>
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>
> *Stephen Staum*
>
> *(781) 704-1037*
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 9:54?AM Tom Galbreath <otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I purchased a showboat from Stan in 2019, the boat was constructed in
> > 2017.  Recently when switching the power on in the boat, I experienced an
> > extreme electrical short that caused my cables to meltdown between the
> > batteries.  I fear I was close to having the boat catch fire, I managed
> to
> > remove the cables from the battery while using fire extinguisher and
> > battling smoke inhalation.  I hired a certified marine electrician, and
> he
> > found many issues with the wiring including lack of adequate circuit
> > breakers, use of automotive wiring and not marine rated wiring.   He also
> > found GFCI line and load reversed.
> >
> > I was fortunate to meet and visit Stan and know this is not what he
> > intended for his beloved Rhodes 22, I fear the quality control was absent
> > in his later years.  I wanted to get this information out to owners and
> > suggest you might want to have a qualified marine electrician review your
> > wiring.  Hopefully, my situation was a one-off scenario.
> >
> >
>

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 08:36:21 2024
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 08:36:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issues 2017 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <MN0PR84MB3892CA3FC51373F4FF94C7F2D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <MN0PR84MB3892CA3FC51373F4FF94C7F2D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMD2q0R7zJmt0RUFLTLOF+FrVEiFQB=-ShziOxq38=te_g@mail.gmail.com>

Tom,

Stan was a great boat builder but not a good electrician.  His boats have
never been at accepted marine standards for electrical installations.  I
did some warranty work for him on a couple of boats about 15 years ago.
The issues you noted were present then as well.

Hank

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 12:39?PM Tom Galbreath <otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com>
wrote:

> I purchased a showboat from Stan in 2019, the boat was constructed in
> 2017.  Recently when switching the power on in the boat, I experienced an
> extreme electrical short that caused my cables to meltdown between the
> batteries.  I fear I was close to having the boat catch fire, I managed to
> remove the cables from the battery while using fire extinguisher and
> battling smoke inhalation.  I hired a certified marine electrician, and he
> found many issues with the wiring including lack of adequate circuit
> breakers, use of automotive wiring and not marine rated wiring.   He also
> found GFCI line and load reversed.
>
> I was fortunate to meet and visit Stan and know this is not what he
> intended for his beloved Rhodes 22, I fear the quality control was absent
> in his later years.  I wanted to get this information out to owners and
> suggest you might want to have a qualified marine electrician review your
> wiring.  Hopefully, my situation was a one-off scenario.
>
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Nov  4 10:20:17 2024
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 15:20:17 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issues 2017 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMD2q0R7zJmt0RUFLTLOF+FrVEiFQB=-ShziOxq38=te_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MN0PR84MB3892CA3FC51373F4FF94C7F2D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <CADQNfMD2q0R7zJmt0RUFLTLOF+FrVEiFQB=-ShziOxq38=te_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB6985B8F121548A5FEDC738C7C1512@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Im in agreement with Hank.  I've yet to see a Rhodes that was built to acceptable marine standards.

Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 8:36 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issues 2017 Rhodes 22

Tom,

Stan was a great boat builder but not a good electrician.  His boats have
never been at accepted marine standards for electrical installations.  I
did some warranty work for him on a couple of boats about 15 years ago.
The issues you noted were present then as well.

Hank

On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 12:39?PM Tom Galbreath <otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com>
wrote:

> I purchased a showboat from Stan in 2019, the boat was constructed in
> 2017.  Recently when switching the power on in the boat, I experienced an
> extreme electrical short that caused my cables to meltdown between the
> batteries.  I fear I was close to having the boat catch fire, I managed to
> remove the cables from the battery while using fire extinguisher and
> battling smoke inhalation.  I hired a certified marine electrician, and he
> found many issues with the wiring including lack of adequate circuit
> breakers, use of automotive wiring and not marine rated wiring.   He also
> found GFCI line and load reversed.
>
> I was fortunate to meet and visit Stan and know this is not what he
> intended for his beloved Rhodes 22, I fear the quality control was absent
> in his later years.  I wanted to get this information out to owners and
> suggest you might want to have a qualified marine electrician review your
> wiring.  Hopefully, my situation was a one-off scenario.
>
>

From plrhodes29 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 10:38:45 2024
From: plrhodes29 at gmail.com (Paul Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 10:38:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coming Aboard and Mast Raising questions
Message-ID: <CAOFxTtyqYOMHO890O2PH0csT1azujRoF1a2kqXSHDLNEC5gX+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning All,

Permission to come aboard?  We - Paul and Nancy Rhodes of Chapin SC and
Savannah GA - are the proud new owners of a 1990 Rhodes 22, purchased from
a delightful couple in Delaware.  (They are also on this list and I haven't
asked permission to use their names, so I'll just leave it as delightful,
which they are.)  Nancy and I are looking forward to the fellowship and
experience of the Rhodes 22 Owners Group!

First, though I share initials with the famous Philip L Rhodes, I haven't
yet found any familial link.  I'll keep looking!  Actually pictures of him
remind me of pictures of my paternal grandfather, so there may be a shared
gene or two from the distant past, but I'm not making any claims.

As I joked with Stan Spitzer at our one meeting about 5 years ago in
Edenton, one benefit for me of purchasing a Rhodes 22 is that it makes me
an honest man.  For about 25 years, Nancy and I have owned a pirated
Rhodes-designed boat.  The Cheoy Lee Offshore 40 was apparently slightly
modified from the Rhodes Reliant and claimed as a new in-house Cheoy Lee
design.  Both classes were simultaneously built side by side in Hong Kong,
to the displeasure of McCurdy and Rhodes.  The Offshore 40 has been a great
boat (credit to Rhodes), but as we move to get more sailing and less
maintenance, expense, etc., it feels good to be able to say we really own a
Rhodes-designed boat.

I joined the Facebook group the other day, and was delighted to see that
someone is tending Stan's old email address at least in order to sell
whatever parts and accessories may still be in stock.  I've sent an email
there, and I'll also ask here:
Does anyone have a universal mast raising system (the one that can be used
without the trailer), a bimini, and/or a Boom Room to sell, in that order
of priority?

And, if I end up creating my own mast system, is there any reason that I
wouldn't be able to mount the gin pole on the mast step itself?  There is
just enough room between my mast and the sides of the mast step to fit an
open-ended slab of metal on each side.  If my slabs were cut with an
open-ended slot to fit over the mast step  bolt (and with an appropriate
curve on the outside), it seems to me that the gin pole and mast could
pivot on the same axle.  I'm sure someone has considered and perhaps tried
this before; did it work?

May you each have joy,

Paul L Rhodes

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Nov  4 11:29:33 2024
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 11:29:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coming Aboard and Mast Raising questions
In-Reply-To: <CAOFxTtyqYOMHO890O2PH0csT1azujRoF1a2kqXSHDLNEC5gX+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOFxTtyqYOMHO890O2PH0csT1azujRoF1a2kqXSHDLNEC5gX+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46BE075F-F2F3-4B14-93F3-12F9ED93BF9E@stottarchitecture.com>

Welcome Paul 
You?ve made a good choice as long as you have no intention of going off-shore for and extended distance or time.  
Although some Rhodies have cruised on long trips including the Gulf of Mexico and entire Med.., the 22 is a day and weekend sailboat in my world. 
I had considered a mast stepped Gin pole and was about the embark on that journey when I was offered a free home made system, which although a bit funky works pretty well. 
About 6 years ago I screwed down a temporary mahogany  pivot post near the  front of the the coach roof expecting to replace it with Starboard or some other composite - its still there and working fine. 
I think the mast step Gin pole is a viable idea and it should work but other Rhodies might have tried it with different results. 
The system is simple and easy to construct if you have one to model. There are quite a few Rhodes 22?s in your area or near enough to check out. 
Good luck and enjoy your boat. 
Ric 
Dadventure 
Hampton Bays, NY 
 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Nov 4, 2024, at 10:38 AM, Paul Rhodes <plrhodes29 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good morning All,
> 
> Permission to come aboard?  We - Paul and Nancy Rhodes of Chapin SC and
> Savannah GA - are the proud new owners of a 1990 Rhodes 22, purchased from
> a delightful couple in Delaware.  (They are also on this list and I haven't
> asked permission to use their names, so I'll just leave it as delightful,
> which they are.)  Nancy and I are looking forward to the fellowship and
> experience of the Rhodes 22 Owners Group!
> 
> First, though I share initials with the famous Philip L Rhodes, I haven't
> yet found any familial link.  I'll keep looking!  Actually pictures of him
> remind me of pictures of my paternal grandfather, so there may be a shared
> gene or two from the distant past, but I'm not making any claims.
> 
> As I joked with Stan Spitzer at our one meeting about 5 years ago in
> Edenton, one benefit for me of purchasing a Rhodes 22 is that it makes me
> an honest man.  For about 25 years, Nancy and I have owned a pirated
> Rhodes-designed boat.  The Cheoy Lee Offshore 40 was apparently slightly
> modified from the Rhodes Reliant and claimed as a new in-house Cheoy Lee
> design.  Both classes were simultaneously built side by side in Hong Kong,
> to the displeasure of McCurdy and Rhodes.  The Offshore 40 has been a great
> boat (credit to Rhodes), but as we move to get more sailing and less
> maintenance, expense, etc., it feels good to be able to say we really own a
> Rhodes-designed boat.
> 
> I joined the Facebook group the other day, and was delighted to see that
> someone is tending Stan's old email address at least in order to sell
> whatever parts and accessories may still be in stock.  I've sent an email
> there, and I'll also ask here:
> Does anyone have a universal mast raising system (the one that can be used
> without the trailer), a bimini, and/or a Boom Room to sell, in that order
> of priority?
> 
> And, if I end up creating my own mast system, is there any reason that I
> wouldn't be able to mount the gin pole on the mast step itself?  There is
> just enough room between my mast and the sides of the mast step to fit an
> open-ended slab of metal on each side.  If my slabs were cut with an
> open-ended slot to fit over the mast step  bolt (and with an appropriate
> curve on the outside), it seems to me that the gin pole and mast could
> pivot on the same axle.  I'm sure someone has considered and perhaps tried
> this before; did it work?
> 
> May you each have joy,
> 
> Paul L Rhodes


From plrhodes29 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 12:19:45 2024
From: plrhodes29 at gmail.com (Paul Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 12:19:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coming Aboard and Mast Raising questions
In-Reply-To: <46BE075F-F2F3-4B14-93F3-12F9ED93BF9E@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <46BE075F-F2F3-4B14-93F3-12F9ED93BF9E@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <F2AF3D2C-7742-45FC-A58A-486DCDBC7FED@gmail.com>

Thanks Ric!  

Yes, we?ve pretty much decided to do piloting and gunk-holing rather than passage-making, at least in our own boat.  However, our longest ?cruise ? was in a wooden 22ft gaff sloop from Newburyport MA  to NYC, up the Hudson to the NY State Barge Canal to Oswego, across Lake Ontario through the Trent-Severn waterway to Georgian Bay (Lake Huron) and across Lake Superior to the Apostle Islands.  We spread it over 3 summers, having moved to MN. Compared to that boat, which wasn?t trailerable, the Rhodes 22 is a luxury yacht, and with a self-contained mast stepping system,  could do the journey without having the mast down the whole middle leg.  We don?t anticipate repeating that voyage, but expect to enjoy both the ability to trailer and also to pass under a low bridge if it?s in the way of someplace we really want to go.

Paul 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2024, at 11:39?AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Welcome Paul
> You?ve made a good choice as long as you have no intention of going off-shore for and extended distance or time.  
> Although some Rhodies have cruised on long trips including the Gulf of Mexico and entire Med.., the 22 is a day and weekend sailboat in my world.
> I had considered a mast stepped Gin pole and was about the embark on that journey when I was offered a free home made system, which although a bit funky works pretty well.
> About 6 years ago I screwed down a temporary mahogany  pivot post near the  front of the the coach roof expecting to replace it with Starboard or some other composite - its still there and working fine.
> I think the mast step Gin pole is a viable idea and it should work but other Rhodies might have tried it with different results.
> The system is simple and easy to construct if you have one to model. There are quite a few Rhodes 22?s in your area or near enough to check out.
> Good luck and enjoy your boat.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> Hampton Bays, NY
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Nov  4 16:00:09 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 16:00:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coming Aboard and Mast Raising questions
In-Reply-To: <CAOFxTtyqYOMHO890O2PH0csT1azujRoF1a2kqXSHDLNEC5gX+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOFxTtyqYOMHO890O2PH0csT1azujRoF1a2kqXSHDLNEC5gX+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01db2efc$89a72330$9cf56990$@ebsmed.com>

Hi Paul,

Congratulations on getting through the amil list subscription verification process. You now have access to about 30 years of documentation related to the Rhodes 22, from sailing nearly anywhere to rebuilding just about any component. I don't think that any other sailboat has such a wealth of knowledge, preserved for future boat owners.

I created my very own mast crane, mounted to the mast at the tabernacle. It seemed more natural and straightforward than Stan's offset design. Also, there was nothing to trip over on the foredeck.

The description, calculation spreadsheet report, and images are in the Rhodes22.org email archive at: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087728.html

Be very careful about the condition of the foredeck and the strength of the forward docking cleat attachment. Remember that the cleat is mainly used to secure a docking line from the side of the craft (horizontal load). The mast crane will require substantial strength in the vertical axis. The winch line has a maximum calculated load of about 316 lbs. when the mast is at its lowest position. If the cleat pulled out while raising or lowering the mast, the results would not be pretty. My docking cleat is through-bolted to a plate on the underside of the deck to avoid such a mishap.

Take a look and ask your questions.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Paul Rhodes
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:39 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coming Aboard and Mast Raising questions

Good morning All,

Permission to come aboard?  We - Paul and Nancy Rhodes of Chapin SC and Savannah GA - are the proud new owners of a 1990 Rhodes 22, purchased from a delightful couple in Delaware.  (They are also on this list and I haven't asked permission to use their names, so I'll just leave it as delightful, which they are.)  Nancy and I are looking forward to the fellowship and experience of the Rhodes 22 Owners Group!

First, though I share initials with the famous Philip L Rhodes, I haven't yet found any familial link.  I'll keep looking!  Actually pictures of him remind me of pictures of my paternal grandfather, so there may be a shared gene or two from the distant past, but I'm not making any claims.

As I joked with Stan Spitzer at our one meeting about 5 years ago in Edenton, one benefit for me of purchasing a Rhodes 22 is that it makes me an honest man.  For about 25 years, Nancy and I have owned a pirated Rhodes-designed boat.  The Cheoy Lee Offshore 40 was apparently slightly modified from the Rhodes Reliant and claimed as a new in-house Cheoy Lee design.  Both classes were simultaneously built side by side in Hong Kong, to the displeasure of McCurdy and Rhodes.  The Offshore 40 has been a great boat (credit to Rhodes), but as we move to get more sailing and less maintenance, expense, etc., it feels good to be able to say we really own a Rhodes-designed boat.

I joined the Facebook group the other day, and was delighted to see that someone is tending Stan's old email address at least in order to sell whatever parts and accessories may still be in stock.  I've sent an email there, and I'll also ask here:
Does anyone have a universal mast raising system (the one that can be used without the trailer), a bimini, and/or a Boom Room to sell, in that order of priority?

And, if I end up creating my own mast system, is there any reason that I wouldn't be able to mount the gin pole on the mast step itself?  There is just enough room between my mast and the sides of the mast step to fit an open-ended slab of metal on each side.  If my slabs were cut with an open-ended slot to fit over the mast step  bolt (and with an appropriate curve on the outside), it seems to me that the gin pole and mast could pivot on the same axle.  I'm sure someone has considered and perhaps tried this before; did it work?

May you each have joy,

Paul L Rhodes


From rodellner at mac.com  Mon Nov  4 17:09:31 2024
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 15:09:31 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coming Aboard and Mast Raising questions
In-Reply-To: <002b01db2efc$89a72330$9cf56990$@ebsmed.com>
References: <002b01db2efc$89a72330$9cf56990$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <A32F7E6E-3F3D-4376-B436-AE5BE81A5A93@mac.com>

Hi Paul

Welcome to the Rhodies.   The gentleman who owned the sailboat next to ours on mooring always referred to our Rhodes as the ?Swiss army knife of sailboats??

Rod and Mary 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2024, at 2:00?PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Paul,
> 
> Congratulations on getting through the amil list subscription verification process. You now have access to about 30 years of documentation related to the Rhodes 22, from sailing nearly anywhere to rebuilding just about any component. I don't think that any other sailboat has such a wealth of knowledge, preserved for future boat owners.
> 
> I created my very own mast crane, mounted to the mast at the tabernacle. It seemed more natural and straightforward than Stan's offset design. Also, there was nothing to trip over on the foredeck.
> 
> The description, calculation spreadsheet report, and images are in the Rhodes22.org email archive at: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-April/087728.html
> 
> Be very careful about the condition of the foredeck and the strength of the forward docking cleat attachment. Remember that the cleat is mainly used to secure a docking line from the side of the craft (horizontal load). The mast crane will require substantial strength in the vertical axis. The winch line has a maximum calculated load of about 316 lbs. when the mast is at its lowest position. If the cleat pulled out while raising or lowering the mast, the results would not be pretty. My docking cleat is through-bolted to a plate on the underside of the deck to avoid such a mishap.
> 
> Take a look and ask your questions.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Paul Rhodes
> Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 10:39 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coming Aboard and Mast Raising questions
> 
> Good morning All,
> 
> Permission to come aboard?  We - Paul and Nancy Rhodes of Chapin SC and Savannah GA - are the proud new owners of a 1990 Rhodes 22, purchased from a delightful couple in Delaware.  (They are also on this list and I haven't asked permission to use their names, so I'll just leave it as delightful, which they are.)  Nancy and I are looking forward to the fellowship and experience of the Rhodes 22 Owners Group!
> 
> First, though I share initials with the famous Philip L Rhodes, I haven't yet found any familial link.  I'll keep looking!  Actually pictures of him remind me of pictures of my paternal grandfather, so there may be a shared gene or two from the distant past, but I'm not making any claims.
> 
> As I joked with Stan Spitzer at our one meeting about 5 years ago in Edenton, one benefit for me of purchasing a Rhodes 22 is that it makes me an honest man.  For about 25 years, Nancy and I have owned a pirated Rhodes-designed boat.  The Cheoy Lee Offshore 40 was apparently slightly modified from the Rhodes Reliant and claimed as a new in-house Cheoy Lee design.  Both classes were simultaneously built side by side in Hong Kong, to the displeasure of McCurdy and Rhodes.  The Offshore 40 has been a great boat (credit to Rhodes), but as we move to get more sailing and less maintenance, expense, etc., it feels good to be able to say we really own a Rhodes-designed boat.
> 
> I joined the Facebook group the other day, and was delighted to see that someone is tending Stan's old email address at least in order to sell whatever parts and accessories may still be in stock.  I've sent an email there, and I'll also ask here:
> Does anyone have a universal mast raising system (the one that can be used without the trailer), a bimini, and/or a Boom Room to sell, in that order of priority?
> 
> And, if I end up creating my own mast system, is there any reason that I wouldn't be able to mount the gin pole on the mast step itself?  There is just enough room between my mast and the sides of the mast step to fit an open-ended slab of metal on each side.  If my slabs were cut with an open-ended slot to fit over the mast step  bolt (and with an appropriate curve on the outside), it seems to me that the gin pole and mast could pivot on the same axle.  I'm sure someone has considered and perhaps tried this before; did it work?
> 
> May you each have joy,
> 
> Paul L Rhodes
> 

From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 21:54:53 2024
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 21:54:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issue with 2017 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <1D2027F0-40F1-4C94-BFCA-C6746128CD0E@gmail.com>
References: <MN0PR84MB38920BB50E390DF79EE34048D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <1D2027F0-40F1-4C94-BFCA-C6746128CD0E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGJx+AP2TRGzqJP9p9F4jf4ayfO=gSCoMrwDK86qAWpsJm-UA@mail.gmail.com>

Well I can add a couple of cautions.  I currently have two 89 Rhodes, one
recycled 2012.  Don't have time or space for two so I will have one for
sale soon.  I have not yet had an opportunity to check out the recycled
wiring  but I have some info on the original.

1) My running lights appear to be trailer brake wire being yellow and brown
16 gauge.  Yellow is the positive.  Yellow s/b return by marine standard.
I will leave them that way as I put led's in the running lights and it
seems to be OK now.  The wires have no issues after 35 years despite being
non-marine.

2) There were some random uses of black and white wires when I got it but I
can't point fingers at who was responsible after several previous owners.
It was wired for 2 batteries with a switch but no shore power or solar
panel to charge.  Shortly after I got the boat I plugged in a small solar
panel to the cig. lighter type plug.  After a week I found everything
dead.  Turns out the white was positive at the battery switch but black was
positive at the panel.  Not surprising really because the wire from
batteries by the water tank to the panel under the companionway hatch was
solid copper black/white about 14 gauge and looked to me to be house wire.
(by Marine DC the black should be a return and I believe there shouldn't be
a white but with AC black s/b positive)  The whole panel was backwards but
the DC seemed to work OK so I didn't question the polarity.  I never used
the boat at night except the interior lights before that so I don't know
what else I might have found.  My solar panel was destroyed (open circuit
but the small fuse in the plug end was fine curiously),  Batteries charged
back to 12 volts but needed to be replaced soon after as they wouldn't hold
a charge.       A few weeks ago, I replaced the DC power panel so I learned
a lot.  Several wires, like the running lights with 16 gauge trailer wires,
were butt-spliced onto a smaller wire for attachment to the panel. This
will lead to #3.   Continuing with #2, I recently chose to use the white
for positive and black for return but marked both ends very plainly with a
sharpie on a white electrical tape flag.  Not sure really what I "should"
do with the white and black but that is what I did for now.  Sometimes
house wiring professionals use a white wire for a positive but it is
clearly marked with red or black stripes and/or words. (e.g. in 3 or 4  way
switches).  While doing this I found that what I thought was "house wire"
was actually marked "marine" but I still assume it was intended for 110
volt AC. Note: My pop up camper uses black to battery positive and white
for the return, the opposite of what I just did on the boat.  Please advise
if there is an expected way to use black and white on a boat.

3) It has been a few years now since I cautioned the list about the use of
Harbor Freight butt joints.  I may recall this differently than I reported
then but I don't want to research my own postings.  I was thrilled when HF
came to my neighborhood and had cheap tools and parts and had no reason for
caution and bought a lot of stuff there.  Anyway, I rewired my boat trailer
and used those joints and other connectors on everything for a couple of
years.  As I reported, after a year or two, my trailer lights stopped
working.  I found the  4 pin connector I had "connected" to the trailer
wiring by butt splices had power but aft of my very carefully water sealed
(with liquid e-tape) joints there was no power.  Autopsy of the splices
found considerable galvanic corrosion, white power inside the still sealed
areas. No conductance.  easy fix but should not happen ever.  I reported to
the list that the connectors looked like aluminum but I don't know what
they actually were.  The list told me they should be tinned copper as West
Marine sells.  Years later I found my automatic bilge pump not working.
Same thing, corroded butt joints.  In my recent panel replacement I found
another circuit I had added was also dead.  OK get to the point.  I know GB
did buy at least one thing from HF for at least a minute, some of the
winches for the motor lifts.  So....maybe they bought a few electrical
connectors from HF.  So,  if you have unexplained open circuits or
intermittents look for crappy butt joints or other crimp connectors.  This
does not offer any explanation for the short circuit that started this
thread.  Sorry to be so long winded...I only buy from West Marine now but
everything seems to come from china regardless.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 3:24?AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you so much for this information! It may be a single boat issue or
> several boats could be at risk. I?ll check my refurbished in 2017 to be
> safe.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 3, 2024, at 8:35?AM, Tom Galbreath <otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I purchased a showboat from Stan in 2019, the boat was constructed in
> 2017.  Recently when switching the power on in the boat, I experienced an
> extreme electrical short that caused my cables to meltdown between the
> batteries.  I fear I was close to having the boat catch fire, I managed to
> remove the cables from the battery while using fire extinguisher and
> battling smoke inhalation.  I hired a certified marine electrician, and he
> found many issues with the wiring including lack of adequate circuit
> breakers, use of automotive wiring and not marine rated wiring.   He also
> found GFCI line and load reversed.
> >
> > I was fortunate to meet and visit Stan and know this is not what he
> intended for his beloved Rhodes 22, I fear the quality control was absent
> in his later years.  I wanted to get this information out to owners and
> suggest you might want to have a qualified marine electrician review your
> wiring.  Hopefully, my situation was a one-off scenario.
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 10:54:02 2024
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 09:54:02 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coming Aboard and Mast Raising questions
In-Reply-To: <F2AF3D2C-7742-45FC-A58A-486DCDBC7FED@gmail.com>
References: <F2AF3D2C-7742-45FC-A58A-486DCDBC7FED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F9617408-DFC0-40C7-8F86-F63C507320C4@gmail.com>

Welcome to Da List, Paul. Your Great Lakes voyage sounds intriguing. Did you by chance keep a journal? Would you want to share? I once sailed my Rhodes to Rhodes, anchoring with a 3-strand rode, where we rode out a a Meltemi. You on the other hand, could be a Rhodes on a Rhodes in Rhodes  etc! Tempting?
Christie Geankoplis
Xenos
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 5, 2024, at 2:39?AM, Paul Rhodes <plrhodes29 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Ric!  
> 
> Yes, we?ve pretty much decided to do piloting and gunk-holing rather than passage-making, at least in our own boat.  However, our longest ?cruise ? was in a wooden 22ft gaff sloop from Newburyport MA  to NYC, up the Hudson to the NY State Barge Canal to Oswego, across Lake Ontario through the Trent-Severn waterway to Georgian Bay (Lake Huron) and across Lake Superior to the Apostle Islands.  We spread it over 3 summers, having moved to MN. Compared to that boat, which wasn?t trailerable, the Rhodes 22 is a luxury yacht, and with a self-contained mast stepping system,  could do the journey without having the mast down the whole middle leg.  We don?t anticipate repeating that voyage, but expect to enjoy both the ability to trailer and also to pass under a low bridge if it?s in the way of someplace we really want to go.
> 
> Paul
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2024, at 11:39?AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Welcome Paul
>> You?ve made a good choice as long as you have no intention of going off-shore for and extended distance or time.  
>> Although some Rhodies have cruised on long trips including the Gulf of Mexico and entire Med.., the 22 is a day and weekend sailboat in my world.
>> I had considered a mast stepped Gin pole and was about the embark on that journey when I was offered a free home made system, which although a bit funky works pretty well.
>> About 6 years ago I screwed down a temporary mahogany  pivot post near the  front of the the coach roof expecting to replace it with Starboard or some other composite - its still there and working fine.
>> I think the mast step Gin pole is a viable idea and it should work but other Rhodies might have tried it with different results.
>> The system is simple and easy to construct if you have one to model. There are quite a few Rhodes 22?s in your area or near enough to check out.
>> Good luck and enjoy your boat.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> Hampton Bays, NY
>> 
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Nov  5 11:18:10 2024
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2024 11:18:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issue with 2017 Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <E1t8MFu-0000000HNYN-1lAz@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Patrick's point about using marine quality electrical connectors and terminals is a good one.  You should also of course use marine grade electrical wire. (I use Ancor brand, which I get from Defender.) I would also suggest that if you're going to do electrical work that you should invest in an actual crimping tool.

--Peter



[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Nov  5 11:33:40 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:33:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issue with 2017 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <CAJGJx+AP2TRGzqJP9p9F4jf4ayfO=gSCoMrwDK86qAWpsJm-UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MN0PR84MB38920BB50E390DF79EE34048D1502@MN0PR84MB3892.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <1D2027F0-40F1-4C94-BFCA-C6746128CD0E@gmail.com>
 <CAJGJx+AP2TRGzqJP9p9F4jf4ayfO=gSCoMrwDK86qAWpsJm-UA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012301db2fa0$79613c50$6c23b4f0$@ebsmed.com>

I just want to add a reference to Don Casey's wonderful book, "Sailboat Electrics Simplified"

ISBN-13: 978-0070366497

It should be part of your library.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of PBR
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2024 9:55 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electrical Issue with 2017 Rhodes 22

Well I can add a couple of cautions.  I currently have two 89 Rhodes, one recycled 2012.  Don't have time or space for two so I will have one for sale soon.  I have not yet had an opportunity to check out the recycled wiring  but I have some info on the original.

1) My running lights appear to be trailer brake wire being yellow and brown
16 gauge.  Yellow is the positive.  Yellow s/b return by marine standard.
I will leave them that way as I put led's in the running lights and it seems to be OK now.  The wires have no issues after 35 years despite being non-marine.

2) There were some random uses of black and white wires when I got it but I can't point fingers at who was responsible after several previous owners.
It was wired for 2 batteries with a switch but no shore power or solar panel to charge.  Shortly after I got the boat I plugged in a small solar panel to the cig. lighter type plug.  After a week I found everything dead.  Turns out the white was positive at the battery switch but black was positive at the panel.  Not surprising really because the wire from batteries by the water tank to the panel under the companionway hatch was solid copper black/white about 14 gauge and looked to me to be house wire.
(by Marine DC the black should be a return and I believe there shouldn't be a white but with AC black s/b positive)  The whole panel was backwards but the DC seemed to work OK so I didn't question the polarity.  I never used the boat at night except the interior lights before that so I don't know what else I might have found.  My solar panel was destroyed (open circuit but the small fuse in the plug end was fine curiously),  Batteries charged back to 12 volts but needed to be replaced soon after as they wouldn't hold
a charge.       A few weeks ago, I replaced the DC power panel so I learned
a lot.  Several wires, like the running lights with 16 gauge trailer wires, were butt-spliced onto a smaller wire for attachment to the panel. This
will lead to #3.   Continuing with #2, I recently chose to use the white
for positive and black for return but marked both ends very plainly with a sharpie on a white electrical tape flag.  Not sure really what I "should"
do with the white and black but that is what I did for now.  Sometimes house wiring professionals use a white wire for a positive but it is clearly marked with red or black stripes and/or words. (e.g. in 3 or 4  way switches).  While doing this I found that what I thought was "house wire"
was actually marked "marine" but I still assume it was intended for 110 volt AC. Note: My pop up camper uses black to battery positive and white for the return, the opposite of what I just did on the boat.  Please advise if there is an expected way to use black and white on a boat.

3) It has been a few years now since I cautioned the list about the use of Harbor Freight butt joints.  I may recall this differently than I reported then but I don't want to research my own postings.  I was thrilled when HF came to my neighborhood and had cheap tools and parts and had no reason for caution and bought a lot of stuff there.  Anyway, I rewired my boat trailer and used those joints and other connectors on everything for a couple of years.  As I reported, after a year or two, my trailer lights stopped working.  I found the  4 pin connector I had "connected" to the trailer wiring by butt splices had power but aft of my very carefully water sealed (with liquid e-tape) joints there was no power.  Autopsy of the splices found considerable galvanic corrosion, white power inside the still sealed areas. No conductance.  easy fix but should not happen ever.  I reported to the list that the connectors looked like aluminum but I don't know what they actually were.  The list told me they should be tinned copper as West Marine sells.  Years later I found my automatic bilge pump not working.
Same thing, corroded butt joints.  In my recent panel replacement I found another circuit I had added was also dead.  OK get to the point.  I know GB did buy at least one thing from HF for at least a minute, some of the winches for the motor lifts.  So....maybe they bought a few electrical connectors from HF.  So,  if you have unexplained open circuits or intermittents look for crappy butt joints or other crimp connectors.  This does not offer any explanation for the short circuit that started this thread.  Sorry to be so long winded...I only buy from West Marine now but everything seems to come from china regardless.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 3:24?AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you so much for this information! It may be a single boat issue 
> or several boats could be at risk. I?ll check my refurbished in 2017 
> to be safe.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 3, 2024, at 8:35?AM, Tom Galbreath 
> > <otomtomgalbreath at outlook.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I purchased a showboat from Stan in 2019, the boat was constructed 
> > in
> 2017.  Recently when switching the power on in the boat, I experienced 
> an extreme electrical short that caused my cables to meltdown between 
> the batteries.  I fear I was close to having the boat catch fire, I 
> managed to remove the cables from the battery while using fire 
> extinguisher and battling smoke inhalation.  I hired a certified 
> marine electrician, and he found many issues with the wiring including lack of adequate circuit
> breakers, use of automotive wiring and not marine rated wiring.   He also
> found GFCI line and load reversed.
> >
> > I was fortunate to meet and visit Stan and know this is not what he
> intended for his beloved Rhodes 22, I fear the quality control was 
> absent in his later years.  I wanted to get this information out to 
> owners and suggest you might want to have a qualified marine 
> electrician review your wiring.  Hopefully, my situation was a one-off scenario.
> >
>


From plrhodes29 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  6 00:46:05 2024
From: plrhodes29 at gmail.com (Paul Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2024 00:46:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coming Aboard and Mast Raising questions
In-Reply-To: <F9617408-DFC0-40C7-8F86-F63C507320C4@gmail.com>
References: <F2AF3D2C-7742-45FC-A58A-486DCDBC7FED@gmail.com>
 <F9617408-DFC0-40C7-8F86-F63C507320C4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOFxTtx4S3D55OZnZbzzHA5fgdLJuOdaka2bfdTPwqC=HStqyA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Chris!  We at least kept an informal log which I may be able to
find, these several decades later. In any case, we remember the stories!
Funny that you should mention the island of Rhodes; our world-traveling son
and his wife are working on a trip to Greece on which they have invited us,
tentatively next May.  Haven't quite figured out how to get the boat
there... it IS a tempting idea.

Neither of us have a captain's license, which we understand is needed to
rent or charter, but we would certainly enjoy local knowledge, and perhaps,
if you were interested, meeting to share some sailing tales.

Fair winds,

Paul & Nancy Rhodes
S/V New Mercies
Chapin SC and Savannah GA


On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 8:59?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Welcome to Da List, Paul. Your Great Lakes voyage sounds intriguing. Did
> you by chance keep a journal? Would you want to share? I once sailed my
> Rhodes to Rhodes, anchoring with a 3-strand rode, where we rode out a a
> Meltemi. You on the other hand, could be a Rhodes on a Rhodes in Rhodes
> etc! Tempting?
> Christie Geankoplis
> Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 5, 2024, at 2:39?AM, Paul Rhodes <plrhodes29 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Thanks Ric!
> >
> > Yes, we?ve pretty much decided to do piloting and gunk-holing rather
> than passage-making, at least in our own boat.  However, our longest
> ?cruise ? was in a wooden 22ft gaff sloop from Newburyport MA  to NYC, up
> the Hudson to the NY State Barge Canal to Oswego, across Lake Ontario
> through the Trent-Severn waterway to Georgian Bay (Lake Huron) and across
> Lake Superior to the Apostle Islands.  We spread it over 3 summers, having
> moved to MN. Compared to that boat, which wasn?t trailerable, the Rhodes 22
> is a luxury yacht, and with a self-contained mast stepping system,  could
> do the journey without having the mast down the whole middle leg.  We don?t
> anticipate repeating that voyage, but expect to enjoy both the ability to
> trailer and also to pass under a low bridge if it?s in the way of someplace
> we really want to go.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 4, 2024, at 11:39?AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Welcome Paul
> >> You?ve made a good choice as long as you have no intention of going
> off-shore for and extended distance or time.
> >> Although some Rhodies have cruised on long trips including the Gulf of
> Mexico and entire Med.., the 22 is a day and weekend sailboat in my world.
> >> I had considered a mast stepped Gin pole and was about the embark on
> that journey when I was offered a free home made system, which although a
> bit funky works pretty well.
> >> About 6 years ago I screwed down a temporary mahogany  pivot post near
> the  front of the the coach roof expecting to replace it with Starboard or
> some other composite - its still there and working fine.
> >> I think the mast step Gin pole is a viable idea and it should work but
> other Rhodies might have tried it with different results.
> >> The system is simple and easy to construct if you have one to model.
> There are quite a few Rhodes 22?s in your area or near enough to check out.
> >> Good luck and enjoy your boat.
> >> Ric
> >> Dadventure
> >> Hampton Bays, NY
> >>
> >>
> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >> O -631-283-1777
> >> C- 516-965-
>

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 14 10:47:22 2024
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 10:47:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Coming Aboard and Mast Raising questions
Message-ID: <E1tBc42-00000000OYT-0W4T@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Hi Paul,
   I was just re-reading your posts and may have some info for you.  Shoot me an email at :
recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com 

Peter Beckerman 
'86 Rhodes 22 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Nov 30 11:11:40 2024
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 11:11:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Thanksgiving 2024
Message-ID: <mailman.2328.1732983106.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

Happy Thanksgiving to all!Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NYI?d rather be sailing :~)

From plrhodes29 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 30 23:20:39 2024
From: plrhodes29 at gmail.com (Paul Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 23:20:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy Thanksgiving 2024
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2328.1732983106.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.2328.1732983106.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <863CE098-F553-49F0-83C6-CDD0001F71CB@gmail.com>

Thankful for the Rhodes 22 community, and for Mike?s management of the website that helps tie it together!

Paul and Nancy Rhodes 
New Mercies (?90)
Currently Lake Murray, SC
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2024, at 10:57?PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Happy Thanksgiving to all!Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NYI?d rather be sailing :~)