From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 08:57:44 2025
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 07:57:44 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Inner Shroud Issues
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Hello Rhodies,

I hope everyone?s off season is going well. I will finally be addressing my
lower chainplate issues in April.  For those of you who have had to patch
your deck, is there a product that seems to match the Rhodes deck color
most?  I will have to cut out topside fiberglass and remove/repair some
rotten core.

For those of you that have reinforced/replaced the original tab chainplate
with a stronger system attached to the cabin sides, what is the best
material to use for the backing plate?

Thanks for your help,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 12:23?PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> if I needed to do this project, I think I'd be inclined to attach the
> chainplates to the outside of cabin wall, rather than having them inside
> the wall and exiting through the roof.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2023-11-10, at 10:22:52 EST, Todd Tavares wrote:
> >
> > I'm surprised that Slim (Steve A.) hasn't weighed in on the subject yet.
> He
> > consulted with Stan when his lower chainplates were torn completely out
> of the
> > cabin top. My repair was similar to the one Stan suggested to Steve.
> >
> > I will try to attach the pics he sent me last year.
> >
> > While Steve had the repairs done at a local boatyard  and did not know
> what
> > material they use for the backing block, I used oak and thickened epoxy
> as the
> > adhesive. I also used a longer tang with three holes instead of two.
> >
> > INTERESTING NOTE THOUGH: General boats often makes the having pieces of
> standing
> > rigging is bullet proof. But in the case of Steve's accident, the
> forestay broke
> > and I and the whole rig came down.
> >
> > Todd T.
> >
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231110/e6cb2f9f/attachment.jpeg"
>
> > target="_blank">DSC00254.jpeg</a>
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231110/e6cb2f9f/attachment-0001.jpeg"
>
> > target="_blank">DSC00253.jpeg</a>
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20231110/e6cb2f9f/attachment-0002.jpeg"
>
> > target="_blank">DSC00256.jpeg</a>
> >
>
>

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 15:25:53 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:25:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
Message-ID: <E1thaLp-00000000iOZ-1I73@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Hi All,
   In a couple of months I'll be applying fresh bottom paint on my boat for the first time.  I'm not sure how many square feet I'm covering.  In other words:  how much paint am I'm going to need?  Undoubtedly someone (everyone?) here has some insight.  What say you?

Thanks,
     Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 13:20:24 2025
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 13:20:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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1/2 gallon or less

Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
s/v Pinafore
Needham, MA


On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 3:25?PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>    In a couple of months I'll be applying fresh bottom paint on my boat
> for the first time.  I'm not sure how many square feet I'm covering.  In
> other words:  how much paint am I'm going to need?  Undoubtedly someone
> (everyone?) here has some insight.  What say you?
>
> Thanks,
>      Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue Feb 11 13:27:15 2025
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 12:27:15 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjc5aiqj3vyS0zwEkTmV0rH1jAh1i_UV=13G6+R6n06=8A@mail.gmail.com>
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I'd say a half gallon is no where near enough.

400sqft per gallon is a typical house paint coverage.

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 12:20 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> 1/2 gallon or less
>
> Stay Well,
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Pinafore
> Needham, MA
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 3:25?PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >    In a couple of months I'll be applying fresh bottom paint on my boat
> > for the first time.  I'm not sure how many square feet I'm covering.  In
> > other words:  how much paint am I'm going to need?  Undoubtedly someone
> > (everyone?) here has some insight.  What say you?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >      Peter
> >
> > [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >
> >
>

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 11 13:40:27 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 13:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
Message-ID: <E1thvBL-0000000C3JP-07HF@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Thanks Stephen,
     I was planning on buying a gallon, so it sounds like I should be okay.  I'd hate to run out.

Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Feb 11 17:25:45 2025
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:25:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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Hi Peter,

To a certain extent, it depends on whether you are spraying or rolling on the bottom paint.  As I recall, the last time I bottom painted using a combination of spraying & rolling, a gallon was enough to apply 2 coats.  How are you lifting the boat to get complete access?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 1:27 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint

I'd say a half gallon is no where near enough.

400sqft per gallon is a typical house paint coverage.

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 12:20 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> 1/2 gallon or less
>
> Stay Well,
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Pinafore
> Needham, MA
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 3:25?PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >    In a couple of months I'll be applying fresh bottom paint on my boat
> > for the first time.  I'm not sure how many square feet I'm covering.  In
> > other words:  how much paint am I'm going to need?  Undoubtedly someone
> > (everyone?) here has some insight.  What say you?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >      Peter
> >
> > [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >
> >
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 17:15:49 2025
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 17:15:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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I have owned 3 Rhodes 22?s since 2003 & bottom paint every year. I did my
own until a few years back when I moved to a marina. Last year they used
only about 1/3 of the gallon I provided. In my yard, jacking off the bunks
I used a little more. A gallon is definitely plenty.

Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
s/v Pinafore
Needham, MA

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 1:40?PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Thanks Stephen,
>      I was planning on buying a gallon, so it sounds like I should be
> okay.  I'd hate to run out.
>
> Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
>

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 11 22:45:29 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:45:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
Message-ID: <E1ti3gn-00000006Qua-0ZV2@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Hi Roger,
   I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights

Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Feb 12 02:06:12 2025
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 07:06:12 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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Hi Peter,

It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat stands should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure the top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the boat, you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to support a corner while you reposition the jack.

Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are sanding and painting.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
1978. Sanford, MI
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Roger,
>   I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> 
> Peter
> 
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> 

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 11:34:09 2025
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:34:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats and
two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the hull
when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
bucket.
You should plan on a gallon.
I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
Pettit Hydrocoat.

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>    I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat
> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it
> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her
> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
>
> Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>
>

From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 11:53:56 2025
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:53:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?

On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats and
> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the hull
> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
> bucket.
> You should plan on a gallon.
> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
> Pettit Hydrocoat.
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Roger,
> >    I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat
> > stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it
> > up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her
> > about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
> > sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 14:12:28 2025
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 14:12:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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PBR,

Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the only
way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with washers
and nuts holding the cover down.
I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and to
replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce the
block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b and
inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once, by
hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just blocked the
boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.

The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier, the
c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin to
remove.

Todd T.

On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
> > different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats and
> > two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> > I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the hull
> > when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
> > bucket.
> > You should plan on a gallon.
> > I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
> > Pettit Hydrocoat.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Roger,
> > >    I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> boat
> > > stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk
> it
> > > up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have
> her
> > > about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
> > > sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 14:48:25 2025
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 14:48:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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Thanks Todd,  I am aware of all the CB cap bolts.  It just seemed like if
the board was folded back, and I think mine rests on a roller under the
trailer, it might not be able to be pulled out unless you raised the boat
some off the trailer.  Sounds like it comes out easily enough.  That's
great.  I'll add that to my future plans.
Patrick


On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 2:12?PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> PBR,
>
> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the only
> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with washers
> and nuts holding the cover down.
> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and to
> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce the
> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b and
> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once, by
> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just blocked the
> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
>
> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier, the
> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin to
> remove.
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> > trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
> > > different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats
> and
> > > two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> > > I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> hull
> > > when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
> > > bucket.
> > > You should plan on a gallon.
> > > I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
> > > Pettit Hydrocoat.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Roger,
> > > >    I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> > boat
> > > > stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> walk
> > it
> > > > up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have
> > her
> > > > about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> to
> > > > sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 10:22:47 2025
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 09:22:47 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
Message-ID: <CANbEFCuAnvTcfKUp25m4TuVP0=oZSnMH3-xJCF5BRHq4qnHW0g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)

This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful for
the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly supplies.

My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.

Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer and we
agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped them
however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees Sails
that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe that
perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me to my
question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it would
be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible for
this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing with
a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
honest.

If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me know,
that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this situation.
Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
612-770-4531

On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they would
be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the budget at
the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.

Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.

Sincerely,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

From ruehbl at msn.com  Sat Feb 15 13:03:53 2025
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 18:03:53 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCuAnvTcfKUp25m4TuVP0=oZSnMH3-xJCF5BRHq4qnHW0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCuAnvTcfKUp25m4TuVP0=oZSnMH3-xJCF5BRHq4qnHW0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB65314EBB931B56691EE46E6BC1F92@BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes floated off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's short journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a price, shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.". This is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is in reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
Be very cautious of Mike Orla.

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails

Hello everyone,

I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)

This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful for
the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly supplies.

My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.

Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer and we
agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped them
however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees Sails
that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe that
perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me to my
question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it would
be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible for
this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing with
a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
honest.

If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me know,
that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this situation.
Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
612-770-4531

On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they would
be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the budget at
the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.

Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.

Sincerely,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 14:36:59 2025
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 13:36:59 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB65314EBB931B56691EE46E6BC1F92@BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CANbEFCuAnvTcfKUp25m4TuVP0=oZSnMH3-xJCF5BRHq4qnHW0g@mail.gmail.com>
 <BL0PR02MB65314EBB931B56691EE46E6BC1F92@BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CANbEFCu_mFOE7w+tngzRip4PeUutbbfgzpTVq0JO4k22C-_Lxg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for sharing Barry,

You did eventually get a centerboard from him?

I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises unkept,
excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed in
how this turned out.

Any other perspectives would be super helpful.

Matt



On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:

> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes floated
> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's short
> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a price,
> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.". This
> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is in
> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>
> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful for
> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly supplies.
>
> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>
> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer and we
> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped them
> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees Sails
> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe that
> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me to my
> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it would
> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible for
> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing with
> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
> honest.
>
> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me know,
> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this situation.
> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
> 612-770-4531
>
> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they would
> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the budget at
> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>
> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>
> Sincerely,
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower II
> White Bear Lake, MN
>

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Feb 15 15:23:31 2025
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 15:23:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCu_mFOE7w+tngzRip4PeUutbbfgzpTVq0JO4k22C-_Lxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCu_mFOE7w+tngzRip4PeUutbbfgzpTVq0JO4k22C-_Lxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46D56A55-65DD-4216-A0ED-E8991ABDB68D@stottarchitecture.com>

Hey Matt it?s Ric. 
We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and remains my next project. 
Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984 original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and check it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel you can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might get distracted from your dilemma. 
Here is my email. 
ric at stottarchitecture.com. 
If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.  
Ric 
Dadventure 
HBNY 




Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> 
> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> 
> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises unkept,
> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed in
> how this turned out.
> 
> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes floated
>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's short
>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a price,
>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.". This
>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is in
>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>> 
>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful for
>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly supplies.
>> 
>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>> 
>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer and we
>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped them
>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees Sails
>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe that
>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me to my
>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it would
>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible for
>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing with
>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
>> honest.
>> 
>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me know,
>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this situation.
>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>> 612-770-4531
>> 
>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they would
>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the budget at
>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>> 
>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower II
>> White Bear Lake, MN
>> 

From cindyspitzer at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 17:52:19 2025
From: cindyspitzer at gmail.com (Cindy Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 17:52:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
In-Reply-To: <46D56A55-65DD-4216-A0ED-E8991ABDB68D@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <CANbEFCu_mFOE7w+tngzRip4PeUutbbfgzpTVq0JO4k22C-_Lxg@mail.gmail.com>
 <46D56A55-65DD-4216-A0ED-E8991ABDB68D@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CABbc6O6L+92LC7O6SoNt96FYZqmyr7dv_6E3y-M=b5S=ZeNhGA@mail.gmail.com>

The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22 sails.

Cindy Spitzer
443-980-7367

On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> remains my next project.
> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and check
> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel you
> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
> get distracted from your dilemma.
> Here is my email.
> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >
> > You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >
> > I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises unkept,
> > excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
> > and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed in
> > how this turned out.
> >
> > Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> floated
> >> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> short
> >> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> price,
> >> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> >> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> >> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.".
> This
> >> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is
> in
> >> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>
> >> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful
> for
> >> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> supplies.
> >>
> >> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>
> >> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
> >> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
> and we
> >> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped them
> >> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
> Sails
> >> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> that
> >> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me to
> my
> >> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> would
> >> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
> >> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible for
> >> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing
> with
> >> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
> >> honest.
> >>
> >> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> know,
> >> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> situation.
> >> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
> >> 612-770-4531
> >>
> >> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
> would
> >> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> budget at
> >> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>
> >> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Matt Wilson
> >> Hornblower II
> >> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>
>

From ruehbl at msn.com  Sat Feb 15 21:14:05 2025
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:14:05 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
In-Reply-To: <46D56A55-65DD-4216-A0ED-E8991ABDB68D@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <CANbEFCu_mFOE7w+tngzRip4PeUutbbfgzpTVq0JO4k22C-_Lxg@mail.gmail.com>
 <46D56A55-65DD-4216-A0ED-E8991ABDB68D@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB65370FBD2BCD116AD8E224FAC1F82@CH2PR02MB6537.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Matt,
Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
Best,
Barry Ruehlen
SV Perseverance
'86 Rhodes 22
St James City, Fl.

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails

Hey Matt it?s Ric.
We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and remains my next project.
Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984 original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and check it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel you can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might get distracted from your dilemma.
Here is my email.
ric at stottarchitecture.com.
If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
Ric
Dadventure
HBNY




Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>
> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>
> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises unkept,
> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed in
> how this turned out.
>
> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes floated
>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's short
>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a price,
>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.". This
>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is in
>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> Get Outlook for Android<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2FAAb9ysg&data=05%7C02%7C%7C42b03d80d4b34b5801c708dd4dfea591%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638752478296137504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cA1MssHqtjFxkxPauAGtU%2FoodZ08NHlNj0B9VigLBu8%3D&reserved=0<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>
>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful for
>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly supplies.
>>
>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>
>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer and we
>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped them
>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees Sails
>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe that
>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me to my
>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it would
>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible for
>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing with
>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
>> honest.
>>
>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me know,
>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this situation.
>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>> 612-770-4531
>>
>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they would
>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the budget at
>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>
>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower II
>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 15 21:31:06 2025
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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References: <CANbEFCu_mFOE7w+tngzRip4PeUutbbfgzpTVq0JO4k22C-_Lxg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1233443046.674089.1739673066534@mail.yahoo.com>

Fellow Skippers,?
I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
Best to you,Art Czerwonky?

Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified 
 
  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:14 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN<ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:   Matt,
Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
Best,
Barry Ruehlen
SV Perseverance
'86 Rhodes 22
St James City, Fl.

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails

Hey Matt it?s Ric.
We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and remains my next project.
Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984 original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and check it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel you can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might get distracted from your dilemma.
Here is my email.
ric at stottarchitecture.com.
If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
Ric
Dadventure
HBNY




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> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>
> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>
> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises unkept,
> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very disappointed in
> how this turned out.
>
> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes floated
>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's short
>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a price,
>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.". This
>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is in
>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
>>
>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful for
>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly supplies.
>>
>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>
>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer and we
>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped them
>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees Sails
>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe that
>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me to my
>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it would
>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible for
>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took dealing with
>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
>> honest.
>>
>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me know,
>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this situation.
>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>> 612-770-4531
>>
>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they would
>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the budget at
>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>
>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower II
>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>
  

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 15 21:36:26 2025
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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Barry,?
You have a perfect sailing venue,? which you have discovered. Removed from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.? What year boat?
Art?

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  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,?
I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
Best to you,Art Czerwonky?

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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 22:19:41 2025
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:19:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece and cut it down to size. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?PBR,
> 
> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the only
> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with washers
> and nuts holding the cover down.
> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and to
> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce the
> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b and
> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once, by
> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just blocked the
> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
> 
> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier, the
> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin to
> remove.
> 
> Todd T.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
>>> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats and
>>> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the hull
>>> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
>>> bucket.
>>> You should plan on a gallon.
>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
>>> Pettit Hydrocoat.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>   I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
>> boat
>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk
>> it
>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have
>> her
>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
>>>> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

From ruehbl at msn.com  Mon Feb 17 06:53:03 2025
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:03 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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Art,
Our Rhodes is an 86 model. A neighbor and I bought it about 3 years ago knowing it was somewhat of a project, needing extensive tlc. It turned into a complete interior rebuild with dry rot and termites into the stringers. The cockpit deck required new core and nonskid gel repair. We just about had her ready to sail when Ian floated her off the trailer breaking the centerboard and dinging the hull in several spots. That is when we encountered Mike Orla. We decided that after glass repair on the hull, we would not be able to match the red gelcoat. The solution was a new paint job. All of that and more took quite a while. Once we were able to get on the water, we found the motor was not dependable and repowered her. We are just now able to sail comfortably even though we still have some minor gelcoat repairs to finish and rewire the breaker panel. The galley rebuild and sole repairs are complete. That's a very brief rundown of our journey.
She was previously named Crimson Cloud. New name is Perserverance.
Best,
BARRY

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 9:36 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails

Barry,
You have a perfect sailing venue,  which you have discovered. Removed from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.  What year boat?
Art

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  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,
I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.
Best to you,Art Czerwonky

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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Feb 17 19:33:57 2025
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:33:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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I noticed that Pettit has their annual rebate on bottom paint. I use Hydrocoat which has a $50 rebate.

The rebate link is:
https://pettitpaint.com/rebates

The rebate form is available at:
https://pettitpaint.com/media/5921/pp-25066-protect-and-propser-rebate-flyer.pdf

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael McKay
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:20 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint

If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece and cut it down to size. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?PBR,
> 
> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the 
> only way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with 
> washers and nuts holding the cover down.
> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and 
> to replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and 
> reinforce the block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the 
> entire c/b and inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both 
> sides at once, by hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, 
> I have just blocked the boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
> 
> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier, 
> the c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the 
> cabin to remove.
> 
> Todd T.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the 
>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of 
>>> the different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 
>>> coats and two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the 
>>> hull when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the 
>>> gallon bucket.
>>> You should plan on a gallon.
>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative 
>>> paint; Pettit Hydrocoat.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list < 
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>   I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
>> boat
>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to 
>>>> walk
>> it
>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I 
>>>> have
>> her
>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room 
>>>> to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or 
>>>> insights
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Feb 17 19:45:15 2025
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:45:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
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Please be very careful when using bottle jacks. I have seen several Rhodes 22 hulls with very round puncture marks in the lower portions. If you insist on jacking the hull up, please distribute the weight over a large area using soft wood blocks. Instead, I use an A-frame made of a pair of through bolted 4x4x12s and a come-along to the from lifting hook. Make sure that the block behind the front hook is in good condition and that the nuts to the U-bolt are tight.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 2:06 AM
To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint

Hi Peter,

It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat stands should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure the top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the boat, you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to support a corner while you reposition the jack.

Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are sanding and painting.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
1978. Sanford, MI
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> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Roger,
>   I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> 
> Peter
> 
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> 


From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Tue Feb 18 12:38:20 2025
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:38:20 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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Thanks everyone!

Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.

Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
somewhere?

Matt

On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> sails.
>
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> > ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> > remains my next project.
> > Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
> > asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> > original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> check
> > it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
> you
> > can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
> > get distracted from your dilemma.
> > Here is my email.
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > Ric
> > Dadventure
> > HBNY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >
> > > You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >
> > > I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> unkept,
> > > excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> patient
> > > and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed
> in
> > > how this turned out.
> > >
> > > Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> > floated
> > >> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> > short
> > >> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> > price,
> > >> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> > >> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> > >> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.".
> > This
> > >> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is
> > in
> > >> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > >> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>
> > >> Hello everyone,
> > >>
> > >> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> > >>
> > >> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> grateful
> > for
> > >> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> > supplies.
> > >>
> > >> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>
> > >> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> out
> > >> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
> > and we
> > >> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> them
> > >> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
> > Sails
> > >> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> > >> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> > that
> > >> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
> to
> > my
> > >> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> > would
> > >> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> those
> > >> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> for
> > >> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing
> > with
> > >> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> and
> > >> honest.
> > >>
> > >> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> > know,
> > >> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > situation.
> > >> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
> > >> 612-770-4531
> > >>
> > >> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
> > would
> > >> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> > budget at
> > >> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>
> > >> Sincerely,
> > >> Matt Wilson
> > >> Hornblower II
> > >> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>
> >
>

From cindyspitzer at gmail.com  Tue Feb 18 15:00:03 2025
From: cindyspitzer at gmail.com (Cindy Spitzer)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:00:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.

Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
and small.

Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
etc.

 Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.

In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.

Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
otherwise busy lives.

Spring is coming. Happy sailing!

Cindy

Cindy Spitzer
443-980-7367

On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks everyone!
>
> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>
> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> somewhere?
>
> Matt
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> > sails.
> >
> > Cindy Spitzer
> > 443-980-7367
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > > We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> > > ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> > > remains my next project.
> > > Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > > willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> out
> > > asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> > > original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> > check
> > > it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
> > you
> > > can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> might
> > > get distracted from your dilemma.
> > > Here is my email.
> > > ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > > If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > > Ric
> > > Dadventure
> > > HBNY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > > >
> > > > You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > > >
> > > > I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> > unkept,
> > > > excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > patient
> > > > and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> disappointed
> > in
> > > > how this turned out.
> > > >
> > > > Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> > > floated
> > > >> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> > > short
> > > >> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> > > price,
> > > >> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> of
> > > >> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
> a
> > > >> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> 2.".
> > > This
> > > >> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> is
> > > in
> > > >> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > > >> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > > >> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > > >> ________________________________
> > > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> > > >> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > > >> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello everyone,
> > > >>
> > > >> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> > > >>
> > > >> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > grateful
> > > for
> > > >> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> > > supplies.
> > > >>
> > > >> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > > >>
> > > >> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> > out
> > > >> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
> > > and we
> > > >> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> > them
> > > >> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> Lees
> > > Sails
> > > >> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> > > >> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> > > that
> > > >> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
> > to
> > > my
> > > >> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> > > would
> > > >> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> > those
> > > >> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> > for
> > > >> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> dealing
> > > with
> > > >> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> > and
> > > >> honest.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> > > know,
> > > >> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > > situation.
> > > >> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> or
> > > >> 612-770-4531
> > > >>
> > > >> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> they
> > > would
> > > >> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> > > budget at
> > > >> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sincerely,
> > > >> Matt Wilson
> > > >> Hornblower II
> > > >> White Bear Lake, MN
> > > >>
> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 09:23:42 2025
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:23:42 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> 
> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
> and small.
> 
> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> etc.
> 
> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> 
> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> 
> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> otherwise busy lives.
> 
> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> 
> Cindy
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks everyone!
>> 
>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>> 
>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>> somewhere?
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>> sails.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>> remains my next project.
>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>> out
>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>>> check
>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>> you
>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>> might
>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>> Here is my email.
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>> HBNY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>> unkept,
>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>> patient
>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>> disappointed
>>> in
>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>> floated
>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>> short
>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>> price,
>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>> of
>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>> a
>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>> 2.".
>>>> This
>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>> is
>>>> in
>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>> of
>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>> grateful
>>>> for
>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>> supplies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>> out
>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>> and we
>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>> them
>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>> Lees
>>>> Sails
>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>> that
>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>> to
>>>> my
>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>> would
>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>> those
>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>> for
>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>> dealing
>>>> with
>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>> and
>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>> know,
>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>> situation.
>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>> or
>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>> they
>>>> would
>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>> budget at
>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 20:56:14 2025
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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 Hi Cindy.? It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.? Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
Don Simons,?Old Forge, NY
    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Thanks Cindy!? Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> 
> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
> and small.
> 
> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> etc.
> 
> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> 
> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> 
> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> otherwise busy lives.
> 
> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> 
> Cindy
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks everyone!
>> 
>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>> 
>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.? Are those sails listed on the website
>> somewhere?
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>> sails.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>> remains my next project.
>>>> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>> out
>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and
>>> check
>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel
>>> you
>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>> might
>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>> Here is my email.
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>> HBNY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
>>> unkept,
>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>> patient
>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very
>> disappointed
>>> in
>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>> floated
>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>> short
>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>> price,
>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>> of
>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>> a
>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>> 2.".
>>>> This
>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>> is
>>>> in
>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>> of
>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>> grateful
>>>> for
>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>> supplies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>> out
>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer
>>>> and we
>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped
>>> them
>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>> Lees
>>>> Sails
>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>> that
>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me
>>> to
>>>> my
>>>>>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>> would
>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>> those
>>>>>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>> for
>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took
>> dealing
>>>> with
>>>>>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>> and
>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>> know,
>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>> situation.
>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>> or
>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>> they
>>>> would
>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the
>>>> budget at
>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
  

From cindyspitzer at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 21:43:31 2025
From: cindyspitzer at gmail.com (Cindy Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:43:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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 <1726577370.1252557.1740016574197@mail.yahoo.com>
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Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!

Cindy Spitzer
443-980-7367

On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>  Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>     On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >
> > Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> > moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> > parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> large
> > and small.
> >
> > Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> > etc.
> >
> > Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >
> > In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> > organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> Stan's
> > old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >
> > Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > otherwise busy lives.
> >
> > Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > Cindy Spitzer
> > 443-980-7367
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks everyone!
> >>
> >> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> >> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>
> >> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> >> somewhere?
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>> sails.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>> 443-980-7367
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> >>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>>> remains my next project.
> >>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> >> out
> >>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> >>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
> >>> check
> >>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
> >>> you
> >>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >> might
> >>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>> Here is my email.
> >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>> Ric
> >>>> Dadventure
> >>>> HBNY
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >>> unkept,
> >>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>> patient
> >>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> >> disappointed
> >>> in
> >>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Matt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>> floated
> >>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> >>>> short
> >>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> >>>> price,
> >>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> >> of
> >>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
> >> a
> >>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> >> 2.".
> >>>> This
> >>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> >> is
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> >>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> >> of
> >>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >>> grateful
> >>>> for
> >>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>>> supplies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> >>> out
> >>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
> >>>> and we
> >>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> >>> them
> >>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> >> Lees
> >>>> Sails
> >>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> >>>> that
> >>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
> >>> to
> >>>> my
> >>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> >>>> would
> >>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >>> those
> >>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> >>> for
> >>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> >> dealing
> >>>> with
> >>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> >>> and
> >>>>>> honest.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> >>>> know,
> >>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>>> situation.
> >>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> >> or
> >>>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> >> they
> >>>> would
> >>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>>> budget at
> >>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 23:11:18 2025
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 22:11:18 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
In-Reply-To: <CABbc6O4hYEZgjFdS4UjkO1XDo-8TuZMzuX5cY8mP69FWZYU_zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABbc6O4hYEZgjFdS4UjkO1XDo-8TuZMzuX5cY8mP69FWZYU_zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15327DB6-3987-4C30-BBCA-B1255E86E413@gmail.com>

So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things settle down for us. 

Chris G.
Xenos 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>> 
>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>> large
>>> and small.
>>> 
>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>> 
>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>> Stan's
>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>> 
>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>> 
>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>> 
>>> Cindy
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>> 
>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>> somewhere?
>>>> 
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>> sails.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>> in
>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>>> out
>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>> 1984
>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>> check
>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>>> you
>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>> might
>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>> patient
>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>> disappointed
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>> 2.".
>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>>> is
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>> grateful
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>> Lees
>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>>> to
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>> dealing
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>> or
>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>> they
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 

From cindyspitzer at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 23:30:25 2025
From: cindyspitzer at gmail.com (Cindy Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 23:30:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
In-Reply-To: <15327DB6-3987-4C30-BBCA-B1255E86E413@gmail.com>
References: <CABbc6O4hYEZgjFdS4UjkO1XDo-8TuZMzuX5cY8mP69FWZYU_zQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <15327DB6-3987-4C30-BBCA-B1255E86E413@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABbc6O7UuwHxS+wz_0Xuuuy+OXXL7+20mhKPU8D_UaCvP+ifog@mail.gmail.com>

Multiple locations.
Still being developed, as we can.

Would love to get together with you sometime, Chris.  It's been a million
years.



On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 11:11?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things
> settle down for us.
>
> Chris G.
> Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
> >
> > Cindy Spitzer
> > 443-980-7367
> >
> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
> >> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> >> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
> >>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis
> <
> >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> >> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> >> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >>>
> >>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> >>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> >>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> >> large
> >>> and small.
> >>>
> >>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> >>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
> options,
> >>> etc.
> >>>
> >>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >>>
> >>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> >>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> >> Stan's
> >>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >>>
> >>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> >>> otherwise busy lives.
> >>>
> >>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >>>
> >>> Cindy
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>> 443-980-7367
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks everyone!
> >>>>
> >>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> >>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> >>>> somewhere?
> >>>>
> >>>> Matt
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>>>> sails.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>>>> 443-980-7367
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> >> in
> >>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
> and
> >>>>>> remains my next project.
> >>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
> it
> >>>> out
> >>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> >> 1984
> >>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
> >>>>> check
> >>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> feel
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >>>> might
> >>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>>>> Here is my email.
> >>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>> Dadventure
> >>>>>> HBNY
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >>>>> unkept,
> >>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>>>> patient
> >>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> >>>> disappointed
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>>>> floated
> >>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> >>>>>> short
> >>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
> on a
> >>>>>> price,
> >>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
> you
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> >>>> 2.".
> >>>>>> This
> >>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
> that
> >>>> is
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> >>>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
> behalf
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >>>>> grateful
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>>>>> supplies.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> parting
> >>>>> out
> >>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> offer
> >>>>>> and we
> >>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
> shipped
> >>>>> them
> >>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> >>>> Lees
> >>>>>> Sails
> >>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> believe
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
> me
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
> it
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >>>>> those
> >>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
> responsible
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> >>>> dealing
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> helpful
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> honest.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
> me
> >>>>>> know,
> >>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>>>>> situation.
> >>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
> mwhornblower at gmail.com
> >>>> or
> >>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> >>>> they
> >>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>>>>> budget at
> >>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 17:09:19 2025
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 16:09:19 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
In-Reply-To: <CABbc6O7UuwHxS+wz_0Xuuuy+OXXL7+20mhKPU8D_UaCvP+ifog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABbc6O4hYEZgjFdS4UjkO1XDo-8TuZMzuX5cY8mP69FWZYU_zQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <15327DB6-3987-4C30-BBCA-B1255E86E413@gmail.com>
 <CABbc6O7UuwHxS+wz_0Xuuuy+OXXL7+20mhKPU8D_UaCvP+ifog@mail.gmail.com>
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Good afternoon everyone,

If I could ask your forbearance with one more question related to my sail
saga.  Those of you who purchased something from Michael Orla, do you have
a current address for him?

Many thanks,
Matt WIlson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:36?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Multiple locations.
> Still being developed, as we can.
>
> Would love to get together with you sometime, Chris.  It's been a million
> years.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 11:11?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things
> > settle down for us.
> >
> > Chris G.
> > Xenos
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all
> possible!
> > >
> > > Cindy Spitzer
> > > 443-980-7367
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
> > >> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> > >> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
> > >>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris
> Geankoplis
> > <
> > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if
> I
> > >> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > >> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> > >>>
> > >>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of
> physically
> > >>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used
> Rhodes
> > >>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> > >> large
> > >>> and small.
> > >>>
> > >>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > >>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
> > options,
> > >>> etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> > >>>
> > >>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate,
> and
> > >>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> > >> Stan's
> > >>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > >>> otherwise busy lives.
> > >>>
> > >>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy Spitzer
> > >>> 443-980-7367
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks everyone!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr.
> Orla
> > is
> > >>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the
> website
> > >>>> somewhere?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Matt
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <
> cindyspitzer at gmail.com
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes
> 22
> > >>>>> sails.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cindy Spitzer
> > >>>>> 443-980-7367
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > >>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol?
> Mike
> > >> in
> > >>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
> > and
> > >>>>>> remains my next project.
> > >>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might
> be
> > >>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
> > it
> > >>>> out
> > >>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> > >> 1984
> > >>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other
> and
> > >>>>> check
> > >>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> > feel
> > >>>>> you
> > >>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> > >>>> might
> > >>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > >>>>>> Here is my email.
> > >>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > >>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > >>>>>> Ric
> > >>>>>> Dadventure
> > >>>>>> HBNY
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com
> >
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> > >>>>> unkept,
> > >>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > >>>>> patient
> > >>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> > >>>> disappointed
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>>>> how this turned out.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Matt
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our
> Rhodes
> > >>>>>> floated
> > >>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> > it's
> > >>>>>> short
> > >>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
> > on a
> > >>>>>> price,
> > >>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple
> layers
> > >>>> of
> > >>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
> > you
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will
> have
> > >>>> 2.".
> > >>>>>> This
> > >>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
> > that
> > >>>> is
> > >>>>>> in
> > >>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> > >>>>>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
> > behalf
> > >>>> of
> > >>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > >>>>> grateful
> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource
> regularly
> > >>>>>> supplies.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> > parting
> > >>>>> out
> > >>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> > offer
> > >>>>>> and we
> > >>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
> > shipped
> > >>>>> them
> > >>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> > >>>> Lees
> > >>>>>> Sails
> > >>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> > >>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> > believe
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which
> leads
> > me
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>> my
> > >>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
> > it
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and
> received
> > >>>>> those
> > >>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
> > responsible
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> > >>>> dealing
> > >>>>>> with
> > >>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> > helpful
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> honest.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to
> let
> > me
> > >>>>>> know,
> > >>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > >>>>>> situation.
> > >>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
> > mwhornblower at gmail.com
> > >>>> or
> > >>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> > >>>> they
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have
> the
> > >>>>>> budget at
> > >>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sincerely,
> > >>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>>>>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>

From ruehbl at msn.com  Fri Feb 28 07:14:41 2025
From: ruehbl at msn.com (BARRY RUEHLEN)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 12:14:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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Sorry Matt, I don't have an address for him.

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2025 5:09:19 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails

Good afternoon everyone,

If I could ask your forbearance with one more question related to my sail
saga.  Those of you who purchased something from Michael Orla, do you have
a current address for him?

Many thanks,
Matt WIlson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:36?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Multiple locations.
> Still being developed, as we can.
>
> Would love to get together with you sometime, Chris.  It's been a million
> years.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 11:11?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things
> > settle down for us.
> >
> > Chris G.
> > Xenos
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all
> possible!
> > >
> > > Cindy Spitzer
> > > 443-980-7367
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> > >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
> > >> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> > >> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
> > >>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris
> Geankoplis
> > <
> > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if
> I
> > >> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > >> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> > >>>
> > >>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of
> physically
> > >>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used
> Rhodes
> > >>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> > >> large
> > >>> and small.
> > >>>
> > >>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > >>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
> > options,
> > >>> etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> > >>>
> > >>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate,
> and
> > >>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> > >> Stan's
> > >>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > >>> otherwise busy lives.
> > >>>
> > >>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy Spitzer
> > >>> 443-980-7367
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks everyone!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr.
> Orla
> > is
> > >>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the
> website
> > >>>> somewhere?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Matt
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <
> cindyspitzer at gmail.com
> > >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes
> 22
> > >>>>> sails.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cindy Spitzer
> > >>>>> 443-980-7367
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > >>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol?
> Mike
> > >> in
> > >>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
> > and
> > >>>>>> remains my next project.
> > >>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might
> be
> > >>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
> > it
> > >>>> out
> > >>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> > >> 1984
> > >>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other
> and
> > >>>>> check
> > >>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> > feel
> > >>>>> you
> > >>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> > >>>> might
> > >>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > >>>>>> Here is my email.
> > >>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > >>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > >>>>>> Ric
> > >>>>>> Dadventure
> > >>>>>> HBNY
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com
> >
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> > >>>>> unkept,
> > >>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > >>>>> patient
> > >>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> > >>>> disappointed
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>>>> how this turned out.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Matt
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our
> Rhodes
> > >>>>>> floated
> > >>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> > it's
> > >>>>>> short
> > >>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
> > on a
> > >>>>>> price,
> > >>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple
> layers
> > >>>> of
> > >>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
> > you
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will
> have
> > >>>> 2.".
> > >>>>>> This
> > >>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
> > that
> > >>>> is
> > >>>>>> in
> > >>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2FAAb9ysg&data=05%7C02%7C%7C546d9a1ac5d243387ed308dd577b6bf0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638762909802497269%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FpjzR1rSyaTCzNJMLEtam4ieO6s7CBNITm2D5EhmRzg%3D&reserved=0<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>>
> > >>>>>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
> > behalf
> > >>>> of
> > >>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > >>>>> grateful
> > >>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource
> regularly
> > >>>>>> supplies.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> > parting
> > >>>>> out
> > >>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> > offer
> > >>>>>> and we
> > >>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
> > shipped
> > >>>>> them
> > >>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> > >>>> Lees
> > >>>>>> Sails
> > >>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> > >>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> > believe
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which
> leads
> > me
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>> my
> > >>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
> > it
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and
> received
> > >>>>> those
> > >>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
> > responsible
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> > >>>> dealing
> > >>>>>> with
> > >>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> > helpful
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>> honest.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to
> let
> > me
> > >>>>>> know,
> > >>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > >>>>>> situation.
> > >>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
> > mwhornblower at gmail.com
> > >>>> or
> > >>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> > >>>> they
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have
> the
> > >>>>>> budget at
> > >>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Sincerely,
> > >>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>>>>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>