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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1
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>   1. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
>   2. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
>   3. Re: Bottom paint (Michael McKay)
>   4. Re: Rhodes Sails (BARRY RUEHLEN)
>   5. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
>   6. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
>   7. Re: Rhodes Sails (Matt Wilson)
>   8. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
>   9. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
>  10. Re: Rhodes Sails (Donald Simons)
>  11. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
>  12. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
>  13. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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> Fellow Skippers,?
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:14 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN<ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:   Matt,
> Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> SV Perseverance
> '86 Rhodes 22
> St James City, Fl.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> 
> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and remains my next project.
> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984 original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and check it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel you can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might get distracted from your dilemma.
> Here is my email.
> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>> 
>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>> 
>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises unkept,
>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very disappointed in
>> how this turned out.
>> 
>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes floated
>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's short
>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a price,
>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.". This
>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is in
>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
>>> 
>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful for
>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly supplies.
>>> 
>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>> 
>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer and we
>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped them
>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees Sails
>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe that
>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me to my
>>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it would
>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
>>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible for
>>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took dealing with
>>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
>>> honest.
>>> 
>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me know,
>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this situation.
>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>>> 612-770-4531
>>> 
>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they would
>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the budget at
>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Hornblower II
>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <878631438.681396.1739673386865 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Barry,?
> You have a perfect sailing venue,? which you have discovered. Removed from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.? What year boat?
> Art?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,?
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:19:41 -0500
> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <AEA3864E-2383-4DC6-B8C5-9A6B8EB60A3B at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece and cut it down to size.
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?PBR,
>> 
>> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the only
>> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
>> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with washers
>> and nuts holding the cover down.
>> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and to
>> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce the
>> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b and
>> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once, by
>> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just blocked the
>> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
>> 
>> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier, the
>> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin to
>> remove.
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
>>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
>>>> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats and
>>>> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
>>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the hull
>>>> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
>>>> bucket.
>>>> You should plan on a gallon.
>>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
>>>> Pettit Hydrocoat.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
>>> boat
>>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk
>>> it
>>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have
>>> her
>>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
>>>>> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:03 +0000
> From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <BL0PR02MB65315A7DB32E29F7EA412A7CC1FB2 at BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Art,
> Our Rhodes is an 86 model. A neighbor and I bought it about 3 years ago knowing it was somewhat of a project, needing extensive tlc. It turned into a complete interior rebuild with dry rot and termites into the stringers. The cockpit deck required new core and nonskid gel repair. We just about had her ready to sail when Ian floated her off the trailer breaking the centerboard and dinging the hull in several spots. That is when we encountered Mike Orla. We decided that after glass repair on the hull, we would not be able to match the red gelcoat. The solution was a new paint job. All of that and more took quite a while. Once we were able to get on the water, we found the motor was not dependable and repowered her. We are just now able to sail comfortably even though we still have some minor gelcoat repairs to finish and rewire the breaker panel. The galley rebuild and sole repairs are complete. That's a very brief rundown of our journey.
> She was previously named Crimson Cloud. New name is Perserverance.
> Best,
> BARRY
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 9:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> 
> Barry,
> You have a perfect sailing venue,  which you have discovered. Removed from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.  What year boat?
> Art
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:33:57 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <003f01db819c$ccc2a070$6647e150$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I noticed that Pettit has their annual rebate on bottom paint. I use Hydrocoat which has a $50 rebate.
> 
> The rebate link is:
> https://pettitpaint.com/rebates
> 
> The rebate form is available at:
> https://pettitpaint.com/media/5921/pp-25066-protect-and-propser-rebate-flyer.pdf
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael McKay
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:20 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> 
> If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece and cut it down to size.
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?PBR,
>> 
>> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
>> only way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
>> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
>> washers and nuts holding the cover down.
>> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
>> to replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and
>> reinforce the block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the
>> entire c/b and inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both
>> sides at once, by hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times,
>> I have just blocked the boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
>> 
>> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
>> the c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the
>> cabin to remove.
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
>>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
>>>> the different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2
>>>> coats and two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
>>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
>>>> hull when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
>>>> gallon bucket.
>>>> You should plan on a gallon.
>>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
>>>> paint; Pettit Hydrocoat.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
>>> boat
>>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
>>>>> walk
>>> it
>>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
>>>>> have
>>> her
>>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
>>>>> to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
>>>>> insights
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:45:15 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <004201db819e$60a7d7f0$21f787d0$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Please be very careful when using bottle jacks. I have seen several Rhodes 22 hulls with very round puncture marks in the lower portions. If you insist on jacking the hull up, please distribute the weight over a large area using soft wood blocks. Instead, I use an A-frame made of a pair of through bolted 4x4x12s and a come-along to the from lifting hook. Make sure that the block behind the front hook is in good condition and that the nuts to the U-bolt are tight.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 2:06 AM
> To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat stands should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure the top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the boat, you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to support a corner while you reposition the jack.
> 
> Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are sanding and painting.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Roger,
>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:38:20 -0600
> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CANbEFCt2W6caRRn_avVUGBPbqAk+DOFyy2dm=pChsgWgFpWArw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks everyone!
> 
> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> 
> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> somewhere?
> 
> Matt
> 
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>> sails.
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>> remains my next project.
>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>> check
>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>> you
>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>> Here is my email.
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>> HBNY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>> 
>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>> 
>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>> unkept,
>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>> patient
>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed
>> in
>>>> how this turned out.
>>>> 
>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>> floated
>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>> short
>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>> price,
>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.".
>>> This
>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is
>>> in
>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>> grateful
>>> for
>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>> supplies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>> out
>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>> and we
>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>> them
>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
>>> Sails
>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>> that
>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>> to
>>> my
>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>> would
>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>> those
>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>> for
>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing
>>> with
>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>> and
>>>>> honest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>> know,
>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>> situation.
>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>> 
>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
>>> would
>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>> budget at
>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:00:03 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O6+TnvHcTyx5w2zkkhkemN2AEdvATSCUiK1oGyeZzMnHQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> 
> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
> and small.
> 
> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> etc.
> 
> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> 
> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> 
> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> otherwise busy lives.
> 
> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> 
> Cindy
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks everyone!
>> 
>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>> 
>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>> somewhere?
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>> sails.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>> remains my next project.
>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>> out
>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>>> check
>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>> you
>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>> might
>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>> Here is my email.
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>> HBNY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>> unkept,
>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>> patient
>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>> disappointed
>>> in
>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>> floated
>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>> short
>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>> price,
>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>> of
>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>> a
>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>> 2.".
>>>> This
>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>> is
>>>> in
>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>> of
>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>> grateful
>>>> for
>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>> supplies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>> out
>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>> and we
>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>> them
>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>> Lees
>>>> Sails
>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>> that
>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>> to
>>>> my
>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>> would
>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>> those
>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>> for
>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>> dealing
>>>> with
>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>> and
>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>> know,
>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>> situation.
>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>> or
>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>> they
>>>> would
>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>> budget at
>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:23:42 -0600
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <2AD9CD02-0E5D-4F39-B2D7-27F94C538265 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>> 
>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
>> and small.
>> 
>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>> etc.
>> 
>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>> 
>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>> 
>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>> otherwise busy lives.
>> 
>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> 
>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>> 
>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>> somewhere?
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>> sails.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>> out
>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>>>> check
>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>> you
>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>> might
>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>> Ric
>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>> HBNY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>> unkept,
>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>> patient
>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>> disappointed
>>>> in
>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>> floated
>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>> short
>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>> price,
>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>> of
>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>> a
>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>> 2.".
>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>> is
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>> of
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>> grateful
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>> out
>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>> and we
>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>> them
>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>> Lees
>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>> to
>>>>> my
>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>> those
>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>> for
>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>> dealing
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>> and
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>> know,
>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>> or
>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>> they
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <1726577370.1252557.1740016574197 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Cindy.? It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.? Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> Don Simons,?Old Forge, NY
>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> Thanks Cindy!? Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>> 
>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
>> and small.
>> 
>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>> etc.
>> 
>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>> 
>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>> 
>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>> otherwise busy lives.
>> 
>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> 
>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>> 
>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.? Are those sails listed on the website
>>> somewhere?
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>> sails.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>>> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>> out
>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and
>>>> check
>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel
>>>> you
>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>> might
>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>> Ric
>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>> HBNY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
>>>> unkept,
>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>> patient
>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very
>>> disappointed
>>>> in
>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>> floated
>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>> short
>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>> price,
>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>> of
>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>> a
>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>> 2.".
>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>> is
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>> of
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>> grateful
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>> out
>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer
>>>>> and we
>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped
>>>> them
>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>> Lees
>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me
>>>> to
>>>>> my
>>>>>>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>> those
>>>>>>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>> for
>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took
>>> dealing
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>> and
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>> know,
>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>> or
>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>> they
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the
>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:43:31 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O4hYEZgjFdS4UjkO1XDo-8TuZMzuX5cY8mP69FWZYU_zQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>> 
>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>> large
>>> and small.
>>> 
>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>> 
>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>> Stan's
>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>> 
>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>> 
>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>> 
>>> Cindy
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>> 
>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>> somewhere?
>>>> 
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>> sails.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>> in
>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>>> out
>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>> 1984
>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>> check
>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>>> you
>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>> might
>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>> patient
>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>> disappointed
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>> 2.".
>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>>> is
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>> grateful
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>> Lees
>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>>> to
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>> dealing
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>> or
>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>> they
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 22:11:18 -0600
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <15327DB6-3987-4C30-BBCA-B1255E86E413 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things settle down for us.
> 
> Chris G.
> Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>>   On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>>> 
>>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>>> large
>>>> and small.
>>>> 
>>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>>> 
>>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>>> Stan's
>>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>>> 
>>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>>> 
>>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>>> somewhere?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>>> sails.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>>> in
>>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>>> 1984
>>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>>> check
>>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>>> might
>>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>>> patient
>>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>>> disappointed
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>>> 2.".
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>>> grateful
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>>> Lees
>>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>>> they
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 23:30:25 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O7UuwHxS+wz_0Xuuuy+OXXL7+20mhKPU8D_UaCvP+ifog at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Multiple locations.
> Still being developed, as we can.
> 
> Would love to get together with you sometime, Chris.  It's been a million
> years.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 11:11?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things
>> settle down for us.
>> 
>> Chris G.
>> Xenos
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>>>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>>>   On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis
>> <
>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>>>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>>>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>>>> large
>>>>> and small.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
>> options,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>>>> Stan's
>>>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
>> is
>>>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>>>> somewhere?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>>>> sails.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
>> and
>>>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
>> it
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>>>> 1984
>>>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
>> feel
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>>>> patient
>>>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>>>> disappointed
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
>> it's
>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
>> on a
>>>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
>> you
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>>>> 2.".
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
>> that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
>> behalf
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>>>> grateful
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
>> parting
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
>> offer
>>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
>> shipped
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>>>> Lees
>>>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
>> believe
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
>> me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
>> it
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
>> responsible
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
>> helpful
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
>> me
>>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
>> mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 
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From dgworth3 at icloud.com  Tue May  6 14:58:31 2025
From: dgworth3 at icloud.com (David Worth)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 14:58:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1993 RHODES 22 FOR SALE
Message-ID: <33ECC650-9B5C-47BD-A79D-791DCBD097D8@icloud.com>

Friends,

It is time to retire from sailing. So it goes!

Pictures and specs available, email me at the address below. 

The boat is rigged, the motor is tuned and it is sitting on the trailer at Havre de Grace Maryland at the head of the Chesapeake Bay.  Asking $7,500. Sail it away!  Or maybe I can deliver it to you?

It has been fun! Now it is your turn!

Dave


David Gaston Worth
120 W Lemon St
Lititz, PA 17543
717-715-7879
dgworth3 at icloud.com

From dgworth3 at icloud.com  Tue May  6 14:49:18 2025
From: dgworth3 at icloud.com (David Worth)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 14:49:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
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> Fellow Skippers,?
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:14 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN<ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:   Matt,
> Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
> Best,
> Barry Ruehlen
> SV Perseverance
> '86 Rhodes 22
> St James City, Fl.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> 
> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and remains my next project.
> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984 original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and check it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel you can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might get distracted from your dilemma.
> Here is my email.
> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>> 
>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>> 
>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises unkept,
>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very disappointed in
>> how this turned out.
>> 
>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes floated
>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's short
>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a price,
>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.". This
>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is in
>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2FAAb9ysg&data=05%7C02%7C%7C42b03d80d4b34b5801c708dd4dfea591%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638752478296137504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=cA1MssHqtjFxkxPauAGtU%2FoodZ08NHlNj0B9VigLBu8%3D&reserved=0<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> 
>>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
>>> 
>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am grateful for
>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly supplies.
>>> 
>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>> 
>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting out
>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer and we
>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped them
>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees Sails
>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe that
>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me to my
>>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it would
>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received those
>>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible for
>>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took dealing with
>>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful and
>>> honest.
>>> 
>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me know,
>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this situation.
>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>>> 612-770-4531
>>> 
>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they would
>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the budget at
>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Hornblower II
>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <878631438.681396.1739673386865 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Barry,?
> You have a perfect sailing venue,? which you have discovered. Removed from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.? What year boat?
> Art?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,?
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:19:41 -0500
> From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <AEA3864E-2383-4DC6-B8C5-9A6B8EB60A3B at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece and cut it down to size.
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?PBR,
>> 
>> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the only
>> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
>> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with washers
>> and nuts holding the cover down.
>> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and to
>> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce the
>> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b and
>> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once, by
>> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just blocked the
>> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
>> 
>> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier, the
>> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin to
>> remove.
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
>>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
>>>> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats and
>>>> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
>>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the hull
>>>> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
>>>> bucket.
>>>> You should plan on a gallon.
>>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
>>>> Pettit Hydrocoat.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
>>> boat
>>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk
>>> it
>>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have
>>> her
>>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
>>>>> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:03 +0000
> From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <BL0PR02MB65315A7DB32E29F7EA412A7CC1FB2 at BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Art,
> Our Rhodes is an 86 model. A neighbor and I bought it about 3 years ago knowing it was somewhat of a project, needing extensive tlc. It turned into a complete interior rebuild with dry rot and termites into the stringers. The cockpit deck required new core and nonskid gel repair. We just about had her ready to sail when Ian floated her off the trailer breaking the centerboard and dinging the hull in several spots. That is when we encountered Mike Orla. We decided that after glass repair on the hull, we would not be able to match the red gelcoat. The solution was a new paint job. All of that and more took quite a while. Once we were able to get on the water, we found the motor was not dependable and repowered her. We are just now able to sail comfortably even though we still have some minor gelcoat repairs to finish and rewire the breaker panel. The galley rebuild and sole repairs are complete. That's a very brief rundown of our journey.
> She was previously named Crimson Cloud. New name is Perserverance.
> Best,
> BARRY
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 9:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> 
> Barry,
> You have a perfect sailing venue,  which you have discovered. Removed from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.  What year boat?
> Art
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
>  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,
> I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.
> Best to you,Art Czerwonky
> 
> Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:33:57 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <003f01db819c$ccc2a070$6647e150$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I noticed that Pettit has their annual rebate on bottom paint. I use Hydrocoat which has a $50 rebate.
> 
> The rebate link is:
> https://pettitpaint.com/rebates
> 
> The rebate form is available at:
> https://pettitpaint.com/media/5921/pp-25066-protect-and-propser-rebate-flyer.pdf
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael McKay
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:20 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> 
> If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece and cut it down to size.
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?PBR,
>> 
>> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
>> only way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
>> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
>> washers and nuts holding the cover down.
>> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
>> to replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and
>> reinforce the block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the
>> entire c/b and inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both
>> sides at once, by hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times,
>> I have just blocked the boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
>> 
>> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
>> the c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the
>> cabin to remove.
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
>>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
>>>> the different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2
>>>> coats and two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
>>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
>>>> hull when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
>>>> gallon bucket.
>>>> You should plan on a gallon.
>>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
>>>> paint; Pettit Hydrocoat.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
>>> boat
>>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
>>>>> walk
>>> it
>>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
>>>>> have
>>> her
>>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
>>>>> to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
>>>>> insights
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:45:15 -0500
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> Message-ID: <004201db819e$60a7d7f0$21f787d0$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Please be very careful when using bottle jacks. I have seen several Rhodes 22 hulls with very round puncture marks in the lower portions. If you insist on jacking the hull up, please distribute the weight over a large area using soft wood blocks. Instead, I use an A-frame made of a pair of through bolted 4x4x12s and a come-along to the from lifting hook. Make sure that the block behind the front hook is in good condition and that the nuts to the U-bolt are tight.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 2:06 AM
> To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat stands should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure the top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the boat, you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to support a corner while you reposition the jack.
> 
> Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are sanding and painting.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Roger,
>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:38:20 -0600
> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CANbEFCt2W6caRRn_avVUGBPbqAk+DOFyy2dm=pChsgWgFpWArw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks everyone!
> 
> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> 
> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> somewhere?
> 
> Matt
> 
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>> sails.
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>> remains my next project.
>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>> check
>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>> you
>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>> Here is my email.
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>> HBNY
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>> 
>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>> 
>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>> unkept,
>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>> patient
>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed
>> in
>>>> how this turned out.
>>>> 
>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>> floated
>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>> short
>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>> price,
>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.".
>>> This
>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is
>>> in
>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>> grateful
>>> for
>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>> supplies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>> out
>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>> and we
>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>> them
>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
>>> Sails
>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>> that
>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>> to
>>> my
>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>> would
>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>> those
>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>> for
>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took dealing
>>> with
>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>> and
>>>>> honest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>> know,
>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>> situation.
>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>> 
>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
>>> would
>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>> budget at
>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:00:03 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O6+TnvHcTyx5w2zkkhkemN2AEdvATSCUiK1oGyeZzMnHQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> 
> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
> and small.
> 
> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> etc.
> 
> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> 
> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> 
> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> otherwise busy lives.
> 
> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> 
> Cindy
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks everyone!
>> 
>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>> 
>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>> somewhere?
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>> sails.
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>> remains my next project.
>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>> out
>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>>> check
>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>> you
>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>> might
>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>> Here is my email.
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>> HBNY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>> 
>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>> unkept,
>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>> patient
>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>> disappointed
>>> in
>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>> floated
>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>> short
>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>> price,
>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>> of
>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>> a
>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>> 2.".
>>>> This
>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>> is
>>>> in
>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>> of
>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>> grateful
>>>> for
>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>> supplies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>> out
>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>> and we
>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>> them
>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>> Lees
>>>> Sails
>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>> that
>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>> to
>>>> my
>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>> would
>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>> those
>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>> for
>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>> dealing
>>>> with
>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>> and
>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>> know,
>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>> situation.
>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>> or
>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>> they
>>>> would
>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>> budget at
>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:23:42 -0600
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <2AD9CD02-0E5D-4F39-B2D7-27F94C538265 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>> 
>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
>> and small.
>> 
>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>> etc.
>> 
>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>> 
>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>> 
>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>> otherwise busy lives.
>> 
>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> 
>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>> 
>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>> somewhere?
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>> sails.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>> out
>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
>>>> check
>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>> you
>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>> might
>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>> Ric
>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>> HBNY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>> unkept,
>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>> patient
>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>> disappointed
>>>> in
>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>> floated
>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>> short
>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>> price,
>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>> of
>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>> a
>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>> 2.".
>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>> is
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>> of
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>> grateful
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>> out
>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>> and we
>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>> them
>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>> Lees
>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>> to
>>>>> my
>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>> those
>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>> for
>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>> dealing
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>> and
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>> know,
>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>> or
>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>> they
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <1726577370.1252557.1740016574197 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Cindy.? It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.? Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> Don Simons,?Old Forge, NY
>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> Thanks Cindy!? Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>> 
>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items, large
>> and small.
>> 
>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>> etc.
>> 
>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>> 
>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to Stan's
>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>> 
>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>> otherwise busy lives.
>> 
>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> 
>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>> 
>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.? Are those sails listed on the website
>>> somewhere?
>>> 
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>> sails.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
>>>>> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>> out
>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and
>>>> check
>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel
>>>> you
>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>> might
>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>> Ric
>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>> HBNY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
>>>> unkept,
>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>> patient
>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very
>>> disappointed
>>>> in
>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>> floated
>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>> short
>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>> price,
>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>> of
>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>> a
>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>> 2.".
>>>>> This
>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>> is
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>> of
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>> grateful
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>> out
>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer
>>>>> and we
>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped
>>>> them
>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>> Lees
>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me
>>>> to
>>>>> my
>>>>>>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>> those
>>>>>>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>> for
>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took
>>> dealing
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>> and
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>> know,
>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>> or
>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>> they
>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the
>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:43:31 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O4hYEZgjFdS4UjkO1XDo-8TuZMzuX5cY8mP69FWZYU_zQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
> 
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
> 
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>> 
>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>> large
>>> and small.
>>> 
>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>> 
>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>> Stan's
>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>> 
>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>> 
>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>> 
>>> Cindy
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>> 
>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>> somewhere?
>>>> 
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>> sails.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>> in
>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>>> out
>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>> 1984
>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>> check
>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>>> you
>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>> might
>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>> patient
>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>> disappointed
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>> 2.".
>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>>> is
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>> grateful
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>> Lees
>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>>> to
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>> dealing
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>> or
>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>> they
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 22:11:18 -0600
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID: <15327DB6-3987-4C30-BBCA-B1255E86E413 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things settle down for us.
> 
> Chris G.
> Xenos
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
>> 
>> Cindy Spitzer
>> 443-980-7367
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>>   On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>>> 
>>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>>> large
>>>> and small.
>>>> 
>>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>>> 
>>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>>> Stan's
>>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>>> 
>>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>>> 
>>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy
>>>> 
>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
>>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>>> somewhere?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>>> sails.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>>> in
>>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
>>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
>>>>> out
>>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>>> 1984
>>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>>> check
>>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>>> might
>>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>>> patient
>>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>>> disappointed
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
>>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>>> 2.".
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>>> grateful
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>>> Lees
>>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>>> they
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 23:30:25 -0500
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> Message-ID:
>    <CABbc6O7UuwHxS+wz_0Xuuuy+OXXL7+20mhKPU8D_UaCvP+ifog at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Multiple locations.
> Still being developed, as we can.
> 
> Would love to get together with you sometime, Chris.  It's been a million
> years.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 11:11?PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> So where is it being moved to?  Wish I could volunteer, maybe when things
>> settle down for us.
>> 
>> Chris G.
>> Xenos
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2025, at 8:51?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Not so much me, but our wonderful volunteers are making it all possible!
>>> 
>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>> 443-980-7367
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2025, 9:06?PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Cindy.  It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.
>>>> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
>>>> Don Simons, Old Forge, NY
>>>>   On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis
>> <
>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
>>>> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
>>>> Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
>>>>> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
>>>>> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
>>>> large
>>>>> and small.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
>>>>> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
>> options,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
>>>>> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
>>>> Stan's
>>>>> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
>>>>> otherwise busy lives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
>> is
>>>>>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
>>>>>> somewhere?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
>>>>>>> sails.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cindy Spitzer
>>>>>>> 443-980-7367
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
>>>>>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
>> and
>>>>>>>> remains my next project.
>>>>>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
>>>>>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
>> it
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
>>>> 1984
>>>>>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other  and
>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
>> feel
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
>>>>>>>> Here is my email.
>>>>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
>>>>>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
>>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
>>>>>>> unkept,
>>>>>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
>>>>>>> patient
>>>>>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
>>>>>> disappointed
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> how this turned out.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
>>>>>>>> floated
>>>>>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
>> it's
>>>>>>>> short
>>>>>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
>> on a
>>>>>>>> price,
>>>>>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
>> you
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
>>>>>> 2.".
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
>> that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
>>>>>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
>> behalf
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
>>>>>>> grateful
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
>>>>>>>> supplies.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
>> parting
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
>> offer
>>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
>> shipped
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
>>>>>> Lees
>>>>>>>> Sails
>>>>>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
>>>>>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
>> believe
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
>> me
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
>> it
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
>> responsible
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
>> helpful
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> honest.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
>> me
>>>>>>>> know,
>>>>>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
>>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
>> mwhornblower at gmail.com
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> 612-770-4531
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
>>>>>>>> budget at
>>>>>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
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From lsr3 at nyu.edu  Wed May  7 11:35:24 2025
From: lsr3 at nyu.edu (Lou Rosenberg)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 11:35:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4599, Issue 1
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John Farmer,
Does this R22 have a faded orange paint on hull?
Any name?
I sold my R22 "Miracles " in 2017
It's been in Mill Basin @ BayEnd marina.
Contact me if this is same boat.
Lou

Troy, NY

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> I?m interested in this conversion also, can you send a link or catalog cut
> on the manual lift?
>
> > On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:57?PM, Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hello all,
> >
> > We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes and
> > install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> with
> > the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> > electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch Motor
> > Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> changing
> > the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> them
> > entirely.
> >
> > We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> > conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> > system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the
> top
> > of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> handle
> > on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds up
> a
> > bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could go,
> > even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> the
> > current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> > collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> back
> > of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> epropulsion
> > throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of
> the
> > panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> > already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> > considering buying this outboard for an R22, definitely just go with the
> > throttle controller from the start).  With the light weight of the
> > ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need any of the assistance from
> > either the electric lift or a manual pulley conversion.
> >
> > Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> > switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the hull.
> It
> > seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> > tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> adhesive
> > or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> > lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them
> my
> > way!
> >
> > Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> > motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest to
> > you!
> >
> > Happy Spring!
> > Rosie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2025 06:07:11 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>, The Rhodes Email List
>         <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
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> Hi Thomas,
>
> I bought the manual lift back in 2011 direct from GBI.  You would have to
> check with Cindy Spitzer to see if they have any more stock or if they have
> conversion kits.  If they don?t have any stock; then, it?s just takes a
> couple of Harken side-by-side 3 sheave blocks, a cam cleat, and some 5/16?
> line to build your own, assuming you already have an electric GBI motor
> mount to convert.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> As Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 21, 2025, at 1:06?PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > ?I?m interested in this conversion also, can you send a link or catalog
> cut on the manual lift?
> >
> >> On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:57?PM, Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hello all,
> >>
> >> We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes
> and
> >> install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> with
> >> the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> >> electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch
> Motor
> >> Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> changing
> >> the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> them
> >> entirely.
> >>
> >> We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> >> conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> >> system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the
> top
> >> of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> handle
> >> on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds
> up a
> >> bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could
> go,
> >> even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> the
> >> current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> >> collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> back
> >> of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> epropulsion
> >> throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of
> the
> >> panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> >> already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> >> considering buying this outboard for an R22, definitely just go with the
> >> throttle controller from the start).  With the light weight of the
> >> ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need any of the assistance from
> >> either the electric lift or a manual pulley conversion.
> >>
> >> Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> >> switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the
> hull. It
> >> seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> >> tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> adhesive
> >> or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> >> lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them
> my
> >> way!
> >>
> >> Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> >> motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest
> to
> >> you!
> >>
> >> Happy Spring!
> >> Rosie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:16:00 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> Message-ID: <002001dbb61e$dd953960$98bfac20$@ebsmed.com>
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>
> Rosie,
>
> Are you willing to sell the electric winch "package"? I am interested in
> it.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Rosie Krueger
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2025 11:10 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
>
> Hello all,
>
> We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes and
> install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed with
> the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch Motor
> Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve changing
> the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing them
> entirely.
>
> We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the top
> of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller handle
> on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds up a
> bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could go,
> even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that the
> current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the back
> of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the epropulsion
> throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of the
> panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> considering buying this outboard for an
>  R22, definitely just go with the throttle controller from the start).
> With the light weight of the ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need
> any of the assistance from either the electric lift or a manual pulley
> conversion.
>
> Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the hull. It
> seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any adhesive
> or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them my
> way!
>
> Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest to
> you!
>
> Happy Spring!
> Rosie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 17:33:33 -0400
> From: John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
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>
> Hello,
>
> I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for a
> new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and anticipate
> a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
>
> Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> installation issues?
>
> Thanks very much,
> John
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 18:05:40 -0400
> From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> Message-ID:
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> The General Boats Parts Department has a variety of Rhodes 22 items and
> replacement parts available, including new and used sails.
>
> You can contact me directly at cindy at cindyspitzer.com or leave me a
> voicemail at phone number below, and I'll see if we have what you need.
>
> Congratulations on what sounds like a nice find at the perfect time.
>
> Happy sailing!
>
> Cindy Spitzer
> 443-980-7367
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2025, 5:33?PM John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> > York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> > interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for
> a
> > new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and
> anticipate
> > a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
> >
> > Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> > be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> > installation issues?
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > John
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:04:39 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> Message-ID: <001601dbb9fa$583718d0$08a54a70$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi John,
>
> Where in NY? Long Island? Do you need help?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> John Farmer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2025 5:34 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
>
> Hello,
>
> I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for a
> new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and anticipate
> a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
>
> Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> installation issues?
>
> Thanks very much,
> John
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 14:49:18 -0400
> From: David Worth <dgworth3 at icloud.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1
> Message-ID: <6E2A61F2-1239-4B94-AAE4-DD299A3A8043 at icloud.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
> David Gaston Worth
> 120 W Lemon St
> Lititz, PA 17543
> 717-715-7879
> dgworth3 at icloud.com
>
> > On Feb 19, 2025, at 11:30?PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
> >
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
> >   2. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
> >   3. Re: Bottom paint (Michael McKay)
> >   4. Re: Rhodes Sails (BARRY RUEHLEN)
> >   5. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
> >   6. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
> >   7. Re: Rhodes Sails (Matt Wilson)
> >   8. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> >   9. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
> >  10. Re: Rhodes Sails (Donald Simons)
> >  11. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> >  12. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
> >  13. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <1233443046.674089.1739673066534 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Fellow Skippers,?
> > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of
> boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> > Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:14 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN<ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
>  Matt,
> > Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the
> strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a
> couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him
> to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following
> day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
> > Best,
> > Barry Ruehlen
> > SV Perseverance
> > '86 Rhodes 22
> > St James City, Fl.
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > Get Outlook for Android<
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> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >
> > Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> remains my next project.
> > Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and check
> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel you
> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > Here is my email.
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > Ric
> > Dadventure
> > HBNY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>
> >> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>
> >> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises unkept,
> >> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very patient
> >> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very disappointed
> in
> >> how this turned out.
> >>
> >> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> floated
> >>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> short
> >>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> price,
> >>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> >>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> >>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have 2.".
> This
> >>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that is
> in
> >>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>> Get Outlook for Android<
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> >>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> >>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
> >>>
> >>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> grateful for
> >>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> supplies.
> >>>
> >>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>
> >>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> out
> >>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer
> and we
> >>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped
> them
> >>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
> Sails
> >>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
> >>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> that
> >>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me
> to my
> >>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> would
> >>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> those
> >>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible for
> >>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took dealing
> with
> >>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> and
> >>> honest.
> >>>
> >>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> know,
> >>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> situation.
> >>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com or
> >>> 612-770-4531
> >>>
> >>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
> would
> >>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the
> budget at
> >>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> Matt Wilson
> >>> Hornblower II
> >>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <878631438.681396.1739673386865 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Barry,?
> > You have a perfect sailing venue,? which you have discovered. Removed
> from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.? What year boat?
> > Art?
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,?
> > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of
> boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> > Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:19:41 -0500
> > From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > Message-ID: <AEA3864E-2383-4DC6-B8C5-9A6B8EB60A3B at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the
> cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I
> have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece
> and cut it down to size.
> >
> > Michael McKay
> > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?PBR,
> >>
> >> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
> only
> >> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> >> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
> washers
> >> and nuts holding the cover down.
> >> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and to
> >> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce the
> >> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b and
> >> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once, by
> >> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just blocked
> the
> >> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
> >>
> >> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
> the
> >> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin to
> >> remove.
> >>
> >> Todd T.
> >>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> >>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of the
> >>>> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats
> and
> >>>> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> >>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> hull
> >>>> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the gallon
> >>>> bucket.
> >>>> You should plan on a gallon.
> >>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative paint;
> >>>> Pettit Hydrocoat.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> >>> boat
> >>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> walk
> >>> it
> >>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have
> >>> her
> >>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> to
> >>>>> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:03 +0000
> > From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID:
> >    <
> BL0PR02MB65315A7DB32E29F7EA412A7CC1FB2 at BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Art,
> > Our Rhodes is an 86 model. A neighbor and I bought it about 3 years ago
> knowing it was somewhat of a project, needing extensive tlc. It turned into
> a complete interior rebuild with dry rot and termites into the stringers.
> The cockpit deck required new core and nonskid gel repair. We just about
> had her ready to sail when Ian floated her off the trailer breaking the
> centerboard and dinging the hull in several spots. That is when we
> encountered Mike Orla. We decided that after glass repair on the hull, we
> would not be able to match the red gelcoat. The solution was a new paint
> job. All of that and more took quite a while. Once we were able to get on
> the water, we found the motor was not dependable and repowered her. We are
> just now able to sail comfortably even though we still have some minor
> gelcoat repairs to finish and rewire the breaker panel. The galley rebuild
> and sole repairs are complete. That's a very brief rundown of our journey.
> > She was previously named Crimson Cloud. New name is Perserverance.
> > Best,
> > BARRY
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 9:36 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >
> > Barry,
> > You have a perfect sailing venue,  which you have discovered. Removed
> from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.  What year boat?
> > Art
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> wrote:   Fellow Skippers,
> > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number of
> boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.
> > Best to you,Art Czerwonky
> >
> > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:33:57 -0500
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > Message-ID: <003f01db819c$ccc2a070$6647e150$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > I noticed that Pettit has their annual rebate on bottom paint. I use
> Hydrocoat which has a $50 rebate.
> >
> > The rebate link is:
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pettitpaint.com_rebates&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=M1ql3Q9PChf19Esa-lOfqQgrCFufg7Sv36Z_DUAygOc&e=
> >
> > The rebate form is available at:
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pettitpaint.com_media_5921_pp-2D25066-2Dprotect-2Dand-2Dpropser-2Drebate-2Dflyer.pdf&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=2dcXNex9ruDDIuuCS32Dk-3TDZbJBWarUhKmGjx21E4&e=
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Michael McKay
> > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:20 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> >
> > If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the
> cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I
> have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece
> and cut it down to size.
> >
> > Michael McKay
> > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?PBR,
> >>
> >> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
> >> only way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> >> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
> >> washers and nuts holding the cover down.
> >> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
> >> to replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and
> >> reinforce the block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the
> >> entire c/b and inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both
> >> sides at once, by hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times,
> >> I have just blocked the boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk
> as I could from below.
> >>
> >> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
> >> the c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the
> >> cabin to remove.
> >>
> >> Todd T.
> >>
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> >>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
> >>>> the different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2
> >>>> coats and two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> >>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> >>>> hull when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
> >>>> gallon bucket.
> >>>> You should plan on a gallon.
> >>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
> >>>> paint; Pettit Hydrocoat.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Roger,
> >>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> >>> boat
> >>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> >>>>> walk
> >>> it
> >>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
> >>>>> have
> >>> her
> >>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> >>>>> to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
> >>>>> insights
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:45:15 -0500
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > Message-ID: <004201db819e$60a7d7f0$21f787d0$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Please be very careful when using bottle jacks. I have seen several
> Rhodes 22 hulls with very round puncture marks in the lower portions. If
> you insist on jacking the hull up, please distribute the weight over a
> large area using soft wood blocks. Instead, I use an A-frame made of a pair
> of through bolted 4x4x12s and a come-along to the from lifting hook. Make
> sure that the block behind the front hook is in good condition and that the
> nuts to the U-bolt are tight.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 2:06 AM
> > To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless
> you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to
> prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat stands
> should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure the
> top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the boat,
> you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to
> support a corner while you reposition the jack.
> >
> > Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are
> sanding and painting.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Hi Roger,
> >>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat
> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it
> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her
> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:38:20 -0600
> > From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CANbEFCt2W6caRRn_avVUGBPbqAk+DOFyy2dm=pChsgWgFpWArw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Thanks everyone!
> >
> > Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> > facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >
> > Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> > somewhere?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >> sails.
> >>
> >> Cindy Spitzer
> >> 443-980-7367
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> >>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>> remains my next project.
> >>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> out
> >>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> >>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> >> check
> >>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
> >> you
> >>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> might
> >>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>> Here is my email.
> >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>> Ric
> >>> Dadventure
> >>> HBNY
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>
> >>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >> unkept,
> >>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >> patient
> >>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very disappointed
> >> in
> >>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>
> >>>> Matt
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>> floated
> >>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> >>> short
> >>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> >>> price,
> >>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> >>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> >>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> 2.".
> >>> This
> >>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> is
> >>> in
> >>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> >
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> >>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >> grateful
> >>> for
> >>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>> supplies.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> >> out
> >>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
> >>> and we
> >>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> >> them
> >>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
> >>> Sails
> >>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> >>> that
> >>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
> >> to
> >>> my
> >>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> >>> would
> >>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >> those
> >>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> >> for
> >>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> dealing
> >>> with
> >>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> >> and
> >>>>> honest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> >>> know,
> >>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>> situation.
> >>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> or
> >>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
> >>> would
> >>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>> budget at
> >>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:00:03 -0500
> > From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CABbc6O6+TnvHcTyx5w2zkkhkemN2AEdvATSCUiK1oGyeZzMnHQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >
> > Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> > moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> > parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> large
> > and small.
> >
> > Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> > etc.
> >
> > Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >
> > In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> > organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> Stan's
> > old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >
> > Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > otherwise busy lives.
> >
> > Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > Cindy Spitzer
> > 443-980-7367
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks everyone!
> >>
> >> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla is
> >> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>
> >> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> >> somewhere?
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>> sails.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>> 443-980-7367
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> >>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>>> remains my next project.
> >>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> >> out
> >>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> >>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> >>> check
> >>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you feel
> >>> you
> >>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >> might
> >>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>> Here is my email.
> >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>> Ric
> >>>> Dadventure
> >>>> HBNY
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >>> unkept,
> >>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>> patient
> >>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> >> disappointed
> >>> in
> >>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Matt
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>> floated
> >>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> >>>> short
> >>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> >>>> price,
> >>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> >> of
> >>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
> >> a
> >>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> >> 2.".
> >>>> This
> >>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> >> is
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> >
> >>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> >> of
> >>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >>> grateful
> >>>> for
> >>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>>> supplies.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> >>> out
> >>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his offer
> >>>> and we
> >>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> >>> them
> >>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> >> Lees
> >>>> Sails
> >>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> >>>> that
> >>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads me
> >>> to
> >>>> my
> >>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> >>>> would
> >>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >>> those
> >>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> >>> for
> >>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> >> dealing
> >>>> with
> >>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> >>> and
> >>>>>> honest.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> >>>> know,
> >>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>>> situation.
> >>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> >> or
> >>>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> >> they
> >>>> would
> >>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>>> budget at
> >>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:23:42 -0600
> > From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <2AD9CD02-0E5D-4F39-B2D7-27F94C538265 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >>
> >> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> >> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> >> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> large
> >> and small.
> >>
> >> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> >> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> >> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> Stan's
> >> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >>
> >> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> >> otherwise busy lives.
> >>
> >> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >> Cindy Spitzer
> >> 443-980-7367
> >>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks everyone!
> >>>
> >>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> >>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> >>> somewhere?
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>>> sails.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>>> 443-980-7367
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> >>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>>>> remains my next project.
> >>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> >>> out
> >>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> >>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> >>>> check
> >>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> feel
> >>>> you
> >>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >>> might
> >>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>>> Here is my email.
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>>> Ric
> >>>>> Dadventure
> >>>>> HBNY
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> >>>> unkept,
> >>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>>> patient
> >>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> >>> disappointed
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>>> floated
> >>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> >>>>> short
> >>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on
> a
> >>>>> price,
> >>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you
> >>> a
> >>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> >>> 2.".
> >>>>> This
> >>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> >>> is
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> >>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> >
> >>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> >>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> >>>> grateful
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> >>>>> supplies.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> parting
> >>>> out
> >>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> offer
> >>>>> and we
> >>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> >>>> them
> >>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> >>> Lees
> >>>>> Sails
> >>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> >>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> believe
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
> me
> >>>> to
> >>>>> my
> >>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> >>>> those
> >>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> >>>> for
> >>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> >>> dealing
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> helpful
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> honest.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
> me
> >>>>> know,
> >>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> >>>>> situation.
> >>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> >>> or
> >>>>>>> 612-770-4531
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> >>> they
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> >>>>> budget at
> >>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > Message-ID: <1726577370.1252557.1740016574197 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Cindy.? It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.?
> Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> > Don Simons,?Old Forge, NY
> >    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Cindy!? Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> >>
> >> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> >> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> >> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> large
> >> and small.
> >>
> >> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> >> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery options,
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> >> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> Stan's
> >> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> >>
> >> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> >> otherwise busy lives.
> >>
> >> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> >>
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >> Cindy Spitzer
> >> 443-980-7367
> >>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks everyone!
> >>>
> >>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> >>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.? Are those sails listed on the website
> >>> somewhere?
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> >>>> sails.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Spitzer
> >>>> 443-980-7367
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> >>>>> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> >>>>> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> >>>>> remains my next project.
> >>>>> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> >>>>> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> >>> out
> >>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> >>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and
> >>>> check
> >>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you
> feel
> >>>> you
> >>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> >>> might
> >>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> >>>>> Here is my email.
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> >>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> >>>>> Ric
> >>>>> Dadventure
> >>>>> HBNY
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
> >>>> unkept,
> >>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> >>>> patient
> >>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very
> >>> disappointed
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> how this turned out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Matt
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> >>>>> floated
> >>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> >>>>> shor

From johnfarmer87 at gmail.com  Wed May  7 11:53:56 2025
From: johnfarmer87 at gmail.com (John Farmer)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 11:53:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4599, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <CA+XkGs7ySEbFmrg=Nc-Ev9n11r+76_B0gWF-YsDH-s1xC6Bd1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2361.1746590025.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <CA+XkGs7ySEbFmrg=Nc-Ev9n11r+76_B0gWF-YsDH-s1xC6Bd1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE70t68Zm-WF1c+xuLhQzj9VyTJfxZ10wn4ug+X6+U1yGQkhZA@mail.gmail.com>

Lou,

It seems to be a different boat. It is named Argo, and has a navy blue hull.

Thanks,
John

On Wed, May 7, 2025 at 11:44?AM Lou Rosenberg <lsr3 at nyu.edu> wrote:

> John Farmer,
> Does this R22 have a faded orange paint on hull?
> Any name?
> I sold my R22 "Miracles " in 2017
> It's been in Mill Basin @ BayEnd marina.
> Contact me if this is same boat.
> Lou
>
> Troy, NY
>
> On Tue, May 6, 2025, 11:54?PM <rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
> >         rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >
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> >
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> > than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: Tips on removing motor lift? (THOMAS POLISE)
> >    2. Re: Tips on removing motor lift? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> >    3. Re: Tips on removing motor lift? (Michael D. Weisner)
> >    4. Where to source parts for a project R22? (John Farmer)
> >    5. Re: Where to source parts for a project R22? (Cindy Spitzer)
> >    6. Re: Where to source parts for a project R22? (Michael D. Weisner)
> >    7. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1 (David Worth)
> >    8. 1993 RHODES 22 FOR SALE (David Worth)
> >    9. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1 (David Worth)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 13:05:58 -0400
> > From: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>
> > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Cc: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> > Message-ID: <0C1004AE-5FE0-443B-A469-671C590828E8 at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > I?m interested in this conversion also, can you send a link or catalog
> cut
> > on the manual lift?
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:57?PM, Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Hello all,
> > >
> > > We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes
> and
> > > install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> > with
> > > the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> > > electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch
> Motor
> > > Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> > changing
> > > the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> > them
> > > entirely.
> > >
> > > We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> > > conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the
> electrical
> > > system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the
> > top
> > > of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> > handle
> > > on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds
> up
> > a
> > > bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could
> go,
> > > even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> > the
> > > current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> > > collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> > back
> > > of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> > epropulsion
> > > throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of
> > the
> > > panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> > > already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> > > considering buying this outboard for an R22, definitely just go with
> the
> > > throttle controller from the start).  With the light weight of the
> > > ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need any of the assistance from
> > > either the electric lift or a manual pulley conversion.
> > >
> > > Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> > > switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the
> hull.
> > It
> > > seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> > > tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> > adhesive
> > > or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken
> the
> > > lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them
> > my
> > > way!
> > >
> > > Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used
> electric
> > > motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest
> to
> > > you!
> > >
> > > Happy Spring!
> > > Rosie
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2025 06:07:11 +0000
> > From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > To: THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com>, The Rhodes Email List
> >         <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> > Message-ID:
> >         <
> >
> BY5PR10MB38252FE9A01AB6722479CAEC80BB2 at BY5PR10MB3825.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
> > >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > I bought the manual lift back in 2011 direct from GBI.  You would have to
> > check with Cindy Spitzer to see if they have any more stock or if they
> have
> > conversion kits.  If they don?t have any stock; then, it?s just takes a
> > couple of Harken side-by-side 3 sheave blocks, a cam cleat, and some
> 5/16?
> > line to build your own, assuming you already have an electric GBI motor
> > mount to convert.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 1978. Sanford, MI
> >
> > As Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Apr 21, 2025, at 1:06?PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > ?I?m interested in this conversion also, can you send a link or catalog
> > cut on the manual lift?
> > >
> > >> On Apr 20, 2025, at 10:57?PM, Rosie Krueger <rosie.krueger at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Hello all,
> > >>
> > >> We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes
> > and
> > >> install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> > with
> > >> the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> > >> electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch
> > Motor
> > >> Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> > changing
> > >> the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> > them
> > >> entirely.
> > >>
> > >> We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> > >> conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the
> electrical
> > >> system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse,
> the
> > top
> > >> of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> > handle
> > >> on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds
> > up a
> > >> bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could
> > go,
> > >> even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> > the
> > >> current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> > >> collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> > back
> > >> of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> > epropulsion
> > >> throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost
> of
> > the
> > >> panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> > >> already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> > >> considering buying this outboard for an R22, definitely just go with
> the
> > >> throttle controller from the start).  With the light weight of the
> > >> ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need any of the assistance
> from
> > >> either the electric lift or a manual pulley conversion.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> > >> switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the
> > hull. It
> > >> seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> > >> tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> > adhesive
> > >> or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken
> the
> > >> lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send
> them
> > my
> > >> way!
> > >>
> > >> Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used
> electric
> > >> motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest
> > to
> > >> you!
> > >>
> > >> Happy Spring!
> > >> Rosie
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 16:16:00 -0400
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> > Message-ID: <002001dbb61e$dd953960$98bfac20$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Rosie,
> >
> > Are you willing to sell the electric winch "package"? I am interested in
> > it.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Rosie Krueger
> > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2025 11:10 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tips on removing motor lift?
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > We're planning to remove the electric motor lift from our 2007 Rhodes and
> > install a Panther manual adjustable bracket instead. Before we proceed
> with
> > the project, I am wondering if anyone has any tips about removing the
> > electric lift setup.  I read through the "Converting Electric Winch Motor
> > Lift to a Manual System" thread, but that mostly seems to involve
> changing
> > the method of power for the existing lift tracks, rather than removing
> them
> > entirely.
> >
> > We have a few reasons for switching.  Like others who made the manual
> > conversion, we don't like the vulnerability of relying on the electrical
> > system in a moment when we might really need the motor.  But worse, the
> top
> > of the existing lift system significantly interferes with the tiller
> handle
> > on our ePropulsion Spirit electric outboard.  The tiller handle folds up
> a
> > bit, but not far enough to allow the outboard down as far as it could go,
> > even with the tilt set as far back as possible.  We've also found that
> the
> > current positioning allows potential for the outboard and rudder to
> > collide. The Panther bracket should push the motor far enough off the
> back
> > of the boat to resolve that issue.  We did consider getting the
> epropulsion
> > throttle controller for the outboard, but that was about 2x the cost of
> the
> > panther bracket and wouldn't have solved the motor/rudder issue.  (We
> > already had the tiller controller from our prior boat - if you're
> > considering buying this outboard for an
> >  R22, definitely just go with the throttle controller from the start).
> > With the light weight of the ePropulsion, we also don't particularly need
> > any of the assistance from either the electric lift or a manual pulley
> > conversion.
> >
> > Anyway, all of these reasons have us feeling confident in making the
> > switch.  However, I never feel confident messing with holes in the hull.
> It
> > seems like it should be just a matter of unscrewing the screws on the
> > tracks from inside the lazarette, but I'm not sure if there's any
> adhesive
> > or other surprises awaiting us after that...So, if you've ever taken the
> > lift tracks off and have any advice about the process, please send them
> my
> > way!
> >
> > Also, assuming the process goes successfully, we'll have a used electric
> > motor lift to part with - feel free to reach out if that's of interest to
> > you!
> >
> > Happy Spring!
> > Rosie
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 17:33:33 -0400
> > From: John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> > Message-ID:
> >         <CAE70t6_mNQN49ifHW+Hae5T0YQ2Px1dOWoz_1s7=
> > Ro6etXMWcQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> > York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> > interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for
> a
> > new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and
> anticipate
> > a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
> >
> > Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> > be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> > installation issues?
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > John
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 18:05:40 -0400
> > From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> > Message-ID:
> >         <
> > CABbc6O6nAZBB-_EkdzG7xaBvoxk19wt4bH8+13SE7fPnMJZxXQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > The General Boats Parts Department has a variety of Rhodes 22 items and
> > replacement parts available, including new and used sails.
> >
> > You can contact me directly at cindy at cindyspitzer.com or leave me a
> > voicemail at phone number below, and I'll see if we have what you need.
> >
> > Congratulations on what sounds like a nice find at the perfect time.
> >
> > Happy sailing!
> >
> > Cindy Spitzer
> > 443-980-7367
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2025, 5:33?PM John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in
> New
> > > York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a
> clean
> > > interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay
> for
> > a
> > > new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and
> > anticipate
> > > a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my
> questions:
> > >
> > > Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I
> should
> > > be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help
> troubleshooting
> > > installation issues?
> > >
> > > Thanks very much,
> > > John
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 14:04:39 -0400
> > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> > Message-ID: <001601dbb9fa$583718d0$08a54a70$@ebsmed.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Where in NY? Long Island? Do you need help?
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > John Farmer
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2025 5:34 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where to source parts for a project R22?
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I found an R22 for sale that has been sitting in a saltwater slip in New
> > York, unmaintained, for at least 8 years, although pictures show a clean
> > interior and brand new sails in the bag. The seller says he will pay for
> a
> > new bottom paint job. I'm having it inspected before buying, and
> anticipate
> > a bunch of stuff will need to be replaced which leads me to my questions:
> >
> > Is it easy or difficult to source parts? Are there any resources I should
> > be aware of, both for purchasing parts and also for help troubleshooting
> > installation issues?
> >
> > Thanks very much,
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 6 May 2025 14:49:18 -0400
> > From: David Worth <dgworth3 at icloud.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4596, Issue 1
> > Message-ID: <6E2A61F2-1239-4B94-AAE4-DD299A3A8043 at icloud.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> >
> > David Gaston Worth
> > 120 W Lemon St
> > Lititz, PA 17543
> > 717-715-7879
> > dgworth3 at icloud.com
> >
> > > On Feb 19, 2025, at 11:30?PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
> > >    rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >
> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > >
> >
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> > >
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> > > than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
> > >
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >   1. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
> > >   2. Re: Rhodes Sails (Art Czerwonky)
> > >   3. Re: Bottom paint (Michael McKay)
> > >   4. Re: Rhodes Sails (BARRY RUEHLEN)
> > >   5. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
> > >   6. Re: Bottom paint (Michael D. Weisner)
> > >   7. Re: Rhodes Sails (Matt Wilson)
> > >   8. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> > >   9. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
> > >  10. Re: Rhodes Sails (Donald Simons)
> > >  11. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> > >  12. Re: Rhodes Sails (Chris Geankoplis)
> > >  13. Re: Rhodes Sails (Cindy Spitzer)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:31:06 +0000 (UTC)
> > > From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID: <1233443046.674089.1739673066534 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Fellow Skippers,?
> > > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> > Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number
> of
> > boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> > > Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> > >
> > > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> > >
> > >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:14 PM, BARRY RUEHLEN<ruehbl at msn.com> wrote:
> >  Matt,
> > > Yes I did eventually get a centerboard. I just can't tell you the
> > strangeness of the encounter. Delays, excuses, promises, lies. After a
> > couple months I told him to refund my money and I'd be happy to go to him
> > to get it, or send the board and give me a tracking number the following
> > day. I really don't think he's right in the head.
> > > Best,
> > > Barry Ruehlen
> > > SV Perseverance
> > > '86 Rhodes 22
> > > St James City, Fl.
> > >
> > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > > Get Outlook for Android<
> >
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> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 3:23:31 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >
> > > Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > > We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike in
> > ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> > remains my next project.
> > > Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig it out
> > asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely 1984
> > original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and check
> > it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you feel
> you
> > can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I might
> > get distracted from your dilemma.
> > > Here is my email.
> > > ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > > If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > > Ric
> > > Dadventure
> > > HBNY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>
> > >> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>
> > >> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
> unkept,
> > >> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> patient
> > >> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very disappointed
> > in
> > >> how this turned out.
> > >>
> > >> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>
> > >> Matt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> > floated
> > >>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in it's
> > short
> > >>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on a
> > price,
> > >>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers of
> > >>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send you a
> > >>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> 2.".
> > This
> > >>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> is
> > in
> > >>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >>> Get Outlook for Android<
> >
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> > <
> >
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> > >>
> > >>> ________________________________
> > >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> of
> > >>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>
> > >>> I hope your off season is going well.? It won't be long now!? ;)
> > >>>
> > >>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > grateful for
> > >>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> > supplies.
> > >>>
> > >>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>>
> > >>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla parting
> > out
> > >>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.? I reached out to his offer
> > and we
> > >>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.? Once he shipped
> > them
> > >>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of Lees
> > Sails
> > >>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .? The
> > >>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to believe
> > that
> > >>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.? Which leads me
> > to my
> > >>> question.? As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> > would
> > >>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> > those
> > >>> North Sails from him.? I of course would hold him fully responsible
> for
> > >>> this if this was truly the case.? I suppose it's a risk I took
> dealing
> > with
> > >>> a private party.? I have found every other sailor to be 100% helpful
> > and
> > >>> honest.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let me
> > know,
> > >>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > situation.
> > >>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> or
> > >>> 612-770-4531
> > >>>
> > >>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that they
> > would
> > >>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.? I don't have the
> > budget at
> > >>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>>
> > >>> Sincerely,
> > >>> Matt Wilson
> > >>> Hornblower II
> > >>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC)
> > > From: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID: <878631438.681396.1739673386865 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Barry,?
> > > You have a perfect sailing venue,? which you have discovered. Removed
> > from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.? What year boat?
> > > Art?
> > >
> > > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> > >
> > >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:   Fellow Skippers,?
> > > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> > Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number
> of
> > boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.?
> > > Best to you,Art Czerwonky?
> > >
> > > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:19:41 -0500
> > > From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > > Message-ID: <AEA3864E-2383-4DC6-B8C5-9A6B8EB60A3B at gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> > >
> > > If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the
> > cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I
> > have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece
> > and cut it down to size.
> > >
> > > Michael McKay
> > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?PBR,
> > >>
> > >> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
> > only
> > >> way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> > >> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
> > washers
> > >> and nuts holding the cover down.
> > >> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
> to
> > >> replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and reinforce
> the
> > >> block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the entire c/b
> and
> > >> inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both sides at once,
> by
> > >> hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times, I have just
> blocked
> > the
> > >> boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk as I could from below.
> > >>
> > >> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
> > the
> > >> c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the cabin
> to
> > >> remove.
> > >>
> > >> Todd T.
> > >>
> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> > >>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
> the
> > >>>> different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2 coats
> > and
> > >>>> two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> > >>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> > hull
> > >>>> when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
> gallon
> > >>>> bucket.
> > >>>> You should plan on a gallon.
> > >>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
> paint;
> > >>>> Pettit Hydrocoat.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> > >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Roger,
> > >>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> > >>> boat
> > >>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> > walk
> > >>> it
> > >>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
> have
> > >>> her
> > >>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> > to
> > >>>>> sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
> insights
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Peter
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 11:53:03 +0000
> > > From: BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > > To: Art Czerwonky <a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > >    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID:
> > >    <
> >
> BL0PR02MB65315A7DB32E29F7EA412A7CC1FB2 at BL0PR02MB6531.namprd02.prod.outlook.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Art,
> > > Our Rhodes is an 86 model. A neighbor and I bought it about 3 years ago
> > knowing it was somewhat of a project, needing extensive tlc. It turned
> into
> > a complete interior rebuild with dry rot and termites into the stringers.
> > The cockpit deck required new core and nonskid gel repair. We just about
> > had her ready to sail when Ian floated her off the trailer breaking the
> > centerboard and dinging the hull in several spots. That is when we
> > encountered Mike Orla. We decided that after glass repair on the hull, we
> > would not be able to match the red gelcoat. The solution was a new paint
> > job. All of that and more took quite a while. Once we were able to get on
> > the water, we found the motor was not dependable and repowered her. We
> are
> > just now able to sail comfortably even though we still have some minor
> > gelcoat repairs to finish and rewire the breaker panel. The galley
> rebuild
> > and sole repairs are complete. That's a very brief rundown of our
> journey.
> > > She was previously named Crimson Cloud. New name is Perserverance.
> > > Best,
> > > BARRY
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 9:36 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >
> > > Barry,
> > > You have a perfect sailing venue,  which you have discovered. Removed
> > from most of the fleet as I am in Atlanta.  What year boat?
> > > Art
> > >
> > > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> > >
> > >  On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 9:31 PM, Art Czerwonky<a_czerwonky at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:   Fellow Skippers,
> > > I have had similar frustration trying to get a replacement rudder for
> > Mary Jane. Still a mystery. Best of luck in your quest. I made a number
> of
> > boom rooms for our fleet. Never a problem.
> > > Best to you,Art Czerwonky
> > >
> > > Yahoo Mail - Email Simplified
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:33:57 -0500
> > > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > > Message-ID: <003f01db819c$ccc2a070$6647e150$@ebsmed.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > I noticed that Pettit has their annual rebate on bottom paint. I use
> > Hydrocoat which has a $50 rebate.
> > >
> > > The rebate link is:
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pettitpaint.com_rebates&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=M1ql3Q9PChf19Esa-lOfqQgrCFufg7Sv36Z_DUAygOc&e=
> > >
> > > The rebate form is available at:
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__pettitpaint.com_media_5921_pp-2D25066-2Dprotect-2Dand-2Dpropser-2Drebate-2Dflyer.pdf&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=2dcXNex9ruDDIuuCS32Dk-3TDZbJBWarUhKmGjx21E4&e=
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Michael McKay
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:20 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > >
> > > If you do this, you should consider replacing the rubber gasket for the
> > cap while you?re at it.   This forum has threads about that process.  I
> > have some leftover material if anyone needs it?I had to buy a wide piece
> > and cut it down to size.
> > >
> > > Michael McKay
> > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 12, 2025, at 5:51?PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?PBR,
> > >>
> > >> Removing the centerboard from inside by removing the trunk cap is the
> > >> only way to paint the entire centerboard and trunk slot.
> > >> But that is no easy task, as there are a lot of SS ?-20 bolts with
> > >> washers and nuts holding the cover down.
> > >> I pulled mine put that way to address a crack in the trunk cover and
> > >> to replace the c/b pennant line as well as to reconfigure and
> > >> reinforce the block mountings on the c/b. That allowed me to paint the
> > >> entire c/b and inside the trunk slot. I painted the entire c/b, both
> > >> sides at once, by hanging it from a rafter in my garage. Other times,
> > >> I have just blocked the boat and painted as much of the c/b and trunk
> > as I could from below.
> > >>
> > >> The exception to this is if your boat is older; maybe 1975 or earlier,
> > >> the c/b comes out from the bottom and there is no trunk cap in the
> > >> cabin to remove.
> > >>
> > >> Todd T.
> > >>
> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 12:31 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you remove the CB up through the cap while boat is sitting on the
> > >>> trailer to allow painting the board and inside the trunk?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 11:34?AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I must have doe something wrong. I did have to hide a good bit of
> > >>>> the different colored indicator coat underneath and a gallon did 2
> > >>>> coats and two on the rudder blade, but not the centerboard.
> > >>>> I painted the centerboard and trunk with 2 coats and plan to do.the
> > >>>> hull when the weather gets warm, and have barely used any out of the
> > >>>> gallon bucket.
> > >>>> You should plan on a gallon.
> > >>>> I hate to admit it but I just buy the least expensive ablative
> > >>>> paint; Pettit Hydrocoat.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 10:45 PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> > >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Roger,
> > >>>>>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some
> > >>> boat
> > >>>>> stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to
> > >>>>> walk
> > >>> it
> > >>>>> up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I
> > >>>>> have
> > >>> her
> > >>>>> about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room
> > >>>>> to sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or
> > >>>>> insights
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Peter
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:45:15 -0500
> > > From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > > Message-ID: <004201db819e$60a7d7f0$21f787d0$@ebsmed.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Please be very careful when using bottle jacks. I have seen several
> > Rhodes 22 hulls with very round puncture marks in the lower portions. If
> > you insist on jacking the hull up, please distribute the weight over a
> > large area using soft wood blocks. Instead, I use an A-frame made of a
> pair
> > of through bolted 4x4x12s and a come-along to the from lifting hook. Make
> > sure that the block behind the front hook is in good condition and that
> the
> > nuts to the U-bolt are tight.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > ROGER PIHLAJA
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 2:06 AM
> > > To: peter beckerman <recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes Email
> List <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Cc: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bottom paint
> > >
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > It?s important that you prevent the boat stands from shifting.  Unless
> > you are painting on concrete, I always put plywood under the legs to
> > prevent the stands from sinking into the soil or blacktop.  The boat
> stands
> > should also come equipped with chains.  You should use these to secure
> the
> > top of the boat stands together.  As you are lifting and lowering the
> boat,
> > you may find several pieces of 4x6 wood are useful to use as cribbing to
> > support a corner while you reposition the jack.
> > >
> > > Bottom paint is toxic.  Be sure to wear appropriate PPE when you are
> > sanding and painting.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > 1978. Sanford, MI
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 11, 2025, at 10:45?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Hi Roger,
> > >>  I am planning on rolling.  I have a friend that can lend me some boat
> > stands, so I'm planning on using a 10 ton capacity bottle jack to walk it
> > up off the trailer a few inches at a time fore and aft, until I have her
> > about a foot off the bunks.  I'm hoping that'll give me enough room to
> > sand, and roll.  As always, don't be shy with any advice or insights
> > >>
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 11:38:20 -0600
> > > From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID:
> > >    <CANbEFCt2W6caRRn_avVUGBPbqAk+DOFyy2dm=pChsgWgFpWArw at mail.gmail.com
> >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone!
> > >
> > > Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> > > facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> > >
> > > Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> > > somewhere?
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> > >> sails.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Spitzer
> > >> 443-980-7367
> > >>
> > >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > >>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> in
> > >>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild, and
> > >>> remains my next project.
> > >>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > >>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig it
> > out
> > >>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> 1984
> > >>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> > >> check
> > >>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> feel
> > >> you
> > >>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> > might
> > >>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > >>> Here is my email.
> > >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > >>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > >>> Ric
> > >>> Dadventure
> > >>> HBNY
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> > >> unkept,
> > >>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > >> patient
> > >>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> disappointed
> > >> in
> > >>>> how this turned out.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Matt
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> > >>> floated
> > >>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> > >>> short
> > >>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed on
> a
> > >>> price,
> > >>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> of
> > >>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
> you a
> > >>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> > 2.".
> > >>> This
> > >>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard that
> > is
> > >>> in
> > >>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> > >
> > >>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
> > of
> > >>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > >> grateful
> > >>> for
> > >>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> > >>> supplies.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> parting
> > >> out
> > >>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> offer
> > >>> and we
> > >>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he shipped
> > >> them
> > >>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> Lees
> > >>> Sails
> > >>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> > >>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> believe
> > >>> that
> > >>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
> me
> > >> to
> > >>> my
> > >>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation, it
> > >>> would
> > >>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> > >> those
> > >>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully responsible
> > >> for
> > >>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> > dealing
> > >>> with
> > >>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> helpful
> > >> and
> > >>>>> honest.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
> me
> > >>> know,
> > >>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > >>> situation.
> > >>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at mwhornblower at gmail.com
> > or
> > >>>>> 612-770-4531
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> they
> > >>> would
> > >>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> > >>> budget at
> > >>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sincerely,
> > >>>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 15:00:03 -0500
> > > From: Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID:
> > >    <CABbc6O6+TnvHcTyx5w2zkkhkemN2AEdvATSCUiK1oGyeZzMnHQ at mail.gmail.com
> >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> > >
> > > Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of physically
> > > moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> > > parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> > large
> > > and small.
> > >
> > > Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > > better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
> options,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> > > organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> > Stan's
> > > old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> > >
> > > Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > > otherwise busy lives.
> > >
> > > Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> > >
> > > Cindy
> > >
> > > Cindy Spitzer
> > > 443-980-7367
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks everyone!
> > >>
> > >> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> is
> > >> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the website
> > >> somewhere?
> > >>
> > >> Matt
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes 22
> > >>> sails.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy Spitzer
> > >>> 443-980-7367
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > >>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol? Mike
> > in
> > >>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
> and
> > >>>> remains my next project.
> > >>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > >>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
> it
> > >> out
> > >>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> > 1984
> > >>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other   and
> > >>> check
> > >>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> feel
> > >>> you
> > >>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> > >> might
> > >>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > >>>> Here is my email.
> > >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > >>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > >>>> Ric
> > >>>> Dadventure
> > >>>> HBNY
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> > >>> unkept,
> > >>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > >>> patient
> > >>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> > >> disappointed
> > >>> in
> > >>>>> how this turned out.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Matt
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our Rhodes
> > >>>> floated
> > >>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> it's
> > >>>> short
> > >>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
> on a
> > >>>> price,
> > >>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple layers
> > >> of
> > >>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
> you
> > >> a
> > >>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> > >> 2.".
> > >>>> This
> > >>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
> that
> > >> is
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> > >
> > >>>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
> behalf
> > >> of
> > >>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > >>> grateful
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> > >>>> supplies.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> parting
> > >>> out
> > >>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> offer
> > >>>> and we
> > >>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
> shipped
> > >>> them
> > >>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> > >> Lees
> > >>>> Sails
> > >>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> > >>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> believe
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
> me
> > >>> to
> > >>>> my
> > >>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
> it
> > >>>> would
> > >>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and received
> > >>> those
> > >>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
> responsible
> > >>> for
> > >>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> > >> dealing
> > >>>> with
> > >>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> helpful
> > >>> and
> > >>>>>> honest.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
> me
> > >>>> know,
> > >>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > >>>> situation.
> > >>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
> mwhornblower at gmail.com
> > >> or
> > >>>>>> 612-770-4531
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> > >> they
> > >>>> would
> > >>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> > >>>> budget at
> > >>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sincerely,
> > >>>>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 08:23:42 -0600
> > > From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID: <2AD9CD02-0E5D-4F39-B2D7-27F94C538265 at gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> > >
> > > Thanks Cindy!  Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> > need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > > Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> > >>
> > >> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of
> physically
> > >> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> > >> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> > large
> > >> and small.
> > >>
> > >> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > >> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
> options,
> > >> etc.
> > >>
> > >> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> > >>
> > >> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> > >> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> > Stan's
> > >> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> > >>
> > >> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > >> otherwise busy lives.
> > >>
> > >> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> > >>
> > >> Cindy
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Spitzer
> > >> 443-980-7367
> > >>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks everyone!
> > >>>
> > >>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> > is
> > >>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.  Are those sails listed on the
> website
> > >>> somewhere?
> > >>>
> > >>> Matt
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <
> cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes
> 22
> > >>>> sails.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cindy Spitzer
> > >>>> 443-980-7367
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > >>>>> We have spoken about this before.  I bought a IMf mast from ol?
> Mike
> > in
> > >>>>> ?2021 or 22.  That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
> and
> > >>>>> remains my next project.
> > >>>>> Regarding ?another note?,  I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > >>>>> willing to part with.  It is stashed away currently but I will dig
> it
> > >>> out
> > >>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> > 1984
> > >>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other
>  and
> > >>>> check
> > >>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of  whatever you
> > feel
> > >>>> you
> > >>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> > >>> might
> > >>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > >>>>> Here is my email.
> > >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > >>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > >>>>> Ric
> > >>>>> Dadventure
> > >>>>> HBNY
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.  Many promises
> > >>>> unkept,
> > >>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > >>>> patient
> > >>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.  Very
> > >>> disappointed
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> how this turned out.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Matt
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our
> Rhodes
> > >>>>> floated
> > >>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> > it's
> > >>>>> short
> > >>>>>>> journey across our lot. Mike Orla said he had one and we agreed
> on
> > a
> > >>>>> price,
> > >>>>>>> shipped. The saga went on for a couple months with multiple
> layers
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>> weirdness. Such as "Yes I have sent it. Must be lost. Will send
> you
> > >>> a
> > >>>>>>> better one I have. So when the other one gets there you will have
> > >>> 2.".
> > >>>>> This
> > >>>>>>> is just a piece of the story. We did finally get a centerboard
> that
> > >>> is
> > >>>>> in
> > >>>>>>> reasonable shape. It had been repaired, and I made more repairs.
> > >>>>>>> Be very cautious of Mike Orla.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > >>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android<
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__aka.ms_AAb9ysg&d=DwICAg&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=tJhBntQgPgZWibebnrC08A&m=aOrtgtfT7MbQzlMCq3Z4ZknRl7JN2G-j5Pg7_MlGMHckLuWug2IOvvHv9CCTLNxh&s=6pm3J3i_X_Ku69RXk22OSR7CTRO51x-syYW3qXsL1go&e=
> > >
> > >>>>>>> ________________________________
> > >>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
> behalf
> > >>> of
> > >>>>>>> Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 10:22:47 AM
> > >>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I hope your off season is going well.  It won't be long now!  ;)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This list is always incredibly helpful and collaborative. I am
> > >>>> grateful
> > >>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> the level of experience and encouragement this resource regularly
> > >>>>> supplies.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> My current question is unfortunately of a different nature.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Many of you probably remember a guy by the name of Mike Orla
> > parting
> > >>>> out
> > >>>>>>> his father in law's Rhodes on this list.  I reached out to his
> > offer
> > >>>>> and we
> > >>>>>>> agreed on a price for his 2018 set of North Sails.  Once he
> shipped
> > >>>> them
> > >>>>>>> however, it became clear that he sent me a fairly used up set of
> > >>> Lees
> > >>>>> Sails
> > >>>>>>> that almost immediately started coming apart at the seams .  The
> > >>>>>>> ensuing saga (I'll spare you the gory details) has led me to
> > believe
> > >>>>> that
> > >>>>>>> perhaps he was swindling me from the very beginning.  Which leads
> > me
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>> my
> > >>>>>>> question.  As we consider our options to rectify this situation,
> it
> > >>>>> would
> > >>>>>>> be helpful to know if one of you might have purchased and
> received
> > >>>> those
> > >>>>>>> North Sails from him.  I of course would hold him fully
> responsible
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>>>> this if this was truly the case.  I suppose it's a risk I took
> > >>> dealing
> > >>>>> with
> > >>>>>>> a private party.  I have found every other sailor to be 100%
> > helpful
> > >>>> and
> > >>>>>>> honest.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> If you did buy and receive the North Sails and are willing to let
> > me
> > >>>>> know,
> > >>>>>>> that would be very helpful in knowing how best to rectify this
> > >>>>> situation.
> > >>>>>>> Please feel free to contact me privately at
> mwhornblower at gmail.com
> > >>> or
> > >>>>>>> 612-770-4531
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On a related note, if any of you have a genoa in good shape that
> > >>> they
> > >>>>> would
> > >>>>>>> be willing to part with, I would be interested.  I don't have the
> > >>>>> budget at
> > >>>>>>> the moment (two kids in college) to purchase new.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with this less than light hearted email.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Sincerely,
> > >>>>>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>>>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 10
> > > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 01:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
> > > From: Donald Simons <borderfolle at yahoo.com>
> > > To: The Rhodes Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Sails
> > > Message-ID: <1726577370.1252557.1740016574197 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Hi Cindy.? It sounds as though you are undertaking a monumental job.?
> > Thank-you for doing this and for continuing Stan's legacy.
> > > Don Simons,?Old Forge, NY
> > >    On Wednesday, February 19, 2025 at 09:23:59 AM EST, Chris
> Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Cindy!? Hope you and your family are doing well. I?ll check if I
> > need anything once the weather gets out of negative numbers
> > > Chris Geankopli. S/V Xenos
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, Cindy Spitzer <cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Thanks for asking about Rhodes sails availability.
> > >>
> > >> Currently the Rhodes 22 Parts Department is in the middle of
> physically
> > >> moving and systematically inventorying many useful new and used Rhodes
> > >> parts and related equipment, including sails, among many other items,
> > large
> > >> and small.
> > >>
> > >> Once that enormous process is complete, we hope to be able to provide
> > >> better information about what we have in stock, costs, delivery
> options,
> > >> etc.
> > >>
> > >> Ideally, that would also include a searchable list on the website.
> > >>
> > >> In the meantime, while we are working hard to locate, consolidate, and
> > >> organize as much as we can, please direct your specific requests to
> > Stan's
> > >> old email address stan at generalboats.com and we may be able to help.
> > >>
> > >> Please be patient during this transition. We are all volunteers with
> > >> otherwise busy lives.
> > >>
> > >> Spring is coming. Happy sailing!
> > >>
> > >> Cindy
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Spitzer
> > >> 443-980-7367
> > >>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2025, 1:56?PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks everyone!
> > >>>
> > >>> Seems like there is a real pattern of extreme challenge that Mr. Orla
> > is
> > >>> facing. Unfortunately, it?s affected several of us.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy, thanks for the heads up.? Are those sails listed on the
> website
> > >>> somewhere?
> > >>>
> > >>> Matt
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 2:31?PM Cindy Spitzer <
> cindyspitzer at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The general boats parts department has various new and used Rhodes
> 22
> > >>>> sails.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cindy Spitzer
> > >>>> 443-980-7367
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 3:23?PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hey Matt it?s Ric.
> > >>>>> We have spoken about this before.? I bought a IMf mast from ol?
> Mike
> > in
> > >>>>> ?2021 or 22.? That too, was used up, requires a complete rebuild,
> and
> > >>>>> remains my next project.
> > >>>>> Regarding ?another note?,? I happen to have a Genoa that I might be
> > >>>>> willing to part with.? It is stashed away currently but I will dig
> it
> > >>> out
> > >>>>> asap and have a look at it. The Genoa on Dadventure is most likely
> > 1984
> > >>>>> original. It still looks and works fine. Once I find the other? and
> > >>>> check
> > >>>>> it out, I?ll part with one of them for the price of? whatever you
> > feel
> > >>>> you
> > >>>>> can afford. I?m very involved in an addition Reno of my house so I
> > >>> might
> > >>>>> get distracted from your dilemma.
> > >>>>> Here is my email.
> > >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com.
> > >>>>> If I don?t surface again for awhile, give me a shout.
> > >>>>> Ric
> > >>>>> Dadventure
> > >>>>> HBNY
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ?Thanks for sharing Barry,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You did eventually get a centerboard from him?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I have had similar experiences for two years now.? Many promises
> > >>>> unkept,
> > >>>>>> excuses related personal challenges about which I have been very
> > >>>> patient
> > >>>>>> and understanding, but still no sails have arrived.? Very
> > >>> disappointed
> > >>>> in
> > >>>>>> how this turned out.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Any other perspectives would be super helpful.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Matt
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 1:21?PM BARRY RUEHLEN <ruehbl at msn.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I had a very bizarre experience with Mike Orla as well. Our
> Rhodes
> > >>>>> floated
> > >>>>>>> off the trailer in hurricane Ian and snapped the centerboard in
> > it's
> > >>>>> shor
>


-- 
John Farmer
505-400-1574

From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sat May 10 23:52:22 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2025 23:52:22 -0400
Subject: What’s this little thing on top of my mast?
Message-ID: <E1uDxji-0000000CdhR-3QXI@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Hi All,
   I?m looking to add an antenna and an anchor light to the top of my mast. There?s a plate riveted to the mast top, and what looks like a little access hatch held on by three screws.  On mine two of the screws are rusted shut.  My question is:  what is this cover?  Can I just drill out the rivets holding the mast top plate and remove that along with the little cover?

Thanks so much for your help 

Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun May 11 08:58:25 2025
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 12:58:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
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References: <E1uDxji-0000000CdhR-3QXI@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR10MB38364233DBC57FB22E47B5FE8094A@DM6PR10MB3836.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Peter,

I am assuming you have the IMF mainsail, yes?
I?ve never had one apart; but, I would expect there will be some mechanism and bearings under that plate associated with the IMF.  Is there any empty conduit inside an IMF mast to route wires & coax cable?  If there isn?t some sort of built in conduit inside the mast; then, this project is doomed before you even begin.  So, I would check the butt of the mast to see if there?s a conduit built in to the aluminum extrusion before doing anything at the masthead.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI

> On May 10, 2025, at 11:52?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>   I?m looking to add an antenna and an anchor light to the top of my mast. There?s a plate riveted to the mast top, and what looks like a little access hatch held on by three screws.  On mine two of the screws are rusted shut.  My question is:  what is this cover?  Can I just drill out the rivets holding the mast top plate and remove that along with the little cover?
>
> Thanks so much for your help
>
> Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun May 11 09:18:40 2025
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 09:18:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What's this little thing on top of my mast?
Message-ID: <E1uE6Zk-0000000AFnP-1bVj@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

It's been a few years since I've disassembled the mast head, but my recollection is that if you remove the bolt that holds the two upper shroud tangs in place, the whole assembly can be pulled free from the top of the mast.  That would give you full access to to the inside of the mast, and access to both sides of the top plate.  No need to drill out the rivets, or mess with the little round piece.

--Peter


[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]

> On 2025-05-10, at 23:52:22 EDT, peter beckerman wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>    I?m looking to add an antenna and an anchor light to the top of my mast. 
> There?s a plate riveted to the mast top, and what looks like a little access 
> hatch held on by three screws.  On mine two of the screws are rusted shut.  My 
> question is:  what is this cover?  Can I just drill out the rivets holding the 
> mast top plate and remove that along with the little cover? 
> 
> Thanks so much for your help
> 
> Peter
> 
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> 
> 
> <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20250510/e1f50b42/attachment.jpeg" 
> target="_blank">IMG_1396.jpeg</a> 
> 
> <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20250510/e1f50b42/attachment-0001.jpeg" 
> target="_blank">IMG_1397.jpeg</a> 
> 



From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 10:00:45 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 14:00:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
	=?utf-8?q?What=E2=80=99s_this_little_thing_on_top?=
	=?utf-8?q?_of_my_mast=3F?=
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Message-ID: <8951363.256545.1746972045605@mail.yahoo.com>

 Wow, Roger ?doomed from the beginning ?. Thanks for the encouragement. ?
? You are correct in assuming an in mast furler.
That plate could cover some kind of bearing, but it?s off center so I?m thinking maybe not. ?If I understand the furler mechanism, the sail screws into a metal tube ( on mine which is different than some) which sits on a plastic (Teflon?) base with a plastic ?doughnut ? bushing at the top of the mast.The IMF mast extrusion is divided into two compartments. ?The aft compartment houses the
Furler and sail, the forward compartment acts as a conduit for wiring to the top of the mast. ?I was hoping to remove the plate at the top of the mastAnd mount the anchor light on that. ?? ?Hopefully someone with an IMF mast can chime in and illuminate the situation.? ?Seriously though, thanks for the reply. ?I really appreciate all of your insights and advice. ?I don?t know what I?d do without you and all the folks on the forum who have helped me so much.
Sincerely,? ? Peter
    On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 08:58:27 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:  
 
 Peter,

I am assuming you have the IMF mainsail, yes?
I?ve never had one apart; but, I would expect there will be some mechanism and bearings under that plate associated with the IMF.? Is there any empty conduit inside an IMF mast to route wires & coax cable?? If there isn?t some sort of built in conduit inside the mast; then, this project is doomed before you even begin.? So, I would check the butt of the mast to see if there?s a conduit built in to the aluminum extrusion before doing anything at the masthead.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978. Sanford, MI

> On May 10, 2025, at 11:52?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>? I?m looking to add an antenna and an anchor light to the top of my mast. There?s a plate riveted to the mast top, and what looks like a little access hatch held on by three screws.? On mine two of the screws are rusted shut.? My question is:? what is this cover?? Can I just drill out the rivets holding the mast top plate and remove that along with the little cover?
>
> Thanks so much for your help
>
> Peter
>
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 15:43:21 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 15:43:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What's this little thing on top of my mast?
Message-ID: <E1uECa1-0000000FN5h-22EA@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Thanks Peter,
    It would never have occurred to me to go for that bolt.  By any chance, do you recall if there are any little bits that will fall into the mast when I pull that?  Was it any trouble getting it back together?  I?m running late getting my boat in the water this season and I don?t need any surprises.  I wished I?d asked about this two weeks ago 

Peter 

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Sun May 11 16:20:55 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 16:20:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder question
Message-ID: <E1uEDAN-0000000G5aC-0acP@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Hi all ,
   Quick dumb question.  I have my rudder assembly apart so I could re-varnish the three wooden spacers ( newer style rudder).  I?m putting it back together and I can?t remember whether the locking tang on the boat engages the top pintle or the bottom.  I?m thinking it?s the top, but it would suck to find out I?m wrong.  Could someone confirm that for me, that?ll save me a 2 hour round trip to look at the back of my boat

Thanks,
   Peter

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun May 11 16:35:50 2025
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 16:35:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What's this little thing on top of my mast?
Message-ID: <E1uEDOo-0000000GMX1-00N5@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

No little bits to get lost on my rig.  If there are lines running through the sheaves (e.g. the boom topping lift), they'll need to have some slack in them, and you may want to disconnect the top end of the jib furler.  I don't remember there being any surprises in disassembly or reassembly.

--Peter


[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]

> On 2025-05-11, at 15:43:21 EDT, peter beckerman wrote:
>
> Thanks Peter,
>     It would never have occurred to me to go for that bolt.  By any chance, do 
> you recall if there are any little bits that will fall into the mast when I pull 
> that?  Was it any trouble getting it back together?  I?m running late getting my 
> boat in the water this season and I don?t need any surprises.  I wished I?d 
> asked about this two weeks ago 
> 
> Peter
> 
> [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> 
> 



From snstaum at gmail.com  Sun May 11 18:04:58 2025
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 18:04:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]
	=?utf-8?q?What=E2=80=99s_this_little_thing_on_top?=
	=?utf-8?q?_of_my_mast=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <8951363.256545.1746972045605@mail.yahoo.com>
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You should be able to fish a stiff wire through the entire mast. The wire
compartment is separate & mostly clear. You may have to wiggle around the
motor light wires but it should be doable.

Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
s/v Pinafore
Needham, MA


On Sun, May 11, 2025 at 3:59?PM peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>  Wow, Roger ?doomed from the beginning ?. Thanks for the encouragement.
>   You are correct in assuming an in mast furler.
> That plate could cover some kind of bearing, but it?s off center so I?m
> thinking maybe not.  If I understand the furler mechanism, the sail screws
> into a metal tube ( on mine which is different than some) which sits on a
> plastic (Teflon?) base with a plastic ?doughnut ? bushing at the top of the
> mast.The IMF mast extrusion is divided into two compartments.  The aft
> compartment houses the
> Furler and sail, the forward compartment acts as a conduit for wiring to
> the top of the mast.  I was hoping to remove the plate at the top of the
> mastAnd mount the anchor light on that.     Hopefully someone with an IMF
> mast can chime in and illuminate the situation.   Seriously though, thanks
> for the reply.  I really appreciate all of your insights and advice.  I
> don?t know what I?d do without you and all the folks on the forum who have
> helped me so much.
> Sincerely,    Peter
>     On Sunday, May 11, 2025 at 08:58:27 AM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
>  Peter,
>
> I am assuming you have the IMF mainsail, yes?
> I?ve never had one apart; but, I would expect there will be some mechanism
> and bearings under that plate associated with the IMF.  Is there any empty
> conduit inside an IMF mast to route wires & coax cable?  If there isn?t
> some sort of built in conduit inside the mast; then, this project is doomed
> before you even begin.  So, I would check the butt of the mast to see if
> there?s a conduit built in to the aluminum extrusion before doing anything
> at the masthead.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 1978. Sanford, MI
>
> > On May 10, 2025, at 11:52?PM, peter beckerman via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi All,
> >  I?m looking to add an antenna and an anchor light to the top of my
> mast. There?s a plate riveted to the mast top, and what looks like a little
> access hatch held on by three screws.  On mine two of the screws are rusted
> shut.  My question is:  what is this cover?  Can I just drill out the
> rivets holding the mast top plate and remove that along with the little
> cover?
> >
> > Thanks so much for your help
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > [ Sent From rhodes22.net ]
> >
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From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 00:02:35 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 00:02:35 -0400
Subject: What’s this little thing on top of my mast?
Message-ID: <E1uEKN9-00000007lBj-3zHQ@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

Thanks Stephen,
    I?m actually only running power from the steaming light to the anchor light wired polarity reversed and using LED bulbs.  I?m too lazy to run a separate circuit.  If I were more ambitious I?d replace the original wires with something more robust, but there?s always next year (so long as the boat doesn?t burn down due to a faulty wire).

Peter

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 00:05:12 2025
From: recorderguy2001 at yahoo.com (peter beckerman)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 00:05:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What's this little thing on top of my mast?
Message-ID: <E1uEKPg-00000007nhq-2HLh@mi3-ss123.a2hosting.com>

  Peter,
    Hopefully my boat is enough like your boat so I?ll have no surprises.  Thanks again for your insights, wish me luck.

Peter

[ Sent From rhodes22.net ]


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri May 16 20:15:21 2025
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 19:15:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Todd Taveres photos.
Message-ID: <37917EDF-261F-4A04-A3E9-3A430E11A396@gmail.com>

Todd, did you send out an email with a link and the ? phrase, ?do you remember these guys?  or something similar?  It seems phishy. 
Chris Geankoplis 

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Sun May 18 19:33:10 2025
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 19:33:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for Sale
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEmnkXcru8HVGimRy3GwDV1q6Y+iO7i_6TqW0=4kqyjd6A@mail.gmail.com>

https://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/108449

Lee Kuhn
202.669.4154

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun May 18 19:47:57 2025
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 18:47:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for Sale
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEmnkXcru8HVGimRy3GwDV1q6Y+iO7i_6TqW0=4kqyjd6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEmnkXcru8HVGimRy3GwDV1q6Y+iO7i_6TqW0=4kqyjd6A@mail.gmail.com>
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Great looking boat.

Tom Van Heule
Intrinsic Programs


On Sun, May 18, 2025, 6:33 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> https://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/108449
>
> Lee Kuhn
> 202.669.4154
>

From johnfarmer87 at gmail.com  Sun May 18 20:08:48 2025
From: johnfarmer87 at gmail.com (John Farmer)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2025 20:08:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bow pulpit problem
Message-ID: <CAE70t6-SCHHYxPZc=9Na8b0c8RvMuuPKOkcObUCdZHYQTE7PJw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Rhodies,

My town marina has a strict 22-foot maximum length rule, measured from the
aft-most D-rings on the transom to the furthest point at the bow. From what
I understand, the Rhodes 22's bow pulpit adds about 9?12 inches, which
could put me over the limit. I?m exploring ways to reduce the boat?s
effective length when stored at the marina and would really appreciate any
feedback or suggestions on the following ideas:

1. *Remove the bow pulpit entirely* ? Would I regret not having it?

2. *Reposition the pulpit* ? Mount it further aft so that the front edge
aligns with the bow. Not sure if there?s enough clearance for the jib, or
if this is structurally feasible.

3. *Make it retractable* ? Add hinges to the rear supports and a
detachable, lockable pin or bracket for the front. Swing it back when
docked to reduce length.

Open to any other creative solutions as well.

Thanks,
John

-- 
John Farmer
505-400-1574

From cindyspitzer at gmail.com  Mon May 19 07:45:21 2025
From: cindyspitzer at gmail.com (Cindy Spitzer)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 07:45:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bow pulpit problem
In-Reply-To: <CAE70t6-SCHHYxPZc=9Na8b0c8RvMuuPKOkcObUCdZHYQTE7PJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE70t6-SCHHYxPZc=9Na8b0c8RvMuuPKOkcObUCdZHYQTE7PJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABbc6O6qZEjf17EhB_zN3r0B6zOYZqFoKX0jsCkvFnacanc4Gg@mail.gmail.com>

#1 you'd likely regret.
#2 won't work with genoa
#3 could work if made securely stable when in upright position.
Creative!

Cindy Spitzer
443-980-7367

On Mon, May 19, 2025, 7:24?AM John Farmer <johnfarmer87 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Rhodies,
>
> My town marina has a strict 22-foot maximum length rule, measured from the
> aft-most D-rings on the transom to the furthest point at the bow. From what
> I understand, the Rhodes 22's bow pulpit adds about 9?12 inches, which
> could put me over the limit. I?m exploring ways to reduce the boat?s
> effective length when stored at the marina and would really appreciate any
> feedback or suggestions on the following ideas:
>
> 1. *Remove the bow pulpit entirely* ? Would I regret not having it?
>
> 2. *Reposition the pulpit* ? Mount it further aft so that the front edge
> aligns with the bow. Not sure if there?s enough clearance for the jib, or
> if this is structurally feasible.
>
> 3. *Make it retractable* ? Add hinges to the rear supports and a
> detachable, lockable pin or bracket for the front. Swing it back when
> docked to reduce length.
>
> Open to any other creative solutions as well.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> --
> John Farmer
> 505-400-1574
>

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Mon May 19 08:04:01 2025
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 08:04:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for Sale
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY6-5F9aS-Luzhvof_Xzzu4XoyfWtHgk5VDnXTcP04fsng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEmnkXcru8HVGimRy3GwDV1q6Y+iO7i_6TqW0=4kqyjd6A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPgvAEmJ39LfgYUnirB+UTHQUdaWaX3aR4CN7Ufnw7Cp0=pUAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Tom. I love that boat but I'm afraid health issues have ended my
sailing career.

On Sun, May 18, 2025, 7:54 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Great looking boat.
>
> Tom Van Heule
> Intrinsic Programs
>
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2025, 6:33 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > https://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/108449
> >
> > Lee Kuhn
> > 202.669.4154
> >
>

From dsempek64506 at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 08:22:32 2025
From: dsempek64506 at yahoo.com (david sempek)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 12:22:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the core?
References: <1839480314.2073442.1747657352464.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1839480314.2073442.1747657352464@mail.yahoo.com>



I removed the forward windows out of my '76 and this is what I found. Everything in me says this is not normal. I have never had a General boat before. Where is the core?

Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
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From cindyspitzer at gmail.com  Mon May 19 08:40:26 2025
From: cindyspitzer at gmail.com (Cindy Spitzer)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 08:40:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the core?
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The core is different in different locations. For example, the core under
horizontal areas of the deck are plywood. In other locations there is foam
flotation. Around the cabin windows, not much core is needed. I'd say your
nearly 50 year old boat is proof of that.



On Mon, May 19, 2025, 8:29?AM david sempek via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>
>
> I removed the forward windows out of my '76 and this is what I found.
> Everything in me says this is not normal. I have never had a General boat
> before. Where is the core?
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon May 19 08:41:54 2025
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 08:41:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for Sale
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Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjc7ibo28QOaOsxYHwpYyjrkAJthezwQU-VzLzLvm9w7vg@mail.gmail.com>

Gorgeous Boat!!!


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*
*Needham, MA*



On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 8:04?AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Tom. I love that boat but I'm afraid health issues have ended my
> sailing career.
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2025, 7:54 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Great looking boat.
> >
> > Tom Van Heule
> > Intrinsic Programs
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 18, 2025, 6:33 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > https://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/108449
> > >
> > > Lee Kuhn
> > > 202.669.4154
> > >
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon May 19 08:57:53 2025
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 08:57:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the core?
In-Reply-To: <1839480314.2073442.1747657352464@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1839480314.2073442.1747657352464.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMNb6YWVnE_iefHAD++bYRTw0yJro2iagFczVVyaE9eoZA@mail.gmail.com>

There is only coring in the coach roof/cabin top

Todd T

On Mon, May 19, 2025, 8:22 AM david sempek via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>
>
> I removed the forward windows out of my '76 and this is what I found.
> Everything in me says this is not normal. I have never had a General boat
> before. Where is the core?
>
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From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Mon May 19 09:55:25 2025
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Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 09:55:25 -0400
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Theres nothing inside mine either, i think the roof is the only cored part,
i have the same deal.[image: PXL_20240625_202037578.jpg]
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> I removed the forward windows out of my '76 and this is what I found.
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From dsempek64506 at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 09:56:26 2025
From: dsempek64506 at yahoo.com (david sempek)
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 19 09:56:56 2025
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 13:56:56 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the core?
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Hi David,

It's normal for a 1976 Rhodes.  Note the use of wood screws to secure the port vs. thru bolts.  Attached below, is a series of articles from the Rhodes 22 Owner's Group Reference Page.  The last article was written by me in 1988.  Although my article is specifically about upgrading the sternmost fixed ports to opening ports, the techniques described will work for the front ports.  Do what the article says to do and all will be well.  Good Luck!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
1978  Sanford, MI

Opening Portlights
After speaking to the Beckson rep at the Annapolis show last fall I contacted Stan at GB and purchased them from him, $56.00 each and I also sent $10.00 for freight. Same cash type deal as you mentioned earlier. He urged me to not try and replace any but the two most aft due to the compound curvature of the cabin top. You have to look closely but it is there.
Roger, who is a list member, also mailed me a copy of an article he wrote for the class association newsletter outlining his methods for replacement. After a major PITA getting them out, by far the worst part of the job, I cut some treated wood into the thickness and lengths I needed and installed them into the cabin outer and inner wall interstices to give the new hatches a good support foundation. I used white RTV silicone to secure the wood and using the new hatches for a template drilled the holes necessary for the new hatch.
There is an option from Beckson to either use countersunk truss head bolts and silicone the trim ring over top or use flush mount truss head bolts through the trim ring. I chose the latter, thinking it may be easier to remove them if I have to. (I sure hope not) I finished up this past Saturday in the comfort of our tank truck repair garage. The boat has been outside in a miserable steady rain ever since and I'm (extremely) happy to report there are no leaks.
Being an amateur woodworker and very critical of my own work I'll tell you they also look GREAT. Actually "they" is a bit of a misnomer as I only did one at first, to see how it would go. BTW, Beckson will not sell you the 10-24 screws as there are too many sizes for them to stock. I went to a local supply house that we use at work and bought a box of (50) 1-1/2" screws and cut them down to the lengths needed, anywhere from 1-1/8" to 1-1/4" depending on the location of the screw.
Regards
Ralph
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I'm finishing up the opening hatch installation. The only 2 problems I had were getting the old portlights out (took me 2 hours they must have used 10 tubes of RTV each) and getting the correct length of machine screws. I finally wound up buying a box of 1-1/2" screws and cutting them down to size.
Ralph
________________________________
Since you will be forcing the port to make a curve; what I found useful was to tape "match sticks" onto the fiberglass. This way you can force the bend and still not press out all your silicone. Worked for me, anyway.
Steve
________________________________
What I did was to put one thin bead of silicone around the port and let it cure most of the way.
Then I put a good thick bead (or two) of fresh silicone around and set the port in place. The cured bead held the port far enough out so that all of the fresh silicone didn't get squeezed out. I tightened the port down most of the way and let it cure up.
When cured, I tightened it up. That way I didn't have to re-fill the holes from the matchsticks. It seemed to work well, but you have to make sure that the "spacer" bead is cured well enough that it doesn't get squished out.
Doug
________________________________
The opening front & side ports on my 1976 Rhodes 22 were manufactured by Beckson. Specifically, they are Beckson part #: PO512DBS-10, a 5" X 12" Camlock port, 1" spigot, black smoked glass, with insect screen. In October, 1988, Beckson sold me two of these complete port assemblies direct at a cost of about $45.00 each.
Beckson Marine Inc. 165 Holland Ave. PO Box 3336 Bridgeport, CT 06605 203/333-1412
I believe the fixed ports are also Beckson's, although I don't have their part number.
Roger Pihlaja
________________________________
A boat can never have too much ventilation. It's possible to upgrade two of the fixed ports on the Rhodes 22 to opening type ports. Because of the shape and curvature of the sides of the cabin, only the sternmost ports are suitable for this upgrade. Without a set of custom made shims, opening ports in the other four positions would have to tend so much to conform to the curvature of the cabin walls that they would inevitably leak. After two hard sailing seasons, the two opening ports I installed still don't leak a drop. Opening side ports are not a ventilation cure-all. Obviously, they must be secured when the boat is rail down, beating to weather. In addition, wind driven rain or spray will blow in through an open port. However, at anchor or at a dock, the extra ventilation above the port settee and galley makes a significant difference in cabin comfort.
With a boat as beautiful as the Rhodes 22, the appearance of the side ports is very important. It turns out that a black Beckson 5" X 12" camlock port is a very close match to the existing fixed ports in terms of color, size, and shape. Figure 1 shows how the boat looks with the new port installed.
Table 1 gives the parts required for this project:
Table 1
# Required
Part Number
Description
2
P0512DBS-10
5" X 1211 Camlock, Drain, 1" Spigot, Black Smoked Glass, With Insect Screen
1 Pack of 25
BB187-02/25
-24UNC X 1/21' Barrel Nuts, Phillips Head, Nickel Plated Steel
20

10-24UNC X 1-1/4" Round Head Machine Screws, 18/8 Stainless Steel
4

5-1/2" X 1" X 3/4" Pressure Treated Wood
4

15" X 1" X 3/4" Pressure Treated Wood
1 10.3 oz Tube

Dow Corning RTV Silicone Caulk, White
Remove the old ports and clean away any old caulk from the inside and outside of the cabin. Use the outer trim ring from one of the new ports as a template to determine where the opening in the cabin wall will have to be enlarged. Position the trim ring so that it is aligned with the other ports and mark the outer cabin where material must be removed. You may find it convenient to use masking tape to establish a line from the other fixed ports. The safest way to enlarge the hole is with hand wood rasps, round and flat. However, before you start, tape a garbage bag over the port inside the cabin to catch the shavings. Take your time and insert the port in the hole from time to time to check the fit.
When the port fits properly, try to fit the pieces of wood around the hole in between the outer cabin wall and liner. If your boat is like mine, you will find blobs of resin on the backside of the outer wall and liner. These must be removed before the pieces of wood will uniformly fill up the space between the outer wall and liner. A Dremel mototool [tm] is handy here, although the job can also be accomplished with your hand wood rasps. When the pieces of wood will slide in and out with no tight spots, glue them in place with silicone RTV and clamp the whole sandwich together with blocks of wood and C-clamps.
After-the silicone RTV cures use your round wood rasp to clear away the wood in the spigot drain slots. Then, insert the port into the hole. Mark the locations for the through bolts onto the cabin liner. Remove the port and drill 1/4" diameter holes through the liner, wood, and outer cabin wall on these marks. Enlarge the holes through the cabin liner to 5/16 diameter to permit the barrel nuts to fit. Assemble the port dry to check fit and alignment. You are trying to achieve a solid sandwich of outer trim ring, outer cabin wall, wood, inner liner, and port all held together by the thru bolts. You may have to slightly enlarge the holes or trim the machine screw lengths to get everything to fit properly. When you are satisfied, clean the inner liner and outer cabin wall with isopropyl alcohol or acetone, apply silicone RTV, and assemble the port for real.
Even in the sternmost port position, there is still a slight amount of curvature to the cabin walls. It is important not to torque the thru bolts up to the point where you warp the frame of the port as this may cause the port to leak. The best procedure is to lay a straight edge on the frame of the port inside the cabin as you are tightening the thru bolts. Tighten the thru bolts, a little at a time, in a criss-cross pattern. When the ends of the port frame are touching the liner and the remainders of the thru bolts are snug but not so tight as to cause the frame to warp, the port is fully seated. At this point, the middle of the port frame will be not quite touching the liner and the gap will be filled with RTV. If your straight edge shows you have torqued the center thru bolts too much; then, slightly back them off until the frame of the port is straight again. On the outside, the much more flexible trim ring will have bent to uniformly conform itself to the curvature on the side of the cabin. Wipe off the excess RTV, which has squeezed around the inside and outside of the port and you're done!
In October 1988 this project cost me about $150.00 and was accomplished over a weekend.
Beckson Marine sold me the ports and barrel nuts direct. Their address is:
Beckson Marine Inc.
165 Holland Ave.
PO Box 3336
Bridgeport, CT 0660
203/333-1412
I'd be happy to give advice to anyone who tries this project.
Roger K. Pihlaja
5326 Sanford Lake Road
Sanford, MI 48657-9327
989/689-3757 (Home)

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Sent: Monday, May 19, 2025 8:22 AM
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the core?



I removed the forward windows out of my '76 and this is what I found. Everything in me says this is not normal. I have never had a General boat before. Where is the core?

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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon May 19 12:14:04 2025
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 12:14:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the core?
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Hey Phodies:

I hope most of you have splashed your boats by now.
I myself am running late this year. 
My trailer is old, not galvanized and on its last legs. 
I?m hoping I can tow it two miles to the launch ramp and get Dadventure off it before the back-end falls off. 
ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND A REPLACEMENT TRAILER. 
Triad Trailers quoted me $5,355 for a single axel and $6,330 for a duel axel. 
I was hoping to find something for less. 
Ric 
SV Dadventure 
Hampton Bays, NY 


> On May 19, 2025, at 9:56 AM, david sempek via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
C- 516-965-3164




From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 12:59:14 2025
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 16:59:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the core?
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Rick,My galvanized tandem is in Gumlog GA and will be available.??Best to you,Art Czerwonky?S/v Mary Jane?

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  On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 12:14 PM, Ric Stott<ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:   Hey Phodies:

I hope most of you have splashed your boats by now.
I myself am running late this year. 
My trailer is old, not galvanized and on its last legs. 
I?m hoping I can tow it two miles to the launch ramp and get Dadventure off it before the back-end falls off. 
ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND A REPLACEMENT TRAILER. 
Triad Trailers quoted me $5,355 for a single axel and $6,330 for a duel axel. 
I was hoping to find something for less. 
Ric 
SV Dadventure 
Hampton Bays, NY 


> On May 19, 2025, at 9:56 AM, david sempek via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
C- 516-965-3164



  

From dsempek64506 at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 13:30:50 2025
From: dsempek64506 at yahoo.com (david sempek)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 17:30:50 +0000 (UTC)
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From dsempek64506 at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 13:39:20 2025
From: dsempek64506 at yahoo.com (david sempek)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 17:39:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the core?
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This is the '76 Rhoads after a 80% restore. The only thing left was the portholes and the cockpit. The cock pit was completed 2 weeks ago. Just want to do the portholes right or over do them like I do everything else. Thanks for all the input my fellow Rhodies.

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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon May 19 20:54:25 2025
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 20:54:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the core?
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Yes, only the roof has coring.

Todd T.

On Mon, May 19, 2025, 1:54 PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Rick,My galvanized tandem is in Gumlog GA and will be available.  Best to
> you,Art Czerwonky S/v Mary Jane
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>
>   On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 12:14 PM, Ric Stott<ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:   Hey Phodies:
>
> I hope most of you have splashed your boats by now.
> I myself am running late this year.
> My trailer is old, not galvanized and on its last legs.
> I?m hoping I can tow it two miles to the launch ramp and get Dadventure
> off it before the back-end falls off.
> ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND A REPLACEMENT TRAILER.
> Triad Trailers quoted me $5,355 for a single axel and $6,330 for a duel
> axel.
> I was hoping to find something for less.
> Ric
> SV Dadventure
> Hampton Bays, NY
>
>
> > On May 19, 2025, at 9:56 AM, david sempek via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
>
>

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Tue May 20 00:00:45 2025
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 00:00:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail wrap
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I just sent a couple emails with a question about the IMF and received no
response. The issue seems to be that I sent those messages from an email
address that was different from my email that is associated with this list.
So let me try this again.

After 3 years, I'm putting the main sail back on the furler for my IMF
mast. I thought when I rolled this up, it was going to be wound clockwise
looking from the bottom. However, the furler tube has a slot that seems to
suggest I should be winding it counterclockwise as I look at it from the
bottom. I did some searching in the archives and I couldn't find this
information.

Can someone take a look at their IMF mast and tell me if the sail wraps to
the left (port) or the right (starboard), as you stand behind the mast?

Of course, I also removed the furling line so I can't use that as a clue. I
took pictures but not the right ones.

At the very least, can someone please confirm that this message is getting
through?

Thank you,

Mark

>
Boston, MA

2000 R22 *When and If*

From jbuhrmann at gmail.com  Tue May 20 08:47:28 2025
From: jbuhrmann at gmail.com (John Buhrmann)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 08:47:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail wrap
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Hi Mark,
Message received. When looking down on the mast from above, the sail in our
IMF is rolled clockwise. Looking from the bottom it is rolled
counter-clockwise.

Cheers,
John
s/v Calliope
Durham, NC


On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 7:09?AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:

> I just sent a couple emails with a question about the IMF and received no
> response. The issue seems to be that I sent those messages from an email
> address that was different from my email that is associated with this list.
> So let me try this again.
>
> After 3 years, I'm putting the main sail back on the furler for my IMF
> mast. I thought when I rolled this up, it was going to be wound clockwise
> looking from the bottom. However, the furler tube has a slot that seems to
> suggest I should be winding it counterclockwise as I look at it from the
> bottom. I did some searching in the archives and I couldn't find this
> information.
>
> Can someone take a look at their IMF mast and tell me if the sail wraps to
> the left (port) or the right (starboard), as you stand behind the mast?
>
> Of course, I also removed the furling line so I can't use that as a clue. I
> took pictures but not the right ones.
>
> At the very least, can someone please confirm that this message is getting
> through?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark
>
> >
> Boston, MA
>
> 2000 R22 *When and If*
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue May 20 12:02:24 2025
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 12:02:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail wrap
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5AQaBqvzKjtZ5yZTah2gfVF7zMrG9XWXefNcwpsCzNeBzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+WP5ATHLfoUa2rku+jrhP2pr76-1VdZWctDe3gTN3TK1WkSyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+WP5ATmJb=UjV6HSpyBx02aD8Di4466VVPr4skYBo1y4r9S2w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+WP5AQaBqvzKjtZ5yZTah2gfVF7zMrG9XWXefNcwpsCzNeBzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjdrLNpNiaXQrxGDkCJdVr_Ps03ZNDv3XpKFAQrQt7UXbw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes wrapped counter clockwise when viewed from the bottom.
It is hard to get it to wrap if the wind is from the starboard side.


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*
*Needham, MA*



On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 12:09?AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I just sent a couple emails with a question about the IMF and received no
> response. The issue seems to be that I sent those messages from an email
> address that was different from my email that is associated with this list.
> So let me try this again.
>
> After 3 years, I'm putting the main sail back on the furler for my IMF
> mast. I thought when I rolled this up, it was going to be wound clockwise
> looking from the bottom. However, the furler tube has a slot that seems to
> suggest I should be winding it counterclockwise as I look at it from the
> bottom. I did some searching in the archives and I couldn't find this
> information.
>
> Can someone take a look at their IMF mast and tell me if the sail wraps to
> the left (port) or the right (starboard), as you stand behind the mast?
>
> Of course, I also removed the furling line so I can't use that as a clue. I
> took pictures but not the right ones.
>
> At the very least, can someone please confirm that this message is getting
> through?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark
>
> >
> Boston, MA
>
> 2000 R22 *When and If*
>

From kenwood364 at gmail.com  Tue May 20 14:30:47 2025
From: kenwood364 at gmail.com (Kenwood _)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 14:30:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail wrap
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5AQaBqvzKjtZ5yZTah2gfVF7zMrG9XWXefNcwpsCzNeBzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+WP5ATHLfoUa2rku+jrhP2pr76-1VdZWctDe3gTN3TK1WkSyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+WP5ATmJb=UjV6HSpyBx02aD8Di4466VVPr4skYBo1y4r9S2w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+WP5AQaBqvzKjtZ5yZTah2gfVF7zMrG9XWXefNcwpsCzNeBzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABvjUT1c4G3YbdFKRnKo9WyethB9Jx=p43PS4H_cy6Wbk=1qNQ@mail.gmail.com>

When i machined a new face i think i just centered the slot, im not sure
the direction matters too much. Just place the in and out ropes on opposite
sides! It shouldn't matter too much[image: PXL_20240704_201311452.jpg]
[image: PXL_20240617_174724313.jpg]


On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 7:09?AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:

> I just sent a couple emails with a question about the IMF and received no
> response. The issue seems to be that I sent those messages from an email
> address that was different from my email that is associated with this list.
> So let me try this again.
>
> After 3 years, I'm putting the main sail back on the furler for my IMF
> mast. I thought when I rolled this up, it was going to be wound clockwise
> looking from the bottom. However, the furler tube has a slot that seems to
> suggest I should be winding it counterclockwise as I look at it from the
> bottom. I did some searching in the archives and I couldn't find this
> information.
>
> Can someone take a look at their IMF mast and tell me if the sail wraps to
> the left (port) or the right (starboard), as you stand behind the mast?
>
> Of course, I also removed the furling line so I can't use that as a clue. I
> took pictures but not the right ones.
>
> At the very least, can someone please confirm that this message is getting
> through?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Mark
>
> >
> Boston, MA
>
> 2000 R22 *When and If*
>
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