[Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
David Walker
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:05:39 -0400
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Todd,
yes, halfway sounds like a good position.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
Dave,
Thanks for the clarification. One more question comes up though. =
When measuring for new sails... I didn't get any with the boat....when =
measuring the dimension for the luff lenght, where do I measure to? the =
boom at a center point between ist lowest possible position and the =
opening in the sail track? I have got measurement from a few people and =
all are about the same plus or minus a couple of inches. When looking =
for a used sail I was looking in a luff range between these two =
extremes.
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
From: "David Walker"=20
Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
To:=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:21:42 -0400=20
Todd,=20
1. A standard main goes where you put it in general. You raise it on =
the halyard, typically as far as it will go, then pull the goose neck =
down with the downhaul. Within limits if you don't raise it all the way =
you can pull the gooseneck lower. Typically you would reef the foot of =
the sail, leaving the gooseneck where it is. On the IMF the whole sail =
assembly (furling tube and boom) can slide up or down the mast. There =
are two pin positions (one hi for clearance of the pop top and heads in =
the cockpit, the other lower).=20
2. The leading edge of the rudder is forward of the pivot line when it =
is fully down. This makes the rudder a "balanced" rudder, as water =
pressure on the leading edge helps you with steering effort.=20
BTW, lee and weather helm are easy to remember. If you let the tiller =
go and the boat heads into the wind, you have weather helm. If you let =
go and the boat turns away from the wind, you have lee helm. It has no =
bearing on where you are sitting.=20
Dave Walker=20
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From: Toad the Wet Sprocket=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:12 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
David, or Anyone,=20
Again, the newbie has questions. Two questions arose after reading =
your letter.=20
1. My boat is an older model and the goose neck is free =
floating....and has no "position". What method of positioning the boom =
do newer boats have?=20
2. This question is more important because I was going to be making a =
new rudder. The previous owner had made the one on there now. The rudder =
actually pivots down so far that it goes slightly past vertical and =
starts to angle foreward. Is this by design?=20
Todd=20
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com=20
From: "David Walker"=20
Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
To:=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:16:41 -0400=20
Joe, the weather helm you are experiencing is most likely due to the=20
heeling. When the hull heels its geomtry relative to the water changes =
inducing whether helm. The is acutally a good thing, as when the rig =
gets=20
overpowered, the boat will autmatically tend to head up and luff the =
sails.=20
On my boat with moderate wind I can sail the 175 all the way out (full =
main=20
of course) and if I can keep her from heeling too much she is well =
balanced.=20
The amount of wind you can do this in will depend on your "movable=20
balllast". As you reef the jib, you should match with reelfing the =
main.=20
Many on the list will reccomend lowering the boom to the lower =
position as a=20
first reef. This will lower the COE of the main, but as the jib is 2x =
the=20
size of the main, its benefit is small.=20
Obvious, but also check to make sure the rudder is all the way down =
(leading=20
edge actually ahead of the pivot line).=20
Dave Walker=20
SV Windswept=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Ware, Joseph W."=20
To: "List Rhodes (E-mail)"=20
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:55 PM=20
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
> I have an IMF and 175 Genny. Under about 100% Genny the helm is =
balanced.=20
> When the Genny is pulled all the way out, and healing, there is a =
good=20
> amount of weather helm. I have to push the tiller hard to keep her =
going=20
> straight. Is normal, or is my rig set up wrong?=20
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> Joe=20
> S/V Whisper=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Todd,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Balanced=20
Helm</DIV>
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<DIV>
<P>Dave,</P>
<P> Thanks for the clarification. One =
more=20
question comes up though. When measuring for new sails... I =
didn't get=20
any with the boat....when measuring the dimension for the luff lenght, =
where=20
do I measure to? the boom at a center point between ist lowest =
possible=20
position and the opening in the sail track? I have got =
measurement from=20
a few people and all are about the same plus or minus a couple of=20
inches. When looking for a used sail I was looking in a =
luff range=20
between these two extremes.<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV>Please respond to <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">sprocket80@hotmail.com</A></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>From: "David Walker" <DAVID.WALKER5@ATTBI.COM>
<DIV></DIV>Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<DIV></DIV>To: <RHODES22-LIST@RHODES22.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:21:42 -0400=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Todd,=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>1. A standard main goes where you put it in general. You =
raise it=20
on the halyard, typically as far as it will go, then pull the goose =
neck down=20
with the downhaul. Within limits if you don't raise it all the way you =
can=20
pull the gooseneck lower. Typically you would reef the foot of the =
sail,=20
leaving the gooseneck where it is. On the IMF the whole sail assembly =
(furling=20
tube and boom) can slide up or down the mast. There are two pin =
positions (one=20
hi for clearance of the pop top and heads in the cockpit, the other =
lower).=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>2. The leading edge of the rudder is forward of the pivot =
line when=20
it is fully down. This makes the rudder a "balanced" rudder, as water =
pressure=20
on the leading edge helps you with steering effort.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>BTW, lee and weather helm are easy to remember. If you let =
the=20
tiller go and the boat heads into the wind, you have weather helm. If =
you let=20
go and the boat turns away from the wind, you have lee helm. It has no =
bearing=20
on where you are sitting.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Dave Walker=20
<DIV></DIV>----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV></DIV>From: Toad the Wet Sprocket=20
<DIV></DIV>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<DIV></DIV>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:12 AM=20
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>David, or Anyone,=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Again, the newbie has questions. Two questions arose after =
reading=20
your letter.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>1. My boat is an older model and the goose neck is free=20
floating....and has no "position". What method of positioning the boom =
do=20
newer boats have?=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>2. This question is more important because I was going to =
be making=20
a new rudder. The previous owner had made the one on there now. The =
rudder=20
actually pivots down so far that it goes slightly past vertical and =
starts to=20
angle foreward. Is this by design?=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Todd=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>From: "David Walker"=20
<DIV></DIV>Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<DIV></DIV>To:=20
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:16:41 -0400=20
<DIV></DIV>Joe, the weather helm you are experiencing is most likely =
due to=20
the=20
<DIV></DIV>heeling. When the hull heels its geomtry relative to the =
water=20
changes=20
<DIV></DIV>inducing whether helm. The is acutally a good thing, as =
when the=20
rig gets=20
<DIV></DIV>overpowered, the boat will autmatically tend to head up and =
luff=20
the sails.=20
<DIV></DIV>On my boat with moderate wind I can sail the 175 all the =
way out=20
(full main=20
<DIV></DIV>of course) and if I can keep her from heeling too much she =
is well=20
balanced.=20
<DIV></DIV>The amount of wind you can do this in will depend on your =
"movable=20
<DIV></DIV>balllast". As you reef the jib, you should match with =
reelfing the=20
main.=20
<DIV></DIV>Many on the list will reccomend lowering the boom to the =
lower=20
position as a=20
<DIV></DIV>first reef. This will lower the COE of the main, but as the =
jib is=20
2x the=20
<DIV></DIV>size of the main, its benefit is small.=20
<DIV></DIV>Obvious, but also check to make sure the rudder is all the =
way down=20
(leading=20
<DIV></DIV>edge actually ahead of the pivot line).=20
<DIV></DIV>Dave Walker=20
<DIV></DIV>SV Windswept=20
<DIV></DIV>----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV></DIV>From: "Ware, Joseph W."=20
<DIV></DIV>To: "List Rhodes (E-mail)"=20
<DIV></DIV>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:55 PM=20
<DIV></DIV>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm=20
<DIV></DIV>> I have an IMF and 175 Genny. Under about 100% Genny =
the helm=20
is balanced.=20
<DIV></DIV>> When the Genny is pulled all the way out, and healing, =
there=20
is a good=20
<DIV></DIV>> amount of weather helm. I have to push the tiller hard =
to keep=20
her going=20
<DIV></DIV>> straight. Is normal, or is my rig set up wrong?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Joe=20
<DIV></DIV>> S/V Whisper=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
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