[Rhodes22-list] Document library

Michael Meltzer rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:54:27 -0400


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lets see, we are talking about the capitalists systems here, right =
comrade :-)

Charging for information is nominal, like a newspaper is 50 cents(plus =
the adds), buying a book in a story, phone sex, network TV you must =
watch the avd that pay the bills, in my case I charge my clients to for =
answers, I do give dumb looks for free. Are you really saying that we =
should charge your billable rates for advice on the list, I am sure you =
are not going to say the advice here has no value :-), I sure I should =
rig a system with credit cards on file for this, Master Card, visa and =
Amex accept here :-) How far do you want to push this idea :-) And are =
you on a fade diet high amounts of shoe leather :-)

MJM
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Toad the Wet Sprocket=20
  To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 4:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library


       Stan was right on most counts.....but one.   That fact that I got =
my boat as a freebie isn't what conditioned to expect free advice (I =
never asked for any services just prices and literature).  The principle =
that conditioned me to getting a few questions answered and some =
literature is called the American system of free enterprise.=20







  Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com

  From: General Boats=20
  Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library=20
  Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 05:40:52 -0400=20
  Dear Rhodies:=20
  We will try to respond to your thread re some of GBI's policies in an=20
  unconventional manner - a series of e-mails tied to the issue of the=20
  particular Rhodes owner.=20
  Response #3.=20
  Toad:=20
  We agree with Toad in his saying,=20
  > "You are right. I should not have gotten this boat ......"=20
  >=20
  > The Rhodes is a very special boat and the kind of buyers it attracts =

  > are even more special. Not everyone can feel comfortable in this=20
  > enviorn and that is why the god of sailboat manufacturing made =
Hunters=20
  > and Macgregors and Catalinas. And that is why some who only =
recognize=20
  > the differences without owning a Rhodes, like a Razz, do feel=20
  > comfortable in this setting.=20
  >=20
  > Toad says that, "The only reason I have this boat is because it was =
a=20
  > freebie,,," and that has conditioned him to expect not only free=20
  > service but instant free service, even if it should cause poorer=20
  > service to those who have paid for their boats. And we are with =
Toad,=20
  > if only we could be shown the way.=20
  >=20
  > Toad goes on to say, "I downloaded and read the manual for the=20
  > Chrysler...pretty remarkable for a company no longer in business =
huh?"=20
  >=20
  > Let me tell you a little incident about Chrysler. As many of you=20
  > know, we are an amazingly old company for the sailboat busines - 43=20
  > years old. And, an unbelievably small company for our age and the=20
  > noise we make - only 4 new Rhodes last year.=20
  >=20
  > Long after we had been in business Chrysler came along and decided =
to=20
  > go head on with us with a new 22. When Chrysler needed help they =
went=20
  > to the government and got millions to bail them out. I bunked into =
my=20
  > congressman one day and told him I wanted to compalin about a=20
  > discrimiantion issue. He put his arm around me and said, "we can't=20
  > allow that". So I explained that I was being discriminated against=20
  > because I could not get the government to give us money yet they =
gave=20
  > it to another company competing with us building a 22' sailboat. He=20
  > said he voted for that loan because they were big and we were just =
too=20
  > small to be oncerned with.=20
  >=20
  > The Chryslers were nice boats but had some major design flaws and =
they=20
  > were discontinued. If you feel that to be able to get their manual=20
  > free is an asset - for heaven's sake, buy a Chrysler. Our manuals =
are=20
  > also free - just buy a Rhodes.=20
  >=20
  stan/gbi=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>lets see, we are talking about the =
capitalists=20
systems here, right comrade :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Charging for information is nominal, =
like a=20
newspaper is 50 cents(plus the adds), buying a book in a story, phone =
sex,=20
network TV you must watch the avd that pay the bills, in my case I =
charge my=20
clients to&nbsp;for answers, I do give dumb looks for free. Are you =
really=20
saying that we should charge your billable rates for advice on the list, =
I am=20
sure you are not going to say the advice here has no value :-), I sure I =
should=20
rig a system with credit cards on file for this, Master Card, visa and =
Amex=20
accept here :-) How far do you want to push this idea :-) And are you on =
a fade=20
diet high amounts of shoe leather :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dsprocket80@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">Toad the=20
  Wet Sprocket</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
 </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 02, =
2002 4:09=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Document=20
  library</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stan was right on most counts.....but=20
  one.&nbsp;&nbsp; That fact that I got my boat as a freebie isn't what=20
  conditioned to expect free advice (I never asked for any services just =
prices=20
  and literature).&nbsp;&nbsp;The principle that&nbsp;conditioned me to =
getting=20
  a few questions answered and some literature is called the American =
system of=20
  free enterprise.&nbsp;<BR><BR></P></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR>
  <DIV>Please respond to <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">sprocket80@hotmail.com</A></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>From: General Boats <WWRHODES@RHODES22.COM>
  <DIV></DIV>Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  <DIV></DIV>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
  <DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library=20
  <DIV></DIV>Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 05:40:52 -0400=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Dear Rhodies:=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>We will try to respond to your thread re some of GBI's =
policies in=20
  an=20
  <DIV></DIV>unconventional manner - a series of e-mails tied to the =
issue of=20
  the=20
  <DIV></DIV>particular Rhodes owner.=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Response #3.=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>Toad:=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>We agree with Toad in his saying,=20
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; "You are right. I should not have gotten this boat =
......"=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; The Rhodes is a very special boat and the kind of =
buyers it=20
  attracts=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; are even more special. Not everyone can feel =
comfortable in=20
  this=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; enviorn and that is why the god of sailboat =
manufacturing made=20
  Hunters=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; and Macgregors and Catalinas. And that is why some who =
only=20
  recognize=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; the differences without owning a Rhodes, like a Razz, =
do feel=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; comfortable in this setting.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; Toad says that, "The only reason I have this boat is =
because=20
  it was a=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; freebie,,," and that has conditioned him to expect not =
only=20
  free=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; service but instant free service, even if it should =
cause=20
  poorer=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; service to those who have paid for their boats. And we =
are=20
  with Toad,=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; if only we could be shown the way.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; Toad goes on to say, "I downloaded and read the manual =
for the=20

  <DIV></DIV>&gt; Chrysler...pretty remarkable for a company no longer =
in=20
  business huh?"=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; Let me tell you a little incident about Chrysler. As =
many of=20
  you=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; know, we are an amazingly old company for the sailboat =
busines=20
  - 43=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; years old. And, an unbelievably small company for our =
age and=20
  the=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; noise we make - only 4 new Rhodes last year.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; Long after we had been in business Chrysler came along =
and=20
  decided to=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; go head on with us with a new 22. When Chrysler needed =
help=20
  they went=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; to the government and got millions to bail them out. I =
bunked=20
  into my=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; congressman one day and told him I wanted to compalin =
about a=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; discrimiantion issue. He put his arm around me and =
said, "we=20
  can't=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; allow that". So I explained that I was being =
discriminated=20
  against=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; because I could not get the government to give us =
money yet=20
  they gave=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; it to another company competing with us building a 22' =

  sailboat. He=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; said he voted for that loan because they were big and =
we were=20
  just too=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; small to be oncerned with.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; The Chryslers were nice boats but had some major =
design flaws=20
  and they=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; were discontinued. If you feel that to be able to get =
their=20
  manual=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; free is an asset - for heaven's sake, buy a Chrysler. =
Our=20
  manuals are=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; also free - just buy a Rhodes.=20
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;=20
  <DIV></DIV>stan/gbi=20
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