[Rhodes22-list] Toad's WHOLE story as if anybody cares
Michael Meltzer
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:20:46 -0400
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I see you figured out you been had :-),
You seem to be a fan of straight talk or "I call them as I see them", it =
my turn for that.
The list has a collative history:
1)The only people who matter on the list are the posters, In particular =
the who one answer the questions, the luckers(lowest life form), the =
ones who only answer off list(a little higher) the ones who only here to =
answer their questions(a littler higher) then at the top of the food =
chain are the people here day in and day out. extra credit for built up =
a history of doing so. The list would not be here if it was not for =
them.=20
2)We are in the USA(some Canada) and have a right to free association, =
which also includes execution, Just because some body breathes, has the =
money to buy a computer and was able to connect to the internet does not =
mean we have to deal with them or have them on the list. It is a =
privilege not a right. we are all volunteers, unpaid to be here. We are =
also not General Boat, their repair force or sales force, even though we =
care deeply about them.
3)Sailors are a social group, they have to be, You sail from place to =
place counting on the kindness of strangers, it can be a real challenge =
to find a shower, something to eat or parts to fix your boat in a =
strange place, many time you go out of your way to help people you know =
you never see again. You never take a payment for any of it even knowing =
the rules of salvage mean you might own that boat for the help you gave.
4)because we a social we try to keep the tone light, tell jokes, tell =
story about the family, arrange get to get-together and be friends. We =
also try to stay away from pissing contest or "flamewars" with each =
other, in the end their are always hurt feeling and people leave the =
group, Allot of people will think ahead to how their post will be =
responded to and will hold off if they think it will be a problem or =
turn it into a joke, I.e. let is slide.
5)We sometime get "strange" people here, I think it something about =
sailboats that attracts "loners". It a sport that they think they need =
no one else and is "cool". The are aloof, paranoid, hostile, =
overbearing, conspiracy theory and just not people you want to spend the =
day with.
Now for you. Right now you are TFNG(The F**king New Guy). it is ok we =
all have to start somewhere, people are glad to help, it is assumed that =
you will help others in the future, but you are not at the top of the =
pecking order now(see #1). "what ever you want to call the last set of =
post over that last few days"straight talk", "like I see them", "the =
last word", "top dog", whatever, the net effect has been creating a =
hostel atmosphere(see #4), the executes does not matter, it happened. =
The post to rummy and ed could have only lead to a pissing contest(again =
see #4 and #1, I know I defussed it with my post).
Now remember #5, you are showing some signs, like a simple question =
"where do you live" and this is not a conspiracy again you not buying a =
boat from gb or that it is a older boat.
Now the choice is yours, you are a big boy.
1)You can blow this off with "Who The F*** does this Meltzer guy think =
he is" or igore it, it a common reaction, Expert option/prediction the =
group will demand your remove when a pissing contest breaks out. =
Remember you not the first one.
2)Realize That I might have better things to do right now(like sleep), =
Maybe he think is really the joke/or the way I communicate that's =
causing the fiction, might be trying to help, And must think that you =
might be a ok guy otherwise why did he bother. My hope is you have the =
self realization that once you know the problem your be able to =
correct/adjust for it.
BTW is has only pissed you off or your feel the need to debate this with =
me, Spare us both and just sign off, I am who I am, The list is what it =
is, And believe it or not I am being gentle and patient here. Thier have =
been other who I have not tryied to help so hard and built the repuation =
for simply blowing them out of the water.
MJM
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Toad the Wet Sprocket=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Toad's WHOLE story as if anybody cares
Furthermore, recent troubling developments prompt me to revisit a =
subject I've discussed in the past: MJM and his plan to spew forth =
ignorance and prejudice. Let me start by stressing that I am not =
attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean him =
personally for his beliefs or worldviews. But I do think that I must =
comment on a phenomenon that has and will continue to create a =
mudslinging world of guilt and shame. Despite the obvious (which is =
something he chooses to ignore) he is eager to shrink the so-called =
marketplace of ideas down to convenience- store size. There is something =
inherently wrong with a man who wants, more than anything else, to force =
us to do things or take stands against our will, pure and simple. =
Cannibalism has its stronghold among the worst sorts of impudent =
obstinate-types I've ever seen. And I can say that with a clear =
conscience, because one of his favorite tricks is to create a problem =
and then to offer the solution. Naturally, it's always his solutions =
that grant him the freedom to hammer a few more nails into the coffin of =
freedom of speech, never the original problem. A real fight against =
directionless separatism can be undertaken only if a basic change in =
social conditions makes it possible to do something about the continuing =
-- make that the escalating -- effort on MJM's part to let advanced =
verbal weaponry fall into the hands of a few predatory, randy wimps on =
the list. Here, too, the exception proves the rule: The baneful nature =
of MJM's shell games is not just a rumor. It is a fact to which I can =
testify.=20
I don't mean to scare you, but I am entirely shocked and angered by =
MJM's loud, amoral improprieties. Such shameful conduct should never be =
repeated. Although I agree with those who feel that MJM will go to =
almost any extreme to prevent my message of truth from getting out, =
nevertheless, I cannot agree with the subject matter and attitude that =
is woven into every one of his intrusive utterances. He likes thinking =
thoughts that aren't burdensome and that feel good. That's why some of =
the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they certainly =
are. However, he has been trying for some time to convince people that =
we should all bear the brunt of his actions. Don't believe his hype! MJM =
has just been offering that line as a means to sanctify his depravity. =
The bulk of mindless, soulless smut peddlers are at least marginally =
tolerable, but not MJM. Maybe quicker than you can double-check the =
spelling of "sphygmomanometric", he will shred the basic compact between =
the people and the list.. Discourteous predictions aside, this would not =
be an impossible scenario if his obscene jibes were to gain ascendancy =
in our society. Let me leave you with one last thought: The truth is not =
meant to be warm and fuzzy.=20
Long enough?
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
From: "Toad the Wet Sprocket"=20
Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Toad's WHOLE story as if anybody cares=20
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:45:54 -0400=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I see you figured out you been had=20
:-),</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You seem to be a fan of straight talk =
or "I call=20
them as I see them", it my turn for that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The list has a collative =
history:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1)The only people who matter on the =
list are the=20
posters, In particular the who one answer the questions, the =
luckers(lowest=20
life form), the ones who only answer off list(a little higher) the ones =
who only=20
here to answer their questions(a littler higher) then at the top of the =
food=20
chain are the people here day in and day out. extra credit for built up =
a=20
history of doing so. The list would not be here if it was not for them.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2)We are in the USA(some Canada) and =
have a right=20
to free association, which also includes execution, Just because some =
body=20
breathes, has the money to buy a computer and was able to connect =
to the=20
internet does not mean we have to deal with them or have them on the =
list. It is=20
a privilege not a right. we are all volunteers, unpaid to be here. We =
are also=20
not General Boat, their repair force or sales force, even though we care =
deeply=20
about them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3)Sailors are a social group, they have =
to be, You=20
sail from place to place counting on the kindness of strangers, it can =
be a real=20
challenge to find a shower, something to eat or parts to fix your boat =
in a=20
strange place, many time you go out of your way to help people you know =
you=20
never see again. You never take a payment for any of it even knowing the =
rules=20
of salvage mean you might own that boat for the help you =
gave.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4)because we a social we try to keep =
the tone=20
light, tell jokes, tell story about the family, arrange get to =
get-together and=20
be friends. We also try to stay away from pissing contest or "flamewars" =
with=20
each other, in the end their are always hurt feeling and people leave =
the group,=20
Allot of people will think ahead to how their post will be responded to =
and will=20
hold off if they think it will be a problem or turn it into a joke, I.e. =
let is=20
slide.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5)We sometime get "strange" =
people here, I=20
think it something about sailboats that attracts "loners". It a sport =
that they=20
think they need no one else and is "cool". The are aloof, paranoid, =
hostile,=20
overbearing, conspiracy theory and just not people you want to spend the =
day=20
with.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now for you. Right now you are TFNG(The =
F**king New=20
Guy). it is ok we all have to start somewhere, people are glad to help, =
it is=20
assumed that you will help others in the future, but you are not at the =
top of=20
the pecking order now(see #1). "what ever you want to call the last =
set of=20
post over that last few days"straight talk", "like I see them", "the =
last=20
word", "top dog", whatever, the net effect has been creating a =
hostel=20
atmosphere(see #4), the executes does not matter, it happened. The post =
to rummy=20
and ed could have only lead to a pissing contest(again see #4 and #1, I =
know I=20
defussed it with my post).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now remember #5, you are showing some =
signs, like a=20
simple question "where do you live" and this is not =
a conspiracy =20
again you not buying a boat from gb or that it is a older =
boat.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now the choice is yours, you are a big=20
boy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1)You can blow this off with "Who The =
F*** does=20
this Meltzer guy think he is" or igore it, it a common reaction, Expert=20
option/prediction the group will demand your remove when a pissing =
contest=20
breaks out. Remember you not the first one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2)Realize That I might have better =
things to do=20
right now(like sleep), Maybe he think is really the joke/or the way I=20
communicate that's causing the fiction, might be trying to help, =
And must=20
think that you might be a ok guy otherwise why did he bother. My hope is =
you=20
have the self realization that once you know the problem your be able to =
correct/adjust for it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW is has only pissed you off or your =
feel the=20
need to debate this with me, Spare us both and just sign off, I am who I =
am, The=20
list is what it is, And believe it or not I am being gentle and patient =
here.=20
Thier have been other who I have not tryied to help so hard and built =
the=20
repuation for simply blowing them out of the water.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsprocket80@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">Toad the=20
Wet Sprocket</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 03, =
2002 11:25=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Toad's WHOLE=20
story as if anybody cares</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P> Furthermore, recent troubling developments =
prompt=20
me to revisit a subject I've discussed in the past: MJM and his plan =
to spew=20
forth ignorance and prejudice. Let me start by stressing that I am not =
attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean =
him=20
personally for his beliefs or worldviews. But I do think that I must =
comment=20
on a phenomenon that has and will continue to create a mudslinging =
world of=20
guilt and shame. Despite the obvious (which is something he chooses to =
ignore)=20
he is eager to shrink the so-called marketplace of ideas down to =
convenience-=20
store size. There is something inherently wrong with a man who wants, =
more=20
than anything else, to force us to do things or take stands against =
our will,=20
pure and simple. Cannibalism has its stronghold among the worst sorts =
of=20
impudent obstinate-types I've ever seen. And I can say that with a =
clear=20
conscience, because one of his favorite tricks is to create a problem =
and then=20
to offer the solution. Naturally, it's always his solutions that grant =
him the=20
freedom to hammer a few more nails into the coffin of freedom of =
speech, never=20
the original problem. A real fight against directionless separatism =
can be=20
undertaken only if a basic change in social conditions makes it =
possible to do=20
something about the continuing -- make that the escalating -- effort =
on MJM's=20
part to let advanced verbal weaponry fall into the hands of a few =
predatory, randy wimps on the list. Here, too, the exception proves =
the rule:=20
The baneful nature of MJM's shell games is not just a rumor. It is a =
fact to=20
which I can testify. </P>
<P><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; =
mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; =
mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">I=20
don't mean to scare you, but I am entirely shocked and angered by =
MJM's <SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>loud, amoral improprieties. =
Such=20
shameful conduct should never be repeated. Although I agree with those =
who=20
feel that MJM will go to almost any extreme to prevent my message of =
truth=20
from getting out, nevertheless, I cannot agree with the subject matter =
and=20
attitude that is woven into every one of his intrusive utterances. He =
likes=20
thinking thoughts that aren't burdensome and that feel good. That's =
why some=20
of the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they =
certainly are.=20
However, he has been trying for some time to convince people that we =
should=20
all bear the brunt of his actions. Don't believe his hype! MJM has =
just been=20
offering that line as a means to sanctify his depravity. The bulk of =
mindless,=20
soulless smut peddlers are at least marginally tolerable, but not MJM. =
Maybe=20
quicker than you can double-check the spelling of "sphygmomanometric", =
he will=20
shred the basic compact between the people and the list.. Discourteous =
predictions aside, this would not be an impossible scenario if his =
obscene=20
jibes were to gain ascendancy in our society. Let me leave you with =
one last=20
thought: The truth is not meant to be warm and fuzzy.=20
</SPAN><BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><BR>Long enough?<BR><BR>
<DIV>Please respond to <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">sprocket80@hotmail.com</A></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>From: "Toad the Wet Sprocket" <SPROCKET80@HOTMAIL.COM>
<DIV></DIV>Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<DIV></DIV>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Toad's WHOLE story as if =
anybody cares=20
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:45:54 -0400=20
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