[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
Roger Pihlaja
cen09402@centurytel.net
Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:07:03 -0400
Bill,
OK, I grant you that multihulls do tend to be more expensive than monohulls.
But, good multihulls have been around long enough that you might be able to
find a used one just a bit older than you were considering in a monohull for
about the same money.
What if:
The civility & level sailing of a cruising cat allowed the Admiral to
appreciate the other aspects of cruising under sail so much that she became
far more interested in sailing - say to the point of wanting to be a world
cruiser or even a circumnavigator when you retire? Isn't it really a
question of priorities? If you both wanted to go cruising, then couldn't
you do it?
You were saying something about chartering a sailboat in the Chesapeake Bay
next summer. Another way to go at this might be to try to charter a
multihull the next time. Even if it was a little more expensive to charter
than a monohull, it would allow both of you to experience what these boats
are really like.
Just something to think about. I'll butt out & mind my own business now.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Berner" <dblbld@attglobal.net>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
> Roger -
>
> A cruising cat would certainly fix the problem of heeling with the
> Admiral, and I'd love the speed as well.
>
> However, it would create a new much more significant problem. If I
> spent the kind of money that I think would be req'd, it wouldn't matter
> how little the boat heeled because I would be single.
>
> Thanks
>
> BB
>
> Bill Berner
> 191 South Broadway
> Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
>
> v 914 478 2896
> f 914 478 3856
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:35 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
>
> Bill,
>
> I really enjoyed your story. The trouble with using someone else's boat
> whether you are chartering or just borrowing, it that if something
> doesn't
> work properly, it can take forever to figure out what's wrong. Then,
> just
> like in your story, if you can't get repair parts in some remote area,
> you
> are just stuck. Did the charter owner ever get back on you re the fire
> damage?
>
> I know what you mean re the royal PITA of having to shift stuff around
> in
> the R-22's cabin every time you want to get into a locker or make up the
> bunk. All the frogging around probably adds 30 - 45 minutes to the
> routine
> at the beginning & end of every day. When my wife is on board, we all
> just
> put up with it. However, when I wilderness cruise with my sons, we have
> pretty much stopped overnighting at marinas or at anchor. As much as
> possible, we use our Rhodes 22 to get to some remote spot & then beach
> camp.
> We will still stay on the boat if there is no good place to camp ashore
> & we
> use the boat as a varmint-proof place to store our food & carry potable
> water. But, we all enjoy backpacking & there is so much more room
> ashore.
>
> If the "Admiral" is frightened of heeling, then you might consider a
> cruising catamaran instead of a bigger monohull. The last couple of
> years,
> I've been sailing quite a bit on a friend's 42' long custom catamaran
> out on
> Lake Huron. You might recall this was the boat that I helped initially
> inspect at the Edison Yacht Club on the Detroit River. Over the next
> year,
> I helped him repair & then launch the boat. The last two seasons, the
> boat
> has been at Jerry's Marina on Tawas Bay. Next year, my friend has
> leased a
> slip as well as a winter storage deal over at Pentwater on Lake
> Michigan.
> Sometime in the next couple of weeks, I'll probably help him sail it
> about
> 300 nm around the "Tip Of The Mitt" to its new home, a 3-4 day trip.
> One of
> the things that impresses me every time we go out on the catamaran is
> the
> effortless manner in which it can achieve 8-10 knots. The thing just
> sails
> along, nearly level, no muss, no fuss. You look at the knotmeter, see
> 10
> knots, & think, "No way!" Then you look behind at the twin roostertails
> coming off the hulls, & think, "Wow!" The long narrow hulls slice thru
> waves much better than a similar sized monohull & you get much less of
> the
> pitching & rolling we are all so familiar with. When running with a
> following or stern quartering sea, the boat is moving at or sometimes
> even
> faster than the waves. So, you don't get as much of that odd
> "corkscrewing"
> motion that causes so many people to get seasick. It tacks thru 90 deg
> &
> goes to weather as well as any similar sized cruising boat. But, you do
> need good tacking technique, especially in light air or the boat can end
> up
> in irons. Of course, once the point of sail moves more downwind than a
> beam
> reach, the boat just screams! Gibing downwind is really fun. With the
> daggerboards raised, the draft is only about 3'. The draft is about 8'
> with
> the boards down. I don't know how well it would do against a lobster
> pot.
> There are no apertures or shafts to snag a line on. The outboards &
> daggerboards can be raised. Snagging one of the twin rudder blades
> might be
> a problem. With twin 10 hp outboard engines, set well apart in the
> hulls,
> the boat can be spun around in nearly her own length. But, with a 23'
> beam,
> I will admit that docking is a little intimidating - sort of like
> parking
> your deck. In most marinas on the Great Lakes, the only place you can
> get a
> "slip" is on the end of the pier or up against a wharf. We anchor out a
> lot
> more with the catamaran than you would with a similar sized monohull.
> The
> other nice thing about the lack of heeling, pitching, & rolling is the
> sort
> of galley & dining room table that becomes possible. The stove & oven
> don't
> need any sort of gimbals & cooking underway is much safer. The entire
> bridgedeck between the hulls has the galley & table. It's open & airy
> with
> large fixed & opening ports. It becomes the focus of life aboard during
> the
> day. Privacy is also much better than in a monohull. You & the Admiral
> could have your cabin in one hull & your children could be in the other
> hull. It's all extremely civilized. You & the Admiral should check out
> a
> cruising cat at a boat show. Try to get a test sail. I'll bet the
> Admiral
> will be hooked.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Berner" <dblbld@attglobal.net>
> To: "'Ed Kroposki'" <kroposki@innova.net>; "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
> <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
>
>
> > Every time we cruise as a family (Me, Admiral, 14 yr. old girl, 11 yr.
> > old boy), which we are doing more and more of, we finish the cruise
> > feeling that we need something larger.
> >
> > I love the boat, but even when I was alone on it for the 2 days and
> > nights, I got tired of making up the setee into a bed each night and
> > converting it again in the morning. I would also really like to have
> > standing headroom throughout the cabin.
> >
> > Looking in the 30-32' range. Probably the obvious choice (Catalina)
> or
> > perhaps O'Day. Possibly a Nonnsuch if I could find a great deal.
> > Definitely want a early to mid 80's family cruiser rather than racer
> > cruiser. The Admiral is white knuckled about heeling.
> >
> > Bill Berner
> > 191 South Broadway
> > Hastings on Hudson, NY 10706
> >
> > v 914 478 2896
> > f 914 478 3856
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ed Kroposki
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 11:42 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
> >
> > Bill:
> > Why? 4 sale?
> > Ed K
> >
> >
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