[Rhodes22-list] Sails!

John Tonjes johntonjes at earthlink.net
Fri Apr 18 11:05:09 EDT 2003 

Wally,
Lake Hartwell is called a lake, but it's not very wide in the area where we
sail. I have the 175 as you know and others have purchased the 175 upon my
recommendation and I haven't been stoned....yet. The trick to running in
heavier air with the 175 is to furl it and bring the sheets inside the
outer shrouds. I have a track that runs alongside the cabin and a car which
I can feed the sheet through and get the proper downward tension for better
sail shape.
As others have stated before, the first reef should be to lower the pop top
and the boom. It works wonders and often will make furling the genny
unnecessary.
Capt. Bob Keller (Yankee Clipper) just returned from a trip down Florida
way where they had some strong winds on the ocean. He said instead of
furling the genny, he simply lowered the boom and went along without
getting knocked down or struggling. He was surprised the difference it
made. I think that sometimes we get spoiled with the convenience of having
the pop top up. It makes for easy use of the cabin. In the future, lowering
the top and the boom will always be my first reef. It might even work well
for racers.

Rummy





> [Original Message]
> From: Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: 4/18/2003 8:14:55 AM
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sails!
>
> Rummy,
>
> Well maybe I should give the 175 more consideration. I would think a 
> spinnaker or UPS would be faster downwind than the 175. If I am solo 
> spinnaker sets are out but the UPS sounds nice. I am concerned about 
> pointing ability with the 175. Keep in mind I sail on a river. If I can't 
> point I am just sailing back and forth from bank to bank making little or
no 
> progress. Toss in conditions when the current is up heading upwind and 
> upriver can be real tough.
>
>
> I need for business to pick up before I purchase so it may be a while
before 
> I buy anything.
>
> Wally
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "John Tonjes" <johntonjes at earthlink.net>
> >Reply-To: johntonjes at earthlink.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:12:21 -0400
> >
> >Furling? What's furling?
> >
> >Seriously, I can keep the genny out up to approximately 10 to 12 knott
> >winds when I am solo sailing. Now, that's as you asked, without losing
> >speed due to excessive heeling. Any additional ballast (crew) raises 
that
> >wind speed. You would be amazed at how much difference a couple of
hundred
> >pounds on the rail makes. Going wing on wing with the 175 and a whisker
> >pole with a preventer is a real experience at any wind speed.
> >
> >Rummy
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Date: 4/17/2003 3:48:49 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > >
> > > Rummy,
> > >
> > > I am considering a new genny but I wasn't sure if I would be happy
with
> >the
> > > 175 except in really light winds. I am waiting for feedback on the UPS
> >sail
> > > to see how people compare it to the 175.  I know you love your 175. At
> >what
> > > wind speed (when solo) do you need to start furling the 175 to keep
the
> >boat
> > > from excessive heel and loss of speed?
> > >
> > > One nice thing about the 125 is it fits perfectly inside the upper 
> >shroud
> > > and stops just short of the spreader. I can point much higher with
this
> >sail
> > > than my old 150 furled. I would think the difference would be even
more
> > > noticeable with the 175.
> > >
> > > My Harken Furler does allow much better sail shape than the GB furler.
> >Plus
> > > sail changes are pretty easy. I am not in a rush but at some point I
> >would
> > > like to add a second headsail. I just need to figure out which one
would
> >be
> > > the most versatile.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "John Tonjes" <johntonjes at earthlink.net>
> > > >Reply-To: johntonjes at earthlink.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:59:31 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Wally,
> > > >Really throw the ratings for a loop and get a 175 genoa. :)
> > > >
> > > >Rummy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > From: Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Date: 4/17/2003 2:32:11 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob,
> > > > >
> > > > > I hear you on the vang. It will help a lot going upwind. With any
> >luck I
> > > >can
> > > > > convert the one from my Bantam to the R22. I really don't need
> >anything
> > > > > fancy. If I can convince a friend to crew I will fly spinnaker
down
> > > >wind.
> > > >My
> > > > > boat is not rigged for racing. I have IMF and a 125 jib. I have an
> >older
> > > >150
> > > > > but the 125 is one year old and is much faster than the 18 year
old
> >150.
> > > >One
> > > > > thing that will help me is that river racing requires a lot of
> >tacking.
> > > >Most
> > > > > of the bigger boats race short handed so I am hoping I can use
that
> >to
> > > >my
> > > > > advantage.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And yes the fee includes a bunch of parties and dinners. In fact 
> >they
> > > >spend
> > > > > everything on parties and cheap trophies. They have a Christmas 
> >light
> > > >parade
> > > > > and dinner party that is supposed to be a bunch of fun. The Club
> >house
> > > >is
> > > >a
> > > > > house right next to the marina. There is usually people in
hanging 
> >out
> > > > > watching the game or enjoying a drink (BYOB) on the weekend. I 
> >really
> > > >wasn't
> > > > > interested in joining but they seemed like such a nice group of 
> >folks
> > > >that I
> > > > > am now looking forward to it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding the 325 PHRF, I am not sure if I can sell them on that.
> >There
> > > >are
> > > > > about four or five boats in the 22 - 25 range that race. There
are 
> >two
> > > > > Compaq 23s and an Oday 222 that race. In spite of my non racing
rig
> >pass
> > > > > them all of the time. It will be hard to get anything slower than 
> >they
> > > >get.
> > > > > I have passed the Catalina 25 heading upwind a couple of times. I 
> >will
> > > >let
> > > > > you know what they stick me with.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wally
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Bob Weber" <ruba1811 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:33:15 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Wally, You do need a boom vang for sail shape for anything from a
> >beam
> > > > > >reach on down.  I have a standard main and it gets a lot of
twist 
> >on
> > > > > >anything more than a close reach.  Congrats on the
Yaaaaaaaaaaaacht
> > > >Club
> > > >!
> > > > > >Hopefully the fee includes a few parties.   My entry fee was 30$ 
> >and
> > > > > >includes about 8 parties.  We are not as exclusive in MO.  Also
you
> > > >will
> > > > > >want a wisker pole for the downwind leg.  Good luck - Make us
proud 
> >-
> > > >don't
> > > > > >lower our PHRF though.  Got a 325 this year.  I can run the
course
> >the
> > > >next
> > > > > >day and still have a shot at winning :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Bob Weber
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > > > > >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > > > >>Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:58:50 -0400
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>It has been a little more than a year since I slipped my R22 at 
> >Blue
> > > > > >>Springs Marina. Several of the Yacht Club members have asked me
to
> > > >join
> > > > > >>the yacht club but I never got around to it. Well last weekend 
> >they
> > > >had
> > > >a
> > > > > >>party that I attended. I finally decided to join Horizon Yacht
> >Club.
> > > >It
> > > >is
> > > > > >>very swanky, expensive, and quite exclusive (not really it is in
> >TN!)
> > > >and
> > > > > >>I needed to find a sponsor. After much controversy I was voted
in. 
> >I
> > > >only
> > > > > >>need to come up with the steep yearly dues. After writing  the
> >Purser
> > > >a
> > > > > >>check for $150 it was official.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Link to Blue Springs -
> > > > > >>http://www.bluespringsmarina.com/
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I was quite proud to learn that my boat is considered to be one
of
> >the
> > > > > >>most sailed boats in the marina. They race the first Saturday of
> >every
> > > > > >>month and have regattas with other clubs in the area. There are
> > > >several
> > > > > >>that are serious (J24 & J80) but most are just looking for fun.
> >Most
> > > >of
> > > > > >>the boats are in the 27 to 35 foot range and usually don’t have
a
> >full
> > > > > >>crew. It is usally about 10 boats total, not a big group.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>So I need to get a boom vang to improve sail shape. I am
thinking 
> >of
> > > >using
> > > > > >>the same bail that was provided by GB for mast hoist. I can
attach
> >the
> > > > > >>bail at the bottom of the mast. I am going to experiment using
the
> > > >vang
> > > >I
> > > > > >>made for my Bantam.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Wally
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
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