[Rhodes22-list] Sails!

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 18 12:45:25 EDT 2003 

Mark,

Good info, thanks.

Wally






>From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sails!
>Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:12:12 -0400
>
>Wally,
>
>I need to do some comparisons between the UPS and the 175% on various 
>points
>of sail and in various wind conditions to be able to tell you which works
>better when. I can say, however, that the UPS definitely goes to wind 
>better
>than our asymmetric and definitely not as well as the 175%. We've got the
>CDI furler and try to make the decision which headsail we're going to use
>before we leave the dock.
>
>BTW - we, too, are able to point higher with the 135% (new this year) than
>with the 175%.
>
>We were out for about 4 hours Wed. in winds of 8-12 mph gusting to 16. We
>only used the UPS on the downwind parts of the sail and used the 135%
>upwind. We tried running the UPS sheets through the Genoa leads on one run,
>then we tried running them through blocks snap shackled to the aft cleats 
>on
>another run. Julie was trimming the sail and said it was shaped better 
>using
>the aft blocks. Seems like in heavier wind, it did better on the aft 
>blocks,
>and in lighter wind it did better in the genoa leads - less slatting
>movement at the tack. In both cases we had much more success jibing down 
>the
>lake than running straight downwind. We tried wing-on-wing just to see if
>the sail would be able to handle it - it did, but performance suffered.
>
>We messed around a bit w/ trying to unfurl the UPS before furling the
>headsail to see if we could. No luck so far, though. The UPS bellies out
>considerably further than the 135% we were using and, when you maintain any
>tension on the sheet to get a nice roll, the UPS wants to get rolled up 
>with
>the genoa.
>
>We also tried deploying the genoa before we furled the UPS without too much
>success. I think we may have to furl one sail before we can unfurl the
>other. I'm waiting for a fixed bail snap shackle to arrive so I can resolve
>the furling line wrap problem I mentioned in an earlier post. Once that's
>installed, I expect we'll be able to knock the time required for furling 
>and
>deployment down to a reasonably acceptable minimum.
>
>Mark
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 9:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sails!
>
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > That doesn't surprise me considering the cut of the sails. I wouldn't 
>get
> > the UPS for pointing. When heading upwind I would use my exisitng 125 
>and
> > furl the UPS.
> >
> > I guess what I am really considering is a 150 or 155 vs. the 175. I
> > mentioned the UPS because Rummy said the 175 was great going down wind. 
>If
> > one wants a great downwind sail I think they would be better off with
> > spinnaker or UPS.
> >
> > The subject only came up because I am going to start racing my R22. If I
> > wasn't racing I would stick with what I have.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:03:31 -0400
> > >
> > >Wally,
> > >
> > >I can tell you right now that the UPS won't point as high as the 175%.
> > >
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 4:48 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > >
> > >
> > > > Rummy,
> > > >
> > > > I am considering a new genny but I wasn't sure if I would be happy
>with
> > >the
> > > > 175 except in really light winds. I am waiting for feedback on the 
>UPS
> > >sail
> > > > to see how people compare it to the 175.  I know you love your 175. 
>At
> > >what
> > > > wind speed (when solo) do you need to start furling the 175 to keep
>the
> > >boat
> > > > from excessive heel and loss of speed?
> > > >
> > > > One nice thing about the 125 is it fits perfectly inside the upper
> > >shroud
> > > > and stops just short of the spreader. I can point much higher with
>this
> > >sail
> > > > than my old 150 furled. I would think the difference would be even
>more
> > > > noticeable with the 175.
> > > >
> > > > My Harken Furler does allow much better sail shape than the GB 
>furler.
> > >Plus
> > > > sail changes are pretty easy. I am not in a rush but at some point I
> > >would
> > > > like to add a second headsail. I just need to figure out which one
>would
> > >be
> > > > the most versatile.
> > > >
> > > > Wally
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "John Tonjes" <johntonjes at earthlink.net>
> > > > >Reply-To: johntonjes at earthlink.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > > >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:59:31 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >Wally,
> > > > >Really throw the ratings for a loop and get a 175 genoa. :)
> > > > >
> > > > >Rummy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > [Original Message]
> > > > > > From: Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > Date: 4/17/2003 2:32:11 PM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bob,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hear you on the vang. It will help a lot going upwind. With 
>any
> > >luck
> > >I
> > > > >can
> > > > > > convert the one from my Bantam to the R22. I really don't need
> > >anything
> > > > > > fancy. If I can convince a friend to crew I will fly spinnaker
>down
> > > > >wind.
> > > > >My
> > > > > > boat is not rigged for racing. I have IMF and a 125 jib. I have 
>an
> > >older
> > > > >150
> > > > > > but the 125 is one year old and is much faster than the 18 year
>old
> > >150.
> > > > >One
> > > > > > thing that will help me is that river racing requires a lot of
> > >tacking.
> > > > >Most
> > > > > > of the bigger boats race short handed so I am hoping I can use
>that
> > >to
> > > > >my
> > > > > > advantage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And yes the fee includes a bunch of parties and dinners. In fact
> > >they
> > > > >spend
> > > > > > everything on parties and cheap trophies. They have a Christmas
> > >light
> > > > >parade
> > > > > > and dinner party that is supposed to be a bunch of fun. The Club
> > >house
> > > > >is
> > > > >a
> > > > > > house right next to the marina. There is usually people in 
>hanging
> > >out
> > > > > > watching the game or enjoying a drink (BYOB) on the weekend. I
> > >really
> > > > >wasn't
> > > > > > interested in joining but they seemed like such a nice group of
> > >folks
> > > > >that I
> > > > > > am now looking forward to it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding the 325 PHRF, I am not sure if I can sell them on 
>that.
> > >There
> > > > >are
> > > > > > about four or five boats in the 22 - 25 range that race. There 
>are
> > >two
> > > > > > Compaq 23s and an Oday 222 that race. In spite of my non racing
>rig
> > >pass
> > > > > > them all of the time. It will be hard to get anything slower 
>than
> > >they
> > > > >get.
> > > > > > I have passed the Catalina 25 heading upwind a couple of times. 
>I
> > >will
> > > > >let
> > > > > > you know what they stick me with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wally
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Bob Weber" <ruba1811 at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:33:15 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Wally, You do need a boom vang for sail shape for anything from 
>a
> > >beam
> > > > > > >reach on down.  I have a standard main and it gets a lot of 
>twist
> > >on
> > > > > > >anything more than a close reach.  Congrats on the
>Yaaaaaaaaaaaacht
> > > > >Club
> > > > >!
> > > > > > >Hopefully the fee includes a few parties.   My entry fee was 
>30$
> > >and
> > > > > > >includes about 8 parties.  We are not as exclusive in MO.  Also
>you
> > > > >will
> > > > > > >want a wisker pole for the downwind leg.  Good luck - Make us
>proud
> > >-
> > > > >don't
> > > > > > >lower our PHRF though.  Got a 325 this year.  I can run the
>course
> > >the
> > > > >next
> > > > > > >day and still have a shot at winning :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Bob Weber
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> > > > > > >>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > >>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > > > >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Yacht Club
> > > > > > >>Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:58:50 -0400
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>It has been a little more than a year since I slipped my R22 
>at
> > >Blue
> > > > > > >>Springs Marina. Several of the Yacht Club members have asked 
>me
>to
> > > > >join
> > > > > > >>the yacht club but I never got around to it. Well last weekend
> > >they
> > > > >had
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >>party that I attended. I finally decided to join Horizon Yacht
> > >Club.
> > > > >It
> > > > >is
> > > > > > >>very swanky, expensive, and quite exclusive (not really it is 
>in
> > >TN!)
> > > > >and
> > > > > > >>I needed to find a sponsor. After much controversy I was voted
>in.
> > >I
> > > > >only
> > > > > > >>need to come up with the steep yearly dues. After writing  the
> > >Purser
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >>check for $150 it was official.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Link to Blue Springs -
> > > > > > >>http://www.bluespringsmarina.com/
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I was quite proud to learn that my boat is considered to be 
>one
>of
> > >the
> > > > > > >>most sailed boats in the marina. They race the first Saturday 
>of
> > >every
> > > > > > >>month and have regattas with other clubs in the area. There 
>are
> > > > >several
> > > > > > >>that are serious (J24 & J80) but most are just looking for 
>fun.
> > >Most
> > > > >of
> > > > > > >>the boats are in the 27 to 35 foot range and usually don't 
>have
>a
> > >full
> > > > > > >>crew. It is usally about 10 boats total, not a big group.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>So I need to get a boom vang to improve sail shape. I am
>thinking
> > >of
> > > > >using
> > > > > > >>the same bail that was provided by GB for mast hoist. I can
>attach
> > >the
> > > > > > >>bail at the bottom of the mast. I am going to experiment using
>the
> > > > >vang
> > > > >I
> > > > > > >>made for my Bantam.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>Wally
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
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