[ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] it all your fault ed :-)

[Michael Meltzer]

the Schaeffer I use are the 4 bolt "U", I checked thier web page:

http://www.schaefermarine.com/hardware.asp
-> deck hardware
->cast pad eyes
78-07 and the backing plate 97-53

Just redrilled the backing plate 1/4 to 3/8 to change is from using 1/4 nylons nuts to ballels nuts(been puting that off for a while
:-). i knew the loads need to be in the 4000 lb area and it fit the bill, what real got me using them was the matching backing
plate(the last boat only had the 1/2 single bolt with fender washers). it about 5 sq inchs, the cabin to area thier is one of the
best built for the mount of the control blocks, my best bet to hold the load without testing to distruction :-)

Never realy thought about the fold down, just wanted a simple strong surface mount hardware, it real not in the way there. I seem
small to me and rounded when my feet do find it.

It here you about stay in the cockpit, the system simply does that. remeber the june storm from nowhere 5+- years ago. only 2 people
killed that day(boomed and ate by a prop). well I was one of them riding out in open water, I was clipped on to the rear cleat
fighting 80mph winds, no fun, even hooked to the lader side it would be even money on geting eaten by the prop, same problem with
jackline going all the way back to the rear cleat, maybe on bigger boat were the prop is more away from the surface,
but............. The weeks after I install the hardpoint's to keep me in the cock pit, most times thier are use for the kids
hardness.

Hate to admit it but never went froward with only hardpoints, I do have life line and rail to the forward deck and would use the bow
cleat...

MJM




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:07 PM
Subject: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] it all your fault ed :-)


Michael,

A little late to mention it, but have you seen the convertible Schaeffer Pad Eye/Block/Cleat?  I couldn't find it on their site, so
maybe it didn't work out and they no longer offer it.

I think you are right about fixed clip-on points rather than jack lines.  As you know, here on LIS we see a couple of sailors a year
killed while clipped onto jacklines.  Sometimes the jacklines snap, and sometimes they don't, but the point is that if you go into
the water your chances of survival go down drastically.  Some of these guys drown while being dragged by the boat.  Not pretty.

Roger mentioned a couple of years ago that he'd rather break a few ribs and stay on board.  I think he's right, too.

Schaeffer makes removable pad eyes that can be flush when not needed.  I think yours are flip down?  What do you do if you have to
go forward?  Clip onto the cleat?

Is an athwartships jackline between the 2 stern cleats viable in an emergency?  Can a harness be worn backward, clipped to such an
emergency jackline to keep you in the cockpit while still allowing some movement?

Bill Effros


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Meltzer
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 4:52 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] it all your fault ed :-)


ok, I pulled the backing plate for my hardpoints, went to west and got barrel nut and the right size screews wanted everthing to
look nice for a piture, now my problem, I am not sure what those schaffer backing plates are made of but I just watched them take
out a bouch titiaun high speed drill bit, 700 rpm drill press using cutting oil. That is f-cking hard stuff and not the 316 i know.
Any idea's what to drill them with?

MJM
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