[ham] [Rhodes22-list] FW: A good idea
brad haslett
flybrad@yahoo.com
Fri, 21 Feb 2003 05:51:20 -0800 (PST)
MJM,
There was a very telling photo in the USA Today last
week of the Korean Penusula from a satellite at night,
showing South Korea completely lit up and North Korea
mostly dark. Let's see, there's N. Korea, Cuba, a
couple of African countries, that's about it for
nations that are still trying to run their economies
on communist economic theories. I found myself in
agreement with Bill Clinton (Lord take me now) last
week when he said the North Koreans want economic aid
and this is their cry for attention. They need food
and power. The problem is, if we cave in, every two
bit nation in the world will act the same. If the
only threat from N. Korea is their nuclear reactor, we
simply do like Israel did with Saddam, take it out.
My gut feeling is that the US is not that concerned
about Korea yet because the time line is not as
critical as Iraq. Plus, China has a huge stake in
this because of their geography and customer base.
You're right about nukes in Japan. I don't trust them
with weapons and the Chinese sure as hell don't. Until
I can walk into any restaurant in Tokyo that I choose
and get a table, they don't deserve even a firecracker
(I've been refused admission to eat three times in
Japan because I was an American). Makes me want to
trade my Lexus for a Renault, NOT!
Brad
--- Michael Meltzer <mjm@michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:
> my view is china should send in about 3 million of
> the PLA to "protect" North Korea from us :-),
> barring that stop propping up the
> assholes and tolerate some insurability while North
> Korea's go thought their death throws. I have a
> hard time believing china are
> going to like Japan having nukes(like 800) with
> their history, Taiwan will be next with nukes(would
> not make any bets on them having
> them now), India has them and hates china. a very
> bad hood where life is cheap. They worst part is the
> only is the only milarty
> answer for North Korea is to use enought nukes for a
> first strike and a mopup to take out the whole
> contry at one time. they are
> dug in to well with to much, funny thing is china
> (and all the oithers in the hood)know it too.
>
> MJM
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brad haslett" <flybrad@yahoo.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] FW: A good idea
>
>
> > MJM,
> >
> > Actually the stopesso.com website is quite
> > informative. I downloaded the Deutsche Bank
> analysis
> > and quickly read through it to see how well it
> > dovetailed with a research paper I wrote about a
> year
> > ago. The website producers used some out of
> context
> > excerpts about Exxon to support their position.
> I'm
> > no cheerleader of big oil companies but for those
> who
> > think its all easy money, buy some oil company
> stock.
> >
> > Now, for that Korea thing. It IS up to China.
> They
> > have more reason to be nervous about a fruitcake
> > leader having nukes in their backyard than we do.
> > China is North Korea's largest trade partner and
> > energy supplier. Compared to Japan, South Korea,
> and
> > us, North Korea is very small potatoes. Plus,
> China
> > doesn't need any more people, they have plenty
> > already, trust me. China is open for business and
> > will follow the money. The US represents 40% of
> > China's growth. They may do some posturing and
> chest
> > beating but in the end, they'll deal with North
> Korea.
> >
> > Brad Haslett
> > --- Michael Meltzer <mjm@michaelmeltzer.com>
> wrote:
> > > I found it funny to, that all.
> > >
> > > the "oil conspiracy" are right for the wrong
> > > resions, I think they (us. gov) are looking at
> it as
> > > a funding source to rebuild the
> > > place "after" the war, get money and jobs to
> people
> > > so they love us, right, but 10 billion a year go
> a
> > > long way, open the taps so
> > > the price goes to 20-25 dollars is a plus and
> have
> > > troops on 2(3) sides of Iran is the big plus.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bottom line we do like him and maybe a warning
> to
> > > china to deal with North Kara
> > >
> > > MJM
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "brad haslett" <flybrad@yahoo.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > > <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] FW: A good
> idea
> > >
> > >
> > > > Actually that's quite funny, and fun to play
> with.
> > > > Since no one is sailing we may as well solve
> the
> > > > worlds problems. What I find so amusing about
> the
> > > > "oil conspiracy" theories is how little
> reality
> > > based
> > > > thinking there is behind them. The big oil
> > > companies
> > > > are heavily vertically integrated entities.
> > > Believe
> > > > it or not, they make money on donuts, coffee,
> > > > newspapers, and stuff, regardless of the price
> of
> > > > gasoline. What they don't do is drill when
> the
> > > price
> > > > per barrel of crude goes below about $25 per
> > > barrel.
> > > > If our only goal in Iraq was to get our hands
> on
> > > the
> > > > oil, and we open the spigots full, it would
> > > decimate
> > > > our domestic production industry, i.e.,
> > > Halliburton
> > > > and the like. GW knows this because his
> company
> > > went
> > > > bust when crude prices went south. What will
> have
> > > to
> > > > happen is that Iraqi oil production profits be
> > > > diverted to internal re-construction. This is
> > > good
> > > > for the Iraqi people and good for France, and
> > > others,
> > > > dependent on their oil. Since President 41
> didn't
> > > go
> > > > for the oil when he had the opportunity there
> is
> > > no
> > > > reason to believe that 43 will either except
> to
> > > > rebuild Iraq's domestic economy. Surely
> everyone
> > > > agrees that the Iraqi people could use oil
> profits
> > > for
> > > > better things than a bigger army.
> > > >
> > > > Brad Haslett
> > > > --- Michael Meltzer <mjm@michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > http://www.stopesso.com/funstuff/nose.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Steve Alm" <salm@mn.rr.com>
> > > > > To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:54 PM
> > > > > Subject: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] FW: A good
> idea
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:50:08 -0600
> > > > > > To: Steve Alm <salm@mn.rr.com>
> > > > > > Subject: A good idea
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yahoo pat
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