[Rhodes22-list] Planjammers (?)-Special Request
Jay Friedland
a.jayf@verizon.net
Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:22:55 -0500
Roger, Bingo, that's it.
I was asking Wally for a recommended length for the cable-you are using
a line to a cleat. Also, what line size did you use?
I am replacing the original cleats on the cabintop with the Ronstan
C-cleats, so the small one (#5000) with a fairlead should do it for up
to 1/4" line.
Is your camcleat on the aft end side of the boom or end below the
tangs? I'm thinking about the cable with a block and line lead from
boom to block and back so lift is easier for the high and low positions
of the boom.
For all the lines on your deck, is there a photo that shows how they
all run back to the cockpit? I am doing this for the UPS sail which
only requires halyard and furling line. I use only the additional
topping lift to support the whisker pole (HD6-12) because of the weight.
Hopefully this makes sense and is the simplest method to use here. It
seems that way now.
Thanks,
Jay
On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 10:50 AM, Roger Pihlaja wrote:
> Jay,
>
> I think this is the e-mail from me that you were refering to:
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> ________________________________________________________
>
> Jay,
>
> You can free up one of your masthead sheaves for another halyard by
> dead-ending the mainsail boom topping lift at the masthead. You can
> attach
> the topping lift to the same masthead fitting that the backstays use.
> At
> the aft end of the boom, drill & tap to mount a small cam cleat with
> built-in fairlead such as a Ronstan M/N: 70/28. Please see the 2002
> West
> Marine Master Catalog on page 1008 in the lower right corner of the
> page for
> a picture of this cam cleat. Now, you will adjust your boom topping
> lift
> from the end of the boom. Dynamic Equilibrium has been sailing with
> this
> setup for over a decade & it's been absolutely bulletproof.
>
> The enclosed link is a picture which shows the spinnaker pole topping
> lift
> on Dynamic Equilibrium:
>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/spinnaker.jpg
>
> Note that this picture also shows my dead-ended mainsail boom topping
> lift
> described above.
>
> The spinnaker pole topping lift is visible as the line which runs from
> about
> 75% of the height of the mast down to the double bridle on the
> spinnaker
> pole. The topping lift runs thru a Harken M/N: 0082 Single Bullet
> Block on
> a stainless steel eyestrap mounted on the mast. The eyestrap is
> attached to
> the mast with #10 - 24UNC X 1/2" long stainless steel machine screws,
> which
> are drilled & tapped into the mast. The screw threads & the back of
> the
> stainless steel eyestrap were coated with epoxy during final assembly
> to
> prevent corrosion & ensure they would never come loose. I have my
> spinnaker
> pole topping lift led back to the cockpit.
>
> If you want to be able to fly a tri-radial spinnaker such as Dynamic
> Equilibrium is using in the above picture; then, you will need to have
> a
> dedicated spinnaker halyard. You need to have a "spinnaker crane" in
> order
> to get the head of the spinnaker out well in front of the forestay.
> The
> spinnaker crane on Dynamic Equilibrium is clearly visible in the above
> picture if you look closely at the masthead.
>
> Hopefully, this answers your questions. But, if not; then, try to
> reformulate your question as specifically as possible & I'll try to
> help.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Friedland" <a.jayf@verizon.net>
> To: <kroposki@innova.net>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wihisker Pole
>
>
>> Ed-
>> Since you brought up the topic of topping lift, I have to ask...
>> Since I'm using the two sheaves at the top of the mast for 1) topping
>> lift for my boom, and 2) for my whisker pole, how have others done or
>> recommend a halyard for use with an additional sail, such as the UPS?
>> Snap block to a strap below? Can this take the load? I didn't remember
>> seeing anything in the photo gallery.
>> Jay
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 01:02 PM, Kroposki wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>> I have the pole recommended by our resident sailing garu, Roger.
>>> I put a T-track myself. I also have toping lift for support of the
>>> weight of the pole.
>>> Ed K
>>>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Friedland" <a.jayf@verizon.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Planjammers (?)-Special Request
>
>
>> Wally-
>> That's starting to make more sense than the direction I was planning
>> with three lines. I believe Roger was directing me towards this
>> solution. (Roger, lost your original e-mail. Sorry.)
>>
>> There are several benefits now that I've looked at the alternatives.
>> Most important, it frees up a block and cleat from the current line
>> where I would need to add the furling line and halyard for the UPS.
>> Also, there's less going on on the front of the mast to interfere. In
>> addition, the adjustments are now made from the tiller position which
>> is easier than the cabin top.
>>
>> Any idea of the cable length? Does 20 feet sound right with the
>> additional being taken up with block and line? What type of cleat do
>> you have? What happens to the excess line?
>>
>> I'm a bit hard-headed on this since Roger's suggestion, but its
>> starting to simplify things.
>> Thanks,
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:23 AM, Wally Buck wrote:
>>
>>> J,
>>>
>>> I have a cable topping lift dead ended at the top of the mast with a
>>> block at the other end. I have a line attached at the end of the boom
>>> (like every other topping lift) that runs up to the block (a couple
>>> of
>>> feet) and back down to a cleat at the aft end of the boom. To raise
>>> or
>>> lower boom I just uncleat line and adjust. My 84 came this way and it
>>> works fine.
>>>
>>> Wally
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Jay Friedland <a.jayf@verizon.net>
>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Planjammers (?)-Special Request
>>>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:42:51 -0500
>>>>
>>>> Roger-
>>>> A one-man resource center. Still working on the third halyard
>>>> problem. I have the IMF and actually what I saw in the 99 catalog
>>>> was
>>>> a curved plate with a bullnose for mounting a block. It had 3 or 4
>>>> screwholes on each side for drilling into the mast. It seemed to
>>>> have
>>>> a three bend configuration to fit several curvatures. Bob's
>>>> assistant
>>>> didn't know what I was talking about and it wasn't on their website.
>>>> So I didn't know where to go with this.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't had the chance to review you recommendation on dead-ending
>>>> the topping lift, but my first take was on the 18" + drop of the
>>>> boom
>>>> on the IMF, which I use often. I need to further review, but the
>>>> Dwyer piece was suggested by Doyle for the UPS halyard. He showed it
>>>> to me, and I thought it would be easy to locate with Dwyer. Next
>>>> time
>>>> I'll write it down.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help on this.
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:55 PM, Roger Pihlaja wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jay,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a 1991 edition of Dwyer's Yellow catalog. Each mast
>>>>> extrusion
>>>>> shape & size requires a different mounting plate. However, I'm
>>>>> going to
>>>>> take a wild guess as to what you probably want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming you have the standard mast, this is a DM-500 series
>>>>> extrusion. The
>>>>> DM-500 takes the D 2122H hinged step,
>>>>> D 1015 Masthead Rig with 4 aluminum sheaves, the DH 21750L
>>>>> Stainless
>>>>> Steel
>>>>> Tabernacle, & the DH 288 Medium Halyard Organizer Plate.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I've guessed wrong re what you want, then you're going to have
>>>>> to
>>>>> give me
>>>>> more information in order for me to help you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, my flat bed scanner is at the repair shop, so I
>>>>> can't
>>>>> send
>>>>> you any pictures.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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