[Rhodes22-list] Robert & Roger: - trim rings

[Wally Buck]

Stan,

Is this special closed cell tape for sale? I need to redo ports down the 
road....

Wally






>From: General Boats <wwrhodes@rhodes22.com>
>Reply-To: wwrhodes@rhodes22.com,The Rhodes 22 mail list 
><rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Robert & Roger:  -  trim rings
>Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:56:33 -0500
>
>Without objection we will jump into this one.
>
>Of course Roger's engineering, as always, is brilliant.  Ours is basic and
>basically driven by aesthetics.  We then send our engineered product out to
>our research department - you guys and gals - cup our ear and listen,  If
>there is no screaming from the victims, we assume we did it right.  Between
>the internet and all owners having our home phone number, this technique
>seems to be working.
>
>Rummy, as always, is correct.  Caulking the trim rings to stop a port from
>leaking is as good as closing the barn door after the flock has escaped. No
>Rhodes owner is silly enough to do this.
>
>The early boats had the ports put on with a caulking type sealant - but 
>this
>was not 100% successful since few know how to do this:  The caulking should
>be evenly spread by just lightly screwing the part, letting the caulking 
>set
>to form a gasket and then coming back to complete the tightening of the
>fasteners.  My guys were tightening from the start and oozing out all the
>caulking so when parts pulled back a little there was nothing to expand and
>fill the later gap. To make things idiot proof and to make it easier for 
>Ann
>to pull a port when her hard cursing racing efforts blows a port on her
>brand new Rhodes, we now use a special closed cell compressed tape that
>easily expands to fill future gaps, no matter how hard it is compressed by
>the fasteners.  And, coincidentally, makes it much easier to replace a
>broken port.
>
>The screaming down the road will tell us if this new system is the final
>solution.
>
>Incidentally, no one in our 44 year history has ever had a port blow out on
>one of our boats (and live to tell us about it) so we do not think this
>consideration trumps our aesthetic concerns.
>
>ss/gbi
>
>John Tonjes wrote:
>
> > Marc,
> > The trim ring on the interior is just that, a trim ring. It has NO
> > structural value. Proper caulking and using the proper screws to attach
> > the port on the outside is all you need to do. The trim ring is held in
> > place with caulking.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:14 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Robert & Roger: - trim rings
> >
> > Marc,
> >
> > It all depends upon how & where you intend to use your R-22.  If you are
> > ever out in heavy weather & take a good solid wave into those ports the
> > way they were installed; then, they will almost certainly blow out.  You
> > would be amazed how much water will get below thru even one blown out
> > port in heavy weather!  A seaworthy installation would always be thru
> > bolted as per my description in the FAQ.  You're a big boy & you can do
> > it however you wish, but remember you were advised on the correct way to
> > do the job.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karen Fiske / Marc Beroz" <kfiske@erols.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:05 PM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Robert & Roger: - trim rings
> >
> > > Robert:
> > > The process so far has been painless. One port had been installed with
> >
> > > silicone & popped right off. The other was had some type of adhesive
> > > caulking & took just a bit more time to free. Both ports were held in
> > place
> > > by 10 screws that went  through the flange of the port into the
> > > fiberglass skin (cabin side). These screws were about 3/4" long & only
> >
> > > went through
> > the
> > > inner skin of the cabin wall. There was no foam or wood between the
> > > inner
> > &
> > > outer cabin skins. There was a narrow band of caulking where the port
> > spigot
> > > passed through the outer cabin wall.
> > >
> > > I removed the screws and pulled the ports out. Then I just had to lift
> >
> > > the trim rings off (only held in place by silicone or caulk). Took
> > > much more time to clean  the caulking off the ports & fiberglass skin
> > > than to do anything else.
> > >
> > > Beckson has installation instructions at
> > > www.beckson.com/installport.html
> > >
> > > Roger:
> > > Thanks for the link. Beckson's website describes installing trim rings
> >
> > > either with flush mount barrel nuts through the trim rings or just
> > > using silicone with no fasteners through the rings. The latter is
> > > certainly
> > easier
> > > & is what my prior installation was, - but it does not seem to be a
> > > very ship-shape way to do things. At this point I'm either going to
> > > use
> > silicone
> > > only or use silicone with  pan head screws through the trim rings &
> > > outer skin to hold them in place. I do have any  wood or foam filler
> > > between the
> > 2
> > > fiberglass skins & am not planning to put any in. I 'd like to
> > > re-install the rings as GB had done it originally (without fasteners)
> > > but I wonder
> > how
> > > I can get a good silicone seal between the ring & fiberglass surface
> > > doing it this way. Apparently both GB & Beckson didn't see it as a
> > > problem so maybe I'm just fretting over  nothing. Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
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