[Rhodes22-list] Robert & Roger: - trim rings

Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:21:24 -0000

Wally/Anne

It is simple Anne - an idiot is in charge of this business.

Wally, the gasket spools are $30.  The problem with buying from us is it cost us
so much for S&H ($25 in this instance).
If a spool is more than you need, you can return the balance for a credit.  (I
don't know yet how far it goes.)

stan spitzer, in charge
general boats
114 midway drive
edenton nc 27932

Wally Buck wrote:

> Stan,
>
> Is this special closed cell tape for sale? I need to redo ports down the
> road....
>
> Wally
>
> >From: General Boats <wwrhodes@rhodes22.com>
> >Reply-To: wwrhodes@rhodes22.com,The Rhodes 22 mail list
> ><rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Robert & Roger:  -  trim rings
> >Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:56:33 -0500
> >
> >Without objection we will jump into this one.
> >
> >Of course Roger's engineering, as always, is brilliant.  Ours is basic and
> >basically driven by aesthetics.  We then send our engineered product out to
> >our research department - you guys and gals - cup our ear and listen,  If
> >there is no screaming from the victims, we assume we did it right.  Between
> >the internet and all owners having our home phone number, this technique
> >seems to be working.
> >
> >Rummy, as always, is correct.  Caulking the trim rings to stop a port from
> >leaking is as good as closing the barn door after the flock has escaped. No
> >Rhodes owner is silly enough to do this.
> >
> >The early boats had the ports put on with a caulking type sealant - but
> >this
> >was not 100% successful since few know how to do this:  The caulking should
> >be evenly spread by just lightly screwing the part, letting the caulking
> >set
> >to form a gasket and then coming back to complete the tightening of the
> >fasteners.  My guys were tightening from the start and oozing out all the
> >caulking so when parts pulled back a little there was nothing to expand and
> >fill the later gap. To make things idiot proof and to make it easier for
> >Ann
> >to pull a port when her hard cursing racing efforts blows a port on her
> >brand new Rhodes, we now use a special closed cell compressed tape that
> >easily expands to fill future gaps, no matter how hard it is compressed by
> >the fasteners.  And, coincidentally, makes it much easier to replace a
> >broken port.
> >
> >The screaming down the road will tell us if this new system is the final
> >solution.
> >
> >Incidentally, no one in our 44 year history has ever had a port blow out on
> >one of our boats (and live to tell us about it) so we do not think this
> >consideration trumps our aesthetic concerns.
> >
> >ss/gbi
> >
> >John Tonjes wrote:
> >
> > > Marc,
> > > The trim ring on the interior is just that, a trim ring. It has NO
> > > structural value. Proper caulking and using the proper screws to attach
> > > the port on the outside is all you need to do. The trim ring is held in
> > > place with caulking.
> > >
> > > Rummy
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:14 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Robert & Roger: - trim rings
> > >
> > > Marc,
> > >
> > > It all depends upon how & where you intend to use your R-22.  If you are
> > > ever out in heavy weather & take a good solid wave into those ports the
> > > way they were installed; then, they will almost certainly blow out.  You
> > > would be amazed how much water will get below thru even one blown out
> > > port in heavy weather!  A seaworthy installation would always be thru
> > > bolted as per my description in the FAQ.  You're a big boy & you can do
> > > it however you wish, but remember you were advised on the correct way to
> > > do the job.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Karen Fiske / Marc Beroz" <kfiske@erols.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:05 PM
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Robert & Roger: - trim rings
> > >
> > > > Robert:
> > > > The process so far has been painless. One port had been installed with
> > >
> > > > silicone & popped right off. The other was had some type of adhesive
> > > > caulking & took just a bit more time to free. Both ports were held in
> > > place
> > > > by 10 screws that went  through the flange of the port into the
> > > > fiberglass skin (cabin side). These screws were about 3/4" long & only
> > >
> > > > went through
> > > the
> > > > inner skin of the cabin wall. There was no foam or wood between the
> > > > inner
> > > &
> > > > outer cabin skins. There was a narrow band of caulking where the port
> > > spigot
> > > > passed through the outer cabin wall.
> > > >
> > > > I removed the screws and pulled the ports out. Then I just had to lift
> > >
> > > > the trim rings off (only held in place by silicone or caulk). Took
> > > > much more time to clean  the caulking off the ports & fiberglass skin
> > > > than to do anything else.
> > > >
> > > > Beckson has installation instructions at
> > > > www.beckson.com/installport.html
> > > >
> > > > Roger:
> > > > Thanks for the link. Beckson's website describes installing trim rings
> > >
> > > > either with flush mount barrel nuts through the trim rings or just
> > > > using silicone with no fasteners through the rings. The latter is
> > > > certainly
> > > easier
> > > > & is what my prior installation was, - but it does not seem to be a
> > > > very ship-shape way to do things. At this point I'm either going to
> > > > use
> > > silicone
> > > > only or use silicone with  pan head screws through the trim rings &
> > > > outer skin to hold them in place. I do have any  wood or foam filler
> > > > between the
> > > 2
> > > > fiberglass skins & am not planning to put any in. I 'd like to
> > > > re-install the rings as GB had done it originally (without fasteners)
> > > > but I wonder
> > > how
> > > > I can get a good silicone seal between the ring & fiberglass surface
> > > > doing it this way. Apparently both GB & Beckson didn't see it as a
> > > > problem so maybe I'm just fretting over  nothing. Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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