[Rhodes22-list] docking skills and etiquette.

Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:51:57 -0500

I have a slightly different, and until now thought was standard, feeling
about offers of assistance from the dock.

It is that if I don't know the person on the dock, and he isn't an
alleged pro (working a gas dock or for a charterer), than I have no idea
if they have any idea of what they are doing.

The jerk you see screwing up docking in his own boat on the water may be
the same person who is offering to help with your lines.

In short, my response to a stranger - thanks but no thanks.

Bill Berner
191 South Broadway
Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706

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Todd,
I am a gal who single hands and it all depends on who
offers and how it is said. I dock just fine with no help.
Otherwise, I would not go out!!, eh? I have my system
down pat. big wind days can be a challenge, but that
is sometimes the best and not a day for help..unless there
is a problem. I can usually solve the problem. Rarely it
occurs and it means going back out and getting more power.
Some guys can be so condescending it is truly a ruin to a good
day on the water with no other humans. (I see 50 or more
people a day and deal with their problems so sailing alone
is the only therapy!)
I suppose I am just tender, but only tender about attitude of
assistance. Most the time it is someone at docks I know who
hands me a beer and wants me to go out sailing with them!
Fine, help me all you want!
Anne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Tavares" <sprocket80@mail.com>
To: <alexbell@coastalnet.com>; <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:16 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] docking skills and etiquette.

> Alex,
>
>     I, as most here know have a project boat and haven't sailed in it
yet.
Still I sometimes stop by the docks to watch boats.  Not so much to see
others screw up, but more so to be near the water and occaisionally
break up
my very long commute.  I have made friends and learned much from talking
to
people.
>    However, I often walk out to ask in-coming sailors if they need a
hand.
Many times I have been close to being cursed out for asking.  Some take
my
offers as an insult.
>   Is my novice behavior breaking some sort of dock etiquette?
>
> Todd
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Bell <alexbell@coastalnet.com>
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:01:06 -0500
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] docking skills.
>
> > David,
> >
> > You have that sense of humor that's going to keep you going in bad
> > times. Just try to come in when nobody is around. That's when it all
> > goes great. It's when there's a crowd of onlookers that put you on
edge
> > and everything goes bad. Don't be afraid to ask an onlooker to catch
a
> > line for you. Most people would like to help but will rarely
volunteer.
> >
> > For a real treat, go sit around a boat ramp at the end of a nice
day.
> > Any problems you think you might have in handling your boat will
pale by
> > comparrison to what you will witness. This has been mentioned
before,
> > but it's worth mentioning again.
> >
> > I got to see a great show one evening in beautiful downtown New
Bern. A
> > fellow "sailor" was going to recover his boat. He had his buddy
bring
> > the boat trailer down the ramp. Meanwhile, he proceeded to take the
mast
> > down out on the water while bobbing around. Keep in mind that this
was
> > aobut a 19' boat and there was no sophisticated mast crutch and
winch
> > system for handling the mast. Now if the ramp had an electric wire
> > hanging across it, that might be a good reason to mess with the mast
out
> > on the water, but I would think I'd just go to a different ramp.
This
> > guy managed to have his son (?) hold onto the forestay as he tried
to
> > gracefully lower the mast. Ooops. son could not hold onto forestay,
but
> > sure tried to. Seems like someone went swiming about that point.
Anyway,
> > the mast came down.  Seems like the boom went for a dip too. It got
real
> > active out there. Then they put the boat on the trailer.
> >
> > The boat on the trailer trick didn't seem to go so well either. I
don't
> > recall the details cause I think I was unsuccessfully trying not to
howl
> > with laughter and might have had my head down. Pamela and I were in
the
> > car, but we might have had the windows down and I wouldn't want to
just
> > plain laugh at someone ;=) This whole process took the guy about an
> > hour. Meanwhile there were some fishermen that wanted to bring their
> > boats in. These guys sure did their best to lower some people's
opinion
> > of sailors that day. Of course, Bass Boat Bob has his times too. We
just
> > didn't see him in action that night.
> >
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > David Keyes wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, Bob.  Interesting idea to have a fender mounted along the
dock
at
> > > the head of the V.  In my case, though, I think that the dock is
too
low and
> > > the boat would with any serious momentum ride over or stretch or
break
the
> > > V-line (which at my slip is near water level) and, if it hit the
fender then
> > > at that point it might just as likely slide to the right and hit
the
large
> > > metal gears and cables controlling the floating dock (which don't
seem
to be
> > > capable of themselves being covered by a fender--but at least I
have
never
> > > come close to hitting these).
> > >
> > > The above is the bad news.  The good news is that I would be very
happy to
> > > have a problem with shooting into the slip too fast.  It would
mean
that I
> > > have gotten to the slip and that I didn't crash into any boats,
any
other
> > > part of the dock, or the finger piers or founder on the rocky
coast
beyond!
> > > I have never had the problem of the bow going too far forward into
the
slip.
> > > If I am going to screw up, it happens earlier!
> > >
> > > David Keyes
> > >
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