[Rhodes22-list] Re: Fwd: RE: [rhodes-list] Whisker pole

Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:33:12 -0800 (PST)

Here is a write up by Roger.  Same pole I use.
Steve

--- Steve <rhodes2282@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- "Roger K. Pihlaja" <cen09402@centurytel.net>
> wrote:
> > From: "Roger K. Pihlaja" <cen09402@centurytel.net>
> > To: <rhodes-list@sailnet.net>
> > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:05:55 -0500
> > Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] Whisker pole
> > 
> > Judy,
> > 
> > We use a Forespar model HD 6-12-DL heavy duty
> twist
> > lock telescoping whisker
> > pole.  Don't get anything lighter duty than the HD
> > 6-12-DL or your genoa
> > will fold it in half!  Our whisker pole has the
> type
> > "EL" Easy Latch style
> > end fittings on both ends & we like them OK.  They
> > are certainly much more
> > secure than a simple pin.
> > 
> > For a mount on the mast, we use a 1" wide X 4'
> long
> > piece of Schaefer #40-64
> > racing T-track in black anodized finish.  We use
> the
> > racing T-track because
> > the adjustment holes are closer together on
> 1-5/16"
> > centers vs. 4" centers
> > on standard T-track, thus allowing for a finer
> > adjustment of position on the
> > mast.  We use a Schaefer #73-92 spinnaker pole
> slide
> > on this 1" T-track.
> > The bottom of the T-track is mounted 13-1/2" off
> the
> > cabin roof with the
> > mast stepped.  Each of the countersunk mounting
> > holes in the T-track is
> > drilled & tapped into the front of the mast using
> > 1/4-28UNF X 3/4" long flat
> > head SS machine screws.  To prevent electrolytic
> > corrosion between disimilar
> > metals, the threads of each of the machine screws
> +
> > the tapered countersink
> > head + the back of the T-track were coated with
> > epoxy during assembly.
> > 
> > Enclosed are 3 links to the photo site:
> > 
> >
>
http://www.michaelmeltzer.com/rhodes/pics/spinnaker.jpg
> >
>
http://www.michaelmeltzer.com/rhodes/pics/Roller_Furling.jpg
> >
>
http://www.michaelmeltzer.com/rhodes/pics/Family_On_Boat.jpg
> > 
> > The 1st picture shows Dynamic Equilibrium on a
> close
> > tri-radial spinnaker
> > reach in light air.  In the picture, you can
> clearly
> > see the spinnaker pole
> > set so that it is horizontal with the clew of the
> > spinnaker.  In general,
> > this is correct height to set either a whisker
> pole
> > or spinnaker pole.
> > However, because of differences in the way genoas
> &
> > cruising spinnakers are
> > cut, the whisker pole will usually need to be
> lower
> > on the mast than when
> > flying a tri-radial spinnaker.  Also in the 1st
> > picture, you can see the use
> > of a spinnaker pole topping lift to help support
> the
> > weight of the pole.  In
> > light air, getting the weight of the pole off the
> > sail will dramatically
> > improve sail shape & often makes the difference
> > between being able to fly
> > the sail & having it constantly collapse under its
> > own weight.  It's
> > difficult to see in the 1st picture, but there is
> > also a spinnaker pole
> > downhaul rigged underneath the pole.  The downhaul
> > control line is useful in
> > heavy air to keep the outboard end of the pole
> from
> > rising up.  This makes
> > the spinnaker much more aerodynamically stable in
> > heavy air.
> > 
> > The 2nd picture is an annotated detail shot of
> > Dynamic Equilibrium's bow &
> > foredeck.  Note the outboard end of the spinnaker
> > pole stored in a Forespar
> > model 300002 Deck Mount Pole Chock.  The outboard
> > end of the whisker pole is
> > stored in a HD pad eye.  Also note the spinnaker
> > snuffer sock control
> > blocks.  Spinnakers are much easier to fly if
> rigged
> > with a snuffer sock.
> > The snuffer sock is clearly visible bunched up on
> > top of the tri-radial
> > spinnaker in the 1st picture.  I have my snuffer
> > sock control lines run back
> > to the cockpit.
> > 
> > In the 3nd picture, note the inboard end of the
> > spinnaker pole is stored on
> > top of the cabin roof in another Forespar model
> > 300002 Deck Mount Pole
> > Chock.  The inboard end of the whisker pole is
> > stored on the spinnaker pole
> > slide.  The slide is moved down to the bottom of
> the
> > T-track for storage.
> > In this position, the middle of the whisker pole
> > just barely clears the
> > upper corner of the cabin roof with the outboard
> end
> > stored as per picture
> > #2.  Also in the 3rd picture, note that about even
> > with the bottom of the US
> > flag, there is a fixed spinnaker ring mounted
> > permanently to the front of
> > the mast.  Originally, I stored both the spinnaker
> > pole & whisker pole
> > vertically against the mast utilizing this upper
> > ring & the sliding ring on
> > the T-track.  Sometimes, at anchor or at a dock, I
> > still stow both poles in
> > this manner to clear off the foredeck.  However, I
> > don't sail with them like
> > that anymore.  I found they added considerable
> > weight & windage up there,
> > they tended to snag sheets, & the poles were
> slower
> > to deploy than from
> > their present deck-level positions.
> > 
> > I also like the present deck level storage setup
> > because the poles are down
> > low for reduced heeling & windage, they never snag
> > sheets down there, & they
> > provide a firm, large diameter handhold on the
> > foredeck centerline if one
> > must go forward in heavy weather.
> > 
> > FYI - Here is another link to a picture of Bill
> > Sparhawk's spinnaker pole
> > T-track installation:
> > 
> >
>
http://www.michaelmeltzer.com/rhodes/pics/spintrack.jpg
> > 
> > It looks like Bill mounted his T-track a little
> bit
> > higher on the mast than
> > I did & he has 2 spinnaker track pole slides.
> > 
> > Hope this info helps, Judy.  If you have any more
> > questions, ask away & I'll
> > try to help.
> > 
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: Walter Gorman [mailto:wgorman@ix.netcom.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:46 AM
> > To: Rhodes-list@sailnet.net
> > Subject: [rhodes-list] Whisker pole
> > 
> > 
> >   I am in the market for a whisker pole for my
> > Rhodes 22. Does anyone have
> > any advice as to the size and brand?
> >   Is any one using a whisker pole? I sail in
> > Narragansett Bay, R.I. and
> > there are only a couple of Rhodes there that I
> know
> > of
> >   I winter in the Stuart, Florida area so if
> anyone
> > is using a whisker pole
> > in either area, I would like to see how you have
> it
> > set up.
> >   Thanks Judy Gorman
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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