[Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats

[John Tonjes]

Roger,
I have an 88 model which has two cleats on the deck, one for the genoa
furling line and another for the topping lift. Neither are thru bolted. I
suspect they are drilled and tapped and threaded into the fiberglass.
Neither one has a great amount of pressure and I'm sure they were factory
installations.

Rummy


> [Original Message]
> From: Ronald Lipton <lipton at sprynet.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: 7/27/2003 3:41:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats
>
> Roger,
>
>   Great description, as usual.  Just what I need.  I was concerned about
> drilling  through the liner. The use of fender washers
> and barrel nuts should make for a nice installation.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402 at centurytel.net>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 6:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats
>
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > The cabin roof is about 1-1/2" thick in that area, certainly thick
enough
> &
> > plywood cored.  But, how were you planning to attach the cleat if not by
> > thru-bolting - wood screws?  The roller furling control line can be
fairly
> > heavily loaded.  It is considered bad engineering practice to do
anything
> > but thru bolt heavily loaded deck fittings.
> >
> > Before you do anything, please take a look at the following reference:
> >
> > "Fiberglass Boat Repair & Maintenance, With WEST System Epoxy", Revised
> > Edition, Published By Gougeon Brother Inc., PO Box X908, Bay City, MI
> 48707,
> > 989-684-1374, Cat No: 002-550, Sep., 1988, pages 46 - 50
> >
> > The most recent edition of this pamphlet is available at West Marine
> stores
> > or just about any other marine chandlery that sells WEST System epoxy
> > products.  Or, look in the 2003 West Marine Master Catalog on page 388.
> >
> > Basically, you will drill out the mounting holes oversize, tape over the
> > holes thru the cabin liner, & backfill the holes with epoxy using a
> > hypodermic syringe.  Then, you will redrill the mounting holes thru the
> > hardened epoxy.  This will completely seal the plywood core to prevent
> > moisture intrusion in the future & provide a stable, crushproof region
> thru
> > the plywood core that will not be deformed when the cam cleat is loaded.
> >
> > Please allow me to introduce you to a wonderful piece of thru-bolting
> > hardware called the "barrel nut".  Look in the 2003 West Marine Master
> > Catalog on page 512.  You didn't say if the particular cam cleat you
were
> > going to use required #10 - 24UNC or 1/4" - 20UNC screws; but, there are
> > barrel nuts listed to fit either size.  You can either fabricate your
own
> > backing plate from 12 gage SS plate or you can use SS fender washers for
> > backing plates.  On page 512 in the 2003 West Marine Master Catalog,
use a
> > 1" OD X 1/4" ID SS fender washer with the #10 barrel nut & a 1-1/2" OD X
> > 5/16" ID SS fender washer with the 1/4" barrel nut.  You will have to
trim
> > the lengths of the SS mounting screws to fit the barrel nuts & the
> thickness
> > of the cabin roof under your new cam cleat.  The finished installation
> will
> > only show the SS backing plate or SS fender washers & the polished
> Phillips
> > screwheads of the barrel nuts.  It won't be a head banger, will be very
> > strong, & yet readily accessible if you ever need to take it apart.
> >
> > Please don't use wood screws.  Good luck!
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ronald Lipton" <lipton at sprynet.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 7:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats
> >
> >
> > > This must have confused some folks.  I ment the furling line, not the
> > > sheets.  Sorry.  I was just wondering if the cabintop fiberglass is
> thick
> > > enough to support the cleat or if some sort of backing plate is
needed.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ronald Lipton" <lipton at sprynet.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 10:38 PM
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Genoa Cleats
> > >
> > >
> > > > The Genoa sheets on my '89 have an annoying habit of slipping though
> > > > the jam cleats, unfurling  the genoa.  I would like to
> > > > add cam cleats to the cabintop.  Has anyone done this? What is
> > > > the proper procedure? Is the fiberglass thick enough to support
> > > > the cleats with no backing?  Any advice would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Ron Lipton
> > > > Empress of Blandings
> > > > Michigan City, In
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