[Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - Wearewaitingfor
more accurate information
Jay Friedland
a.jayf@verizon.net
Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:05:09 -0500
Wally,
I let Jim know directly that new software dumped the .bin into a new
location. Opened easily as a jpeg. There's normally a reason why things
get more difficult.
Anyhow, the green is closer to what the sail looks like, or maybe
halfway in between both lines.
Wally, if the dimensions we spoke of for the dead-ended topping lift
are used-23'3" and 10'9", that's almost a 2:1 ratio, while this is a
3:1. So the "humpback" area (across where the topping lift would run is
much more significant. The sunbrella area outside the mast is only
slightly increased from maybe 12" to 16" as an approximate.
Hope this helps to visualize it. I know the photos will help when
released.
Jay
On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 12:31 PM, Wally Buck wrote:
> Well now I am not sure now what file I viewed. I do remember viewing
> the drawings ....I also remember I didn't view in browser. I
> associated the file with The Kodak viewer and it opened.
>
> Then again I have slept several times since viewing and I could be
> wrong....
>
> Wally
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Jay Friedland <a.jayf@verizon.net>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>> To: kroposki@innova.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail -
>> Wearewaitingfor more accurate information
>> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:36:29 -0500
>>
>> Wally, Jim,
>> Not sure if it's a broken url, but with or without <-II.bin> didn't
>> work.
>> J
>> On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Kroposki wrote:
>>
>>> Wally:
>>> I can not see any attachments on this thread, but saw the
>>> square
>>> sail picture on another thread, is that the attachment?
>>> Ed K
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck
>>> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:37 AM
>>> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We
>>> arewaitingfor more accurate information
>>>
>>> Jay,
>>>
>>> scroll all the way down to see attachments. I was able to view.
>>>
>>> Wally
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Jay Friedland <a.jayf@verizon.net>
>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>> To: jbconnolly@speakeasy.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>> <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We
>>>> are
>>>> waitingfor more accurate information
>>>> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:26:11 -0500
>>>>
>>>> Jim-
>>>> If there's an attachment, it didn't come through.
>>>>
>>>> The leech (loose end) of the sail is only a slight triangle. It's
>>>> cut
>>> high
>>>> to the batten, then drops to the clew. My best guess is the batten
>>>> is
>>>> about 20" in from the clew. Not sure if all these numbers work. If I
>>> knew
>>>> I'd be the source of info, the tape measure would have been out.
>>>>
>>>> Try to resend.
>>>> Jay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Jim Connolly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jay,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested, but as a newbie to the R-22, I am unsure of the
>>>>> tradeoffs
>>>>> and benefits.
>>>>>
>>>>> After adding electric start to the motor, new sails (new 150% genoa
>>> and
>>>>> IMF
>>>>> Mk-I (for now ;-)) and new cabin cushions, I am also over my
>>> self-imposed
>>>>> limit. :-0
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody needs to draw a picture. I'll start You described a
>>> four-sided
>>>>> sail with a vertical batten. I had an image in my mind something
>>>>> like
>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>> one on the left, with ~100 SF IMF Mk-I in blue, ~110SF IMF MK-II in
>>> red
>>>>> with
>>>>> the dashed red line a long batten. Now you say the batten is 30"
>>> long?
>>>>>
>>>>> After drawing it, I see that the batten wouldn't need to be as
>>>>> long as
>>> I
>>>>> had
>>>>> initially pictured in my head. New mental picture is more like the
>>>>> right,
>>>>> with short batten further aft and lower.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is either version even close?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Connolly
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Jay Friedland [mailto:a.jayf@verizon.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:03 AM
>>>>>> To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are waiting for more
>>>>>> accurate information
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed-
>>>>>> You're making a lucky guess (NYC born, NJ-bred). I've lost my edge
>>> with
>>>>>> Stan-he offered the demo boat on one of my visits, now I'm the
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> source of info on this sail...can't stand the pressure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In following debates of Standard vs. IMF over the past few years,
>>>>>> stiffening the sail has been one of the deep divisions in the
>>>>>> boat's
>>>>>> performance vs. convenience. I'd love to see Steve, Roger, or
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> Standard Mainsail user evaluate it fairly. I'm sure the power of
>>>>>> sail
>>>>>> draft will still make the Standard perform better, but it would be
>>>>>> interesting to see how much this closes the gap. Stan's designs
>>> always
>>>>>> defy traditional sail controls. He ought to do a manual in his
>>>>>> spare
>>>>>> time on Sail Control with the R22.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The batten itself is about 30" long and really flattens the whole
>>>>>> mainsail significantly, probably even more significantly as the
>>>>>> sail
>>> is
>>>>>> stretched with use. In a conversation with Tom Deliberto, he had
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> gennie designed as a biradial cut to compensate for stretch. He's
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> only one I know that has done this, but reefing and stretch are
>>>>>> the
>>> two
>>>>>> things I've seen affect performance. If both factors can be
>>>>>> addressed
>>>>>> this way, I see new main as a big plus. On most other boats
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> furled/protected sails, sail life is typically limited to 4-5
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> based on use and wind conditions. With the above improvements,
>>>>>> sail
>>>>>> life plus performance, it adds another advantage to the
>>>>>> convenience
>>> of
>>>>>> the R22.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I'm not sure if I mentioned the CO2 cartridges that are
>>> needed
>>>>>> for the new main.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did Jim Connolly mention he's waiting on the MK II as the new
>>>>>> design?
>>>>>> Jay
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 09:30 AM, Kroposki wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jay,
>>>>>>> I thought you were from New York. Are you telling us that some
>>>>>>> guy from Brooklyn snuck one by you? Oh come on now.
>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Name: imfMk-II.bmp Type: image/bmp Size: 359992 bytes Desc: not
>>> available
>>>>> Url:
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200303/05/
>>>>> imfMk-
>>>
>>>>> II.bin
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