Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
Steve
rhodes2282 at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 2 05:53:09 EST 2004
Slim
If you had a clue of what you were talking about; you
wouldn't be a liberal. Its call the free market
system. You can't keep taking from Business & giving
to folks that won't help themself. The only time I
have ever seen a liberal willing to fight is when
someone wants to lower or take away thier welfare
check. If someone want to get rich, get a job & work
for it; & get off welfare!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve
--- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> What is with you and this welfare thing with
> liberals? I've heard you say
> this before. You're a one-trick-pony! You equate
> Democrats with welfare
> recipients as though all of us on the left are
> welfare cases, living off
> your tax dollars. Get a clue! I'm a self-employed
> musician, which some may
> say is not "real" work, but screw that--I've never
> asked for a dime from
> anybody in my life. I pay higher taxes than you do
> or any government
> employee! Example: I pay BOTH halves of social
> security--you pay only ONE
> half and your employer pays the other half. Don't
> even talk to me about your
> tax burden because mine is greater. As a government
> employee, I'd say
> YOU'RE the one who is "sleeping with the enemy" and
> costing us hard-working
> citizens lots of money. Who pays YOUR salary?
> ...Me. Send me money and
> I'll let you off the hook. 8-)
>
> Slim
>
>
>
> On 4/1/04 5:14 PM, "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Interesting Bill.
> > Yeah, I'm 6'5 175 & pretty much all muscle. Its
> not
> > that, I just don't like being a puss. As far as
> ideas
> > goes, I not seeing any below. Are you afried of
> > writting any of your ideas!!! Its like this, if
> you
> > have your hand in the welfare jar; then yes I can
> see
> > why you would want to be a libreal. You wouldn't
> want
> > to lose your free meal. But this country can't
> aford
> > to support all you people on welfare. You all
> talk
> > about the deficit - HAVE you ever seen a democrate
> > give up thier welfare check - But I bet that
> something
> > that would get a libreal fighting:-)
> >
> > How that for new ideas, Bill. I'm just wondering,
> how
> > much welfare are you getting:-)
> > Steve
> >
> > PS - I'm not getting any!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> I kinda liked what you wrote. We don't see it
> that
> >> often coming from this side of the fence.
> >>
> >> When Steve runs out of ideas he starts attacking
> >> people personally. It's not pretty because he
> runs
> >> out of ideas early in the game.
> >>
> >> With regard to bullying, and standing up to
> people,
> >> Steve often forgets to mention that he's 6' 5" or
> >> something like that, and when he pushes in
> person,
> >> people are disinclined to push back. Email
> levels
> >> the playing field, and that is less to his
> liking.
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Mark Kaynor
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:56 PM
> >> Subject: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> >> Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
> >>
> >>
> >> Dang. Just reread what I wrote. Sorry folks. I
> >> guess I let him get to me.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> >> Behalf Of Mark Kaynor
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:14 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> >> Rivera reports
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve,
> >>
> >> I remember 9/11 - in a pretty personal way,
> too.
> >> Some friends were lost at
> >> the Naval Operations Center at the Pentagon.
> The
> >> team had just relocated to
> >> their new offices. I was doing some work for
> the
> >> Navy at the time and was
> >> asked to compile a list of the relocations
> since
> >> our data was more up to
> >> date than the sources they had available at the
> >> time. As much as I am
> >> opposed to war, I was in favor of us going to
> >> Afghanistan to try and root
> >> out that evil.
> >>
> >> But Iraq is so NOT 9/11.
> >>
> >> Nobody ever said we should be "pusses". Not
> sure
> >> how saying "a lot more than
> >> 3000 people have died since 9/11" makes me a
> puss,
> >> but I guess that's your
> >> call.
> >>
> >> I can see how you thought what I wrote was
> funny.
> >> Particularly since you
> >> think I'm just a stupid liberal. Thanks for
> >> unimaginative, narrow minded,
> >> jingoistic, "balls to the walls" abusive
> >> "discussion" and name calling. Kind
> >> of reminds me of some of the other bullies I've
> >> known.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> >> Behalf Of Steve
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:00 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> >> Rivera reports
> >>
> >>
> >> Mercy Mark. Do you not remember
> 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> You
> >> have to fight to be free. You can't be a puss
> &
> >> expect this country to remain free. Freedom is
> >> not
> >> Free!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am wasting my time - You
> can
> >> take
> >> a mule to water; but you can't make it
> drink!!!!
> >> I
> >> guess that saying go also that you can show a
> >> person
> >> the information - But you can't keep them from
> >> being
> >> stupid!!!!!!!!!!! I bet you were one of those
> >> folks
> >> on the playground that ran to the teacher ever
> >> time a
> >> bully polk at you or made fun of you. Mercy,
> NO
> >> bully
> >> ever made fun of me & got away with it. Do you
> >> reallt
> >> think of lieing around with you head in the
> sand
> >> will
> >> make anyone be nice to you. No one respects a
> >> puss.
> >> The seene yesterday is a replay of Blackhaulk
> >> Down-
> >> The Terrorists think if they hit us Hard we
> will
> >> puss
> >> out. We have them by the balls now!!!! All we
> >> have
> >> to do is strick back even harder & the job will
> be
> >> all
> >> but done. That how you win a war. The other
> side
> >> never plays fair. This country is the only
> >> country on
> >> the plantet that plays fair. We have to hit
> them
> >> hard
> >> now & finish the job and the world will be a
> >> better
> >> place for it.
> >>
> >> Well, I have said my piece. It never suprised
> of
> >> some
> >> of the stuff that I read by the Libreal. Of
> >> course
> >> your fellow libreals may like you for it but
> think
> >> about it; being a puss is still being a puss -
> how
> >> can
> >> you respect yourself in the morning. At least
> you
> >> have Bush to thanks for still having the
> freedom
> >> to
> >> voice your opinion. If we ever lose one of
> these
> >> war;
> >> and a dirty bomb or mini nuke wipe us out by
> all
> >> these
> >> terrorists, what are you going to do them:-) It
> >> will
> >> be to late to understand your shortcoming
> >> them!!!!!!!
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> PS - The below did give me a good laugh:-)
> >>
> >> --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> >>> Steve,
> >>>
> >>> "Think about it, if Clinton would have done what
> >>> Bush did, 3,000 people
> >>> would be alive now. You can't argue with that."
> >>>
> >>> See http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ - I guess you
> >>> must have meant "American
> >>> people". And who knows what would have happened
> >> if
> >>> Clinton had done what
> >>> Bush did? It could have incited even higher
> >> levels
> >>> of anti-Americanism and
> >>> more terrorist acts.
> >>>
> >>> And I love this sentiment - "If they act up,
> >> well
> >>> stomp on them." I wonder
> >>> why some of them don't like us?
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> >> Behalf
> >>> Of Steve
> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:49 AM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> >> Rivera
> >>> reports
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Slim
> >>> Let me help you with your answer below. I know
> >> you
> >>> Liberal are out there but you really need to
> >> stop
> >>> hating Bush and analyze the facts.
> >>>
> >>> The US needed a contractor, if not Halliburton,
> >> then
> >>> WHO? Halliburton is one of the biggest company
> >> in
> >>> the
> >>> world, operating in countries with offices all
> >> over
> >>> the world. The US can't contract with Billy Bob
> >>> Democrate if they are not big enough to handle
> >> the
> >>> job. Halliburton is hugh. All contractor have
> >>> audit
> >>> problems. Trust me, I work for the government;
> >> all
> >>> contractors get audit findings and when the
> >> auditors
> >>> find something; the problem is corected. Its
> >> normal
> >>> whether the contractor is Democrate or
> >> Republican.
> >>>
> >>> The US is safer; much safer. Remember, since
> >> 9/11,
> >>> we
> >>> haven't been hit on our own soil. Yes, thier
> >>> hitting
> >>> us oversea, Irag but thier hitting the military,
> >> NOT
> >>> citizens. We are keeping them pin down over
> >> there,
> >>> oversea. This is the smart things to do.
> >> Remember,
> >>> Clinton had 8 years, they attached the twin
> >> towers,
> >>> Our foreign embassies, the USS Cole and all
> >> Clinton
> >>> did was lob a few bombs at them. Think about
> >> it, if
> >>> Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000
> >> people
> >>> would be alive now. You can't argue with that.
> >>>
> >>> As for oil prices, This country has plenty of
> >> oil.
> >>> If
> >>> democrate would stop fighting and let the US
> >> pump
> >>> its
> >>> own oil, then gas would be under a $1 a gallon.
> >> You
> >>> can't blame that on Bush. Remember, up in
> >> Alaski
> >>> where only anamil is a polar bear & nothing else
> >> -
> >>> think about it - why don't we pump that out &
> >> use
> >>> it.
> >>> Its the Democrate that stop that. Funny thing
> >> is
> >>> that
> >>> the people in Alaski wanted the business up
> >> there.
> >>> Go
> >>> figure!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>
> >>> As for US relation, remember we are the lone
> >> Super
> >>> Power, sometimes everbody is not going to like
> >> us.
> >>> Do we stop pushing our values, our fight for
> >> freedom
> >>> around the world, for rights for Women &
> >> children.
> >>> You would think that these are Democrate values.
> >>> Whats up with that? Besides screw the French &
> >>> Germans, France couldn't wipe its way out of a
> >> wet
> >>> paper bag & Germany - well, we have wipe them
> >> before
> >>> &
> >>> we can do it again if they don't like what we
> >> are
> >>> doing. That why we keep Militery Bases in
> >> Germany &
> >>> Japan. If they act up, well stomp on them. You
> >> all
> >>> should know this stuff- Remember - Freedom is
> >> NOT
> >>> Free!!!!!! And War is ulgy!!! Its always best
> >> to
> >>> fight on some other country soil.
> >>>
> >>> As for the economy, Clinton lived off Reagon &
> >> Bush
> >>> Sr. economy policies & cut the CIA, FBI &
> >> military
> >>> budgets to make that surplus. Bush Jr. will fix
> >> the
> >>> mess that Clinton made. YOu should be thanking
> >>> Bush.
> >>> If you analyze economice over the last decade,
> >> you
> >>> would know this. LIke I said, you got to stop
> >>> hating
> >>> Bush and analyze these things. I don't hate
> >>> Clinton,
> >>> you a good old country boy who liked to party.
> >> He
> >>> party here in Arkansas, raise taxes, grew
> >> government
> >>> out of control, our supress court rule that our
> >>> Education system was unconstitutional. Now you
> >>> would
> >>> think with Clinton saying he was the Education
> >>> President, why did he leave Arkansas in such a
> >> mess.
> >>>
> >>> O'well, this is a waste of my time. Folks you
> >> have
> >>> to
> >>> analyze things for what they are, leave personal
> >>> feeling out of it. Do what best for our
> >> country!!!!
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>> Is Halliburton making a fortune? Yes! Has
> >> this
> >>>> stabilized the middle east?
> >>>> No! Has it made the US safer? No! Has it
> >> had a
> >>>> positive effect on gas
> >>>> prices? Yes, if you're an oil company. Has
> >> Bush
> >>>> spent his way to the
> >>>> highest deficit in history? Yes! Has it led
> >> to
> >>>> better US relations with
> >>>> ANY other country in the world? Yes, if
> >> you're
> >>>> Israel. Has this
> >>>> administration become a Fascist regime? Yes!
> >>>> (Fascism: When government is
> >>>> in bed with industry, when civil rights are
> >> taken
> >>>> away and the rule is by
> >>>> intimidation, threat and fear.) Is the war on
> >>>> terrorism best fought in Iraq
> >>>> (no connection to 9/11, but over 150,000
> >> troops)
> >>> or
> >>>> Afghanistan (confirmed
> >>>> connection to 9/11, but only 11,000 troops?)
> >> And
> >>>> speaking of connections to
> >>>> 9/11, why do we have this cozy relationship
> >> with
> >>>> Saudi Arabia? Could it
> >>>> be...um...the oil? Is it not the real Taliban
> >>>> training ground? Most of the
> >>>> hijackers were Saudis, Osama's a Saudi.
> >>> Hello????
> >>>> One week after 9/11,
> >>>> anyone with a Saudi passport was allowed into
> >> the
> >>>> US. Egyptian--No!
> >>>> Iranian--No! Moroccan--No! French--Kiss My
> >> Ass!
> >>>> Oh, but Saudis--no
> >>>> problem. Bring money!
> >>>>
> >>>> And does all this take Americans' minds off
> >> the
> >>>> domestic problems that Bush
> >>>> has worsened? He wishes!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> So I guess Geraldo didn't see the news today
> >> (Wed)
> >>>> from Fallujah, huh? I'm
> >>>> referring to the nine Americans killed in a
> >> raid
> >>>> where Iraqis dragged the
> >>>> burned and mutilated bodies behind cars and
> >> hung
> >>>> them up on a bridge. How's
> >>>> he gonna sugar-coat that one? Is THAT simply
> >>>> leftist reporting? A couple
> >>>> weeks ago Peter Jennings from ABC (Steve, some
> >> say
> >>>> ABC is too liberal, some
> >>>> say it's not liberal enough--but nobody says
> >> it's
> >>>> conservative) was on
> >>>> location in Iraq reporting on the state of
> >> affairs
> >>>> one year after the
> >>>> invasion. There was plenty of positive news,
> >> but
> >>> to
> >>>> suggest that the Dems
> >>>> are "nitpicking" for reporting stories like
> >> this
> >>> one
> >>>> from Fallujah is
> >>>> absurd. C' mon! Consider the source.
> >> Geraldo
> >>>> Rivera???!!! I'll take Al
> >>>> Franken's word over Geraldo's any day. Hell,
> >> I'd
> >>>> even take Rush Limbaugh's
> >>>> word over Geraldo's.
> >>>>
> >>>> But my real hero these days is Richard
> >>>> Clarke--tellin' it like it is!!!
> >>>> There's no getting around it--the incumbent
> >> has to
> >>>> go come November!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Slim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/31/04 6:58 PM, "ed kroposki"
> >>>> <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hey mark, check this out in scopes. It was
> >> just
> >>>> sent to me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The buildings that AREN'T burning in Iraq
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "They have a saying in the news business,"
> >>> Geraldo
> >>>> Rivera related this
> >>>>> week. "Reporters don't report buildings that
> >>> don't
> >>>> burn." And with that
> >>>>> introduction, he told a TV audience about
> >> the
> >>>> story that is being
> >>>>> systematically denied to our entire nation:
> >> the
> >>>> success story of
> >>>>> post-Saddam Iraq.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Are we losing some soldiers each week? Yes,.
> >> Is
> >>>> there some frustration
> >>>>> in the public about electricity and water
> >>> service?
> >>>> Yes. Are some Saddam
> >>>>> Hussein loyalists throughout the land,
> >> making
> >>>> trouble? Yes. Has this
> >>>>> opened a window for some terrorist mischief?
> >>> Yes.
> >>>> But that's ALL we
> >>>>> hear. No wonder the country is in a mixed
> >> mood
> >>>> about Iraq. If you hear
> >>>>> about the buildings that are not burning,
> >>> though,
> >>>> it is a different
> >>>>> story indeed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush. But
> >> Bush,
> >>>> Condi Rice and Colin
> >>>>> Powell together could not have been as
> >> effective
> >>>> as Geraldo was Thursday
> >>>>> night on the Fox News Channel's Hannity and
> >>> Colmes
> >>>> program.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "When I got to Baghdad, I barely recognized
> >> it,"
> >>>> he began, Comparing his
> >>>>> just-completed trip to two others he made
> >> during
> >>>> and just after the
> >>>>> battle to topple Saddam. "You have over
> >> 30,000
> >>>> Iraqi cops and militiamen
> >>>>> already on the job.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is four months after major fighting
> >>> stopped.
> >>>> Can you imagine that
> >>>>> kind of gearing up in this country? Law and
> >>> order
> >>>> is better;
> >>>>> archaeological sites are being preserved;
> >>>> factories, schools are being
> >>>>> guarded." But what about the secondhand
> >> griping
> >>>> that the media have been
> >>>>> so efficiently relating about power, water
> >> and
> >>>> other infrastructure?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is not
> >> true,"
> >>>> answered Rivera. "Iraq
> >>>>> is being built. There was no infrastructure
> >>>> before; we are doing it. I
> >>>>> just think the good news is being
> >> underestimated
> >>>> and underreported." At
> >>>>> this juncture, one must evaluate how to feel
> >>> about
> >>>> the voices telling us
> >>>>> only about the bad news in Iraq, whether
> >> from
> >>> the
> >>>> mouths of news anchors
> >>>>> or Democratic presidential hopefuls. At
> >> best,
> >>> they
> >>>> are underinformed. At
> >>>>> worst, their one-sided assessments of
> >>> post-Saddam
> >>>> Iraq are intentional
> >>>>> falsehoods for obvious reasons.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I hear one more person mock that "Mission
> >>>> Accomplished" banner
> >>>>> beneath which President Bush thanked a
> >> shipload
> >>> of
> >>>> sailors and Marines a
> >>>>> few months back, I'm going to spit. That was
> >> a
> >>>> reference to the ouster
> >>>>> of Saddam's regime, and that mission was
> >> indeed
> >>>> accomplished, apparently
> >>>>> to the great chagrin of the American left.
> >> No
> >>> one
> >>>> said what followed
> >>>>> would be easy or cheap, and that's why the
> >>>> dripping-water torture of the
> >>>>> cost and casualty stories is so infuriating.
> >>>> Remember we pay our
> >>>>> soldiers whether they are in Iraq or in Ft
> >>> Bragg,
> >>>> North Carolina. We
> >>>>> should all mourn the loss of every fallen
> >>> soldier.
> >>>> But context cries out
> >>>>> to be heard. Our present news media is not
> >>>> performing this task. As some
> >>>>> dare to wonder if this might become a
> >>> Vietnam-like
> >>>> quagmire, I'll remind
> >>>>> whoever needs it that most of our 58,000
> >> Vietnam
> >>>> war toll died between
> >>>>> 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an
> >> average
> >>> of
> >>>> about 8,000 per year.
> >>>>> That's about 22 per day, every day, for
> >>> thousands
> >>>> of days on
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Local elections are under way across Iraq,
> >>> Rivera
> >>>> reported. "Where Kurds
> >>>>> and Arabs have been battling for decades,
> >> things
> >>>> have been settling
> >>>>> down. Administrator Paul Bremer is doing a
> >> great
> >>>> job." So does Geraldo
> >>>>> think his media colleagues are intentionally
> >>>> painting with one side of
> >>>>> the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy
> >> theories,
> >>> but
> >>>> there's just more bang
> >>>>> for your buck when you report the GI who got
> >>>> killed rather than the 99
> >>>>> who didn't get killed, who make friends, who
> >>>> helped schedule elections,
> >>>>> who helped shops get open for business, who
> >>> helped
> >>>> traffic flow again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The vast majority of Iraqis are very happy
> >> to
> >>>> have us there. I would
> >>>>> like to see a bit more balance." This needs
> >> to
> >>> be
> >>>> reported to the
> >>>>> American Public who are presently being
> >> duped. I
> >>>> expect the dominant
> >>>>> media culture to nitpick and attack Bush,
> >> and
> >>>> Democrats to blast him
> >>>>> with reckless abandon. But when that leads
> >> to
> >>> the
> >>>> willful exclusion of
> >>>>> facts that would shine truthful light on the
> >>> great
> >>>> work of the American
> >>>>> armed forces, that level of malice plumbs
> >> new
> >>>> depths."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have a friend that is looking for the
> >>>> truth, pass this on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
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