Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
Bill Effros
bill at effros.com
Fri Apr 2 12:50:13 EST 2004
(To newcomers on the list. Steve has been on the list since Elton was in knickers. Steve's last name is Little. His name used to come through as "Little, Steve". I never noticed the comma, and thought that Little Steve was his nickname. I was surprised when he posted pictures of himself with his boat, and saw that he wasn't little at all.
(Steve has long held the position that the list must be stirred up from time to time so there will be a reason for the experienced Rhodies to keep coming back, day after day, able to answer technical questions with little thought of seeing many answers they haven't seen before.
(In this case his list strategy has clearly worked. We have seen posting by more people who were never heard from previously than any other thread I can remember. It's refreshing to hear the views of new people from all over the country. Thanks, Steve, you converted me to your position years ago, and you have again demonstrated why.)
Steve,
It seems to me you lost your Government Job a few years ago. As was noted previously, many of us right-wingers consider all Government jobs to be welfare for people who can't get real jobs, so your statement that you have never taken welfare leaves us unconvinced.
But, putting that aside, I don't remember you saying that you refused unemployment checks between government jobs. Did you refuse those checks? If paying people to not work isn't welfare, what is?
Your Yankee Friend, and Fellow R-22 Owner,
Bill Effros
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
Interesting Bill.
Yeah, I'm 6'5 175 & pretty much all muscle. Its not
that, I just don't like being a puss. As far as ideas
goes, I not seeing any below. Are you afried of
writting any of your ideas!!! Its like this, if you
have your hand in the welfare jar; then yes I can see
why you would want to be a libreal. You wouldn't want
to lose your free meal. But this country can't aford
to support all you people on welfare. You all talk
about the deficit - HAVE you ever seen a democrate
give up thier welfare check - But I bet that something
that would get a libreal fighting:-)
How that for new ideas, Bill. I'm just wondering, how
much welfare are you getting:-)
Steve
PS - I'm not getting any!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Mark,
>
> I kinda liked what you wrote. We don't see it that
> often coming from this side of the fence.
>
> When Steve runs out of ideas he starts attacking
> people personally. It's not pretty because he runs
> out of ideas early in the game.
>
> With regard to bullying, and standing up to people,
> Steve often forgets to mention that he's 6' 5" or
> something like that, and when he pushes in person,
> people are disinclined to push back. Email levels
> the playing field, and that is less to his liking.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Kaynor
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:56 PM
> Subject: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
>
>
> Dang. Just reread what I wrote. Sorry folks. I
> guess I let him get to me.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> Behalf Of Mark Kaynor
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:14 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> Rivera reports
>
>
> Steve,
>
> I remember 9/11 - in a pretty personal way, too.
> Some friends were lost at
> the Naval Operations Center at the Pentagon. The
> team had just relocated to
> their new offices. I was doing some work for the
> Navy at the time and was
> asked to compile a list of the relocations since
> our data was more up to
> date than the sources they had available at the
> time. As much as I am
> opposed to war, I was in favor of us going to
> Afghanistan to try and root
> out that evil.
>
> But Iraq is so NOT 9/11.
>
> Nobody ever said we should be "pusses". Not sure
> how saying "a lot more than
> 3000 people have died since 9/11" makes me a puss,
> but I guess that's your
> call.
>
> I can see how you thought what I wrote was funny.
> Particularly since you
> think I'm just a stupid liberal. Thanks for
> unimaginative, narrow minded,
> jingoistic, "balls to the walls" abusive
> "discussion" and name calling. Kind
> of reminds me of some of the other bullies I've
> known.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:00 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> Rivera reports
>
>
> Mercy Mark. Do you not remember 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!
> You
> have to fight to be free. You can't be a puss &
> expect this country to remain free. Freedom is
> not
> Free!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am wasting my time - You can
> take
> a mule to water; but you can't make it drink!!!!
> I
> guess that saying go also that you can show a
> person
> the information - But you can't keep them from
> being
> stupid!!!!!!!!!!! I bet you were one of those
> folks
> on the playground that ran to the teacher ever
> time a
> bully polk at you or made fun of you. Mercy, NO
> bully
> ever made fun of me & got away with it. Do you
> reallt
> think of lieing around with you head in the sand
> will
> make anyone be nice to you. No one respects a
> puss.
> The seene yesterday is a replay of Blackhaulk
> Down-
> The Terrorists think if they hit us Hard we will
> puss
> out. We have them by the balls now!!!! All we
> have
> to do is strick back even harder & the job will be
> all
> but done. That how you win a war. The other side
> never plays fair. This country is the only
> country on
> the plantet that plays fair. We have to hit them
> hard
> now & finish the job and the world will be a
> better
> place for it.
>
> Well, I have said my piece. It never suprised of
> some
> of the stuff that I read by the Libreal. Of
> course
> your fellow libreals may like you for it but think
> about it; being a puss is still being a puss - how
> can
> you respect yourself in the morning. At least you
> have Bush to thanks for still having the freedom
> to
> voice your opinion. If we ever lose one of these
> war;
> and a dirty bomb or mini nuke wipe us out by all
> these
> terrorists, what are you going to do them:-) It
> will
> be to late to understand your shortcoming
> them!!!!!!!
> Steve
>
> PS - The below did give me a good laugh:-)
>
> --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > Steve,
> >
> > "Think about it, if Clinton would have done what
> > Bush did, 3,000 people
> > would be alive now. You can't argue with that."
> >
> > See http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ - I guess you
> > must have meant "American
> > people". And who knows what would have happened
> if
> > Clinton had done what
> > Bush did? It could have incited even higher
> levels
> > of anti-Americanism and
> > more terrorist acts.
> >
> > And I love this sentiment - "If they act up,
> well
> > stomp on them." I wonder
> > why some of them don't like us?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> Behalf
> > Of Steve
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:49 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
> Rivera
> > reports
> >
> >
> > Slim
> > Let me help you with your answer below. I know
> you
> > Liberal are out there but you really need to
> stop
> > hating Bush and analyze the facts.
> >
> > The US needed a contractor, if not Halliburton,
> then
> > WHO? Halliburton is one of the biggest company
> in
> > the
> > world, operating in countries with offices all
> over
> > the world. The US can't contract with Billy Bob
> > Democrate if they are not big enough to handle
> the
> > job. Halliburton is hugh. All contractor have
> > audit
> > problems. Trust me, I work for the government;
> all
> > contractors get audit findings and when the
> auditors
> > find something; the problem is corected. Its
> normal
> > whether the contractor is Democrate or
> Republican.
> >
> > The US is safer; much safer. Remember, since
> 9/11,
> > we
> > haven't been hit on our own soil. Yes, thier
> > hitting
> > us oversea, Irag but thier hitting the military,
> NOT
> > citizens. We are keeping them pin down over
> there,
> > oversea. This is the smart things to do.
> Remember,
> > Clinton had 8 years, they attached the twin
> towers,
> > Our foreign embassies, the USS Cole and all
> Clinton
> > did was lob a few bombs at them. Think about
> it, if
> > Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000
> people
> > would be alive now. You can't argue with that.
> >
> > As for oil prices, This country has plenty of
> oil.
> > If
> > democrate would stop fighting and let the US
> pump
> > its
> > own oil, then gas would be under a $1 a gallon.
> You
> > can't blame that on Bush. Remember, up in
> Alaski
> > where only anamil is a polar bear & nothing else
> -
> > think about it - why don't we pump that out &
> use
> > it.
> > Its the Democrate that stop that. Funny thing
> is
> > that
> > the people in Alaski wanted the business up
> there.
> > Go
> > figure!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > As for US relation, remember we are the lone
> Super
> > Power, sometimes everbody is not going to like
> us.
> > Do we stop pushing our values, our fight for
> freedom
> > around the world, for rights for Women &
> children.
> > You would think that these are Democrate values.
> > Whats up with that? Besides screw the French &
> > Germans, France couldn't wipe its way out of a
> wet
> > paper bag & Germany - well, we have wipe them
> before
> > &
> > we can do it again if they don't like what we
> are
> > doing. That why we keep Militery Bases in
> Germany &
> > Japan. If they act up, well stomp on them. You
> all
> > should know this stuff- Remember - Freedom is
> NOT
> > Free!!!!!! And War is ulgy!!! Its always best
> to
> > fight on some other country soil.
> >
> > As for the economy, Clinton lived off Reagon &
> Bush
> > Sr. economy policies & cut the CIA, FBI &
> military
> > budgets to make that surplus. Bush Jr. will fix
> the
> > mess that Clinton made. YOu should be thanking
> > Bush.
> > If you analyze economice over the last decade,
> you
> > would know this. LIke I said, you got to stop
> > hating
> > Bush and analyze these things. I don't hate
> > Clinton,
> > you a good old country boy who liked to party.
> He
> > party here in Arkansas, raise taxes, grew
> government
> > out of control, our supress court rule that our
> > Education system was unconstitutional. Now you
> > would
> > think with Clinton saying he was the Education
> > President, why did he leave Arkansas in such a
> mess.
> >
> > O'well, this is a waste of my time. Folks you
> have
> > to
> > analyze things for what they are, leave personal
> > feeling out of it. Do what best for our
> country!!!!
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > Is Halliburton making a fortune? Yes! Has
> this
> > > stabilized the middle east?
> > > No! Has it made the US safer? No! Has it
> had a
> > > positive effect on gas
> > > prices? Yes, if you're an oil company. Has
> Bush
> > > spent his way to the
> > > highest deficit in history? Yes! Has it led
> to
> > > better US relations with
> > > ANY other country in the world? Yes, if
> you're
> > > Israel. Has this
> > > administration become a Fascist regime? Yes!
> > > (Fascism: When government is
> > > in bed with industry, when civil rights are
> taken
> > > away and the rule is by
> > > intimidation, threat and fear.) Is the war on
> > > terrorism best fought in Iraq
> > > (no connection to 9/11, but over 150,000
> troops)
> > or
> > > Afghanistan (confirmed
> > > connection to 9/11, but only 11,000 troops?)
> And
> > > speaking of connections to
> > > 9/11, why do we have this cozy relationship
> with
> > > Saudi Arabia? Could it
> > > be...um...the oil? Is it not the real Taliban
> > > training ground? Most of the
> > > hijackers were Saudis, Osama's a Saudi.
> > Hello????
> > > One week after 9/11,
> > > anyone with a Saudi passport was allowed into
> the
> > > US. Egyptian--No!
> > > Iranian--No! Moroccan--No! French--Kiss My
> Ass!
> > > Oh, but Saudis--no
> > > problem. Bring money!
> > >
> > > And does all this take Americans' minds off
> the
> > > domestic problems that Bush
> > > has worsened? He wishes!!!
> > >
> > > So I guess Geraldo didn't see the news today
> (Wed)
> > > from Fallujah, huh? I'm
> > > referring to the nine Americans killed in a
> raid
> > > where Iraqis dragged the
> > > burned and mutilated bodies behind cars and
> hung
> > > them up on a bridge. How's
> > > he gonna sugar-coat that one? Is THAT simply
> > > leftist reporting? A couple
> > > weeks ago Peter Jennings from ABC (Steve, some
> say
> > > ABC is too liberal, some
> > > say it's not liberal enough--but nobody says
> it's
> > > conservative) was on
> > > location in Iraq reporting on the state of
> affairs
> > > one year after the
> > > invasion. There was plenty of positive news,
> but
> > to
> > > suggest that the Dems
> > > are "nitpicking" for reporting stories like
> this
> > one
> > > from Fallujah is
> > > absurd. C' mon! Consider the source.
> Geraldo
> > > Rivera???!!! I'll take Al
> > > Franken's word over Geraldo's any day. Hell,
> I'd
> > > even take Rush Limbaugh's
> > > word over Geraldo's.
> > >
> > > But my real hero these days is Richard
> > > Clarke--tellin' it like it is!!!
> > > There's no getting around it--the incumbent
> has to
> > > go come November!!!
> > >
> > > Slim
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/31/04 6:58 PM, "ed kroposki"
> > > <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey mark, check this out in scopes. It was
> just
> > > sent to me.
> > > >
> > > > The buildings that AREN'T burning in Iraq
> > > >
> > > > "They have a saying in the news business,"
> > Geraldo
> > > Rivera related this
> > > > week. "Reporters don't report buildings that
> > don't
> > > burn." And with that
> > > > introduction, he told a TV audience about
> the
> > > story that is being
> > > > systematically denied to our entire nation:
> the
> > > success story of
> > > > post-Saddam Iraq.
> > > >
> > > > Are we losing some soldiers each week? Yes,.
> Is
> > > there some frustration
> > > > in the public about electricity and water
> > service?
> > > Yes. Are some Saddam
> > > > Hussein loyalists throughout the land,
> making
> > > trouble? Yes. Has this
> > > > opened a window for some terrorist mischief?
> > Yes.
> > > But that's ALL we
> > > > hear. No wonder the country is in a mixed
> mood
> > > about Iraq. If you hear
> > > > about the buildings that are not burning,
> > though,
> > > it is a different
> > > > story indeed.
> > > >
> > > > Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush. But
> Bush,
> > > Condi Rice and Colin
> > > > Powell together could not have been as
> effective
> > > as Geraldo was Thursday
> > > > night on the Fox News Channel's Hannity and
> > Colmes
> > > program.
> > > >
> > > > "When I got to Baghdad, I barely recognized
> it,"
> > > he began, Comparing his
> > > > just-completed trip to two others he made
> during
> > > and just after the
> > > > battle to topple Saddam. "You have over
> 30,000
> > > Iraqi cops and militiamen
> > > > already on the job.
> > > >
> > > > This is four months after major fighting
> > stopped.
> > > Can you imagine that
> > > > kind of gearing up in this country? Law and
> > order
> > > is better;
> > > > archaeological sites are being preserved;
> > > factories, schools are being
> > > > guarded." But what about the secondhand
> griping
> > > that the media have been
> > > > so efficiently relating about power, water
> and
> > > other infrastructure?
> > > >
> > > > "To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is not
> true,"
> > > answered Rivera. "Iraq
> > > > is being built. There was no infrastructure
> > > before; we are doing it. I
> > > > just think the good news is being
> underestimated
> > > and underreported." At
> > > > this juncture, one must evaluate how to feel
> > about
> > > the voices telling us
> > > > only about the bad news in Iraq, whether
> from
> > the
> > > mouths of news anchors
> > > > or Democratic presidential hopefuls. At
> best,
> > they
> > > are underinformed. At
> > > > worst, their one-sided assessments of
> > post-Saddam
> > > Iraq are intentional
> > > > falsehoods for obvious reasons.
> > > >
> > > > If I hear one more person mock that "Mission
> > > Accomplished" banner
> > > > beneath which President Bush thanked a
> shipload
> > of
> > > sailors and Marines a
> > > > few months back, I'm going to spit. That was
> a
> > > reference to the ouster
> > > > of Saddam's regime, and that mission was
> indeed
> > > accomplished, apparently
> > > > to the great chagrin of the American left.
> No
> > one
> > > said what followed
> > > > would be easy or cheap, and that's why the
> > > dripping-water torture of the
> > > > cost and casualty stories is so infuriating.
> > > Remember we pay our
> > > > soldiers whether they are in Iraq or in Ft
> > Bragg,
> > > North Carolina. We
> > > > should all mourn the loss of every fallen
> > soldier.
> > > But context cries out
> > > > to be heard. Our present news media is not
> > > performing this task. As some
> > > > dare to wonder if this might become a
> > Vietnam-like
> > > quagmire, I'll remind
> > > > whoever needs it that most of our 58,000
> Vietnam
> > > war toll died between
> > > > 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an
> average
> > of
> > > about 8,000 per year.
> > > > That's about 22 per day, every day, for
> > thousands
> > > of days on
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Local elections are under way across Iraq,
> > Rivera
> > > reported. "Where Kurds
> > > > and Arabs have been battling for decades,
> things
> > > have been settling
> > > > down. Administrator Paul Bremer is doing a
> great
> > > job." So does Geraldo
> > > > think his media colleagues are intentionally
> > > painting with one side of
> > > > the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy
> theories,
> > but
> > > there's just more bang
> > > > for your buck when you report the GI who got
> > > killed rather than the 99
> > > > who didn't get killed, who make friends, who
> > > helped schedule elections,
> > > > who helped shops get open for business, who
> > helped
> > > traffic flow again.
> > > >
> > > > "The vast majority of Iraqis are very happy
> to
> > > have us there. I would
> > > > like to see a bit more balance." This needs
> to
> > be
> > > reported to the
> > > > American Public who are presently being
> duped. I
> > > expect the dominant
> > > > media culture to nitpick and attack Bush,
> and
> > > Democrats to blast him
> > > > with reckless abandon. But when that leads
> to
> > the
> > > willful exclusion of
> > > > facts that would shine truthful light on the
> > great
> > > work of the American
> > > > armed forces, that level of malice plumbs
> new
> > > depths."
> > > >
> > > > If you have a friend that is looking for the
> > > truth, pass this on.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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