Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports

Steve rhodes2282 at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 5 10:47:07 EDT 2004 

Mark
Protesting this war when we have freed a country. 
Stop the killing of inconsist poeple, stop the daily
raping of women.  No one want war; but it's war that
keep us free.  Its' all those missile we have that
keep other countries from attaching us.  Its all our
ships that show up on a country doorstep to help out
when a country get out of hand & we bring them back in
line.  These are the thinks that make this country
GREAT.  That something to be proud of.  
Steve


--- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> 
> "Of course the people don't want war. But after all,
> it's the leaders of the
> country who determine the policy, and it's always a
> simple matter to drag
> the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
> dictatorship, or a
> parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
> voice, the people can
> always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
> That is easy. All you have
> to do is tell them they are being attacked, and
> denounce the pacifists for
> lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to
> greater danger."
> -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf
> Of Steve
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:20 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> Politics Geraldo Rivera
> reports
> 
> 
> Come on Wally, your hassing old new.  No WMD,then
> what
> did Saldam kill all those poeple with when he used
> chemical weapon on them.  What is this, are there
> only
> liberals on this list.  Most people, (note based on
> the polls) support the war in Irag.  Its only the
> loud
> mouth liberals that are complaining so much. 
> However,
> when you factor in the liberal networks & the fact
> that liberal never reasearch for themselfs, you know
> why they are so misinformed.
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Steve the Analyst,
> >
> > Have you ever considered that there are
> > conservatives against attacking
> > Iraq? Can you expand your mind to separate issues
> or
> > do you just lump them
> > all into one? Is it at all possible that we could
> > have achieved better
> > results by some other means than attacking Iraq?
> >
> > So maybe we attacked to fight terror against the
> US.
> > Oops no link to 911
> > with Iraq (or the Cole, or the blowing up of US
> > Embassies). Well maybe we
> > attacked because they had WMD. Oops no WMD found.
> > Well maybe we attacked to
> > reduce terror globally. Try telling that to Spain.
> > Well maybe we attacked
> > because we wanted to be involved with nation
> > building. Oops didn't W have a
> > big speech saying he was against using our Armed
> > Forces for nation building?
> > You also say we are at war; actually neither side
> > has declared war.
> >
> > Maybe if we hang around a few more years we can
> cram
> > freedom down their
> > throats. This has worked so well for us in the
> past.
> > What little good we
> > have achieved in Iraq has not been worth the cost.
> > Try to use your best
> > analytical skills and do a cost analysis of the
> > gains. Look at what we spent
> > and compare it to what we get back in return.
> >
> > Do you have any understanding of the history of
> the
> > area? Up until this
> > weekend the resistance in Iraq has come from the
> > Sunnis. Even though Saddam
> > was a Sunni they are actually much more "open
> > minded" than the Shiites
> > (sic?). The Shiites are the old school Muslims and
> > true fundamentalist. They
> > only recognize the earliest teachings of the Koran
> > and think that the
> > liberal Sunnis are heathens. Think Iran in the
> early
> > 80s; it was the Shiites
> > that took over the US Embassy. Now the Shiites are
> > unified enough to start
> > attacks against our forces. The only thing the
> > Shiites and the Sunnis have
> > in common is their hatred of the US. The Kurds
> don't
> > have much use for us
> > either but they think it is still in their best
> > interest to lay off the US
> > forces. If something comes down that they don't
> like
> > they will start blowing
> > up our guys as well.
> >
> > I was watching FOX this weekend and was fascinated
> > to hear how the falling
> > dollar is helping to drive up the cost of oil. I
> was
> > happy to learn that
> > economics classes I took in the 70s still have
> > merit. They discussed how
> > supply and demand and the strength of the dollar
> > have everything to do with
> > the cost of imported goods. I guess you know
> better
> > huh? I am also guessing
> > you just love FOX news right? LOL
> >
> > I am not sure if the numerous errors in your posts
> > are supposed to just rile
> > the list or if you just don't have a grasp of the
> > facts. I know you will
> > counter with claims that I am liberal and bring up
> > some more nonsense about
> > fishing. Things are a little more complex than
> that
> > and perhaps beyond your
> > understanding.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: stan <stan at rhodes22.com>,The Rhodes 22 mail
> > list
> > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > >reports
> > >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Stan
> > >If the US does not help people in need; who
> will???
> > >Saldam was using Chemical weapon on his people.
> > Some
> > >country needed to go in there and clean that mess
> > up.
> > >We went in to Somila for a whole lot less of a
> > reason.
> > >  It's not making them our mold.  Remember, they
> > wrote
> > >thier own Constituation.  Women now have the
> right
> > to
> > >vote.  Girl are being allowed to go to school.
> > >Surely, these things are something that the
> > liberals
> > >see are a good thing.  I know there is no way to
> > >change the liberal way of thinking.  Like the old
> > >saying goes; give a man a fish-feed him for a
> day;
> > >teach him to fish-feed him for life.  The bad
> thing
> > >about this country, to many people are standing
> in
> > >line all day waiting on someone to give them a
> > fish.
> > >What we are doing in Irag is teaching them to
> fish.
> >  I
> > >know that the liberal way of thinking will never
> > agree
> > >to this.  But people need to stop thinking about
> > >themselves & realize all the good we are doing
> for
> > >them.  Yes solider are dieing-It's a war.  BUT
> THE
> > >GOOD, OUTWEIGHTS THE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >--- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > > > sorry, I am back in town
> > > >
> > > > Rummy, how did you get so smart?   Webtender,
> > rum
> > > > all around.  And an extra
> > > > round for Wally for reminding us that the USA
> > was
> > > > not put on earth to force
> > > > all other cultures into our mold.  Oh, and
> water
> > > > Ed's down for asking anyone
> > > > to not bother him by doing their responses to
> MM
> > off
> > > > list.
> > > >
> > > > stan/gbi
> > > >
> > > > PS: Rhodies, stop picking on Tom.  While we
> are
> > > > probably at opposite ends of
> > > > the polls (in the booth), he is one of the
> > nicest,
> > > > most experienced Rhodies
> > > > we have and should be encouraged to move
> beyond
> > his
> > > > nautical contributions.
> > > >
> > > > OK, so I can't stop:  It is crazy to leave the
> > list
> > > > because you don't like
> > > > the political banter.  Reminds  me of my
> workers
> > > > who, when I attempt to
> > > > cover an area beyond their narrow job, say, I
> > don't
> > > > need to know that.  And
> > > > I say how did you get that big arm muscle and
> > they
> > > > say, by using it.  And I
> > > > suggest they will get the same kind of growing
> > by
> > > > using their head (just
> > > > look how well it has been working for Todd).
> > For
> > > > those who feel they don't
> > > > need the broader growth this list brings, the
> > > > founding fathers did come up
> > > > with the idea of subject titles for the delete
> > > > button.  It is just that I am
> > > > afraid that more and more of the worlds'
> > exploding
> > > > population will be taking
> > > > the "I don't need to know that" approach to
> what
> > is
> > > > going on in the world -
> > > > until the world comes to a stop.  And they all
> > can
> > > > get off.  .
> > > >
> > > > stan/gbi
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:01 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> > > > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > > > reports
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Steve,
> > > > > While one is a member of the military,
> > protesting
> > > > against the war you are
> > > > > fighting is frowned upon. (suggestions of
> > > > dishonorable discharge, prison,
> > > > etc.) I
> > > > > also served in Vietnam, came home and
> > protested
> > > > against the war. We never
> > > > > should have been there in the first place,
> but
> > I
> > > > did my duty, served my
> > > > country
> > > > > and lived through it. I exercised my
> > > > constitutional right to protest our
> > > > > involvement in Vietnam and so did the
> majority
> > of
> > > > the people that went
> > > > there. Kerry
> > > > > is not alone in his beliefs. It was the
> > continued
> > > > protests that eventually
> > > > > ended our involvement. I see a day when
> > protests
> > > > against our involvement
> > > > in Iraq
> > > > > may accomplish the same thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rummy
> > > > >
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