[Rhodes22-list] More politics

Mark Kaynor mark at kaynor.org
Mon Apr 5 14:22:31 EDT 2004 

Steve,

Finally we agree on something! Stopping rape and killing is a good thing!
And I don't disagree that our military strength helps keep us safe. Wow!
Maybe I'm actually a closet conservative! Or, even better, maybe you're a
closet liberal!

And if we can stop rape and killing in Iraq it's even better! There's oil
there! Now, let's see - Rwanda? Naw, no oil. Haiti? Oops! No oil! Burundi?
Dang. No oil again! Slovenia? Oops! All of these had plenty of rape and
killing at one time or another, but there's no freaking oil! Good thing we
had the good old United Nations to cover for us on some of them.

Don't get me wrong, Steve. I believe this is a great country and I strongly
believe that it is our responsibility as the world's sole remaining super
power to do what we can to further cause of freedom - including the freedom
to not be raped or killed, whether by some despotic regime, a mob of
genocidal maniacs, or a bunch of cold hard terrorist crazies. However, I
think it's a bit disingenuous to say that's why we went to Iraq when there
have been so many other oil-free hot spots around the world we haven't
chosen to invade.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:47 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: RE: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera
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Mark
Protesting this war when we have freed a country.
Stop the killing of inconsist poeple, stop the daily
raping of women.  No one want war; but it's war that
keep us free.  Its' all those missile we have that
keep other countries from attaching us.  Its all our
ships that show up on a country doorstep to help out
when a country get out of hand & we bring them back in
line.  These are the thinks that make this country
GREAT.  That something to be proud of.
Steve


--- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
>
> "Of course the people don't want war. But after all,
> it's the leaders of the
> country who determine the policy, and it's always a
> simple matter to drag
> the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
> dictatorship, or a
> parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
> voice, the people can
> always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
> That is easy. All you have
> to do is tell them they are being attacked, and
> denounce the pacifists for
> lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to
> greater danger."
> -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf
> Of Steve
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:20 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> Politics Geraldo Rivera
> reports
>
>
> Come on Wally, your hassing old new.  No WMD,then
> what
> did Saldam kill all those poeple with when he used
> chemical weapon on them.  What is this, are there
> only
> liberals on this list.  Most people, (note based on
> the polls) support the war in Irag.  Its only the
> loud
> mouth liberals that are complaining so much.
> However,
> when you factor in the liberal networks & the fact
> that liberal never reasearch for themselfs, you know
> why they are so misinformed.
> Steve
>
>
>
> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Steve the Analyst,
> >
> > Have you ever considered that there are
> > conservatives against attacking
> > Iraq? Can you expand your mind to separate issues
> or
> > do you just lump them
> > all into one? Is it at all possible that we could
> > have achieved better
> > results by some other means than attacking Iraq?
> >
> > So maybe we attacked to fight terror against the
> US.
> > Oops no link to 911
> > with Iraq (or the Cole, or the blowing up of US
> > Embassies). Well maybe we
> > attacked because they had WMD. Oops no WMD found.
> > Well maybe we attacked to
> > reduce terror globally. Try telling that to Spain.
> > Well maybe we attacked
> > because we wanted to be involved with nation
> > building. Oops didn't W have a
> > big speech saying he was against using our Armed
> > Forces for nation building?
> > You also say we are at war; actually neither side
> > has declared war.
> >
> > Maybe if we hang around a few more years we can
> cram
> > freedom down their
> > throats. This has worked so well for us in the
> past.
> > What little good we
> > have achieved in Iraq has not been worth the cost.
> > Try to use your best
> > analytical skills and do a cost analysis of the
> > gains. Look at what we spent
> > and compare it to what we get back in return.
> >
> > Do you have any understanding of the history of
> the
> > area? Up until this
> > weekend the resistance in Iraq has come from the
> > Sunnis. Even though Saddam
> > was a Sunni they are actually much more "open
> > minded" than the Shiites
> > (sic?). The Shiites are the old school Muslims and
> > true fundamentalist. They
> > only recognize the earliest teachings of the Koran
> > and think that the
> > liberal Sunnis are heathens. Think Iran in the
> early
> > 80s; it was the Shiites
> > that took over the US Embassy. Now the Shiites are
> > unified enough to start
> > attacks against our forces. The only thing the
> > Shiites and the Sunnis have
> > in common is their hatred of the US. The Kurds
> don't
> > have much use for us
> > either but they think it is still in their best
> > interest to lay off the US
> > forces. If something comes down that they don't
> like
> > they will start blowing
> > up our guys as well.
> >
> > I was watching FOX this weekend and was fascinated
> > to hear how the falling
> > dollar is helping to drive up the cost of oil. I
> was
> > happy to learn that
> > economics classes I took in the 70s still have
> > merit. They discussed how
> > supply and demand and the strength of the dollar
> > have everything to do with
> > the cost of imported goods. I guess you know
> better
> > huh? I am also guessing
> > you just love FOX news right? LOL
> >
> > I am not sure if the numerous errors in your posts
> > are supposed to just rile
> > the list or if you just don't have a grasp of the
> > facts. I know you will
> > counter with claims that I am liberal and bring up
> > some more nonsense about
> > fishing. Things are a little more complex than
> that
> > and perhaps beyond your
> > understanding.
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: stan <stan at rhodes22.com>,The Rhodes 22 mail
> > list
> > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > >reports
> > >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >Stan
> > >If the US does not help people in need; who
> will???
> > >Saldam was using Chemical weapon on his people.
> > Some
> > >country needed to go in there and clean that mess
> > up.
> > >We went in to Somila for a whole lot less of a
> > reason.
> > >  It's not making them our mold.  Remember, they
> > wrote
> > >thier own Constituation.  Women now have the
> right
> > to
> > >vote.  Girl are being allowed to go to school.
> > >Surely, these things are something that the
> > liberals
> > >see are a good thing.  I know there is no way to
> > >change the liberal way of thinking.  Like the old
> > >saying goes; give a man a fish-feed him for a
> day;
> > >teach him to fish-feed him for life.  The bad
> thing
> > >about this country, to many people are standing
> in
> > >line all day waiting on someone to give them a
> > fish.
> > >What we are doing in Irag is teaching them to
> fish.
> >  I
> > >know that the liberal way of thinking will never
> > agree
> > >to this.  But people need to stop thinking about
> > >themselves & realize all the good we are doing
> for
> > >them.  Yes solider are dieing-It's a war.  BUT
> THE
> > >GOOD, OUTWEIGHTS THE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >Steve
> > >
> > >--- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > > > sorry, I am back in town
> > > >
> > > > Rummy, how did you get so smart?   Webtender,
> > rum
> > > > all around.  And an extra
> > > > round for Wally for reminding us that the USA
> > was
> > > > not put on earth to force
> > > > all other cultures into our mold.  Oh, and
> water
> > > > Ed's down for asking anyone
> > > > to not bother him by doing their responses to
> MM
> > off
> > > > list.
> > > >
> > > > stan/gbi
> > > >
> > > > PS: Rhodies, stop picking on Tom.  While we
> are
> > > > probably at opposite ends of
> > > > the polls (in the booth), he is one of the
> > nicest,
> > > > most experienced Rhodies
> > > > we have and should be encouraged to move
> beyond
> > his
> > > > nautical contributions.
> > > >
> > > > OK, so I can't stop:  It is crazy to leave the
> > list
> > > > because you don't like
> > > > the political banter.  Reminds  me of my
> workers
> > > > who, when I attempt to
> > > > cover an area beyond their narrow job, say, I
> > don't
> > > > need to know that.  And
> > > > I say how did you get that big arm muscle and
> > they
> > > > say, by using it.  And I
> > > > suggest they will get the same kind of growing
> > by
> > > > using their head (just
> > > > look how well it has been working for Todd).
> > For
> > > > those who feel they don't
> > > > need the broader growth this list brings, the
> > > > founding fathers did come up
> > > > with the idea of subject titles for the delete
> > > > button.  It is just that I am
> > > > afraid that more and more of the worlds'
> > exploding
> > > > population will be taking
> > > > the "I don't need to know that" approach to
> what
> > is
> > > > going on in the world -
> > > > until the world comes to a stop.  And they all
> > can
> > > > get off.  .
> > > >
> > > > stan/gbi
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:01 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> > > > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > > > reports
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Steve,
> > > > > While one is a member of the military,
> > protesting
> > > > against the war you are
> > > > > fighting is frowned upon. (suggestions of
> > > > dishonorable discharge, prison,
> > > > etc.) I
> > > > > also served in Vietnam, came home and
> > protested
> > > > against the war. We never
> > > > > should have been there in the first place,
> but
> > I
> > > > did my duty, served my
> > > > country
> > > > > and lived through it. I exercised my
> > > > constitutional right to protest our
> > > > > involvement in Vietnam and so did the
> majority
> > of
> > > > the people that went
> > > > there. Kerry
> > > > > is not alone in his beliefs. It was the
> > continued
> > > > protests that eventually
> > > > > ended our involvement. I see a day when
> > protests
> > > > against our involvement
> > > > in Iraq
> > > > > may accomplish the same thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rummy
> > > > >
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