[Rhodes22-list] Steve needs Insight for political comments

[Michael Meltzer]

you know some thing guys(girls), I been watching this for a few weeks now and a few random thought.

1)I ride into work with state troopers on the train. Some times they even bring the dogs(which makes even more sense)

2)Their is company of troops at grand central, 24x7 these days, side arms and m16, The bulky pouches the they are wearing are gas
masks

3)their are jerry barriers around everything these days, some build have better taste and are using connect planters, at least the
followers are coming out.

4)the NYC swat teams are out, see them at the subway entries, general 3 out of 5 days for the last month.

5)everytime I go to services the "moon lighting officer" directing traffic has been replaced with 3-4 sqadcars and the towns swat
team in reserve(BTW I am with wife and children mostly), Local ROTC has become the ushers

6)Sister finished her shift in the pentagon 7 hours before being hit, she due to spend the summer in Iraq.

7)I watched the tower burn, was talking to people on the cantor desk who never made it out, rode out the mess intown.

8)My nephew is in Israel for the summer

9)My own job, industry and payscale are highly effected by outsourcing.

10)I read and react to more news source everyday then I suspect most people, it would cost 2000$ a month to deprecate the
information.

11) My kids play at the Memorials daily, allot who die did not have family's of their own and the money was put into the parks.

Now the part that's going to get every one pissed off. As far as the economy is going there is not anything more bush could have
done, The interest rate are at 58 year lows, the tax cuts, bending over for business and even a war. That how you solve a recession
in the US. Right now, the GDP is in 4-5% increase range, and year over year average pay is up 1.8%(the Mcjob bit). The business
cycle has not been repealed and bush came into office in a downturn(401k become 201k), Guys their was a real market crash when 911
froze everything(3/4 of the GDP is people spending). Right now Europe is in big trouble(except England), after years of being in the
toilet they are revising down the growth rates from 1.6 percent, They are really sweating a "double dip". Now you want to complaint
about bush. go ahead, it seems to be a bashing  thing, any thing to get the guy. It to the point like the old Russian days, "if you
do not follow the party line you must be crazy and sent away to a mental hospitable" that and the "Intercultural gambit" to talk
down to people like they do not know. This list has done both to Steve(and Steve has come on to strong in return, maybe a chicken
and egg thing who was first). But their is few facts here, very little objectify, it seems only to be zealots options to strengthen
their cause(like get bush).

You know what would be interesting would be the old debate team trick of switching sides, maybe that would give some fresh insight,
Steve defends the liberal side and ed(Stan) become a conservative, now not halfhearted but seeing the merits of the other side and
feel the position with the same passion.

what some folder:
1)the current hearings(does anyone believe bush would have ignored a real warning, or al their finding is the "Cover your ass"
statements that was in everything generated at the time)

2)The lost of 1.8(or is it 1.5 after the last report) job loss thing from bush coming to office, I thought in anought fact, we need
to generate 115k of jobs every month to support the echo of baby boom.

3)You feel safer(I give bill a break here, he going thought the same shit as me), how has it really effected you.

4)Iraq, it getting down to become more ruthless or pulling you, I suspect more ruthless thought proxy after June 31.


MJM







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
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Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:24 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Steve needs Insight for political comments


> Steve,
>
>     1.  I commented because of the total number of political posts with
> your name.
>
>     2.  Back in the cold war days, the communist used the 'Big Lie'
> propaganda technique.  Tell a lie often and violently and some will
> believe it.  Let us assume your arguments are valid, then why take
> yourself down to their method?  At least Brad Haslett used to support
> your point of view with reasoned logic and not overdo it.  Before you
> reply, go back and study all of his political posts.  Then wait until
> the political conventions to blow off steam, or until someone makes a
> comment worthy of reply.
>
>     3.  As far as I know, you are not required to read others political
> comments or jokes.  I think some others make posts to get to you.
>
>                  Ed K
>
>
>
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