[Rhodes22-list] Monty was Mark's political

Steve Alm salm at mn.rr.com
Fri Apr 23 18:03:55 EDT 2004 

Rik,

The Montgomery 15 was my first boat.  We loved it!  I sold it to a guy who
later had some damage and repair to the port side like you described.
That'd be too weird if you have my former M15.  The boats name was
Moondance, IIRC hull # 402.  The guy I sold it to is Cal Spooner.

Naturally, they have an e-mail list like us.  Some pretty knowledgeable
sailors, esp. a gentleman named Connie.  He's sort of their Roger.  8-)

Good luck with it!

Slim

On 4/23/04 4:15 PM, "Rik Sandberg" <sanderico at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Wally,
> 
> M-15 is coming pretty good. Didn't really have too much to do to get
> sailable. Mostly just a good scrubbing, a little polish, a little tung
> oil...I'm sure you know the drill. :-). I got a new rudder from Bob Eeg
> that I still need to put on, but that's not going to take long, just one
> bolt and a couple screws. Probably take about 20 minutes, once I finally
> get to it. :-)
> 
> It may be a bit before I can make the boat really pretty though. I have to
> do some serious fairing on the port side, where it appears to have been
> tied up against something pretty rough on a windy day. The PO smeared some
> stuff on it and painted over it and I guess, from a distance it isn't real
> obvious if you don't know it's there. Up close though, that patch of hull
> (about 1 foot high and 2 feet long) looks like hell. But then, I guess
> that's why it was cheap, eh??? That'll wait till I get ambitious in the
> winter. "Course, once I do that, I'll have to paint the whole hull. Other
> than that, she's a pretty cool little boat.
> 
> Rik
> 
> 
> At 03:35 PM 4/23/2004, you wrote:
>> Rik, I agree we need to finish the job. No doubt that both sides are full
>> of it.  I also agree that this is a perfect example of the pot calling the
>> kettle black. I don't respect many on either side.
>> 
>> Previous post (from Ed I think) indicated he thought Clinton's scandals
>> were worse than Bush leading us to war. I just don't get this line of
>> thinking.
>> 
>> By the way how is that M15 coming along?
>> 
>> Wally
>> 
>>> From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mark's political instigation aggravated
>>> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:04:28 -0500
>>> 
>>> Wally,
>>> 
>>> Excuse me, but there are many Democrats here and elsewhere that have
>>> accused our President of lying about the situation with WMD in Iraq. I
>>> posted those quotes, all from Democrats BTW, to show that there were
>>> plenty of liars out there from both sides,,,,,or not. The Democrats all
>>> jumping up to call the President a liar now is a perfect example of the
>>> pot calling the kettle black.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Whether we should have gone there or not, it seems to me, is a moot point
>>> now. We are there, we need to finish the job as best we can.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 09:23 AM 4/23/2004, you wrote:
>>>> I for one felt the attack on Iraq was wrong regardless of WMD. I agree
>>>> that they had them at one time. However we don't know if they still
>>>> exist or not inspite of our attack. The below quotes don't sway my opinion.
>>>> 
>>>> Times are tough when the conservatives have to use quotes from the
>>>> liberals to help make their case. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Wally
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mark's political instigation aggravated
>>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:44:12 -0500
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take a read here guys, then maybe talk about who is BSing who in regards
>>>>> to
>>>>> WMDs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rik
>>>>> ______________________________________________________
>>>>> I ran across this recently and found it very good reading.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you really believe that President BUSH lied,THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY
>>>>> WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ AND HE TOOK US TO WAR SOLELY FOR
>>>>> HIS OIL
>>>>> BUDDIES -- The truth and nothing but the truth should be known!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
>>>>> develop
>>>>> weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our
>>>>> bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
>>>>> 
>>>>> "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
>>>>> We
>>>>> want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
>>>>> destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great
>>>>> deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
>>>>> nuclear,
>>>>> chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
>>>>> security threat we face." -Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
>>>>> 
>>>>> "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
>>>>> since 1983." -Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb,
>>>>> 18,1998
>>>>> 
>>>>> "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
>>>>> Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
>>>>> appropriate,air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
>>>>> effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of
>>>>> mass
>>>>> destruction programs." -Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl
>>>>> Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
>>>>> destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he
>>>>> has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy
>>>>> Pelosi (D,
>>>>> CA), Dec. 16, 1998
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
>>>>> destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton
>>>>> Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
>>>>> 
>>>>> "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
>>>>> programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
>>>>> continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
>>>>> continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover
>>>>> of a
>>>>> licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will
>>>>> threaten the
>>>>> United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by
>>>>> Sen. Bob
>>>>> Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
>>>>> 
>>>>> "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
>>>>> threat
>>>>> to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated
>>>>> of the
>>>>> United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means
>>>>> of
>>>>> delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
>>>>> 
>>>>> "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
>>>>> weapons
>>>>> throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
>>>>> deter
>>>>> and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
>>>>> power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
>>>>> 
>>>>> "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
>>>>> developing
>>>>> weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
>>>>> 
>>>>> "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
>>>>> confident
>>>>> that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological
>>>>> weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his
>>>>> chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports
>>>>> indicate
>>>>> that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3,
>>>>> 2002
>>>>> 
>>>>> "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
>>>>> authority to
>>>>> use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
>>>>> that a
>>>>> deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and
>>>>> grave threat to our security." -Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
>>>>> 
>>>>> "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
>>>>> aggressively to
>>>>> develop nuclear weapons an d will likely have nuclear weapons within
>>>>> the next
>>>>> five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the
>>>>> progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -
>>>>> Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
>>>>> 
>>>>> "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
>>>>> every
>>>>> significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
>>>>> chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
>>>>> refused to do" Rep.- Henry Waxman (D, CA) , Oct. 10, 2002
>>>>> 
>>>>> "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
>>>>> that
>>>>> Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
>>>>> stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
>>>>> also
>>>>> given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda
>>>>> members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein
>>>>> will
>>>>> continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,
>>>>> and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary
>>>>> Clinton (D,
>>>>> NY), Oct 10, 2002
>>>>> 
>>>>> "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
>>>>> Saddam
>>>>> Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity
>>>>> for the
>>>>> production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob
>>>>> Graham (D,
>>>>> FL), Dec. 8, 2002
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
>>>>> murderous
>>>>> dictator, leading an oppressive regime .. He presents a particularly
>>>>> grievous
>>>>> threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now
>>>>> he
>>>>> is is cal culating America's response to his continued deceit and his
>>>>> consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of
>>>>> Saddam
>>>>> Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real - Sen. John F. Kerry (D,
>>>>> MA), Jan. 23. 2003
>>>>> 
>>>>> SO NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY
>>>>> WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES???
>>>>> 
>>>>> So who's bullshitting who here????
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 22 2004 10:18 am, Steve wrote:
>>>>>> I still find it funny that the below comments still
>>>>>> come up.  We still don't know what happen to Iraq
>>>>>> WMDs.  We know he made missles that were cabible of
>>>>>> going past the UN limit.  Warheads were cabable of
>>>>>> carring chemical agents. That 20+ tons of Mustard gas
>>>>>> that Libia gave up may be Irag.  We are still finding
>>>>>> Jets & all other kinds of stuff hid under the sand in
>>>>>> Irag.  UN thought Iraq had WMDs, Briton, US and most
>>>>>> of the free world thought Irag had them.  I believe
>>>>>> the real question is not whether Iraq had WMDs but
>>>>>> WHERE are the WMDs!  Sylia, Iran? Two very good
>>>>>> possibities!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As for Nation Building, when a country such as our
>>>>>> looses 3,000 people; a President must change, policy
>>>>>> must change; to protect the people that are still
>>>>>> alive.  Otherwise, the US would have had more Deaths
>>>>>> on it hands.  And the President would have been blamed
>>>>>> for NOT changeing policies to protect this country.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had a great weekend sailing last weekend also.
>>>>>> Perfect wind, some fairly good wave action.  It was
>>>>>> even white capping most of the day Saturday.
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The answer to your questions are easy, I am just not
>>>>>>> sure why people care so
>>>>>>> much. Yes there is a sucker born every minute! It is
>>>>>>> clear that Clinton lied
>>>>>>> to cover up his sucker. The guy got caught messing
>>>>>>> around and lied about it.
>>>>>>> Not exactly uncommon in our society or from our
>>>>>>> elected officials. Please
>>>>>>> note I did not vote for Clinton and agree the guy
>>>>>>> was sleezy.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On the other hand we have a sitting president that
>>>>>>> claimed while running for
>>>>>>> office that he was against Nation Building. Once
>>>>>>> elected he spread around a
>>>>>>> bunch of rumors as facts leading us into war against
>>>>>>> a nation that posed no
>>>>>>> real threat to our National Security. This pisses me
>>>>>>> off much more.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regarding the Baker's, they are clowns and are only
>>>>>>> here for us to make fun
>>>>>>> of. :-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We had an awesome weekend last week! More of the
>>>>>>> same coming this weekend. I
>>>>>>> hope someone else besides me is going sailing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mark's political
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> instigation aggravated Date: Wed,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 21 Apr 2004 15:10:16 -0400
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>>>   If you like the what she says then surely you
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> believed Bill when he
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> said "I did not ................................."
>>>>>>>>   What did that famous circus guy say, "one born
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> every day and two to
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> take him."  You have found your two.  And I bet you
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> sat in the front row of
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jim Baker's audiences.
>>>>>>>>   And if Bill is as smart as Rummy's email says he
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> is, how come he
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> does not know right from wrong?  Or the complete
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> definitions of everyday
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> terms.  Why is it acceptable for him to define
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> words to suit himself and
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> then all the national news media accepts his
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> definition as correct?  Is
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> intelligence or an old fashion 'con job'.
>>>>>>>>   And, according to Rummy's email, Bush is not smart
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> enough to 'con'
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> us :-) :-(
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ~~~~~ _/) ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>                               Ed K
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark Kaynor
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:37 PM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> instigation aggravated
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This oughtta do it. I just watched Hillary Clinton
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> on Larry King Live. I
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> keep finding that I like what she has to say.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:35 PM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> instigation aggravated
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> good point, I am not getting any, so why not bring
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> up sex, thats different.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> MJM
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:35 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> instigation aggravated
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ed, Rummy,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <Yawn> <Ho hum> How about bringing up something
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> controversial? <g>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of ed kroposki
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:41 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> instigation aggravated
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>     I would suggest that your data is biased.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Let me change the subject
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> a more controversial one, Religion:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DID YOU KNOW
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As you walk up the steps to the
>>>>>>>>> building which houses the
>>>>>>>>> U.S.  Supreme Court you can see
>>>>>>>>> near the top of the building a row of the
>>>>>>>>> world's law givers and each one
>>>>>>>>> is facing one in the middle who
>>>>>>>>> is facing forward with a full frontal
>>>>>>>>> view - it is Moses and he is holding the Ten
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Commandments!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DID YOU KNOW?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As you enter the Supreme Court
>>>>>>>>> courtroom, the two huge oak doors
>>>>>>>>> have the Ten Commandments engraved
>>>>>>>>> on each lower portion of each door.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DID YOU KNOW?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As you sit inside the courtroom, you can
>>>>>>>>> see the wall, right above where the
>>>>>>>>> Supreme Court judges sit, a display of the Ten
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Commandments!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DID YOU KNOW?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There are Bible verses etched in stone
>>>>>>>>> all over the Federal Buildings
>>>>>>>>> and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DID YOU KNOW?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> James Madison, the fourth president,
>>>>>>>>> known as "The Father of Our Constitution"
>>>>>>>>> made the following statement
>>>>>>>>> "We have staked the whole of
>>>>>>>>> all our political institutions upon the
>>>>>>>>> capacity of mankind for self-government,
>>>>>>>>> upon the capacity of each and all of us
>>>>>>>>> to govern ourselves, to control ourselves,
>>>>>>>>> to sustain ourselves according to the Ten
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Commandments of God."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DID YOU KNOW?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Patrick Henry, that patriot and
>>>>>>>>> Founding Father of our country said,
>>>>>>>>> "It cannot be emphasized too strongly
>>>>>>>>> or too often that this great nation was
>>>>>>>>> founded not by religionists but by Christians,
>>>>>>>>> not on religions but on the
>>>>>>>>> Gospel of Jesus Christ."
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DID YOU KNOW?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Every session of Congress begins with
>>>>>>>>> a prayer by a paid preacher,  whose
>>>>>>>>> salary has been paid by the
>>>>>>>>> taxpayer since 1777.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DID YOU KNOW?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the
>>>>>>>>> Constitution were members of
>>>>>>>>> the established orthodox churches
>>>>>>>>> in the colonies.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> DID YOU KNOW?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thomas Jefferson worried that
>>>>>>>>> the Courts would overstep their
>>>>>>>>> authority and instead of interpreting
>>>>>>>>> the law would begin making
>>>>>>>>> law....an oligarchy....the rule of few over
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> many.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ed K (throwing gas on Rummy's wood fire)
>>>>>>> 
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