[Rhodes22-list] Block Island

Sat Aug 28 22:20:04 EDT 2004

saw the ferry enought, both new london and montak, talk about powerboats, thier was a 130 monster a few boat away from us. brand new
not a scratch on anything(inclucing anchors, chaf guards, etc..). Now that was a boat :-).

She did fine, outbound, 15 gusting to 25, 5 foot sea after the point, spent most of the time on a single reef. the boat not blue
water. Inboand was a pain, it was only 15 knots winds but the couse was pretty close to windard and the crop from the currents had
her pounding, ended up tacking just to quearter the waves, she a little to full up frount. Ended up motoring most of the night just
to advoid the waves and because of the tight lanes. after 5 days I will tell you hot water is great, a good stove and room for 5 is
nice. 1200 pounds keel keep her on her feet 18hp desial worked flawless. Down side thier seat cushsions suck and it can wat ride if
it gets rought, also the jusrry is still out on the rudder balance(tracking).

MJm

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:03 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Block Island

Get a power boat?

Drive to New London and take the ferry?

Take the train to New Haven and fly?

How do you like your boat?

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Meltzer
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Consulting

just got up from a nap. just did 18 hours inbound to do the race right, 2 pm to 7am, pounding to windward all the way, cold and wet
at 4am stucks, I want a polit house :-) 4 days on block island is enought.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Consulting

I thought you were gone for a week.  Did you stick around to protest?

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Meltzer
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Consulting

The problem is only 200+- people might be interested, if you get 200 people to put up 100$ each that should do it, I would download
the mail archive(it come zipped up) and the FAQ, the editor job would be to form the questions from both and than have stan form any
answer for each, 20$ per answers, 15,000 for the first 750 answers and 5000$ to put it together and edit it. ?

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 10:38 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Consulting

Lou,

Stan is in the business of building and rebuilding boats.  That's how he earns his living.  Every time he helps people on this list
for free he hurts his business.  There is no money in it for him to try to compete with West Marine in the portlight and caulk
selling business.

As you have discovered, the cumulative wisdom of people on this list is not always correct.  If he were business smart, Stan would
let competing boat rebuilders spend a lot of time and money messing up their boats to the point where they would come on the list
and say "Don't make all the mistakes I have made--buy your boat from Stan!"  But that's not who he is, and we all know it.

We also know that most of the people who ask for free advice or "borrow" his intellectual property don't see the harm in what they
are doing.  My question to you and others is how can we pay Stan for the services he provides?  I'm sure everyone sees the value in
this, but no one has proposed a fair method short of buying boats from him.

I know people who earn a living consulting on how to apply the methods I describe in my book, How to Sell Your Home in 5-Days.  I
have no problem with that, as long as they always make it clear that what I had to say is in the book, and that I don't endorse
either them, or what they have to say.

People pay $100 an hour to get advice over the telephone, and $5,000 for someone to come to their homes while they are in the
process.  Would you pay Stan for the advice he now gives for free?  Would you pay someone else on the list?  Would others?  Would
you pay Stan to do all the things you now must ask him how to do?  Would you pay others?

When Stan goes, all this knowledge goes.  If there is no money in Stan's business, no one will continue it when Stan tires of it.
We are 200+ people with a vested interest in maintaining this knowledge base.  Every time one of our more active members moves on to
another boat or another hobby we lose information and the ability to correct misinformation.

Our FAQ information is great but conflicting.  Newcomers want to get it from the horse's mouth.  They don't want to sort out a lot
of conflicting opinions.  They simply want to know the right way to do things.

Somebody must pay the price for this.  Who will it be?  What is a fair method?

Bill Effros

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lou Rosenberg
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] port light replacements

  Thanks Ed,
  I am replacing the portlights ( side windows) .
  Still hoping to hear from Stan/gbi when he's available.
  Lou

On Friday, August 27, 2004, at 09:36 PM, ed kroposki wrote:

> Lou,
> Who were you referring to?
>
> On replacing lights, there are some experienced Rhodies out there whose
> advice will be better than mine.  So while you are waiting for their
> replies
> consider the following:
>
>
> http://www.orcagreen.com/
>
> http://www.superbrightleds.com/1157.htm
>
> http://www.davisnet.com/marine/products/marine_product.asp?pnum=3310
>
> Ed K
>
>
>   Stan was right AGAIN folks!
>
>   My boat is doing fine, I have removed a leaky portlight and need to
> find replacement frames for the old style ('81 boat) any suggestions???
> thanks everyone.
>   Lou
> you have got to learn to listen to god.
>
>
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