[Rhodes22-list] Steve's respect, and health care costs

[Roger Pihlaja]

I second Lloyd's sentiments.  The election is over.  If you can't behave
yourselves, take it off-line.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloyd" <lcrowther at cox.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steve's respect, and health care costs


> Gentlemen (and ladies)
>
> Some of us on the list are capable of deciding for ourselves who is right
or
> wrong (in our opinion).  We also are able to determine if somebody can
spell
> or not ( I'm in the latter camp).  This abuse or other Rhodes22 owners
> (i.e., your stupid, your an A**hole, etc.) is most offensive to those of
us
> who joined this forum to interact with fellow Rhodies as civilized adults
> and to share sailing experiences, jokes, tall tales, and boating
knowledge.
> In my humble opinion you are spoiling a very valuable resource with your
> egotistical tirades.  What was once an adult meeting place for fellowship
> has been so degraded by personal attacks on one another and other people
> with whom you disagree that I fear it will never return to what attracted
> sailors who respected their peers to join in the "good old days".
>
> Lloyd
> s/v Uhuru II
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Steve's respect, and health care costs
>
>
> > Steve wrote:
> > > ...
> > > Spelling/grammer mean nothing.  Being a conservative
> > > is what counts.  Your high & mighty liberalism is a
> > > thing of the past.  Spelled right or not!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Perhaps you are right, under the current counter-
> > intellectual administration.  "If you ain't for me,
> > you're agin me" is very much in vogue.
> >
> > What you are calling "conservative" was called liberal
> > a couple of decades ago.  I believe that what you
> > call "conservative" today is what we called "robber
> > barony" in the past.  I would hardly call a president
> > or party that acts like a drunken sailor in a whorehouse
> > "conservative".  Remember, Steve, that nothing lasts
> > forever, not even power or political position.
> >
> > While it is comfortable to parrot the political polemics
> > of the prominent party, I will wager that your position
> > will change over time.
> >
> > > ...
> > > As long as the Republican are in power; it's not a
> > > problem.  The Republican made the first surpluss and
> > > we will fix the mess the Democrats made undeer
> > > Clinton.
> >
> > Opinions differ on those points.  Nearly 50% of voters
> > disagree.  That is not exactly a consensus.
> >
> > > Once again, you have missed the point on Health Care.
> > > The problem is in Tort Reform.  That will fix Health
> > > Care costs.  Your are trying to talk around the issue.
> > >  You CAP settlements and all the costs related to
> > > liability claims will lessen health care costs.  And
> > > if people were smarter and research thier doctors;
> > > there wouldn't even be a need in all these lawsuits.
> >
> > 1. I think the problem is wider than tort reform.  Very
> > few things are that simple.
> >
> > 2. Information about doctor's failures, mistakes, etc.
> > is all but impossible to obtain.  Research is all but
> > impossible.
> >
> > > No the cost of drugs is not being ignored.  If you had
> > > any brains at all you would know that Bush has
> > > implementated a Prescription Drug plan for Medicare.
> > > And most states / public & private plans are
> > > implementating Evident Based Drug Provision in there
> > > packages offered to employees.  The drastic rise in PD
> > > is being fixed.
> >
> > Why do you insult me?  You destroy any validity your
> > comments might have.  Why not stick to the facts, and
> > label opinion as such?
> >
> > As to drug costs, we are a long way from a fix.  It is
> > not as simple as a small government plan that addresses
> > a small fraction of the population.  We need to figure
> > out a way to keep the old drugs that work available in
> > the marketplace, keep the cost of new drugs as low as
> > Canada, and get flu vaccine to people reliably.
> >
> > > Your other comments are simple bullshit.  The cost of
> > > denial of preventative health care.  The nothinbg but
> > > a Liberal scare comments that means NOTHING.  If it
> > > got deny; then it wasn't needed.  Preventative Health
> > > Care is being paid and not being denied.  Just Liberal
> > > crap!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > As it turns out, there are several lawsuits in the courts
> > which concern themselves with improper denial of claims.
> > In addition, there are few insurance policies which
> > provide complete preventative care.  The grand majority
> > of policies are reactive rather than proactive, especially
> > those available to individuals not covered under groups.
> > To say that the insurance companies are above reproach
> > is a bit optimistic.  They are "for profit", aren't they?
> >
> > > You are totally WRONG.  Tort Reform will fix the
> > > problem.
> >
> > An assertion, not a fact.  You are entitled to your
> > opinion.  I don't share it.
> >
> > > Look who it trying to reinvent the wheel.  You are
> > > trying to bring on a whole new case of lawsuit.  When
> > > a service is order as medically necessary; it must be
> > > order by a Doc.  So that accountability can be
> > > estiblish in cases of fruad.
> >
> > Wake up.  PAs are already in many practices, and are
> > already helping to control costs.  There is no greater
> > risk of malpractice lawsuits, it appears.  We just need
> > to keep moving in that direction.
> >
> > Robert Skinner
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