[Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner blasts officials

[Roger Pihlaja]

Bill,

#1, pirates are known to frequently kill their victims so there are no
witnesses.  Therefore, Sir Peter Blake probably thought he had nothing to
lose by attempting to defend himself.

2nd, the argrument re the 2nd amendment and government oppression is a
theoretical one.  Do you think that human nature has significantly changed
since the late 18th century when the Bill of Rights was written?  In only
about 12 generations, have humans "evolved" into a better species.  Or, is
it more likely that humans in positions of governmental authority are just
as greedy and power hungry as ever and the 2nd amendment has worked so well
that folks like you are now willing to dismiss the original arguments for it
as "tripe".  Are you really that elitist and liberal or are you just
incredibly naive?  Good grief man!  Open up your eyes and see the world the
way it really is.  Fortunately, we both live under a constitution where this
discussion is possible.  You may think my beliefs are tripe and I think you
haven't got a clue, but I'll defend to the death your right to believe as
you do.

3rd, I believe I stated my primary reason for keeping a gun loaded & readily
accessible around the house was for home & family protection.  As I stated
above, the 2nd amendment has worked so well at curbing XS government
oppression that the theory has not & I believe will not ever be tested  as
long as widespread gun ownership is permitted in the United States.

Saroj,

In the United States, keeping a gun on board while cruising would be
considered carrying a concealed weapon.  In most states, assuming you have
no criminal record, it's not difficult to obtain a CCW permit.  You would
have to take a class and pass a test.  The classes are frequently offered at
shooting sports clubs and thru gun shops.  The classes are very useful.
They will teach you about gun safety, gun laws, and how to properly and
safely shoot your gun.

Legally cruising with a gun on board in other countries is much more
problematic.  Basically, there are a different set of rules whereever you go
& the answer in most places is, "Not no way - Not no how!"

If you are going to keep a gun on board in a salt water environment,
consider getting a gun in stainless steel or titanium.  For about 15-20%
more money over blued carbon steel, many models of handguns are offered in
corrosion resistant alloys.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Alm" <salm at mn.rr.com>
To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner blasts officials


> C'mon, Bill, go easy on the poor girl.  I'd guess that something she would
> want to defend on a 22 ft. boat would be her family.  If Sir Peter Blake
had
> known that they were only after trinkets and the dinghy, there might not
> have been gunfire.  Hindsight is 20-20.  But you don't know what their
> intentions are ahead of time.  Certainly there is a time NOT to shoot and
> that's where good solid training and education come into play.
>
> Slim
>
> On 1/24/04 4:11 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
> > Saroj,
> >
> > Don't do it the way Sir Peter Blake did it.  When pirates boarded his
boat
> > anchored at the mouth of the Amazon he went for his gun, and they killed
him.
> > The other 9 crew members lived.  The pirates took some watches and a
dinghy.
> >
> > What possession could you possibly have on a 22 foot Rhodes sailboat
that is
> > worth your life?
> >
> > As I read this tripe, Roger says he needs his gun to protect himself
from his
> > own government; Rik needs his because he lives in a bad neighborhood;
now you
> > seem to fancy yourself as a middle aged female defender of the high
seas.
> >
> > What's wrong with you?
> >
> > I can make a case for gun ownership, but you are making a very strong
case
> > against it.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Saroj
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner blasts officials
> >
> >
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > I would like to turn this conversation to ways and means of storing and
> > using guns while cruising. We hope to do that extensively in the future.
> > Want to know how to manage it.
> >
> > Saroj
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Skinner" <robert at squirrelhaven.com>
> > To: "Saroj" <saroj at pathfind.net>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prosecuted homeowner blasts officials
> >
> >
> >> Saroj wrote:
> >>> I'm with you on this one...
> >>> For myself, I'm planning to learn to shoot
> >>> a hand gun, rifle and shotgun...
> >>
> >> May I offer a few words of advice?
> >>
> >> I'd start with a pump scatter gun with the
> >> shortest legal barrel and pistol grip rather
> >> than shoulder stock.
> >>
> >> Reasons?
> >>
> >> If you use a pump, the sound of the action is
> >>      generally enough to clear the area.
> >>
> >> The configuration of short barrel and pistol
> >>      grip looks quite ready for serious close
> >>      action business...
> >>
> >> The sight of a big hole in the end of a weapon
> >>      tends to reduce the chance of an argument.
> >>
> >> Shotguns (esp. short barrel) make a BIG noise.
> >>      Your warning shot cannot be mistaken for
> >>      a welcome.  And other than some damage to
> >>      wallboard and siding, it is a cheap way
> >>      to prevent legal consequences.
> >>
> >> These factors may (hopefully) result in a
> >>      bloodless and rapid retreat of the intruder,
> >>      and no problems with paperwork and
> >>      bureaucrats after the fact.
> >>
> >> Otherwise:
> >>
> >> Shotgun requires least accuracy under pressure.
> >>      The decision to cause massive injury or
> >>      death in another human is stressful, if
> >>      not paralyzing.  Anyone would tend to be
> >>      up tight defending their home.
> >>
> >> Small to medium size shot generally doesn't
> >>      penetrate walls and injure neighbors, etc.
> >>      Minimal collateral damage is a good thing.
> >>
> >> If you have trouble with the recoil from a 12
> >>      gauge, a 16 or 20 gauge also works.  But
> >>      generally, the bigger, the better -- more
> >>      noise, bigger hole, and more pellets.
> >>
> >> In any case, congratulations on your decision to
> >> undertake a citizen's responsibility to learn how
> >> to exercise your rights.
> >>
> >> Very respectfully,
> >> Robert Skinner
> >>
> >
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