[Rhodes22-list]reply to comment on mast hoist on Rhodes 22

[Rik Sandberg]

Ed and Doug,

Certainly can't speak for everybody, or absolutely every system, but the R22's 
mast raising system is about the least bulky mast raising system I have seen. 
Not sure how one could make it much smaller and still make the needed 
leverage.

Rik


On Thu, Jul 01 2004 03:50 pm, ed kroposki wrote:
> Doug:
>
> Have you noticed that this guy (?) be it nick (?), Vic (?), mike (?) who
> refuses to sign and then calls the crane system bulky when he has never
> seen or used it.  He comes from the middle of Minnesota and someone in that
> part of the country needs to invite him to see the boat and mast hoist
> system. He needs to touch it so he understands what is involved.
>
> Ed K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Gardner, Douglas
> (LNG-DAY)
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:04 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] raising mast on Rhodes 22
>
> FWIW,
>
> This GB system uses the lower shrouds to raise the mast, and the upper
> shrouds and other set of lower shrouds to stabilize it. (Is that what you
> mean when you talk about the "mini stays?")
>
> The system is sized to raise the IMF mast, which is much heavier than the
> standard mast.  Not only is the extrusion much larger, but the main and
> genoa are both raised with the mast.  I haven't weighed it, but my guess is
> that the load is at least double what you would have if you raised a
> standard mast alone.
>
> So... I'd caution against using a much lighter system to raise an IMF mast
> without doing the engineering to make sure you don't overload any
> component. If you are raising a standard mast... well, let's just say I've
> seen a lot of folks with 25' boats do it by having their wives pull on the
> jib halyard from in front of the boat while they step it by hand.
>
> Now, the system could probably be redesigned to be less bulky and still be
> as strong.  Sounds like an interesting project.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Business
> International Group, LLC
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:27 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] raising mast on Rhodes 22
>
>
> I saw the photos and it certainly looks stable but very bulky.  If you use
> mini stays on the mast which allow the mast to rotate forward and prevent
> it from going sideways, you can have a much more compact pole, fast and
> easy to take along in case you need to lower the mast under low bridges.
>
> on 7/1/04 8:23 AM, ed kroposki at ekroposki at charter.net wrote:
> > Nic (vic?)(you never sign)
> >
> > With the Rhodes 22 there is a mast hoist system that is much more
> > than a gin pole.  It is a balanced system mounted to the cabin top.  It
> > is based on the principle of a gin pole, but it is secured to the cabin
> > top (base) and has a line to the front deck cleat.  It uses the two back
>
> inside
>
> > stays to actually hoist the mast with the poles descending movement.  The
> > other six stays act as guides and stabilizing support while raising and
> > lowering.  The current version of the system is quite safe and efficient.
> > One person can raise and lower the mast without dropping the mast on his
> > head.  This can be done on the water or on the trailer!
> > However, according to Stan caution should still be used.
> >
> > Ed K
> > R22 South Carolina
> > ~~~~~~~ _/) ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > In remembrance, Rummy may he sail in peace.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Business
> > International Group, LLC
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:32 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] raising mast on Rhodes 22
> >
> > Are you saying you actually bought a mast hoise?? I'm thinking about the
> > small crane like devices marinas use to hoist a mast.  Ever think about
> > using a Gin pole instead.  That way you're not limited to one location
> > unless somehow your hoist is moveable.
> >
> > on 6/29/04 8:19 AM, Dennis Narehood at dennis_narehood at att.net wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Stan suggested I ask the list and try to contact Jay Friedland.
> >>
> >> I got a recycled Rhodes 22 in August last year.  Love it.  Taking down
> >> the mast was a disaster.  We tried to do it manually and I dropped it on
> >
> > my
> >
> >> head.
> >>
> >> We bought a mast hoist In January and I almost have the boat repaired
> >> and back in shape. (Waiting for plastic shims for the spreaders ).
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there anyone in Barnegat bay area around Toms river that could check
>
> my
>
> >> work and guide me through raising the mast using the hoist system?
> >> Thanks
> >> Dennis
> >>
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