[Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements

[Steve Alm]

Bill,

So what's a guy to do?  Are you saying that I have no other options than to
trailer my boat all the way to Edenton (there's the first problem--I'll
probably kill myself or someone else in the process)  so that Stan can
adjust my trailer to fit my boat--all boats being a little different?  If
Stan himself doesn't do the work, I'm opening myself up to hellish
consequences?  

Honestly, Bill, I'm not trying to be an argumentative PITA here--but I need
to get my trailer fixed and I'm not going to pull it to GBI.  As much as I'd
like to, that's just not an option.  I need to be able to put my faith in a
reputable shop in MN with realistic specs and get this job done.  It can't
be that hard--can it?

I bought the Rhodes because it's supposed to be a trailerable rig. At this
point, mine is simply not, and I don't mind saying I'm more than a little
disappointed.  I love sailing the R22 but if I can't solve this problem I
don't want it.  It's not safe!

Slim


On 7/26/04 8:30 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Slim,
> 
> If you are reading these in order you saw Stan gave his blessing to those
> repairing and building their trailers.  As always, he is very generous in
> these matters.  Also I have dozens of postings wherein Stan has suggested
> methods for moving the center of gravity to improve the trailer for individual
> boats.
> 
> My original reply to Herb was primarily for newer members of the list who may
> not have thought through this matter, and its ramifications.  Herb responded
> generously multiple times.  That was all I was asking.  Thank you, Herb.
> 
> With regard to using an engineer as a lawyer, I would strongly urge against
> it.  If you honestly believe you can take a full set of plans for a Ford, that
> you received from a third party, and take them to Toyota, and have Toyota
> build you just one Ford for your personal use and eventual sale to an
> unwitting fourth party...you could wind up in jail before you get back to
> Brazil.  Patent law would be the least of your problems--there are dozens of
> laws on the books prohibiting this activity.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Alm 
> To: Rhodes 
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I hope you don't feel badly of me for asking, but speaking as one of those
> who has had a great deal of trouble with my trailer, just exactly how
> intellectual is this property?  After all, mine is a lemon.
> 
> Having not purchased my boat and trailer from GBI, I have no certainty
> whatsoever if Stan put his stamp of approval on my rig before it left the
> shop so I know better than to point fingers--but the fact remains that I
> have to rebuild my trailer.  Last year, when I posted my complaints, even
> Stan said I need to have my axle moved.  This is no small modification.
> 
> Now, I'd like nothing more than to bring the boat and trailer to Stan and
> ask him to fix it for me, but I live in MN.  There must be a better option.
> If I had the correct specs, I'd take the rig to a qualified shop here at
> home and have them do the work.  I'm not qualified to do this kind of work
> myself so I need some help, i.e., specs to give to the shop that does the
> work.
> 
> Thank you, Roger, for reminding us of the legalities of this.  If I have
> this work done here in MN and then something goes dreadfully wrong, I won't
> be liable--the shop that does the work will be the target of any litigation.
> I'm certainly not going into production and sales of R22 trailers--I just
> want mine to work.
> 
> Slim
> 
> On 7/26/04 11:31 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> 
>> Herb,
>> 
>> I'm an author who earns a living off my intellectual property.  I think it's
>> wrong for people to buy what I've written, make a copy, and send the copy to
>> their friends without paying me for my work.
>> 
>> Stan spent a lot of time and money developing these trailers.  Anyone can
>> look
>> at them, say "that's a good idea" and copy the concept, and modify their own
>> trailer, or have someone else build one--to their own specifications.
>> 
>> But to ask people on the list to measure the trailers they have bought from
>> Stan, and to send you the measurements, so you can build your own trailer, or
>> teach someone else how to build these trailers, without paying Stan for his
>> intellectual property, is wrong, in my view.
>> 
>> I'm sure that is not what you were thinking when you asked the question, and
>> I
>> do not think badly of you for asking it.  This has come up many times before,
>> and I only sometimes respond in this way.
>> 
>> But I do think it's wrong, and I haven't said anything about it for a while.
>> 
>> By the way,  there have been people who extended your idea of "send me the
>> trailer measurements," to "why not copy and sell the whole boat"--let me
>> borrow your boat, I'll make molds from it, we'll make our own exact copies of
>> the boat, we'll sell them and split the profit--if we don't have to pay
>> anything for R&D we can easily sell them for less than Stan can sell them
>> for.
>> 
>> Essentially that's what you're trying to do in the trailer department, in my
>> view.
>> 
>> Bill Effros
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Herb Parsons
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Cc: bill at parsonsys.net
>> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:44 AM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Measurements
>> 
>> 
>> I saw on here that someone had posted information about the trailer
>> measurements for a Rhodes 22. I assume this was bunkboard settings and such.
>> I
>> thought I had saved the original email, but could not find it. If someone has
>> that information, I would be grateful if you could pass it on to me. The
>> Rhodes 22 we are trying to set up a trailer for is a 1983 model. Thanks in
>> advance.
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