[Rhodes22-list] 20 Knots Of Wind With Full Sail? I Don't Think So!

Steve rhodes2282 at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 15 06:19:39 EST 2004


Roger
I must agree - you need a new boat:-)Note Roger, I'm
not talking about keeping the boat at 20 degree heel
here.  
Steve


--- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net> wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> 
> Now I realize Dynamic Equilibrium is a 1976 Rhodes
> 22 & therefore several
> hundred pounds lighter than newer & more luxuriosly
> equipped models.  In
> addition, I also have a fully battened mainsail & a
> 150% bi-radial
> construction genoa made from a dacron, mylar, and
> kevlar composite
> sailcloth.  Both of my sails will maintain optimum
> sailshape far better than
> any of the standard OEM sails.  It's been my
> experience that reefing needs
> to follow the following approximate schedule of wind
> speeds:
> 
> Apparent Wind                                       
>   Sailing Style
> Speed (knots)    Point of Sail   Passive Mode      
> Active Mode
> 0 - 12                       All            150% +
> FMS        150% + FMS
> 
> Tri-Radial Spinnaker Recommended
> 
> On Points Of Sail > 65 deg Apparent
> 
> (More Downwind Than Close Reach)
> 
> 12 - 15                    Beat           150% + 1
> Reef    150% + FMS +
> "Active Control"
>                                                    +
> Crew On Rail     + Crew
> On Rail
> 
> 15 - 17                    Beat          125% + 1
> Reef     135% + 1 Reef +
> "Active Control"
>                                                   +
> Crew On Rail     + Crew
> On Rail
> 
> 15 - 20                    Beat          110% + 2
> Reefs    125% + 2 Reefs +
> "Active Control"
>                                                   +
> Crew On Rail     + Crew
> On Rail
> 
> 12 - 15                   Reach         150% + FMS  
>      150% + FMS +
> "Active Control"
>                                                   +
> Crew On Rail     + Crew
> On Rail
> 
> Tri-Radial Spinnaker An Option
> 
> On Points Of Sail => 80 deg
> 
> 15 - 20                   Reach         150% + 1
> Reef     150% + FMS +
> "Active Control"
>                                                   +
> Crew On Rail     + Crew
> On Rail
> 
> Tri-Radial Spinnaker An Option
> 
> On Points Of Sail => 100 deg
> 
> But Some Danger Of Broaching
> 
> 20 - 25                   Reach         150% + 2
> Reefs    150% + 1 Reef +
> "Active Control"
>                                                    +
> Crew On Rail    + Crew
> On Rail
> 
> 25 - 30                   Reach         125% + 2
> Reefs    150% + 2 Reefs +
> "Active Control"
>                                                    +
> Crew On Rail     + Crew
> On Rail
> 
> Some Danger Of Broaching
> 
> 12 - 15             => 110 deg      150% + 1 Reef   
>   150% + FMS + "Active
> Control"
>                  More Downwind     + Crew On Rail   
>  + Crew On Rail
>                 Than Broad Reach
> Tri-Radial Spinnaker Recommended
> 
> 15 - 20            => 110 deg      150% + 2 Reefs   
>  150% + 1 Reef +
> "Active Control"
>                                                   +
> Crew On Rail     + Crew
> On Rail
> 
> Tri-Radial Spinnaker An Option
> 
> But Some Danger Of Broaching
> 
> 20 - 25            => 110 deg      125% + 2 Reefs   
> 135% + 2 Reefs +
> "Active Control"
>                                                   +
> Crew On Rail     + Crew
> On Rail
> 
> Tri-Radial Spinnaker An Option
> 
> But Increasing Danger Of Broaching
> 
> NOTES:
> XXX% = Size Of Roller Furling Genoa
> FMS = Full Main Sail
> Y Reefs = Main Sail With Y Number Of Reefs
> Active Control = Constant sail trim adjustments &
> course changes to take
> full advantage of wind shifts,
>                               (i.e. gusts, lulls,
> headers, lifts, etc),
> currents, and waves
> 
> I measure apparent wind speed & direction on board
> Dynamic Equilibrium with
> an Airguide Model 919 handheld anemometer/bearing
> compass.  This very clever
> device gives both an apparent wind speed and compass
> bearing.  It's been my
> experience that without this measurement, I tend to
> grossly overestimate the
> wind speed.
> 
> Unless you are strictly speaking about downwind
> sailing, I strongly doubt
> any of your boats can carry full sail up to 20+
> knots of wind.  Get an
> anemometer, show me your data while sailing upwind,
> & then I'll believe.
> Until then - BULLSHIT!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new
> genny????
> 
> 
> > Wally
> > Just wondering how you are sheeting your headsail
> in
> > heavy wind.  In 20+ wind, heading upwind, I sheet
> > headsail very tight.  Adjust your genona track so
> you
> > spill a little at the top.  Even in a gust, I
> never
> > dump the headsail; only the main.  You can dump
> the
> > main to where it is backwinding from the headsail
> but
> > maintain the same speed due to the increase in
> wind
> > speed. Also, if you happen to round up, as long as
> the
> > headsail is still set with main completely dumped,
> > when the boat comes back; the headsail will start
> to
> > bite & quickly gain your momentom back.
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > My boat must be light or something. At 20
> heading
> > > upwind my 125 is furled to
> > > keep me off the rail and I am fighting a 30
> degree
> > > heel.  Most likely the
> > > boom is lowered halfway as well. I like exciting
> > > sails as much as anyone and
> > > more than most. Too bad you can't try sails out
> and
> > > return them like clothes
> > > that don't quite fit!
> > >
> > > Still have an open mind .....
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > > >From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new
> > > genny????
> > > >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:04:45 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Twice in one day.
> > > >
> > > >Again, Wally, I agree with Rummy.  I rarely
> furl
> > > below 20 knots.  I sail
> > > >the boat upright with minimum heel.  I
> generally
> > > sail alone.  The 175 makes
> > > >it very easy to come about.  I adjust sail
> sizes to
> > > keep the boat well
> > > >balanced.  When I'm sailing in crowded harbors
> I
> > > reduce the size of the 175
> > > >so I can see the traffic better.
> > > >
> > > >Bill Effros
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:18 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new
> > > genny????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Wally,
> > > >When you furl depends a lot on your style of
> > > sailing and how much ballast
> > > >(people weight) you have with you. When alone,
> I
> > > never furl until the winds
> > > >gust
> > > >above 20 knots. Below that and I'm comfortable.
> The
> > > 175 is an awesome sail.
> > > >Besides looking good, it is an excellent
> performer
> > > in lite air as Bill
> > > >mentioned. By the way, I think this is one of
> the
> > > first times anyone has
> > > >agreed with me
> > > >on the list.....I appreciate your support Bill.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Rummy
> > >
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