[Rhodes22-list] 20 Knots Of Wind With Full Sail? I Don't Think So!
Roger Pihlaja
cen09402 at centurytel.net
Sat Mar 13 08:35:41 EST 2004
Gentlemen,
Now I realize Dynamic Equilibrium is a 1976 Rhodes 22 & therefore several
hundred pounds lighter than newer & more luxuriosly equipped models. In
addition, I also have a fully battened mainsail & a 150% bi-radial
construction genoa made from a dacron, mylar, and kevlar composite
sailcloth. Both of my sails will maintain optimum sailshape far better than
any of the standard OEM sails. It's been my experience that reefing needs
to follow the following approximate schedule of wind speeds:
Apparent Wind Sailing Style
Speed (knots) Point of Sail Passive Mode Active Mode
0 - 12 All 150% + FMS 150% + FMS
Tri-Radial Spinnaker Recommended
On Points Of Sail > 65 deg Apparent
(More Downwind Than Close Reach)
12 - 15 Beat 150% + 1 Reef 150% + FMS +
"Active Control"
+ Crew On Rail + Crew
On Rail
15 - 17 Beat 125% + 1 Reef 135% + 1 Reef +
"Active Control"
+ Crew On Rail + Crew
On Rail
15 - 20 Beat 110% + 2 Reefs 125% + 2 Reefs +
"Active Control"
+ Crew On Rail + Crew
On Rail
12 - 15 Reach 150% + FMS 150% + FMS +
"Active Control"
+ Crew On Rail + Crew
On Rail
Tri-Radial Spinnaker An Option
On Points Of Sail => 80 deg
15 - 20 Reach 150% + 1 Reef 150% + FMS +
"Active Control"
+ Crew On Rail + Crew
On Rail
Tri-Radial Spinnaker An Option
On Points Of Sail => 100 deg
But Some Danger Of Broaching
20 - 25 Reach 150% + 2 Reefs 150% + 1 Reef +
"Active Control"
+ Crew On Rail + Crew
On Rail
25 - 30 Reach 125% + 2 Reefs 150% + 2 Reefs +
"Active Control"
+ Crew On Rail + Crew
On Rail
Some Danger Of Broaching
12 - 15 => 110 deg 150% + 1 Reef 150% + FMS + "Active
Control"
More Downwind + Crew On Rail + Crew On Rail
Than Broad Reach
Tri-Radial Spinnaker Recommended
15 - 20 => 110 deg 150% + 2 Reefs 150% + 1 Reef +
"Active Control"
+ Crew On Rail + Crew
On Rail
Tri-Radial Spinnaker An Option
But Some Danger Of Broaching
20 - 25 => 110 deg 125% + 2 Reefs 135% + 2 Reefs +
"Active Control"
+ Crew On Rail + Crew
On Rail
Tri-Radial Spinnaker An Option
But Increasing Danger Of Broaching
NOTES:
XXX% = Size Of Roller Furling Genoa
FMS = Full Main Sail
Y Reefs = Main Sail With Y Number Of Reefs
Active Control = Constant sail trim adjustments & course changes to take
full advantage of wind shifts,
(i.e. gusts, lulls, headers, lifts, etc),
currents, and waves
I measure apparent wind speed & direction on board Dynamic Equilibrium with
an Airguide Model 919 handheld anemometer/bearing compass. This very clever
device gives both an apparent wind speed and compass bearing. It's been my
experience that without this measurement, I tend to grossly overestimate the
wind speed.
Unless you are strictly speaking about downwind sailing, I strongly doubt
any of your boats can carry full sail up to 20+ knots of wind. Get an
anemometer, show me your data while sailing upwind, & then I'll believe.
Until then - BULLSHIT!
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new genny????
> Wally
> Just wondering how you are sheeting your headsail in
> heavy wind. In 20+ wind, heading upwind, I sheet
> headsail very tight. Adjust your genona track so you
> spill a little at the top. Even in a gust, I never
> dump the headsail; only the main. You can dump the
> main to where it is backwinding from the headsail but
> maintain the same speed due to the increase in wind
> speed. Also, if you happen to round up, as long as the
> headsail is still set with main completely dumped,
> when the boat comes back; the headsail will start to
> bite & quickly gain your momentom back.
> Steve
>
>
> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > My boat must be light or something. At 20 heading
> > upwind my 125 is furled to
> > keep me off the rail and I am fighting a 30 degree
> > heel. Most likely the
> > boom is lowered halfway as well. I like exciting
> > sails as much as anyone and
> > more than most. Too bad you can't try sails out and
> > return them like clothes
> > that don't quite fit!
> >
> > Still have an open mind .....
> >
> > Wally
> >
> > >From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new
> > genny????
> > >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:04:45 -0500
> > >
> > >Twice in one day.
> > >
> > >Again, Wally, I agree with Rummy. I rarely furl
> > below 20 knots. I sail
> > >the boat upright with minimum heel. I generally
> > sail alone. The 175 makes
> > >it very easy to come about. I adjust sail sizes to
> > keep the boat well
> > >balanced. When I'm sailing in crowded harbors I
> > reduce the size of the 175
> > >so I can see the traffic better.
> > >
> > >Bill Effros
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: R22RumRunner at aol.com
> > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:18 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Purchasing new
> > genny????
> > >
> > >
> > >Wally,
> > >When you furl depends a lot on your style of
> > sailing and how much ballast
> > >(people weight) you have with you. When alone, I
> > never furl until the winds
> > >gust
> > >above 20 knots. Below that and I'm comfortable. The
> > 175 is an awesome sail.
> > >Besides looking good, it is an excellent performer
> > in lite air as Bill
> > >mentioned. By the way, I think this is one of the
> > first times anyone has
> > >agreed with me
> > >on the list.....I appreciate your support Bill.
> > >
> > >
> > >Rummy
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