[Rhodes22-list] Wally's dilemma on sails - Harken furler

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Mon Mar 15 09:32:12 EST 2004 

Mary Lou,

I need to check, might be Model 0 ( or 01) but I am not sure. It is the 
model suggested for our size boats. I don't trailer much but it hasn't been 
a problem. I lash my spinnaker pole to mast to provide support of the over 
hanging drum. I remove sail when trailering but I guess you could trailer 
with sail furled.

When cranking up mast I put the furling unit in cloth bag. This allows the 
drum to slide across the deck with out scratching anything.

You can also make forestay tension adjustments in addition to adjusting 
halyard tension. I don't know how it compares to other furlers since it is 
the only one I have ever owned. I realize they cost more and I can't say for 
sure they are worth the extra money. I know I love mine.

Wally

>From: Mary Lou Troy <mltroy at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's dilemma on sails
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:33:15 -0500
>
>Wally,
>Which Harken (or is there only one for this size boat?) - how does it 
>trailer?
>
>Thanks.
>Mary Lou
>
>At 07:48 AM 3/15/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>Mry Lou,
>>
>>Thanks, good information on the genny.
>>
>>The Harken furler came with my boat and it works as advertised. To change 
>>head sail you simply uncleat halyard and the sail starts coming down. A 
>>few gentle tugs and it is on the deck. You attach halyard to desired sail 
>>and feed a couple of feet of luff in the the groove and hoist away. No 
>>tools required.
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>>From: Mary Lou Troy <mltroy at verizon.net>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's dilemma on sails
>>>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:48:23 -0500
>>>
>>>Wally,
>>>Good job on sorting out who said what. (Bill & Ted from the TSBB would be 
>>>proud).
>>>
>>>As far as pointing ability, the 175 does great fully deployed. As you 
>>>furl it you lose pointing ability slowly until you can run the sheets 
>>>inside - whereupon you gain something only to lose it if you need to furl 
>>>more but then you have a 125. I would think going from a 125 to a 155, 
>>>you would find a big improvement at the windspeeds you are talking about. 
>>>With a 175, you would probably improve significantly until 10 knots and 
>>>then maybe see some decrease in pointing ability if you furled a bit for 
>>>12 knots. At 12 knots we've usually furled enough to affect pointing 
>>>ability but we are not very quick to deal with gusts so we probably furl 
>>>more than sailors who play the puffs more. We find that with the sail 
>>>furled just a little bit we are able to point as well as most boats 
>>>(excluding the Js and a few other performance boats -but we don't point 
>>>as well as they do anyway). Not sure how far we have to furl it to use 
>>>the side-deck tack which would improve pointing ability. At the point we 
>>>that can, we will take it to the cabin top leads but by then you would 
>>>have since switched to your 125.
>>>
>>>Does the Harken furler really make sail changes as easily as changes with 
>>>hank on sails?
>>>
>>>Mary Lou
>>>
>>>
>>>At 10:53 AM 3/14/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>Ed,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for taking a shot at posting the real basic question but you got 
>>>>it totally wrong. :-)
>>>>
>>>>The question is/was; what sail provides the best blend of speed and 
>>>>pointing ability in 8 - 12 knots?  It is a multiple-choice question and 
>>>>the captain is not one of the answers offered. I am not trying to figure 
>>>>out who is the better sailor. I do agree that the skipper's skill is an 
>>>>important component but bringing that into this equation is bad math. I 
>>>>am seeking feedback on sails not sailors. I didn't ask could a beginner 
>>>>with a 175 beat a pro with a 155 or anything like that.
>>>>
>>>>Bill and Rummy said they loved their 175s, I believe them. I asked them 
>>>>when they furled. The thread then moved on to the point that Rummy and 
>>>>Bill claimed they don't furl sails in a 20 knot wind let alone in 12 
>>>>knot. Bill clarified that he did furl his main. Roger added his insight 
>>>>and I thought it made sense based on what I have experienced in my boat.
>>>>
>>>>I have agreed that a 175 sail is faster in certain wind speeds. I don't 
>>>>agree that it is best in 20 knots. I am not seeking a sail for 20 knots 
>>>>though. My 125 has that covered. I don't need a better headsail running 
>>>>with the wind my spinnaker has that covered.
>>>>
>>>>One point (pun intended) that is not being mentioned in this 
>>>>conversation is pointing ability. My main concern about the 175 is that 
>>>>I will sail along quite smartly from riverbank to riverbank and not make 
>>>>any headway. I don't find that relaxing or fun. Neither Bill not Rummy 
>>>>provided any feed back about pointing. Bill said he could make it around 
>>>>a triangular course. I wish we raced in a triangle but we only have two 
>>>>marks. We race dead into the wind than back down wind. So is a 175 a 
>>>>good sail for this when it is blowing 8-12? I am thinking once this big 
>>>>things gets furled down sail shape will suffer.
>>>>
>>>>One thing I have noticed is that every one that races even a little bit 
>>>>liked the 155, those that don't race seem to like the 170. I said all 
>>>>along that I have an open mind but the logic seems to steer me towards a 
>>>>155 as the better sail for the conditions I asked about. I appreciate 
>>>>posts from all.
>>>>
>>>>I hope this clarifies.
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "kroposki" <kroposki at innova.net>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wally's dilemma on sails
>>>>>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:32:16 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Wally,
>>>>>
>>>>>      I just got back to my computer and have not read all the post 
>>>>>about
>>>>>which sail you are leaning to.  Saturday I had a unique experience with
>>>>>a new Rhodie and I will let him tell the story when he gets back.
>>>>>
>>>>>      The real basic question is whether you sail to relax or do you 
>>>>>want
>>>>>to race (compete).  If you want to relax and enjoy, the 175 Genny can 
>>>>>be
>>>>>reasonably adjusted for most sailable wind conditions.  But if you want
>>>>>maximum control then you need different sails.  Not just a choice of 
>>>>>110
>>>>>or 150.
>>>>>
>>>>>      I believe that Saturday, Keith Burhardt(sp?) demonstrated that 
>>>>>with
>>>>>attention to detail, you could adjust the 175 to achieve near maximum
>>>>>potential at any point of sail.  Just ask him, he will be back on the
>>>>>list probably later in the week.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Some of the questions and issues presented in the discussion of
>>>>>your question are (1) skill of the captain (number 1!), and (2) plain
>>>>>old individual differences.  Some people like tea without sugar, some
>>>>>with, some with lemon, some with cream.
>>>>>
>>>>>      From what I have seen is that someone skillful with adjusting the
>>>>>175 would push someone with different sails.  The 175 might not win, 
>>>>>but
>>>>>then again, it might.  It is the same issues as a standard main against
>>>>>the IMF.  The real issue is how skillful is the user of each.  I think
>>>>>that with his sail configuration that Rummy would push Roger to working
>>>>>to win.  But then again, Roger might not win.  They are both very
>>>>>skillful with the paint brushes that they have.
>>>>>
>>>>>                         Ed K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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