[Rhodes22-list] Jesusland.

[Stephen Staum]

I have to weigh in with Robert on this one.  I cannot stand all the "family
values" crap dispursed by the Republicans.  It is as if Democrats,
Independants and (God forbid we mention) Liberals did not care about their
families.

Religion (including prayer in school) has no place in government.  SS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hank" <hnw555 at gmail.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jesusland.


> I have to disagree on your definition of morals and ethics.  In most,
> if not all, dictionaries, morals and ethics are synonymous terms and
> are often used to define one another.  Nether one implies a Deity.
> They both are based upon acting out of a sense of right or wrong, good
> or evil.
>
> Hank
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:13:36 -0500, Robert Skinner
> <robert at squirrelhaven.com> wrote:
> > Rummy -
> >
> > Couldn't agree more about the problems that come
> > up when we combine religion with politics.
> >
> > Part of the background of our current "family values"
> > vs. secular considerations may come from our failure
> > to distinguish between moral issues and ethical ones.
> >
> > Morals are a product of a person's dialogue with his
> > deity of choice - and there is more than one such
> > acknowledged in this country.
> >
> > Ethics are shared in a society without regard to
> > religion - or the society falls apart.  When the
> > society decides to enforce morals, it becomes a
> > theocracy, and people's rights are submerged in the
> > regulations laid down by the priest class, specially
> > when it is indistinguishable from the ruling class.
> >
> > I believe that the "family values" issues raised in
> > the last election are totally irrelevant to our
> > government, and were used in the most unscrupulous
> > way to obscure the real issues confronting our
> > government.
> >
> > /Robert Skinner
> > -----------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/21/2004 2:06:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > flybrad at yahoo.com writes:
> > >
> > >
http://realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/2004_County_Results_Final.html
> > > I get it now, those people that didn't vote for Bush, according to the
red
> > > and blue map, are less religious than those that did.
> > > This country is in a sad state of affairs. What happens to the people
that
> > > are either in the red or blue, voted for their candidate, but aren't
religious?
> > >  Where do we fit in? Personally, I don't think religion has any place
in
> > > politics. Something about the separation of church and state. Our
founding
> > > father's were very smart in writing this into our constitution.
Putting the two
> > > together only muddies the waters even more than they already are.
Religion or
> > > actions taken in the name of religion have done more harm to the
planet than
> > > any  other "just" cause. Let the priests, rabbi's, mullah's(sp) and
ministers
> > > tend their flocks, but leave the rest of us alone.
> > >
> > > Rummy
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