[Rhodes22-list] More Lacking Etiquette

[Bob Weber]

Michael, Thanks I will add a little more emphasis on the reponsibilities of 
the skipper and definately the "Report any thing you broke".  I am very 
familiar with the responsibility of the skipper.  It is the same with 
pilots.  If you ever saw accident reports they always start out Pilot error, 
contributing factor "Wing fell off".

Bob

>From: Michael Meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] More Lacking Etiquette
>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:06:13 -0400
>
>The way I heard it: you use your own anchor rode, what way you get the work 
>of putting back together and it the difference between giving a tow and 
>providing the equipment to give a tow(higher salvage claim), A yatchman 
>should never claim salvage for a tow(that etiquette), but the commercial 
>(sea tow, boat us, fisherman sometimes, etc.. will charge) and you are best 
>off agreeing to a price before hand otherwise is is a salvage claim. All 
>this is tempered by conditions and distance. 20 minutes to a dock on a 
>sunny day vs 20 miles offshore in a storm, hard grounding all bets are 
>off(i.e salvage), same goes for taking on water. BTW beware of power boats 
>giving a tow, they go to fast sometimes.
>
>My favorite: the captain is respectable for everything on the boat. no one 
>else. i.e. the helmsman hits a buoy in broad daylight, 5000$ of damage the 
>captain pays, the captain was sleeping in the cabin, still his fault, try 
>to blame the crew or anyone else, wrong still his faults, tries to give the 
>bill to anyone, big time wrong, the boat is holed by the bouy(salvage that 
>the captain pays), boat is a totaled loose, the captain lost. Bad charts, 
>his fault, part breaks, still his fault. crew does not follow orders, his 
>fault. Boat yard screewed up, still the captin. Get hit by another boat, 
>even following the rules(i.e standon), still will be blamed for "poor 
>seamanship". Something happen dock/anchor/mooring while the captin is 100 
>miles away, still his fault, should have been "maned". No water on board, 
>salvage.
>
>It ok to jump on another boat at the dock to fend off and save it from a 
>"docking challenged captain".
>
>If something break, is damaged, tell the captin, do not "hide" it. If 
>someone causes damage to your boat, let is slide or file with your 
>insurance(the Jay Paul Getty thing). get sick, spill something, overflow 
>the head, clean it up.
>
>MJM
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>Bob Weber wrote:
>
>>Slim, I am looking for correct behavior either legal or polite. Most of 
>>the high seas laws were nothing more than common sense etiquette at one 
>>time until someone lacking commonsense or etiquette caused a stink by not 
>>abiding. The fact that I have to teach the good semaritan 'Law" in class 
>>is an example of this. Bob
>>
>>>From: Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] More Lacking Etiquette
>>>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:13:10 -0500
>>>
>>>Bob,
>>>
>>>Are you looking for etiquette or law? Two different things, aren't they?
>>>This one seems like a legal issue whereas helping a stranger land his 
>>>boat
>>>is etiquette. What about finding an unattended vessel at sea? Finders
>>>keepers? But again--that's law, no?
>>>
>>>Slim
>>>
>>>On 10/13/04 1:46 PM, "Bob Weber" <ruba1811 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I thought of another one having to do with the High Seas Salvage rules 
>>>but
>>> > forget how it goes. When getting assistance from another vessel - who 
>>>has
>>> > to throw a line to whom so as not to lose your boat to the rescuer on 
>>>a
>>> > technicality? anyone? Bueler.
>>> >
>>> > BW
>>> >
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