[Rhodes22-list] I Wish To Change My Vote

Mon Oct 18 18:10:55 EDT 2004

Thank you Lloyd!!!  Well said!  I joined the list to learn more about the
boat.....and I have.   I have every intention of buying one soon.  My
feeling is if one wants to argue politics, one should take it to a politics
list.  On the Columbia list there was recently a posting that relayed a
story about a pavilion on the grounds of a yacht club.  On one pole was a
sign that said "religion - 100 yards" with an arrow pointing East - on the
opposite side on another pole was a second sign that said "politics - 100
yards" and pointed West.  The implication was that those subjects were off
limits within the pavilion.  That attitude has prevailed on the Columbia
list and the discussions are informative and friendly.  I suspect most
people joined this list to discuss sailing; why not keep it that way?

Mark Metzler

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From: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Date: 10/15/04 23:36:58
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I Wish To Change My Vote

You Guys are something else.  Politics, Religion, even problems about 2-
vrs. 4-stroke engines.  Let's all agree that we disagree about the first two
items,  go back to the interesting discourse about Rhodes22 type items, and
bring a little civility about what we have in common and what we can do
something about, i.e., advancing our joint knowledge and abilities to enjoy
our great little yachts.

Lloyd

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nell" <nellwolfe at cox.net>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] I Wish To Change My Vote

> Bush is the proverbial bully in the schoolyard.
> He picks a fight with one of the unpopular kids (Saddam), uses brute
> strength (the US' has the finest military armaments in the world),
justifies
> his behavior with "he threatened my Daddy" and "I know he has WMD" (b/c
Bush
> has X-ray vision or borrowed Nancy Reagan's crystal ball" and rallies the
> bored, the ignorant, the myopic, those nostalgic for the glory days
> associated with the truly heroic efforts our WWII troops made to bring a
> legitimate menace (Hitler) to his just desserts, and those "Military
minds"
> (I think that's an oxymoron) - both the wannabees and those in and out of
> uniform who feel that if the US is not in the limelight flexing it's
muscles
> then the world just "doesn't give us no respect".
> It helped that our economy was in the basement and war - under any
pretext -
> surely bolsters the economy.
> War is surely a distraction from a lackluster president who was ushered in
> under history-making suspicion of a manipulated election and vote-tally in
a
> state under the gun of Bush's "little bro'".
> It helped that the previous President had highly-public "extra-curricular
> activities", thus rendering him a hindrance when supporting the party's
> presidential nominee.
> It helped that the US' gluttony for oil has imperiled the world's supply
and
> our opportunity to consume the rest of the oil before any other countries
> might benefit from it.
> But none of these contributors can strengthen an inherently cowardly,
weak,
> blue-blood whose "successes" were the result of money and connections
rather
> than performance and achievement.
> He has employed paranoia (the Al-Qaeda are coming, the Al-Qaeda are
coming)
> and religious/cultural phobia (if you're not Judao-Christian and look like
> the rest of us then you are evil and preparing to do us harm) to
> re-institute McCarthyism and Salem witch hunts and the Holy Crusades.
> He has denied prisoners due process and detained them under conditions in
> violation of the Geneva Convention.
> He has distracted us from the largest deficit in history, the lowest level
> of world respect since our country's founding, the biggest financial
fiasco
> in history (Enron), the largest job loss in nearly a century, the widening
> chasm between the nation's rich and the worker, and the largest number of
> healthcare uninsured since health insurance was invented.
> The US has become like the German nation after WWI - the economy is in
> rubble, national morale in the toilet, and ANY action somehow makes us
think
> we can regain stature and respect.
> How much different are we than Hitler and his henchmen?
> They murdered 6 million Jews in the name of ethnic cleansing.
> We murder Arabs in the name of national and world security.
> The German nation turned a blind eye to the smoke stacks of the ovens of
> Auschwitz.
> We turn a blind eye to the torture and murder of Abu Gahrib.
> Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and the world hoped his hunger for
domination
> would be appeased.
> We invade Iraq and the world hopes our plunder-lust will be sated.
>
> This election is not about Kerry.
> It's about our own self-respect as a nation.
> We have talked the talk of human rights, national sovereignty, cultural
> independence.
> We now walk the walk of human rights violation on a world scale, national
> imperialism, and cultural ethnic cleansing.
> Whatever the US does, it does because it has the money and power to do it.
> We may go unchallenged for awhile but don't equate military superiority
with
> moral rightness.
> Lest we forget, the Redcoats with the might of the British Empire ruled
the
> world for quite sometime only to be dethroned by an upstart ragtag
> collection of American revolutionaries who didn't mind using hit and run
> tactics and any other method they could conceive to rid themselves of
their
> oppressors.
>
> History has a way of repeating itself.
> "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire", "The Sun Never Sets on the
British
> Empire", "United We Stand Divided We Fall" ...
> In November we have the chance to send a new message to the World - the
> question is: "4 More Years" or "Let's Set the Record Straight"?
>
> nellwolfe
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
LafingBear at aol.com
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 2:51 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I Wish To Change My Vote
>
> Roger, I just can't read all the material you've written and not respond.
> You
> write beautifully, your thinking is top level, you are obviously an
> intelligent and sincere man, but you missed the correct conclusion. Anyone
> but Bush,
> anyone! I don't think Kerry is the perfect candidate, but I would vote for
> Atilla The Hun rather than put Bush back in office. We're in big trouble
and
> 4 more
> years of Bush will only make it worse. I know where Bush will take us but
I
> can only hope and pray that Kerry will do a better job. He can't do any
> worse.
> As you said to Rummy, we're all intitled to our own opinion.
> Jim Gifford
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