[Rhodes22-list] The War of 1812

Fri Oct 29 11:44:30 EDT 2004

Wish we could say the same about you Steve.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve [mailto:rhodes2282 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The War of 1812

Well wrote, Roger.
Steve

--- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net> wrote:

> Bill,
> 
> According to Greg D. Feldmeth, "US History
> Resources", the war of 1812 had a
> lot more causes than simply a land grab from the
> Indians.
> For example:
> 
> Year    Event
> 1806    Napoleon excluded British goods from
> "Fortress Europe".  The British
> responded with a blockade
>             & American merchant ships were caught in
> the middle.  The
> British seized about 1000 American ships.
> 
> 1803-1812 British military ships stopped American
> merchant ships on the high
> seas and impressed
>                   over 10,000 American sailors to
> involuntarily serve on
> British ships.
> 
> 1807    The American merchant ship, Chesapeake,
> refused to stop for the
> British military ship, Leopard
>             in US territorial waters about 3 miles
> off Norfolk, VA.  The
> Leopard opened fire, killing 3
>             Americans & wounding 18 more.
> 
> 1810    The "War Hawks" get elected to congress.
> 
> 1811    The Battle of Tippecanoe in the Ohio River
> Valley was an attack by
> Tecumseh's brother
>             (The Prophet) on Harrison's army of
> about 1000 soldiers
> 
> June 18, 1812  Congress declares war.  All the
> Federalists oppose the war
> 
> Note that the initial battles in the War of 1812
> were American defeats, such
> as the British capture of Fort Mackinaw on Mackinaw
> Island in the Straights
> of Mackinaw, Lake Huron.  These attacks were
> launched from British bases in
> Canada.  Note that the British crossed our border
> 1st because they had
> better communication with their military outposts. 
> The American military
> believed the best defense was a good offense & that
> taking Canada out of
> British hands would have made British invasion of
> the United States more
> difficult.  The British had launched their major
> offensives during the
> Revolutionary War from Canada.  The Battle of the
> Chesapeake in 1814, during
> which the British captured & burned Washington D.C.,
> was launched from
> Canada.  The burning of Washington was intended as
> British retribution for
> the American burning of Toronto.
> 
> Certainly, there was a desire to seize land from the
> American Indians to
> facilitate American westward expansion.  US/Indian
> relations can only be
> described as "poor" in the period following the
> American Revolution.  But,
> note that the Indians started their war with
> America, (with British support
> & weapons) BEFORE the War of 1812 started.  One can
> argue that by
> encouraging and arming the Indians, the British were
> meddling in internal
> American affairs.
> 
> The American's made 3 attempts to invade Canada in
> 1812.  As you noted, all
> 3 of these attempts were repelled.  It was a case of
> the military technology
> of the time greatly favoring the defenders & of the
> US military not
> attacking with sufficient strength to overcome the
> defenses.
> 
> One of the causes of the American Revolution was
> that the British gave the
> Americans no respect.  This British contempt for
> America continued after the
> British defeat in the Revolutionary War & was a big
> reason why the British
> thought they could simply seize American merchant
> ships and sailors on the
> high seas in the run up to the War of 1812.  America
> needed to be global
> trading partner & simply could not afford to have
> its ships and sailors
> seized like this.
> 
> Certainly, the causes of the War of 1812 were
> controversial at the time and
> remain so to this day.  The country was divided. 
> One of the major things
> the United States came away from the War of 1812
> with was a far better sense
> of our own national identity.  We also won some
> respect & safety for our
> ships & sailors from the British.  Of course, the
> biggest losers were the
> American Indians.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes owners in
> Canada preferably Ontario
> >
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > As I'm sure you know, but Michael probably
> doesn't, what Americans call
> "The War of 1812" is better remembered in Canada as
> "The
> > Invasion of Canada".  It did not go well for the
> United States, and
> resulted in the British burning down Washington,
> D.C.  It was
> > started by a faction in the United States Congress
> known as the "War
> Hawks" who really wanted to attack the Indians so
> the Americans
> > could take their land.  A handful of Canadians
> repeatedly repelled a much
> larger force of Americans.  The Americans had no
> plan.
> > They expected to be greeted as liberators.  The
> separate Indian tribes
> were galvanized by the attack, and joined together
> to fight
> > the westward expansion of the United States.
> >
> > Ah, history.
> >
> > Please don't encourage these guys to try it again.
>  They know not what
> they do.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> > "Are You Safer Today Than You Were 4 Years Ago?"
> >
> > www.QuoteWithoutComment.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mark Skapinker
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:39 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes owners in
> Canada preferably Ontario
> >
> >
> > You don't get it, do you? We really like elections
> in French. That way,
> > most of us don't understand anything the
> politicians are saying. Believe
> > me, it's much better that way.
> >
> > By the way, if you are going to invade, you had
> better do it soon before
> > the Canadian dollar becomes worth more than yours!
> In fact, if you
> > attack before next week, you could get a lot more
> voters in the
> > election. It should only take about 15 minutes to
> take Canada - it is
> > cold now, and so most people are already in
> Florida.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
> > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:22 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes owners in
> Canada preferably Ontario
> >
> > Canada elections, we have to go thought Canada
> election, in french to
> > boot, We should invade before it comes to that :-)
> >
> > MJM
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Skapinker wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Barbara,
> > >Where about in Ontario are you? I have a Rhodes22
> that I bought last
> > >spring. I keep it in Toronto on Lake Ontario in
> the spring and the
> > >fall, and this year I kept it on Lake Muskoka for
> the summer.
> > >I would be happy to share my experiences of the
> boat (I love it!!), of
> > >importing it into Canada (fairly
> straightforward), and working with
> > >Stan and Elton (wonderful). The only problem is
> that it is *about* to
> > >be winterized and may already be shrinkwrapped if
> you want to see it
> > >before next spring.
> > >Besides which, it would be GREAT to have someone
> on this web site who
> > >was focused on sailing in Canada instead of the
> US election <g>.
> > >Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Barbara
> > >Zarzosa
> > >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:28 PM
> > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes owners in Canada
> preferably Ontario
> > >
> > >Hello everybody,
> > >Not too long ago I had the misfortune of falling
> in love with a Rhodes
> > >I saw at a boat show. I say misfortune because I
> know that right now,
> > >since I'm in the midst of downsizing my home now
> that the kids have
> > >moved out, I can't afford to buy one of my own
> (sigh). I feel like the
> > >little kid with her nose pressed against the
> toystore window lovingly
> > >admiring a little red wagon.
> > >
> > >Anyhow, I've downloaded and printed out pictures
> of other people's
> > >Rhodes and they are my middle-aged "pin-ups"
> replacing the long
> > >forgotten pin-ups of the dreamboats of my youth.
> ha, ha.
> > >
> > >I am new to sailing - got the bug this past
> season - and over the fall
> > >I'm taking the CPS boating course so I can learn
> to safely navigate
> > >around. Over the past few months I have been
> researching little
> > >trailerable boats and I know that a Rhodes is in
> my future. However,
> > >since I am so new to the whole scene, I have many
> questions.
> > >
> > >I know the Rhodes are built in the US and I
> wonder what is involved in
> > >buying a boat (used or recycled) from the US and
> bringing it to Canada.
> > >Are there many Canadian Rhodes owners? I'll leave
> my questions at that
> > >for now.
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance,
> > >Barbara.
> >
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