[Rhodes22-list] The War of 1812
Steve
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Fri Oct 29 08:50:55 EDT 2004
Warren
I do this for fun; not trying to give folks spelling
lesson here.
Steve
--- "Foy, Warren" <Warren.Foy at mhgrp.com> wrote:
> Wish we could say the same about you Steve.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve [mailto:rhodes2282 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:34 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The War of 1812
>
>
> Well wrote, Roger.
> Steve
>
>
> --- Roger Pihlaja <cen09402 at centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > According to Greg D. Feldmeth, "US History
> > Resources", the war of 1812 had a
> > lot more causes than simply a land grab from the
> > Indians.
> > For example:
> >
> > Year Event
> > 1806 Napoleon excluded British goods from
> > "Fortress Europe". The British
> > responded with a blockade
> > & American merchant ships were caught
> in
> > the middle. The
> > British seized about 1000 American ships.
> >
> > 1803-1812 British military ships stopped American
> > merchant ships on the high
> > seas and impressed
> > over 10,000 American sailors to
> > involuntarily serve on
> > British ships.
> >
> > 1807 The American merchant ship, Chesapeake,
> > refused to stop for the
> > British military ship, Leopard
> > in US territorial waters about 3 miles
> > off Norfolk, VA. The
> > Leopard opened fire, killing 3
> > Americans & wounding 18 more.
> >
> > 1810 The "War Hawks" get elected to congress.
> >
> > 1811 The Battle of Tippecanoe in the Ohio River
> > Valley was an attack by
> > Tecumseh's brother
> > (The Prophet) on Harrison's army of
> > about 1000 soldiers
> >
> > June 18, 1812 Congress declares war. All the
> > Federalists oppose the war
> >
> > Note that the initial battles in the War of 1812
> > were American defeats, such
> > as the British capture of Fort Mackinaw on
> Mackinaw
> > Island in the Straights
> > of Mackinaw, Lake Huron. These attacks were
> > launched from British bases in
> > Canada. Note that the British crossed our border
> > 1st because they had
> > better communication with their military outposts.
>
> > The American military
> > believed the best defense was a good offense &
> that
> > taking Canada out of
> > British hands would have made British invasion of
> > the United States more
> > difficult. The British had launched their major
> > offensives during the
> > Revolutionary War from Canada. The Battle of the
> > Chesapeake in 1814, during
> > which the British captured & burned Washington
> D.C.,
> > was launched from
> > Canada. The burning of Washington was intended as
> > British retribution for
> > the American burning of Toronto.
> >
> > Certainly, there was a desire to seize land from
> the
> > American Indians to
> > facilitate American westward expansion. US/Indian
> > relations can only be
> > described as "poor" in the period following the
> > American Revolution. But,
> > note that the Indians started their war with
> > America, (with British support
> > & weapons) BEFORE the War of 1812 started. One
> can
> > argue that by
> > encouraging and arming the Indians, the British
> were
> > meddling in internal
> > American affairs.
> >
> > The American's made 3 attempts to invade Canada in
> > 1812. As you noted, all
> > 3 of these attempts were repelled. It was a case
> of
> > the military technology
> > of the time greatly favoring the defenders & of
> the
> > US military not
> > attacking with sufficient strength to overcome the
> > defenses.
> >
> > One of the causes of the American Revolution was
> > that the British gave the
> > Americans no respect. This British contempt for
> > America continued after the
> > British defeat in the Revolutionary War & was a
> big
> > reason why the British
> > thought they could simply seize American merchant
> > ships and sailors on the
> > high seas in the run up to the War of 1812.
> America
> > needed to be global
> > trading partner & simply could not afford to have
> > its ships and sailors
> > seized like this.
> >
> > Certainly, the causes of the War of 1812 were
> > controversial at the time and
> > remain so to this day. The country was divided.
> > One of the major things
> > the United States came away from the War of 1812
> > with was a far better sense
> > of our own national identity. We also won some
> > respect & safety for our
> > ships & sailors from the British. Of course, the
> > biggest losers were the
> > American Indians.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes owners in
> > Canada preferably Ontario
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > As I'm sure you know, but Michael probably
> > doesn't, what Americans call
> > "The War of 1812" is better remembered in Canada
> as
> > "The
> > > Invasion of Canada". It did not go well for the
> > United States, and
> > resulted in the British burning down Washington,
> > D.C. It was
> > > started by a faction in the United States
> Congress
> > known as the "War
> > Hawks" who really wanted to attack the Indians so
> > the Americans
> > > could take their land. A handful of Canadians
> > repeatedly repelled a much
> > larger force of Americans. The Americans had no
> > plan.
> > > They expected to be greeted as liberators. The
> > separate Indian tribes
> > were galvanized by the attack, and joined together
> > to fight
> > > the westward expansion of the United States.
> > >
> > > Ah, history.
> > >
> > > Please don't encourage these guys to try it
> again.
> > They know not what
> > they do.
> > >
> > > Bill Effros
> > >
> > >
> > > "Are You Safer Today Than You Were 4 Years Ago?"
> > >
> > > www.QuoteWithoutComment.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mark Skapinker
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:39 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes owners in
> > Canada preferably Ontario
> > >
> > >
> > > You don't get it, do you? We really like
> elections
> > in French. That way,
> > > most of us don't understand anything the
> > politicians are saying. Believe
> > > me, it's much better that way.
> > >
> > > By the way, if you are going to invade, you had
> > better do it soon before
> > > the Canadian dollar becomes worth more than
> yours!
> > In fact, if you
> > > attack before next week, you could get a lot
> more
> > voters in the
> > > election. It should only take about 15 minutes
> to
> > take Canada - it is
> > > cold now, and so most people are already in
> > Florida.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
> > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:22 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes owners in
> > Canada preferably Ontario
> > >
> > > Canada elections, we have to go thought Canada
> > election, in french to
> > > boot, We should invade before it comes to that
> :-)
> > >
> > > MJM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Skapinker wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi Barbara,
> > > >Where about in Ontario are you? I have a
> Rhodes22
> > that I bought last
> > > >spring. I keep it in Toronto on Lake Ontario in
> > the spring and the
> > > >fall, and this year I kept it on Lake Muskoka
> for
> > the summer.
> > > >I would be happy to share my experiences of the
> > boat (I love it!!), of
> > > >importing it into Canada (fairly
> > straightforward), and working with
> > > >Stan and Elton (wonderful). The only problem is
> > that it is *about* to
> > > >be winterized and may already be shrinkwrapped
> if
> > you want to see it
> > > >before next spring.
> > > >Besides which, it would be GREAT to have
> someone
> > on this web site who
> > > >was focused on sailing in Canada instead of the
> > US election <g>.
> > > >Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Barbara
> > > >Zarzosa
> > > >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:28 PM
> > > >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes owners in
> Canada
> > preferably Ontario
> > > >
> > > >Hello everybody,
> > > >Not too long ago I had the misfortune of
> falling
> > in love with a Rhodes
> > > >I saw at a boat show. I say misfortune because
> I
> > know that right now,
> > > >since I'm in the midst of downsizing my home
> now
> > that the kids have
> > > >moved out, I can't afford to buy one of my own
> > (sigh). I feel like the
> > > >little kid with her nose pressed against the
> > toystore window lovingly
> > > >admiring a little red wagon.
> > > >
> > > >Anyhow, I've downloaded and printed out
> pictures
> > of other people's
> > > >Rhodes and they are my middle-aged "pin-ups"
> > replacing the long
> > > >forgotten pin-ups of the dreamboats of my
> youth.
> > ha, ha.
> > > >
> > > >I am new to sailing - got the bug this past
> > season - and over the fall
> > > >I'm taking the CPS boating course so I can
> learn
> > to safely navigate
> > > >around. Over the past few months I have been
> > researching little
> > > >trailerable boats and I know that a Rhodes is
> in
> > my future. However,
> > > >since I am so new to the whole scene, I have
> many
> > questions.
> > > >
> > > >I know the Rhodes are built in the US and I
> > wonder what is involved in
> > > >buying a boat (used or recycled) from the US
> and
> > bringing it to Canada.
> > > >Are there many Canadian Rhodes owners? I'll
> leave
> > my questions at that
> > > >for now.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks in advance,
> > > >Barbara.
> > >
> >
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