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Steve
rhodes2282 at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 10 09:23:36 EDT 2004
To many vets are speaking against Kerry. He should
release his miltery records like Bush did. What is he
hiding. If you really looks at Bush militay record,
there is nothing bad there at all. Of course, we
can't see Kerry record; he won't release them.
The only thing this country did wrong in Viet Nam is
we did not Win the War. Actually, we did not try to
win the war. We had the technology, but because of
people like John Kerry; we did not have the will power
to actually do what it took to win the war. That is a
Tragedy.
This election is all about the war. Who will defend
this nation and protect all our families; your & mine.
We know Bush will; we have nothing that shows us that
Kerry will. And again, he has voted against every
major weapons system that protects our freedom. This
is just not acceptable in a leader. Our military must
be the strongest military in the world. To promote
liberity & freedom for all the nations to look to as
an example. We must help people and nations become
free. It would be unamerican not too!
Steve
--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> It is fairly obvious you don't understand how medals
> are awarded. See
> Rummy's previous post.
>
> Having a father that spent two tours in Viet Nam and
> served in the Navy for
> 30 years; I can tell you that swift boats were about
> the most dangerous duty
> facing our Navy. If you weren't a Navy pilot, SEAL
> or on a swift boat you
> never made it close to enemy lines. He signed up for
> this duty. I don't
> fault Bush for serving in the National Guard but
> lets face it; he got in the
> National Guard due to family favors. Say what you
> want about Kerry but if
> you want to compare what happened way back then
> Kerry wins hands down.
>
> Personally I don't think this should be the focus of
> this election. Many of
> the bills that Kerry voted against had layers of
> pork fat wrapped around
> them. He was not against every weapon you
> mentioned. Each of these bills
> had other things attached to them. We have not had a
> Senator voted president
> in years. This is one of the primary reasons. One
> could also say that people
> that voted yes for every weapons bill voted yes on
> all of the waste that was
> included.
>
> So lets move forward from the 60s to the 70s. Yes
> Kerry spoke out against
> Viet Nam. I thought the war was a tragic waste of
> human life and in the end
> a miserable failure. Kerry decided to serve his
> country further in politics.
> What did Bush do? Best I can tell he partied a
> bunch, snorted cocaine, and
> enjoyed the high life. Heck it sounds fun to me but
> not exactly a great
> track record for a future president.
>
> So lets move forward to the 80s. Kerry continued to
> serve in politics while
> Bush ran more than one company into the ground.
> Daddy's connections came in
> handy again and he some how came out of it smelling
> like a rose. Didn't he
> also own a baseball team, let's face it the Rangers
> sucked but i guess I
> can't blame Bush for that. The point is he still did
> nothing in my eyes to
> prepare him for president.
>
> The 90s brough Bush into the political ring. I
> didn't live in Texas but
> depending upon who you ask he either did a great job
> or he sucked.
>
> There are at least two sides to every story. An
> astute voter will take the
> time to try to figure out the issues instead of just
> saying all liberals are
> cowards and that anyone against the war in Iraq is a
> liberal and by
> definition a coward. I realize the issues are
> complex and i don't expect all
> to be able to understand them.
>
> Wally
>
>
>
>
> >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] List Administrator See
> All
> >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 06:05:51 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >No, it doesn't PO me. Kerry brought up the war as
> his
> >one thing that he did that people should look to in
> >his for why he should be President. But there are
> >more people disbuting his claims than that hand
> full
> >that he carry around with him. Kerry only has a
> proven
> >record of protesting a war; NOT fighting it.
> Voting
> >against every major weapon systems that protect
> your
> >freedom & mine. Voting aginst funding the CIA.
> >Voting against funding our troops in time of War.
> >Those are facts that cannot be disbuted.
> >
> >Bush record is one of moral leadership. He has
> >restored this country to one that American can be
> >proud of. He fare on his policies. And even
> passed
> >the biggest thing that Democrats have been
> promissing
> >the people for decades, a precription drug benefit
> on
> >Medicare. These are facts.
> >
> >What has Kerry done to help this country? I will
> give
> >you the answer; there nothing he can point to.
> That's
> >why he keep bring up Vietnam.
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >--- Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sure you could find a group of veterans to
> > > denounce Bush too, but he
> > > wasn't over there.
> > >
> > > Actually, I don't care about Bush being missing
> in
> > > Alabama any more than I
> > > do about Kerry's service record. I don't think
> what
> > > these guys did 30 years
> > > ago matters a lick. I don't want to be judged
> by
> > > decisions I made in my
> > > 20s, and that was only 10 years ago!
> > >
> > > I am certainly not knowledgeable about Kerry's
> > > career in the Senate. But,
> > > his constituents thought he was doing enough to
> keep
> > > electing him, so he
> > > must have been doing a good job, in their eyes.
> > >
> > > I think you've bought into the myth that
> Democrats
> > > want to be soft on
> > > terrorists. I don't think that holds water. I
> > > voted for Bush the first
> > > time around partially because I thought Clinton
> was
> > > spending too much time
> > > policing other countries. How would a
> Democratic
> > > president handle the
> > > post-9/11 world? None of us can really say.
> > >
> > > Anyway, my main point was that asking veterans
> to
> > > defend their medals is a
> > > bad precedent. Really bad. Think about it in
> the
> > > context of a WWII
> > > veteran. Doesn't it piss you off?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Steve
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:45 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] List Administrator
> See
> > > All
> > >
> > > Ben
> > > Why are all those veterans saying that Kerry did
> not
> > > earn them. Also, not the swift boat but a whole
> new
> > > group are having a get together this weekend to
> > > denounce Kerry.
> > >
> > > Kerry has done nothing is his whole career as a
> > > senator to help protect this country. He spent
> more
> > > time protesting the war than he did fighting in
> it.
> > > He have voted against every major weapons
> progran
> > > that
> > > has made this country a superpower over the last
> 20
> > > years.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, the man cannot be trusted to defend
> > > this
> > > country against terrorests or rouge nations.
> And
> > > please keep in mind, the terrorist hate
> democrats
> > > just
> > > as much as republicans.
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > --- Ben Schultz <BenS at ApproSystems.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > C'mon Steve, surely we're not going to demand
> that
> > > > veterans prove that they
> > > > deserve the medals that they were issued --
> even
> > > > veterans who don't have the
> > > > sense to stay out of politics.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > > > Behalf Of Steve
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:48 AM
> > > > To: stan; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List
> Administrator
> > > See
> > > > All
> > > >
> > > > Stan
> > > > All Kerry did in the war was film himself.
> You
> > > have
> > > > no proof that he earn even one of his medals.
> > > There
> > > > are more people saying he was a joke in the
> war
> > > than
> > > > saying he did anything heroic.
> > > >
> > > > Kerry has voted against everything and every
> > > weapon
> > > > system that protect this country. Voted
> against
> > > > funding the CIA. There is apsolutly no common
> > > sence
> > > > that were evern suggust that he has the brains
> > > > necessary to run this country. Again, he has
> > > voted
> > > > against everything that give liberal
> democrates
> > > the
> > > > freedom to be stupid, be on welfare and lazy.
> YOu
> > > > have the freedom to be that way thanks to our
> > > > military. Luckly, there our smarter people in
> > > > Congress that did not side with Kerry which
> allows
> > > > us
> > > > to fund our military so that we can remain the
> > > sole
> > > > Superpower. Without this, democrats would
> lose
> > > > welfare.
> > > > Steve
> > > > --- stan <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Point of Information::
> > > > >
> > > > > When bills or resolutions, etc are up for
> votes
> > > in
> > > > > congress, riders can be
> > > > > attached forcing a thinking lawmaker's
> desire to
> > > > > vote one way on an issue,
> > > > > to be changed because he or she is not in
> favor
> > > of
> > > > > the rider. So congress
> > > > > people do vote one way and then are forced
> to
> > > > "flip
> > > > > flop" on the same issue
> > > > > when it is effectively changed by the rider.
> > > The
> > > > > Republican side of the
> > > > > isle does it - even vp Cheney. Not
> uncommon.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, the Republicans are brilliant.
> They
> > > know
> > > > > everyone but the simple
> > > > > folk understand this so they make flip flop
> a
> > > > > campaign theme. Just like the
> > > > > war record issue were they know everyone but
> the
> > > > > simple folks understand
> > > > > Bush bought his way out of harm's way while
> > > Kerry
> > > > > faced the bullets and then
> > > > > decided the cause was a mistake and flipped
> > > > flopped
> > > > > over it, so they make
> > > > > use of the left behind group to make the two
> war
> > > > > records a campaign issue.
> > > > > (not so sure they will get away with it in
> this
> > > > > instance - too obvious,
> > > > > even to the blindly faithful - plus many
> > > > > Republicans like John McCain,
> > > > > can't stomach it .)
> > > > >
> > > > > I still think money, being the bottom line
> in
> > > our
> > > > > society, makes betting the
> > > > > way for the List to handle problem members.
> > > Let's
> > > > > bet.
> > > > >
> > > > > For instance we could bet on the sincerity
> of
> > > > those
> > > > > in favor this war. If
> > > > > they are willing to join a "Lincoln" like
> > > brigade
> > > > to
> > > > > fight terrorists in
> > > > > Iraq tomorrow, they win. (The list could
> chip
> > > in
> > > > > and pay their expenses
> > > > > from a standing pot) If they lose they have
> to
> > > > add
> > > > > to the List's betting
> > > > > pot.
> > > > >
> > > > > And we could bet on the factual "flip flop"
> > > > charges
> > > > > by having those like
> > > > > Bush and Steve, who accuse Kerry of this
> crime,
> > > > vs.
> > > > > those like myself who
> > > > > say that if you count Bush's campaign
> promises
> > > and
> > > > > career remarks, he is the
> > > > > "flip flopper" winner, contribute to the pot
> -
> > > > have
> > > > > the pot pay for an
> > > > > independent accounting and the balance go to
> the
> > > > > winner. That would be the
> > > > > civilized way to go.
> > > > >
> > > > > So my suggestion is not to impose censorship
> but
> > > > to
> > > > > refine the rules to:
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have an opinion, it has to proceed
> with a
> > > > > remark like, " in my humble
> > > > > opinion, you are an asshole".
> > > > >
> > > > > and statements proclaimed as factual, be
> > > > accompanied
> > > > > by contributions to the
> > > > > betting pool, like " Kerry is the bigger
> flip
> > > > > flopper and the facts will
> > > > > prove that so here is my contribution to the
> > > > betting
> > > > > pool" And the paid
> > > > > factual team goes to work and the winner
> takes
> > > > what
> > > > > is left in the pool. I
> > > > > bet the compilation of the verifiable facts
> > > could
> > > > be
> > > > > sold to the media or
> > > > > published and the List could eventually make
> a
> > > > > fortune. Bill will get us a
> > > > > publisher.and an advance. Let's start
> betting
> > > and
> > > > > put our money where our
> > > > > loose tongues are. .
> > > > >
> > > > > An aside: Bush lost the election by a
> > > substantial
> > > > > number of the popular
> > > > > vote. I would not be so quick in ceding the
> > > > > election to him this time.
> > > > > Those who understand and quiver (a cowards
> > > opinion
> > > > > and so labeled) at where
> > > > > he is leading the country tend to be quieter
> > > than
> > > > > those in favor.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course there are exceptions to those from
> the
> > > > > left being "quieter". Wanna
> > > > > bet.
> > > > > .
> > > > > stan/gbi
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Steve Alm" <salm at mn.rr.com>
> > > > > To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:45 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] List
> Administrator
> > > > See
> > > > > All
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Wally,
> > > > > > You see, Steve is an analyst for the
> > > government.
> > > >
> > > > > Hope that clears things
> > > > > > up.
> > > > > > Slim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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