[Rhodes22-list] What do you do with monsters?

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 10 17:34:57 EDT 2004


LOL!!!!!!!!!

Slim you made my day -Wally


>From: Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do with monsters?
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 15:06:33 -0500
>
>Wow, Steve, your last few posts are so calm and civil that I'm changing my
>ways and voting Bush/Cheney! I'm gonna get myself off welfare and start
>paying taxes. FOUR MORE YEARS!!!    8-)
>
>Slim
>
>P.S.  One of the military packages that Kerry voted against was the Apache
>helicopters.  You know, the ones that keep crashing.
>
>On 9/10/04 11:52 AM, "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > yeah, we will always disgree.  But see below anyway:
> >
> > --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Very good Steve, there may be more to you than meets
> >> the eye! ;-) Why
> >> haven't you posted in this manner previously?
> >>
> >> Women's right  - I am talking about abortion
> >>
> > I am against abortion myself.  But I am a man this
> > this is a women thing.  I believe that women are smart
> > enough to make this decision on thier own.  And us men
> > should not be telling them what to do as it relates to
> > this.  Unless of course a women is wanting to have an
> > abortion and the father really want the child himself.
> > Therefore, his say must be brought into the equation.
> > Also, Roe Vs Wade is not going to be overturned in my
> > lifetime.  Women will always have the right to make
> > medical decision at it relates to thier bodies.  Same
> > as we men do.
> >
> >> Pork - It doesn't sound like you understand what is
> >> meant by pork
> >>
> > Business pork stimilates the economy.  Welfare pork
> > does not.
> >
> >> Medical subsidy - This is a bad idea, we just need
> >> to charge the rest of the
> >> world more! Even developed countries that can afford
> >> to pay more get drugs
> >> cheaper than we do.
> >
> > US companies charge different countries different
> > prices based on that country resources.  Again, what
> > is driving US prices up is that we are paying for the
> > R&D.  The subsidies will spread that out to all the
> > taxpayers making it easier & cheaper for the elderly
> > to buy thier drugs.  Beside, the democrats should be
> > for this - it's allowed the creation of a new welfare
> > program.  Something the Democrates have promised for
> > decades but you know who Delivered (it was Bush:-)
> >
> >
> > Charitable organizations can
> >> take care of the needy over
> >> seas. I am surprised you are for this! You are
> >> against providing hand outs
> >> in our country yet you care about the rest of the
> >> world?
> >>
> > The reason I am against it in this country is the
> > simple fact that American live in the greatest country
> > in the world.  90% of the time it is just plain
> > lazyness that keep people on welfare.  Its a simple
> > fact.  There is just no reason behind people being on
> > & staying on welfare is this country.  People can make
> > a living for themselves here.  It does require work.
> > May not be a good job.  May have to get dirty.  But
> > work is work.  Nothing wrong with having to work for a
> > living.  I DO IT; so can everyone else!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > As for the rest of the world; we must assist other
> > countries.  Example, Africa and the aids problem.  You
> > don't want all those deseases/virus spreading over
> > here.  We provide medicine to the countries but we
> > also provide doctors, researchers, analysts to come up
> > with solutions for combating the problems.  That way,
> > if the problems make it into the USA; we already have
> > a solution.  Or at least that the thinking behind it.
> > It would be nice if someone would come up with a
> > solution for aids.  But I know the USA is working on
> > it.
> >
> >> Beholden to oil companies - Think of how we work
> >> with Saudis, they support
> >> terror yet they are still our buds. Think attacking
> >> Iraq. There are worse
> >> examples of terror but these countries do not have
> >> oil so we don't care.
> >>
> > We do not fight over oil.  Irag had to be dealt with.
> > Saudis are making new reforms every day.  Look at
> > Libia for another example.  Iran may have to be next
> > on our list.  If a countries support terror; they need
> > to know they are on our list.  Remember, we are
> > fighting a war on terror.  Whereever it is and thier
> > are more fronts than just Afgan & Iraq.
> >
> >
> >> Judges and our rights - Think Patriot Act, we needed
> >> something passed but
> >> this was not the answer. The government is gaining
> >> access to things they
> >> have no business in. Think wire taps without
> >> warrants as a start. Access to
> >> our public library records. This all leads down a
> >> very slippery slope. And
> >> again think of women's rights.
> >>
> > The Patriot Act was a first step and a hurried one due
> > to the war. It will be roll in when it need is no
> > longer required.  Also, if you are not a terrorist,
> > this should not be so much of a concern.  I know I
> > don't worry about it.  But then I am a patriotic
> > SOB:-)
> >
> >
> >> Terrorism is on the rise! Heck even FOX has reported
> >> all the terror attacks
> >> going on. You say we don't want to live like isreal.
> >> it seems to me that
> >> Isreal has been quite agressive on fighting terror.
> >> I don't think their
> >> tactics have worked very well at all. We can't build
> >> a giant fence around
> >> our whole country. Terror attacks are up world wide.
> >>
> > The more they show themselfs, the easier it is for
> > countries to root it out.  We can't roll over, and let
> > them go unchecked.  There must be actions, to counter
> > thier actions.  Remember, you can't talk to a
> > terrorist.  The only solution is to kill them.  There
> > is no other way; no matter what Kerry say.  They strap
> > bomb to themselves and blow up civilize people.  There
> > no talking to a person in that mineset.  A bullet in
> > the head; solve the problem.  I know it tough for
> > liberals to think this way; but it really is the only
> > solution.
> >
> >
> >
> >> We should worry less about leading the world and
> >> more about solving are own
> >> problems. Our deficit is not due to welfare. Wasn't
> >> Clinton the guy that
> >> signed the bill leading to a huge reduction in
> >> welfare?
> >
> > No it wasn't.  However, Clinton did sign a lot of
> > bills that weaken our military and made us volumable
> > to these attacks.  Of course, because of his actions,
> > we are paying a lot more in a shorter period of time
> > to build our military back up so as to defend our
> > nation.  However, what you are referring to is the
> > entitlement programs that he converted to Block
> > Grants.  The money is all still there and still goes
> > to the same welfare program; just under a different
> > name.  They didn't call Clinton - Slick Willy for
> > nothing, you know.
> >
> >
> > Incomes in America
> >> are dropping for the first time in history and we
> >> will go broke trying to
> >> save the world. I never understand that those who
> >> seem the most against
> >> lending a hand in the US are the biggest supporters
> >> of trying to lead the
> >> world. I just don't get it.
> >>
> > It is only the recession that is affecting those
> > numbers.  Remember, in the private sector, if you are
> > NOT making money for the company you are working for -
> > YOU ARE NOT NEEDED and subject to be outsourced.  Just
> > make sure you are working and being an asset to the
> > company you are working for.  Conpanies do NOT do away
> > with its assets - BUT THE DEAD WOOD IS ELIMINATED ON A
> > REGULAR BASIS!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >> So Steve I guess we just disagree! At least you
> >> tried to explain your self
> >> without shouting insults!
> >>
> > Well, it Friday, Wally.  I an gennerally in a better
> > mood on Fridays:-)  Later, I got meeting the rest of
> > the day.
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >> Wally
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> >>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do with
> >> monsters?
> >>> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:13:20 -0700 (PDT)
> >>>
> >>> See below.  I will write inside message:
> >>>
> >>> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I don't know why I will bother but I will give
> >> it a
> >>>> shot. Keep in mind I am
> >>>> still not sure if I will vote for Kerry or go
> >>>> Libertarian. I have voted
> >>>> thrid party several times in the past and most
> >>>> likely will do so this time.
> >>>>
> >>>> Typically our country runs better with split
> >>>> congress and executive branch
> >>>> (check history books for this fact)
> >>>>
> >>>> He would most likely reign in republican pork
> >>>>
> >>> So called republican port allow companies to
> >> produce
> >>> goods or services with a higher profit margin.  The
> >>> higher the profit margin, the more workers the
> >>> companies will need to hire to produce more of the
> >>> goods & services to maintain its market share.
> >>>
> >>>> He would not pass a subsidy for drug companies
> >>>
> >>> R&D is the most expensive component of drugs.  US
> >> drug
> >>> companies lead the world in new chemical compounds
> >>> that have lead to the outpatient medical practice
> >> that
> >>> we see today.  Due to all the R&D, most inpatient
> >>> stays at a hospital are overnight.  This R&D is
> >> being
> >>> passed on to US citizens which is why we pay higher
> >>> prices for our drugs here in the US as oppose to
> >> other
> >>> countries where its citizens cannot afford them.
> >> This
> >>> is why the Bush administration went with the
> >> subidies
> >>> for drug companies in the Medicare PD plan so as to
> >>> spread the costs out to all the taxpayers whereas
> >> the
> >>> elderly can buy thier drugs at a lower cost.
> >>>>
> >>>> He would do a better job protecting our
> >> environment
> >>>>
> >>> I will give you this one but here is my point.
> >> There
> >>> are many enviromental laws already on the books.
> >> And
> >>> thier not going away.  Some have been lossen up
> >> while
> >>> this country pulls out of this recession but the
> >> basic
> >>> principles are still there.  Again, companies must
> >>> make money in order to hire new workers.  During a
> >>> recession, if you lossen up enviroment rules,
> >>> companies can adjust its spending to focus on its
> >> core
> >>> reason for being which is to manufacture its goods
> >> or
> >>> services which lead to new hiring.
> >>>
> >>>> He would not be beholding to oil companies
> >>>>
> >>> I have seen nothing that show that Bush is beholden
> >> to
> >>> oil companies.  All his policies have been equal to
> >>> all player to get this country back on its feet.
> >>> Example, the tariffs on steel.  Steel workers are
> >>> union workers which are usually democrats.  Bush is
> >>> pretty fair in my opinion.
> >>>
> >>>> He would do a better job supporting development
> >> of
> >>>> alternative fuels
> >>>>
> >>> Bush is supporting development of alternative
> >> fuels.
> >>> He have put more taxpayers money into this than
> >>> Clinton did.  But one thing to keep in mind as it
> >>> relates to this, until Americans decide to enbrace
> >>> alternative fuels, they will keep buying these gas
> >>> gussiling SUV.  Yes, I own a Big Chevy gas drinking
> >>> truck but most of the democrates I work with own
> >> them
> >>> too.  Note: you don't see John Kerry driving
> >>> alternative fuel car!
> >>>
> >>>> Support the scientific community and medical
> >>>> research
> >>>>
> >>> I don't know why you quote this one due to Bush has
> >>> put NASA into a mode to try and put a man on Mars.
> >>> NASA is the backbone for scientific inventsions.
> >>> Things that NASA invents works it way down into our
> >>> everyday life.  Stem cell research is funded by the
> >>> government but under moral principles.  Private
> >> sector
> >>> stem cell research is not governer or regulated.
> >>>
> >>>> Protect womens rights
> >>>>
> >>> Bush protects all womens rights.  He has done
> >> nothing
> >>> that would suggust otherwise.
> >>>
> >>>> He will appoint judges that respect the
> >> constitution
> >>>> and our rights.
> >>>>
> >>> I strongly disagree here.  Bush is a strong
> >> supporter
> >>> of the constitution.  If you look at all the cases
> >> of
> >>> judges that are NOT following the
> >> constitution;those
> >>> are liberal judges NOT conservative ones.  I have
> >> yet
> >>> to see a conservative judge sway from the written
> >> law.
> >>>  But there are many examples of liberal judes that
> >>> pass down rulings that are is sharp contrast to
> >> what
> >>> the law actually says.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> He will not confuse Al Queda with Saddam.
> >>>>
> >>> The war on terror has many fronts.  Al Queda &
> >>> Afganisam was the 1st front.  Saddam would not
> >> comply
> >>> with the UN.  The UN was being made to look like a
> >>> joke.  14 resolutions place on him & he still would
> >>> not comply.  The problem had to be dealt with.  The
> >>> Iraq people were being brutalize & killed and it
> >>> needed to stop. The world knew he had WMD; he used
> >>> them on his own people.  What he did with them, I
> >>> don't know.  But we do keep finding all kinds of
> >> stuff
> >>> out in the deasert.  For us to win the war on
> >> terror,
> >>> (remember we don't want to have to live like
> >> Israeli
> >>> where we have bombing in our streets everyday.  We
> >>> must take the fight to them.  If countries our
> >>> harboring terrorists, then those countries must be
> >>> dealt with so that the world know that this is NOT
> >>> acceptable behavior.
> >>>
> >>>> I realize all of the above is just speculation
> >> but
> >>>> based on what I have seen
> >>>> from Bush i would be willing to take my chances
> >> with
> >>>> just about anybody. He
> >>>> is spending our money like a drunken sailor.
> >>>
> >>> The US is the riches country on the plantet.  We
> >> must
> >>> step up to the plate and lead.  If we don't set an
> >>> example, Who Will?  Remember, this so called
> >> deficit
> >>> could be eliminated in a couple years if we reduced
> >>> walfare programs.  We have to many welfare programs
> >>> and they do nothing to promote new jobs and/or
> >>> stimulate the economy.  US companies do that!
> >>>
> >>> The
> >>>> best I can tell terrorism
> >>>> is on the rise world wide. I can't really blame
> >> Bush
> >>>> for that but I don't
> >>>> think our foreign policy has helped the
> >> situation.
> >>>> If anything he has made
> >>>> it worse.
> >>>>
> >>> Terrorism is not on the rise.  We are eliminating
> >> it.
> >>> We are killing them dead everyday.  What you are
> >>> seeing on the liberal media is the media trying to
> >>> paint a pictures worst than what it is.  Remember,
> >>> ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN are all Liberal Medias and they
> >>> promote Kerry.  YOu will never see anything on them
> >>> that show Bush in a good light.  It won't happen.
> >>>
> >>>> I am wondering if you can act like a big boy and
> >>>> respond without resorting
> >>>> to abusive name calling.
> >>>>
> >>> How was this?????????
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Wally
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> >>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do
> >> with
> >>>> monsters?
> >>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:56:36 -0700 (PDT)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris
> >>>>> Check the polls.  Of course you will find out
> >> for
> >>>> sure
> >>>>> come November.  BTW: I have yet to see one good
> >>>>> argument from all you liberals on what Kerry
> >> can do
> >>>>> good for this country.  All I keep hearing is
> >> Bush
> >>>>> bashing.  Kerry has no good record to talk
> >> about.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Again, he has voted against every major weapons
> >>>> system
> >>>>> that keep this country free.  Explain
> >>>> that!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>>> Steve
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Steve,
> >>>>>>  The strength of your logic and
> >> comprehension of
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> constitution are in
> >>>>>> inverse proportion to the depth of your name
> >>>>>> calling.  There is no way that
> >>>>>> you represent the mainstream of America or
> >> even
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> Republican party.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chris G.
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 1:28 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you do
> >> with
> >>>>>> monsters?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wally / Eric
> >>>>>>> For the record, I question anyone
> >> patriotism
> >>>> when
> >>>>>> all
> >>>>>>> they do is talk liberial crap.  I question
> >> John
> >>>>>> Kerry
> >>>>>>> patriotism, I question his honor, and I
> >>>> question
> >>>>>> his
> >>>>>>> seft serving attitude.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When it time to fight; this country has to
> >>>> LEAD.
> >>>>>> And
> >>>>>>> I question liberal democrats patriotism for
> >> not
> >>>>>>> knowing the need to FIGHT FOR FREEDOM.  YES
> >> YOU
> >>>> ARE
> >>>>>>> COWARDS.  AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FIGHT
> >> FOR
> >>>> THIS
> >>>>>>> COUNTRY; GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You democrats do nothing to help this
> >> country.
> >>>> You
> >>>>>>> are a drain on it resources.  YOu wonder
> >> why
> >>>>>> Companies
> >>>>>>> out source jobs to other countries; IT'S
> >>>> BECAUSE OF
> >>>>>>> ALL THE LAZY ASS DEMOCRATS THAT WON'T PUT
> >> IN A
> >>>> HARD
> >>>>>>> DAY WORK FOR THEIR PAYCHECK.  Companies are
> >> not
> >>>> a
> >>>>>>> welfare program.  Work for you paycheck.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This election is all about the WAR.  Who
> >> will
> >>>>>> defend
> >>>>>>> this country against all the terrorists who
> >> are
> >>>>>>> willing to kill democrats and republicans &
> >>>>>>> independents.  The answere is George W.
> >> Bush.
> >>>> John
> >>>>>>> Kerry is a flip flop, can't decide what
> >> side of
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>> fence he is on, say whatever the crowd
> >> whats -
> >>>>>> LIBERAL
> >>>>>>> DEMOCRAT.   John Kerry CANNOT be trusted to
> >>>> defend
> >>>>>>> this country.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As far as any of you people not liking what
> >> I
> >>>> have
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> say about liberal democrats - KISS MY
> >> COUNTRY
> >>>>>>> ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When it come to my family life, I know that
> >>>> George
> >>>>>> W.
> >>>>>>> Bush will do what is necessary to defend
> >> this
> >>>>>> country.
> >>>>>>> Which may mean invade Iran, North Korea
> >> and
> >>>> any
> >>>>>> other
> >>>>>>> country that posise a threat.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And quit worring about out solders.  That
> >> are
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> best
> >>>>>>> fighting men in the world.  Yes, we may
> >> lose a
> >>>> few,
> >>>>>>> But thier fighting for liberity, freedom
> >> for
> >>>> people
> >>>>>>> that the rest of the world like France &
> >>>> Germany
> >>>>>> won't
> >>>>>>> help.  We American help; that what we do.
> >> LIVE
> >>>>>> WITH
> >>>>>>> IT!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>>>>>> STEVE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> PS - and if you don't like this; do the
> >> letter
> >>>> F  O
> >>>>>>> mean anything.  If you are a coward, learn
> >> to
> >>>> live
> >>>>>>> with it; or change yourself.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Eric,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You are quite welcome. Steve has insulted
> >> my
> >>>>>>>> "liberal" family members who
> >>>>>>>> served as well. I have tried explaining
> >> to
> >>>> Steve
> >>>>>>>> that I usually am quite
> >>>>>>>> conservative but I was against the US
> >>>> invading
> >>>>>> Iraq
> >>>>>>>> when we did. I still am
> >>>>>>>> today. Steve thinks just because someone
> >> is
> >>>>>> against
> >>>>>>>> the war with Iraq they
> >>>>>>>> are liberal cowards. He seems to be the
> >> only
> >>>> one
> >>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> this list who cannot
> >>>>>>>> communicate his view without resorting to
> >>>>>> insults.
> >>>>>>>> Some folks either don't
> >>>>>>>> know US history or chose to ignore it. It
> >>>> seems
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> me several democrats have
> >>>>>>>> led this nation into war/armed conflicts,
> >>>> think
> >>>>>> FDR,
> >>>>>>>> Truman, Kennedy,
> >>>>>>>> Johnson and yes even Clinton.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Wally
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: eric.charles.newburger at census.gov
> >>>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What do you
> >> do
> >>>> with
> >>>>>>>> monsters?
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 14:53:22 -0400
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, Wally, for your reply to
> >> Steve.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> A lot of my liberal family members have
> >>>> served
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> the military...my Father,
> >>>>>>>>> Step Father, Father in Law, Uncles,
> >> others.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I didn't like reading words that
> >> impugned
> >>>> their
> >>>>>>>> honor.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I wrote a rather uncivil reply, which
> >> I've
> >>>> kept
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> myself.  I much prefer
> >>>>>>>>> Wally's.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Eric Newburger
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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