[Rhodes22-list] Heaving To

Mark Kaynor mark at kaynor.org
Wed Apr 6 11:45:17 EDT 2005


Hank,

Here's a good explanation:
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Mark 

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:33 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To

OK, maybe you guys can finally answer for me what exactly is heaving to?
I've heard of it and I would like to try and figure out how to do it, but I
have never been able to get someone to explain exactly what it is?

Thanks,

Hank

On Apr 6, 2005 10:04 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Slim,
> 
> In 30 kts. I use only enough sail to maintain control.  It's all done 
> by feel, but the process is exactly the same as balancing the sails 
> when sailing normally.  This is not difficult to do with the IMF, 
> because you have so much less sail out.  You point into the wind, and 
> work with the boom over the cockpit.  Same with the Genny.  Don't try to
fight the wind.
> 
> How far you drift is a function of lots and lots of variables.  I 
> would estimate between 1 1/2 and 3 kts/hr.  The variable you can't 
> control is your freeboard, so you must decide on an angle you want to 
> present your freeboad to the wind, and set sails and rudder appropriately.
> 
> Pointing high is not an option under high wind conditions, but you 
> will have more than 180 degrees of sailing possibilities when hove to 
> in high wind situations.
> 
> I do not drop the centerboard when heaving to, because I am often not 
> watching where I am going from minute to minute, and don't want to 
> increase the risk of hitting something.  In Long Island Sound the 
> greatest risk is Lobster Pots, which can be anywhere, can be anchored 
> to the seabed, and can bring a large sailing vessel to a dead halt in 
> a second.  The last thing you want is to be fighting undersea cables 
> suddenly attached to your boat in a wind storm.  With the board up, 
> stuff may kiss the bottom, but the boat will float over it with the 
> next wave.
> 
> I have never used a sea anchor and would be disinclined to do so.
> Practice heaving to instead.  Once you understand it, you see that you 
> can maintain control of your boat in almost any situation.  (No wind, 
> no
> control.)
> 
> Heaving to with an IMF is as interesting as sailing with an IMF.  I do 
> different things almost every time I try it, to better understand what 
> to do in an "emergency".
> 
> Yes, you can sail in many different directions when hove to.  You can 
> go faster or slower.  You can be more comfortable and relaxed, or less.
> But once you make these decisions, you lash your tiller, and lock into 
> the decisions you made until you decide to change to a different 
> strategy or course.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> Steve Alm wrote:
> 
> >Bill,
> >
> >When heaving to in the 30 kt. range, how deep are your sails reefed?
> >Also, do you have any estimate of how far you drift in an hour?  Can 
> >you slow the drift by dropping the board?  Do you ever use a sea 
> >anchor?  Do you do anything different when conditions vary from wind 
> >and current in the same direction to wind and current in different
directions?
> >
> >
> >
> >>I have heaved-to (hoven-to?) under similar conditions, and it was a 
> >>delightful piece of cake.  I ate a casual meal, listened to my 
> >>stereo, and could sail my boat exactly where I wanted it to be for 
> >>hours on end.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I'm a little confused here.  Are you heaving to or are you sailing?  
> >Can you steer the boat in different directions while you're heaving to?
> >
> >Slim
> >
> >On 3/14/05 9:47 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Peter,
> >>
> >>As mentioned previously, my boat is on a mooring when it's in the 
> >>water--a 300 lb. mushroom anchor with properly sized ground tackle 
> >>pulled and inspected once every 3 years--which is a harbor master 
> >>condition for all boats in our harbor, so I know the anchor and 
> >>tackle will hold, and everyone else's is going to hold, too.
> >>
> >>One night, out of curiosity, I decided to stay on board when I knew 
> >>a good blow was coming through, just to see what it would be like.  
> >>It is not an experience I ever intend to repeat.
> >>
> >>The wind was in the 30 kt. range.  The harbor is sheltered, so the 
> >>waves never get much beyond 1-2 feet, but the tidal range is 9 feet, 
> >>so a lot of water funnels in and out at a pretty good clip.  Once 
> >>the decision is made to stay on board, its a very very bad idea to
change your mind.
> >>
> >>Intellectually I knew the boat had been through these conditions 
> >>many times in the past without incident--the only difference was 
> >>that I was on board.  No pop-top enclosure.  Everything battened 
> >>down as if I were not on board.
> >>
> >>The boat creaked and strained all night long.  If anything gave way, 
> >>it was going to give way with a "snap"--and I was quite sure I 
> >>didn't want to be on board if that happened.  I didn't think I was 
> >>going to die, and I thought nothing would give way that 
> >>night...probably.  But I was not a happy sailor; I got very little 
> >>sleep; and I couldn't formulate any reasonable plan for what I might 
> >>do if something happened.  I just hoped nothing would happen, and
nothing did.
> >>
> >>If I had set anchors, I couldn't have checked them. (I surely would 
> >>have set multiple anchors.)  That would have added to my anxiety.  
> >>The boat has fouled the mushroom anchor in the past and lifted it 
> >>right out of the bottom.  I checked it for fouling before I went below.
> >>
> >>I have heaved-to (hoven-to?) under similar conditions, and it was a 
> >>delightful piece of cake.  I ate a casual meal, listened to my 
> >>stereo, and could sail my boat exactly where I wanted it to be for 
> >>hours on end.  My pond is big enough (Long Island Sound) so that I 
> >>can stay off lee shores for enough time to catch a little sleep.
> >>
> >>If I ever see conditions like those coming again I will surely get 
> >>off my boat if I can.  If I can't, I will find open water and heave to.
> >>
> >>Bill
> >>
> >>Peter Thorn wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Bill,
> >>>
> >>>What are the worst conditions you have experienced at anchor?  Have 
> >>>you ever been caught out in 30+ winds and waves?  If so, how did 
> >>>you anchor?  Just curious.
> >>>
> >>>PT
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:04 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Chain Question
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Bill,
> >>>>
> >>>>I've got the Fortress FX11, and I think it's a terrific anchor.  I 
> >>>>also have the smallest Guardian anchor, which I store in a pouch, 
> >>>>unassembled, and I've been very happy with that one also.
> >>>>
> >>>>I think those people know a lot about anchors, and I would be 
> >>>>inclined to follow their recommendations.
> >>>>
> >>>>I have several lines with differing amounts of chain on each, and 
> >>>>several with no chain at all.  I find I always go for the no chain 
> >>>>at all, because I've never had any trouble with it, and it's so 
> >>>>much easier to handle.
> >>>>
> >>>>The trick to anchoring (as with so many other things) is practice.  
> >>>>Try setting your anchor when it's not critical.  See if you have 
> >>>>enough navigation skill to be able to determine if your anchor is
dragging.
> >>>>
> >>>>When it's really blowing you shouldn't be on our boats in the 
> >>>>first place.  Anchoring and praying is not the answer.  If you are 
> >>>>trapped in a situation like this, and can't get to shore, head for 
> >>>>open water and heave-to.  Practice heaving-to, too.  Work with the 
> >>>>elements, not against them.
> >>>>
> >>>>The guy who developed those anchors recommends setting 2 at 180 
> >>>>degrees apart and tying both off on the bow.  Then neither one 
> >>>>will have to reset if current or wind shifts.  Differing lengths 
> >>>>of chain will  not matter, longer scope can be set because the 
> >>>>boat will rotate in a much smaller arc relative to other boats.
> >>>>
> >>>>Avoid anchor overkill.  That goes for the chain, too.
> >>>>
> >>>>Bill Effros
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>William E. Wickman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I just got my nifty Fortress FX7 anchor.  The instructions that 
> >>>>>came with the anchor said to use a short length of anchor chain 
> >>>>>(6 feet of chain if anchoring in 25' of water or less, and add 
> >>>>>another 6 feet of chain for
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>each
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>additional 25' of depth).  Their claim is that chain anchor rodes 
> >>>>>lack
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>shock absorbancy of nylon rope when the wind increases.  This 
> >>>>>advice runs contrary to what I have been reading in the Rhodes 
> >>>>>FAQ that most of you
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>are
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>using around 20 feet of chain.  So, does the Fortress require 
> >>>>>less chain because it is so light?  What gives?  I presume that 
> >>>>>these anchor guys
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>know
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>what they are talking about, but...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Also, since I have 20 feet of chain that I use with my gbi 
> >>>>>anchor, what
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>are
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>the dynamics of using shorter chain on a second anchor when 
> >>>>>setting two anchors?  Does it really matter?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>B. Wickman
> >>>>>
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