[Rhodes22-list] Sleeping in Cockpit

Sat Aug 27 09:14:49 EDT 2005

Bill,

I have homemade tarp/awning that takes care of dew. I have considered the 
aerobed idea in cockpit but would use an insert to support center rather 
than beanbag chair. I am not sure I really want to mess with pump and 
setting up and deflating bed every time. We usually sleep in cabin double 
with pop top up and rainfly from dome tent over poptop. Our routine usually 
involves me waking early and enjoying coffee in the cokpit while Jenny 
sleeps in. My cushions are not that comfortable for sitting. I solved the 
sleeping problem with a huge piece of memory foam cut out to fit in cabin 
berth.

I am going to the attic and getting the sewing machine down. Jenny says she 
knows how to use it but some how in 22 years of marriage I have never seen 
it used .....anyway we are atarting with tiller cover and winch covers. Next 
will be a cabin hatch cover and then this winter we may try new cushions.

Wally

>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sleeping in Cockpit
>Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:51:53 -0400
>
>Wally,
>
>The only reason I want a Boom Room has to do with dew point issues.  Some 
>nights the cockpit can get a quarter inch of dew, so I don't dare sleep out 
>all night.
>
>It seems to me, in your case, you could buy an Aerobed--full size--and 
>deploy it in the cockpit without the fill in cushions.  If you had bean bag 
>chairs, like the ones mentioned in the previous post, you could put them on 
>the cabin floor under the Aerobed, to help support the center.
>
>I will try this out the next time I go to my boat, and report back.  The 
>Aerobed costs around $60.  If the idea works, you could support the center 
>with anything that wouldn't pop the air bag.
>
>The Aerobed will change the life of anyone who enjoys sleeping on the boat. 
>  It is huge by boating standards.  It is as comfortable as your bed at 
>home.  It is possible to deploy 2 of them.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>
>Wally Buck wrote:
>
>>Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to spend. You need to 
>>determine production and shipping costs. From there add the desired mark 
>>up. That is the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry large cost for 
>>inventory. I would suspect that prices could be quoted for different 
>>sizes. Get quotes for 5, 10 25, each.  I have no idea who to go to for 
>>"quotes" in China but it sounds like there might be folks on this list 
>>that do.
>>
>>Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with fill in. Also cabin 
>>cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am also getting price 
>>locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the most likely will look 
>>like crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam and not pay 
>>shipping. Ordering from GB means they will fit right but I don't want 
>>standard foam. In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches of foam with 1 inch 
>>of memory foam glued on top side. I have seen cushions made this way and 
>>they are great for sleeping and sitting. I am still working on best foam 
>>for cockpit (with fill in).
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
>>>
>>>Wally,
>>>
>>>Can you put numbers on your desires?  I mean this quite seriously.  I 
>>>know you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair to Stan.  At what 
>>>price would you buy various items from Stan?  Which items would you be 
>>>most interested in?  What would you be willing to pay?  You will not be 
>>>held to any of this--it is just part of an exercise to see if what we all 
>>>want can be done.
>>>
>>>Bill Effros
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Wally Buck wrote:
>>>
>>>>If you are asking me if I have a problem purchasing Chinese made boat 
>>>>parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send payment to Stan the 
>>>>source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer to buy "USA" but I 
>>>>have owned many imported cars.
>>>>
>>>>You also asked if price is holding me back from purchasing boat goodies 
>>>>from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have new cabin cushions, new 
>>>>cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions, pop-top enclosure, bimini. 
>>>>The boom room really doesn't interest me. We overnight quite a bit. If 
>>>>it is stormy we go in cabin. If it is nice we like the view from 
>>>>cockpit. We also swim and fish.  I am trying to decide if I should spend 
>>>>the money on my R22 or perhaps sell and use the cash from all of those 
>>>>upgrades for .......
>>>>
>>>>I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish  list as well.
>>>>
>>>>Wally
>>>>
>>>>>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our discussion of boom 
>>>>>rooms, etc. which he has been following while vacationing in China.
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in his exploring Chinese 
>>>>>manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top Enclosures, Cockpit and Cabin 
>>>>>Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the little stuff the Chinese 
>>>>>can make for a fraction of what it costs to manufacture in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't think Brad has either, 
>>>>>however it goes without saying that if Stan doesn't like the idea, Brad 
>>>>>is not going to do it.  Stan would make money on every item made in 
>>>>>China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's what he'll get.  There 
>>>>>will be no negotiation on this.
>>>>>
>>>>>But before he even begins the project, Brad wants to know how the 
>>>>>ultimate consumers feel about this idea.  If Brad can set up 
>>>>>manufacturing in China with Stan's approval, would Rhodes owners buy 
>>>>>the Chinese made products?
>>>>>
>>>>>Stan would have to provide the original patterns and specifications, 
>>>>>but that is all Stan would have to do.  Brad believes he can set up a 
>>>>>reliable manufacturing operation in China that will produce any of 
>>>>>these products to Stan's satisfaction at a lower cost than Stan can get 
>>>>>them produced in the US.
>>>>>
>>>>>5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms.  Me, Chris, Dave, Bruce, 
>>>>>and maybe Bob.  (Did I miss anyone?)  I would be willing to be the 
>>>>>guinea pig on this. How do the rest of you feel?  Bob, if we could 
>>>>>bring the price down, at what price would you be a player?
>>>>>
>>>>>What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or Battened IMF sails, 
>>>>>or cockpit fill in cushions?  Is there a price for these items that 
>>>>>would prompt you to take money out of your pocket and put it on the 
>>>>>table?
>>>>>
>>>>>Look at Stan's options prices on his web site 
>>>>>(http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html).  Is there something you 
>>>>>would actually buy if the price were lower?  If so, what would the 
>>>>>price have to be?
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't have much time to see 
>>>>>if he can set up something like this.  If you think this is a terrible 
>>>>>idea, please speak up quickly so we all know where we stand.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can actually do it.  It is 
>>>>>something we can all do to put more money in Stan's pocket right away, 
>>>>>while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost.  It's a win-win...if 
>>>>>Brad can pull it off.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note.  Brad is a commercial airline pilot who no longer owns a 
>>>>>Rhodes 22.  There is nothing in this deal for him.  He will always make 
>>>>>more money flying an airplane than getting involved in a crazy sailboat 
>>>>>spare parts Chinese manufacturing scheme.  He just happens to be in 
>>>>>China right now, saw Stan's Lament, and asked if there was anything he 
>>>>>could do to help.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill Effros
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