[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions

Sat Aug 27 12:10:39 EDT 2005

Wally,

My GB cockpit cushions are very comfortable and as you might guess from my
nick name, I have very little natural padding to make sitting any better.  I
sleep on them comfortably as well.  Not true of my filler cushions--they're
hard as a rock and I rarely use them.

Slim

On 8/27/05 10:42 AM, "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Bill, Thanks for your response. To clarify. I have cushions in cockpit now
> but they are shot. I do like the folding chairs but I would rather put that
> money toward new cushions.
> 
> I was wondering if you added all of these other seating devices because the
> cushions were uncomfortable. Your first description of seating arrangements
> didn't mention comfort of cockpit cushions alone. Your solution would have
> me purchasing 2 Captains Chairs, 2 bean bag chairs, and 2 folding chairs
> from West along with all new cockpit cushions. That is not an option.
> 
> i like an uncluttered cockpit as well as uncluttered cabin. Anne says her GB
> cushions are comfortable so that answered my question. :-)
> 
> Wally
> 
> Lawn is mowed - NOW I am off to lake!
> 
> 
>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:49:00 -0400
>> 
>> Wally,
>> 
>> I guess I never even considered sailing without cushions on the fiberglass
>> benches.  Even though I frequently sail single handed, and always sail from
>> Captain's Seats, I always put out Stan's cushions--every single time.  They
>> are part of the boat, as far as I'm concerned.  I think the proportions of
>> everything are better for sailing when the cushions are in place.  Also, as
>> noted previously, I don't bang myself up as much with the cushions
>> protecting me from harder surfaces.
>> 
>> I only sit on the cushions when hove-to, or at anchor, and I guess they are
>> comfortable, enough.  But they are not as comfortable as the cushions with
>> bean bag chairs on top of them, or the cushions with "Elton's" folding
>> seats on top of them.  (I never put the bean bag chairs or folding seats
>> directly on the fiberglass benches--that is not as comfortable as Stan's
>> cushions alone.)
>> 
>> When guests come aboard my boat they always marvel at how comfortable they
>> all are--not just the person who grabs the other Captain's seat.  My boat
>> has 6 comfortable seats while sailing.  They are all based on putting
>> Stan's cockpit cushions over the hard benches.  Since I sail the boat
>> upright, people do not shift back and forth every time I tack.  They find a
>> comfortable seat, and stay in it for the entire ride.
>> 
>> My cockpit, with Stan's cushions and my additional seats, is more
>> comfortable for all of the passengers and crew than any other boat I've
>> ever been in.
>> 
>> Bill Effros
>> 
>> Wally Buck wrote:
>> 
>>> I would be using Stan's cockpit cushions for seating. Are they
>>> confortable?
>>> 
>>> Wally
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>>>> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:37:29 -0400
>>>> 
>>>> Wally,
>>>> 
>>>> I have Stan's cockpit cushions.  I almost never sit directly on them.  I
>>>> generally sit in a captain's chair, with my feet on the cushions.  I also
>>>> have 2 folding seats (available from West for around $50), and 2 beanbag
>>>> chairs purchased from the beanbag lady at a boat show for around $75
>>>> each.  All 6 seats can be comfortably deployed simultaneously.  Each seat
>>>> is more comfortable than any seat that comes standard in any sailboat
>>>> I've ever been on.
>>>> 
>>>> Stan's cushions fit perfectly, and have proved very durable.  They are 7
>>>> years old and still look brand new.  I store them  (along with all the
>>>> other seats) on the settee when not in use.  I put them out immediately
>>>> every time I go on board.  This takes around 14 seconds.  I like them for
>>>> kneeling when I am pulling in anchors or putting out fenders.  Every now
>>>> and again I kneel to do something after I have put away the cushions.
>>>> Boy those seats are hard!
>>>> 
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>> 
>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to spend. You need to
>>>>> determine production and shipping costs. From there add the desired mark
>>>>> up. That is the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry large cost
>>>>> for inventory. I would suspect that prices could be quoted for different
>>>>> sizes. Get quotes for 5, 10 25, each.  I have no idea who to go to for
>>>>> "quotes" in China but it sounds like there might be folks on this list
>>>>> that do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with fill in. Also cabin
>>>>> cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am also getting price
>>>>> locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the most likely will look
>>>>> like crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam and not pay
>>>>> shipping. Ordering from GB means they will fit right but I don't want
>>>>> standard foam. In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches of foam with 1
>>>>> inch of memory foam glued on top side. I have seen cushions made this
>>>>> way and they are great for sleeping and sitting. I am still working on
>>>>> best foam for cockpit (with fill in).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wally
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can you put numbers on your desires?  I mean this quite seriously.  I
>>>>>> know you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair to Stan.  At
>>>>>> what price would you buy various items from Stan?  Which items would
>>>>>> you be most interested in?  What would you be willing to pay?  You will
>>>>>> not be held to any of this--it is just part of an exercise to see if
>>>>>> what we all want can be done.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you are asking me if I have a problem purchasing Chinese made boat
>>>>>>> parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send payment to Stan the
>>>>>>> source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer to buy "USA" but I
>>>>>>> have owned many imported cars.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You also asked if price is holding me back from purchasing boat
>>>>>>> goodies from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have new cabin
>>>>>>> cushions, new cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions, pop-top
>>>>>>> enclosure, bimini. The boom room really doesn't interest me. We
>>>>>>> overnight quite a bit. If it is stormy we go in cabin. If it is nice
>>>>>>> we like the view from cockpit. We also swim and fish.  I am trying to
>>>>>>> decide if I should spend the money on my R22 or perhaps sell and use
>>>>>>> the cash from all of those upgrades for .......
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish  list as well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our discussion of boom
>>>>>>>> rooms, etc. which he has been following while vacationing in China.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in his exploring Chinese
>>>>>>>> manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top Enclosures, Cockpit and
>>>>>>>> Cabin Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the little stuff the
>>>>>>>> Chinese can make for a fraction of what it costs to manufacture in
>>>>>>>> the US.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't think Brad has either,
>>>>>>>> however it goes without saying that if Stan doesn't like the idea,
>>>>>>>> Brad is not going to do it.  Stan would make money on every item made
>>>>>>>> in China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's what he'll get.
>>>>>>>> There will be no negotiation on this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> But before he even begins the project, Brad wants to know how the
>>>>>>>> ultimate consumers feel about this idea.  If Brad can set up
>>>>>>>> manufacturing in China with Stan's approval, would Rhodes owners buy
>>>>>>>> the Chinese made products?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Stan would have to provide the original patterns and specifications,
>>>>>>>> but that is all Stan would have to do.  Brad believes he can set up a
>>>>>>>> reliable manufacturing operation in China that will produce any of
>>>>>>>> these products to Stan's satisfaction at a lower cost than Stan can
>>>>>>>> get them produced in the US.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms.  Me, Chris, Dave, Bruce,
>>>>>>>> and maybe Bob.  (Did I miss anyone?)  I would be willing to be the
>>>>>>>> guinea pig on this. How do the rest of you feel?  Bob, if we could
>>>>>>>> bring the price down, at what price would you be a player?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or Battened IMF sails,
>>>>>>>> or cockpit fill in cushions?  Is there a price for these items that
>>>>>>>> would prompt you to take money out of your pocket and put it on the
>>>>>>>> table?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Look at Stan's options prices on his web site
>>>>>>>> (http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html).  Is there something you
>>>>>>>> would actually buy if the price were lower?  If so, what would the
>>>>>>>> price have to be?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't have much time to
>>>>>>>> see if he can set up something like this.  If you think this is a
>>>>>>>> terrible idea, please speak up quickly so we all know where we stand.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can actually do it.  It
>>>>>>>> is something we can all do to put more money in Stan's pocket right
>>>>>>>> away, while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost.  It's a
>>>>>>>> win-win...if Brad can pull it off.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Please note.  Brad is a commercial airline pilot who no longer owns a
>>>>>>>> Rhodes 22.  There is nothing in this deal for him.  He will always
>>>>>>>> make more money flying an airplane than getting involved in a crazy
>>>>>>>> sailboat spare parts Chinese manufacturing scheme.  He just happens
>>>>>>>> to be in China right now, saw Stan's Lament, and asked if there was
>>>>>>>> anything he could do to help.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
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