[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
Wally Buck
tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Sat Aug 27 13:30:25 EDT 2005
So your filler cushions are different? Is that the norm?
Wally
>From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
>Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:10:39 -0500
>
>Wally,
>
>My GB cockpit cushions are very comfortable and as you might guess from my
>nick name, I have very little natural padding to make sitting any better.
>I
>sleep on them comfortably as well. Not true of my filler cushions--they're
>hard as a rock and I rarely use them.
>
>Slim
>
>On 8/27/05 10:42 AM, "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill, Thanks for your response. To clarify. I have cushions in cockpit
>now
> > but they are shot. I do like the folding chairs but I would rather put
>that
> > money toward new cushions.
> >
> > I was wondering if you added all of these other seating devices because
>the
> > cushions were uncomfortable. Your first description of seating
>arrangements
> > didn't mention comfort of cockpit cushions alone. Your solution would
>have
> > me purchasing 2 Captains Chairs, 2 bean bag chairs, and 2 folding chairs
> > from West along with all new cockpit cushions. That is not an option.
> >
> > i like an uncluttered cockpit as well as uncluttered cabin. Anne says
>her GB
> > cushions are comfortable so that answered my question. :-)
> >
> > Wally
> >
> > Lawn is mowed - NOW I am off to lake!
> >
> >
> >> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
> >> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:49:00 -0400
> >>
> >> Wally,
> >>
> >> I guess I never even considered sailing without cushions on the
>fiberglass
> >> benches. Even though I frequently sail single handed, and always sail
>from
> >> Captain's Seats, I always put out Stan's cushions--every single time.
>They
> >> are part of the boat, as far as I'm concerned. I think the proportions
>of
> >> everything are better for sailing when the cushions are in place.
>Also, as
> >> noted previously, I don't bang myself up as much with the cushions
> >> protecting me from harder surfaces.
> >>
> >> I only sit on the cushions when hove-to, or at anchor, and I guess they
>are
> >> comfortable, enough. But they are not as comfortable as the cushions
>with
> >> bean bag chairs on top of them, or the cushions with "Elton's" folding
> >> seats on top of them. (I never put the bean bag chairs or folding
>seats
> >> directly on the fiberglass benches--that is not as comfortable as
>Stan's
> >> cushions alone.)
> >>
> >> When guests come aboard my boat they always marvel at how comfortable
>they
> >> all are--not just the person who grabs the other Captain's seat. My
>boat
> >> has 6 comfortable seats while sailing. They are all based on putting
> >> Stan's cockpit cushions over the hard benches. Since I sail the boat
> >> upright, people do not shift back and forth every time I tack. They
>find a
> >> comfortable seat, and stay in it for the entire ride.
> >>
> >> My cockpit, with Stan's cushions and my additional seats, is more
> >> comfortable for all of the passengers and crew than any other boat I've
> >> ever been in.
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >>
> >> Wally Buck wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would be using Stan's cockpit cushions for seating. Are they
> >>> confortable?
> >>>
> >>> Wally
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> >>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Cushions
> >>>> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:37:29 -0400
> >>>>
> >>>> Wally,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have Stan's cockpit cushions. I almost never sit directly on them.
> I
> >>>> generally sit in a captain's chair, with my feet on the cushions. I
>also
> >>>> have 2 folding seats (available from West for around $50), and 2
>beanbag
> >>>> chairs purchased from the beanbag lady at a boat show for around $75
> >>>> each. All 6 seats can be comfortably deployed simultaneously. Each
>seat
> >>>> is more comfortable than any seat that comes standard in any sailboat
> >>>> I've ever been on.
> >>>>
> >>>> Stan's cushions fit perfectly, and have proved very durable. They
>are 7
> >>>> years old and still look brand new. I store them (along with all
>the
> >>>> other seats) on the settee when not in use. I put them out
>immediately
> >>>> every time I go on board. This takes around 14 seconds. I like them
>for
> >>>> kneeling when I am pulling in anchors or putting out fenders. Every
>now
> >>>> and again I kneel to do something after I have put away the cushions.
> >>>> Boy those seats are hard!
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Effros
> >>>>
> >>>> Wally Buck wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Bill, It is hard to guess what I would want to spend. You need to
> >>>>> determine production and shipping costs. From there add the desired
>mark
> >>>>> up. That is the price. I am sure GB does not want to carry large
>cost
> >>>>> for inventory. I would suspect that prices could be quoted for
>different
> >>>>> sizes. Get quotes for 5, 10 25, each. I have no idea who to go to
>for
> >>>>> "quotes" in China but it sounds like there might be folks on this
>list
> >>>>> that do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Initially I would want new cockpit cushions with fill in. Also cabin
> >>>>> cushions. I am considering doing this myself. I am also getting
>price
> >>>>> locally. One drawbck to doing them myself is the most likely will
>look
> >>>>> like crap. Having them done locally means I can test foam and not
>pay
> >>>>> shipping. Ordering from GB means they will fit right but I don't
>want
> >>>>> standard foam. In the cabin I want to go with 3 inches of foam with
>1
> >>>>> inch of memory foam glued on top side. I have seen cushions made
>this
> >>>>> way and they are great for sleeping and sitting. I am still working
>on
> >>>>> best foam for cockpit (with fill in).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wally
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> >>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
> >>>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:02:44 -0400
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wally,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can you put numbers on your desires? I mean this quite seriously.
>I
> >>>>>> know you use your boat, and I know you want to be fair to Stan. At
> >>>>>> what price would you buy various items from Stan? Which items
>would
> >>>>>> you be most interested in? What would you be willing to pay? You
>will
> >>>>>> not be held to any of this--it is just part of an exercise to see
>if
> >>>>>> what we all want can be done.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bill Effros
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wally Buck wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you are asking me if I have a problem purchasing Chinese made
>boat
> >>>>>>> parts from Stan ....If I place my order and send payment to Stan
>the
> >>>>>>> source doesn't concern me too much. I would prefer to buy "USA"
>but I
> >>>>>>> have owned many imported cars.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You also asked if price is holding me back from purchasing boat
> >>>>>>> goodies from GB. The answer is yes. I would love to have new cabin
> >>>>>>> cushions, new cockpit cushions, cokcpit fill-in cushions, pop-top
> >>>>>>> enclosure, bimini. The boom room really doesn't interest me. We
> >>>>>>> overnight quite a bit. If it is stormy we go in cabin. If it is
>nice
> >>>>>>> we like the view from cockpit. We also swim and fish. I am trying
>to
> >>>>>>> decide if I should spend the money on my R22 or perhaps sell and
>use
> >>>>>>> the cash from all of those upgrades for .......
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I forgot, add the battened IMF to my wish list as well.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wally
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> >>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>>> To: R22 List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chinese Boom Rooms?
> >>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:21:37 -0400
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Brad Haslett emailed me off-list regarding our discussion of boom
> >>>>>>>> rooms, etc. which he has been following while vacationing in
>China.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Brad asked if anyone would have an interest in his exploring
>Chinese
> >>>>>>>> manufacture of Boom Rooms, Sails, Pop-Top Enclosures, Cockpit and
> >>>>>>>> Cabin Cushions, Cockpit Fill in Boards, -- all the little stuff
>the
> >>>>>>>> Chinese can make for a fraction of what it costs to manufacture
>in
> >>>>>>>> the US.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have not asked Stan about this, and I don't think Brad has
>either,
> >>>>>>>> however it goes without saying that if Stan doesn't like the
>idea,
> >>>>>>>> Brad is not going to do it. Stan would make money on every item
>made
> >>>>>>>> in China, and whatever he says is his cut, that's what he'll get.
> >>>>>>>> There will be no negotiation on this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But before he even begins the project, Brad wants to know how the
> >>>>>>>> ultimate consumers feel about this idea. If Brad can set up
> >>>>>>>> manufacturing in China with Stan's approval, would Rhodes owners
>buy
> >>>>>>>> the Chinese made products?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Stan would have to provide the original patterns and
>specifications,
> >>>>>>>> but that is all Stan would have to do. Brad believes he can set
>up a
> >>>>>>>> reliable manufacturing operation in China that will produce any
>of
> >>>>>>>> these products to Stan's satisfaction at a lower cost than Stan
>can
> >>>>>>>> get them produced in the US.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 5 of us indicated an interest in Boom Rooms. Me, Chris, Dave,
>Bruce,
> >>>>>>>> and maybe Bob. (Did I miss anyone?) I would be willing to be
>the
> >>>>>>>> guinea pig on this. How do the rest of you feel? Bob, if we
>could
> >>>>>>>> bring the price down, at what price would you be a player?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What about people who want Pop Top Enclosures, or Battened IMF
>sails,
> >>>>>>>> or cockpit fill in cushions? Is there a price for these items
>that
> >>>>>>>> would prompt you to take money out of your pocket and put it on
>the
> >>>>>>>> table?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Look at Stan's options prices on his web site
> >>>>>>>> (http://www.rhodes22.com/super_options.html). Is there something
>you
> >>>>>>>> would actually buy if the price were lower? If so, what would
>the
> >>>>>>>> price have to be?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Brad is returning to the US shortly, and doesn't have much time
>to
> >>>>>>>> see if he can set up something like this. If you think this is a
> >>>>>>>> terrible idea, please speak up quickly so we all know where we
>stand.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I think this is an interesting idea if Brad can actually do it.
>It
> >>>>>>>> is something we can all do to put more money in Stan's pocket
>right
> >>>>>>>> away, while buying parts for our boats at a lower cost. It's a
> >>>>>>>> win-win...if Brad can pull it off.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please note. Brad is a commercial airline pilot who no longer
>owns a
> >>>>>>>> Rhodes 22. There is nothing in this deal for him. He will
>always
> >>>>>>>> make more money flying an airplane than getting involved in a
>crazy
> >>>>>>>> sailboat spare parts Chinese manufacturing scheme. He just
>happens
> >>>>>>>> to be in China right now, saw Stan's Lament, and asked if there
>was
> >>>>>>>> anything he could do to help.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bill Effros
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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