[Rhodes22-list] Fw: BBQ was] Anchors
Peter Thorn
pthorn at nc.rr.com
Wed Jun 22 22:55:12 EDT 2005
I don't know why, but my replys to Rhodes 22 list-serve e-mails lately have been going to the sender, not the list. Very strange.
PT
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Thorn
To: Bill Effros
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:28 PM
Subject: BBQ was] Anchors
Bill,
If it's been a few years, could that be Hurricane Floyd? As far as I recall, that's been the only inland flooding that could have effected Wilburs on Hwy 70. Last year our small boat Tanzer fleet and the Raleigh/Durham area Carolina Sailing Club attended the last Oriental Sailing Social (around the marks buoy racing). On the way home we ate at Wilburs and it was as good as ever. Behind the restaurant they burn Hickory wood and slow cook the pigs over the coals. Eastern NC is now one of the top pork producing areas, so I guess getting good fresh pigs is no problem. The sauce is vinegar based, spicy and tangy. The hush puppies are always hot and fresh and they make their own cole slaw too. Uhmmm, good! I think it would be worth your while to try them again if you're traveling through on I-95. It's far better than any BBQ restaurant around here.
PT
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Effros
To: Peter Thorn ; The Rhodes 22 mail list
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors
Peter,
I've been disappointed at Wilbers the last 2 times I've been there. They had a flood or something, and their kitchen fell apart. Is it better again?
Bill Effros
Peter Thorn wrote:
Bill,
I agree a 10# mushroom makes a great lunch hook. After reading your posts,
we used one with just a 3/8" line and a 5/16 quick link shackle on our long
Memorial Day weekend trip to Kerr Lake. Quick, easy, and it holds the same
in any direction (no resets for windshifts). In ten knots of breeze with a
Carolina red clay bottom it held just fine. Not sure I could trust it
overnight a breeze though.
I like you minimalist thinking. Use the right anchor for the job -- very
elegant.
PT
PS - What's happened to Wilbers? I'll grant you the decor is as bad as the
pit cooked barbeque is delicious. We usually stop there every trip to
Oriental, maybe once or twice a year.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchors
Bill,
Nobody is the expert. These are things we each try, and report back to
each other what works. Your experience with the Fortress validates my
experiences in less extreme situations, and I am grateful for your input.
This list went through a period of recommending bigger and bigger
multi-hundred dollar anchors that nobody ever used because they would
not fit on the boat and could not be disassembled.
Wally (I think it was) almost got hooted off the list when he said he
used a milk jug full of sand (or something like that) with an empty milk
jug as a buoy on the other end to mark his place and staked out good
moorings early in the day, sailed all day, then returned to his spot and
picked up his line. What did he have to lose? 2 empty milk jugs?
That seemed a much better solution to me! It worked. People don't
steal milk jugs full of sand. If you use this idea only to reserve a
good anchoring spot early in the day it's a good idea.
And so it goes.
People who say mushroom anchors don't have holding power don't know what
they are talking about. My boat is permanently anchored on a 300 lb.
mushroom anchor, as are all the other boats in the harbor. 2:1 scope at
a maximum. 32 foot maximum length. As noted in the hurricane
discussion, there are hundreds of boats and they never drag into each
other, even during hurricanes.
Last weekend I saw a big power boat grab my neighbor's mooring when the
tide was roughly 4 feet above low tide. He could barely get the eye of
the mooring line around his cleat. His scope was 1:1. After lunch he
couldn't remove the line from his cleat. It was pulling his bow into
the water with a force in excess of 300 pounds. He could have cut it,
but he wasn't likely to do so with me watching. He waited for low tide,
and maybe he learned something. (Probably not.)
A jug of sand is all you need for a lunch hook most of the time. A
vinyl covered mushroom anchor will do just fine if you want to get
fancy. A shaped anchor with hooks or plows can be lighter than a jug of
sand, provided you know how to set it properly. The same is true of
shaped mushroom anchors.
Multiple anchors are better than counting on a single anchor resetting.
Where I live you will always get a 180 degree current shift while you
are asleep.
This summer's project is devoted to finding out how little anchor you
really need. I already know you don't need chain--again, I think it was
Wally who first made this observation, and again to much derision. He
was the guy who actually anchored all the time. Everyone else was
reading magazines all winter. It should come as no surprise that he was
right. Try it.
When you are just playing, as I will be this summer, you can throw
anything into the water and see what works. If you drift, there is no
harm done, and you take care of it. But if you don't drift, and you
greatly simplify every aspect of anchoring, you will be much more likely
to anchor more often, and to know you are safely anchoring every time.
Bill Effros
William E. Wickman wrote:
Bill E.,
Sounds like you are fast becoming the anchor expert on the list. I've
got
two Fortress FX-7 anchors (I replaced the 13lb. danforth that I lost on
my
last trip with another FX-7 because I was so impressed with its
performance). I am looking at getting a grapnel but wonder what size, so
please let us know what works well with the Rhodes. Also, have you ever
used a mushroom type anchor with any success? I have heard that they
don't
have any holding power to speak of, but maybe they would be good as a
lunch
hook in calm waters with little current? What weight would you
recommend?
Bill W.
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Slim,
Rummy doesn't know me.
Of course I store anchors under the seat. (As well as on the bow and in
the Laz.)
I can get to the ones under the seat fastest.
I have a long line flaked in a Rubbermaid 11 gallon under the port
seat. The line has a snap shackle on the end. There is no chain on
this line. On top of the line are 3 anchors: a Fortress, in parts,
inside a nylon bag designed for the purpose; and 2 folding grapnels of
different weights--either 1 1/2 and 3 lbs. or 3 lbs. and 5 lbs. -- I'm
experimenting this summer.
I can snap on and deploy either of the grapnels in less than a minute.
The Fortress takes 3-5 minutes to assemble and deploy. I can teach crew
to assemble as we approach an anchoring spot.
The Rubbermaid is deployed toward the bow under the seat where it cannot
escape from under the seat without first being slid sternward. It never
escapes when heeling. The anchors cannot jump over the lip the
Rubbermaid and under the lip of the seat at the same time. There are no
exposed anchor tines.
I use these anchors most because they are most accessible. I anchor
>from the stern most of the time because I am lazy.
Bill Effros
R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
Slimmy,
I don't know of anyone who stores an anchor under the seat. If that
sucker
ever got loose, you'd punch a hole through the hull under the lee seat.
I
keep
a small mushroom anchor in a basket, along with the rode and a few
other
miscellaneous parts, next to the gas tank in the lazzerette.
I keep the anchor rode in a basket under the port seat. It rarely comes
out
by accident.
I have an unofficial way to tell how deep I am........I tell by the
knots
in
the rode..........and they weren't put there on porpoise.
You guys have to feel for me. I woke this morning to discover that the
heat
pump (A/C to all your northerners) took a dive overnight. It will be two
days
before the repair guy can come out and who knows how long before it's
repaired. 92 degrees is not nice without A/C. Guess I'll just have to
tough it out
and drink more cooling liquids.
Rummy
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